'Agatha All Along' Episode 4 & 5 Review

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Hello, I'm Noah and just like
Rio I'm covered in nipples and

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I'm joined with the only person
I trust to do the broom ritual

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with Derek.
We love switching brooms, What

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can we say?
Holding flying arm?

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None of that sounds good.
Yes, my broom partner, you

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didn't get episode 4 by itself,
but you're getting episode 4 and

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episode 5 together.
You're getting a double stack,

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You're getting a double helping,
double meat, stuffing more food

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and getting full.
Yeah, we're doing a double

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episode doubling.
Episodes in this one.

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We're doing Episode 4 and
Episode 5.

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We were had a little vacation.
We went to Disney, we got

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relaxed.
We had a lot of food.

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The International Food and Wine
Festival was happening.

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Oh.
I eat so many cheesy things.

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They're delicious.
Before we get into that, make

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That will make our brooms fly
very high, right?

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Yeah.
Witchy things.

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Yeah.
It will make our cauldrons

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bubble over.
That one's fun.

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I like that one.
Stick with the second one.

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You're like, not great.
Yeah, Patreon.

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We got a discord with a Agatha
coven spoiler chat.

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If you want to talk to people,
go go go right in there.

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All of it's down below major.
Major, major, major, major

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major.
Spoiler alert.

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Yes, we will be talking about
these two episodes, and we will

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also be talking about the thing
that happened at the end of the

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fifth episode.
Spoiler alert.

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As opposed to not talking about
the end of episode 4.

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Just know there's that thing,
all right?

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But let us officially take a
bite of Agatha All Along.

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Episode 4, If I Can't Reach You,
Let My Song Teach You, written

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by Giovanna Sarkis and Jack
Schaefer, and Episode 5, Darkest

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Hour, Wake Thy Power written by
Laura Monte and Jack Schaefer,

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both directed by Rachel
Goldberg.

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So Rio joins the coven on their
next two trials, where both

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Alice and Agatha have a mother
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Lilia, Jennifer and Alice grow
closer, Agatha and Rio's past

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pulls them together while
pushing them apart.

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And Teen may just be the
ultimate magical mama's boy.

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So episodes four and five, what
did you think?

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Oh wait.
What did I think?

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What did I think?
Great.

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How did you feel?
What did you think?

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Yeah, they were, they were good.
I I think I liked episode 4 a

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little more than episode 5.
My biggest critique, Episode 5

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way too short, 24 minutes.
Are you kidding me?

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What are we doing?
What are we doing?

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Way too short, especially with
that reveal.

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Anyway, really liked episode 4.
The thing that I'm really liking

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about these episodes and the
more we go on is that Agatha

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herself is going through a lot.
There's a lot of layers that are

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being pulled back.
Even though she's resisting a

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little bit.
There's moments that we get to

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see her be that leader that
she's so good at being but

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doesn't like to be.
So I'm liking seeing that a

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little bit.
Yeah, I, I think it's getting

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those Halloween vibes, is
getting that that fall feeling

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going.
So I'm very happy.

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Yeah, I agree with you that I
was I liked episode 4 more than

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I liked episode 5.
I think we liked I think we

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liked episode 4 more than
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less than episode 4 for similar
yet different reasons.

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I I personally think that there
was too much packed into such a

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short episode.
Episode 5.

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Episode 5, yeah.
And I just think that, like,

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some of the things felt a little
too rushed and were a little too

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confusing.
So that's my main critique.

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But still, both were incredibly
entertaining.

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I love this group of witches.
And now that Rio is part of the

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pack, well, that's even better.
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My God, I mean this whole time
I'm like I know Rio is supposed

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to be in the show post haste.
Please give me Rio back.

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I'm glad she came back in
episode 4.

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Her entrance was amazing.
It was very like coming out of a

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grave that like really cool,
like reverse but not reverse.

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Like bones cracking.
It's just so cool.

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It's creepy but also like she's
cool about it.

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Yeah, she's such a wild card for
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them.
I think that she's kind of

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always going through the
opposite of what everyone else

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is going through, but also
everyone finds her really sexy

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for some reason.
I mean, Patti Lupone calls her a

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spooky bitch.
I can't believe they said bitch

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on Disney.
That's so hilarious, and I love

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Patti Lupone even more than I
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She's really bringing Lilia to
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And I think that, you know, them
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is interesting 'cause they
summoned her, that's exactly who

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they summoned, right?
I yeah, I feel like, Did she

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bring Advil?
Well, no, no, I feel like she

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they could have been a little
better with their wants in a

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person.
But also did they have a choice

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really, right?
I don't think so.

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Yeah, I do think that they were
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things, especially Allison and
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Jennifer was like good to look
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Which I mean she.
Is and she wants her number,

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which is fine.
I love that part where she's

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like, I don't know if I should
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or something like that, like
hate her or want her number.

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And I'm like, yeah, I like this.
That's just the Rio Vidal energy

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that she gives up.
I love it.

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She she definitely was missed in
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So beginning of episode 4, we
get to we see Sharon laid to

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rest.
And I want to talk about this

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specifically real quick because
there was something that Agatha

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said and Tina was the only one
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And she says something like, I
didn't think you would do it or

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I didn't think you had it in you
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It's like, who is she talking
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And Sharon's the only one that
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So it's interesting.
I'm curious if like, is she

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talking to the road?
I think one thing I do want to

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like take back that I said in a
previous episode was like, I

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feel like Agatha hasn't been
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Like she's lying.
I she hasn't been here before,

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but that's because the road
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So that makes sense that she's
never been there before.

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So I take it back.
She's probably been to the road

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before.
It's just a different kind of

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Rd.
It's Agatha kind of keeps

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getting more and more perplexing
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And I feel like I can't really
pinpoint who Agatha is.

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It almost makes me feel like she
has like multiple personalities

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or something like that because
sometimes she's so caring and so

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worried about teen and what's
going on and other times she's

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she hates everyone.
She doesn't want to do it and

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then also trying to cheat.
She's trying to cheat, so it's

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just so confusing and it and it
feels like what is prompting her

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to have these very different
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It's like, who is Agatha?
Not to get like deep in the

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beginning of this pocket, like
10 minutes and to this podcast,

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if I'm going to like analyze it,
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And like think like, why is
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Because I think in one division
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figure out who this person is
that has all this power and take

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it, right?
I think as we're seeing more

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with her figuring out what
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this relationship between her
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Everything right?
I if I could just like, I guess

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assume or whatever in episode 5,
when she does see her mother and

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there's that part where she's
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much?
Like that is Agatha.

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That's I feel like that's
Agatha.

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That's not Agatha trying to like
put on anything.

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She's actually genuinely asking
her mother.

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And I feel like she acts this
way because she's constantly

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assumed to be this thing and
this bad person.

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And so her defense is to be that
person and to be like the person

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that's going to like, make us
not comment or be an asshole to

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you or take the upper hand or
lie or whatever it is.

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So it's interesting.
But then we get those glimpses

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of like how caring and nurturing
and a good leader she is.

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So it's like she's fighting
herself on what people are

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assuming that she is.
It's it's bizarre.

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But it's almost like she can't
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She can't help but be evil and
do things that are considered

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wrong.
It's almost like she did

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something wrong one time because
she didn't know and she was too

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young and she's always been that
person.

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And it's like she, that's like,
her defense mechanism is to like

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be an asshole, you know, I don't
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That's what I'm getting.
That's my vibe.

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Yeah, I know.
I, I, I, I think you're you.

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I think you have something there
for sure.

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It's just as a viewer trying to
figure out who this character

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really is.
Do you would you rather her

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learn more villain or do you
want her to have a redemption

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story like.
Well, I think it's hard because

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I think we love Katherine Hahn
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So we want her to have a
redemption story because we just

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kind of care about it in that
way.

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But in looking at all of her
actions, can she ever really

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redeem herself?
You know, as far as what we

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know, right, she killed her
mother, she killed her entire

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mother's coven.
She's eaten children.

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She's given up her own child for
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So it feels like are those
things you can really be

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redeemed from, you know, and I
and it also just makes me wonder

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the when you, when you are a
witch in this world, is there

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always some piece of you that's
evil or dark?

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Because even if we think of
Wanda, Wanda went down a dark

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Rd. in Wanda, Vision had a
redemption and then in Doctor

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Strange didn't have a
redemption.

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So it's almost like this magic
drives you to do things that

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would be considered evil, but
it's because you're doing it for

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what you think is the right
reason.

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Yeah, maybe.
I mean, I, I, I guess it would

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depend on what type of
witchcraft you would be, right,

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Because I mean, I don't see how
like Jen doesn't seem like she's

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outright evil, like she's
sarcastic and stuff, but I don't

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think like, you know what I
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So it's like she's like potions
or whatever that is.

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And like Lilia, it's like, I
mean, I don't, I don't know how

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she would be bad, but whatever.
Agatha is the ability.

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She did dabble in dark magic to
consume power from others.

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The dark hold those who have the
dark holding.

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I mean, we saw what happened to
Wanda when she dabbled with the

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dark hold.
She became that Wanda.

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Right.
So it's like for Agatha, because

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she has dabbled with the dark
hold, you know, there's just a

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seed of darkness in her maybe.
And so she's always fighting

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that.
Yeah, I think I personally, I, I

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like her being ambiguous and I
like not knowing which way she's

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going to go.
So I would be fine with that.

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I just not sure like, as a main
character of like a series, like

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how that's going to work.
So I think that's why having

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that, like, story with her son
and what happened with that is

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going to really like humanize
and like make us feel for her.

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But I think really by the end of
it, depending on what her

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actions are, is going to cement
like, do they want us to like

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her or do they want us to fear
her, right?

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Or do they want us to be like,
yeah, you can watch my kid, just

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not like, all the time?
Well, no, when she watches your

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kid, she locks them up in your
basement.

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So definitely don't want her to
watch your kid or she'll eat

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them.
Yeah.

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So going into Episode 4, what
did you think about the trial?

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What did you think about Alice's
trial?

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It was very 70s.
It was a jam sesh.

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Fleetwood Mackey.
Yeah, I loved it.

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I really liked that setting.
It was kind of fun in the sense

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that it was just one big round
romper room.

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And I I mean, the costuming is
amazing, the set design is

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incredible.
And I love sort of, I love

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seeing them embody these
different versions of

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themselves.
And in this one, you know, they

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were kind of just like feeling
the vibe.

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It was such a fun way to carry
over that magic from one

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division and then seeing these
people like when they see

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themselves in those outfits to
kind of like get into that.

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So much fun.
Especially these two 'cause

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they're very different.
It's like 1 is like very Rocky

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and 70s and Free Spirit and then
the next one is like 80s Crystal

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Lake kids at a slumber party.
So much fun.

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I really like this one.
I like that they keep bringing

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back the Ballad of the Witches
Rd. changing a little bit,

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getting that the thing of
knowing that Alice's mother won

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her coven was her fans
beautiful, beautiful way of

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thinking about it.
And also that the song was to

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protect Alice this entire time.
And I think Agatha says

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something of like, no matter
what, somebody out there is

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playing that song that you hate
so much but is protecting you

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and has kept you alive.
For Alice to, like, realize all

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the things that she's hated
about her mom were like, angry

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about.
It was all to help her.

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Oh, gut punch.
Yeah, it's, it's one of those

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things of like, you never truly
know what's behind someone's

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actions.
And that her mother knew that

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she couldn't save herself, but
she put all of herself into

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saving her daughter.
And like, and she realized that

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the curse was real.
She was like, oh, it's, it's a

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real thing.
Like I can see it and I can kill

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it.
But she was like, I just thought

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like, I'm the jobs just went to
shit, blah, blah, blah.

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Everything I touch just doesn't
work out.

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And it's like, it's because of
that curse.

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It wasn't because of her is
because of that curse.

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Yeah, the curse is real when it
starts burning Talon marks into

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your coven, you know?
So I think it's time to be like,

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Oh yeah, maybe it wasn't fake
this entire time.

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Not Patti Lupone.
Not.

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Patti Lupone writhing on the
floor.

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You.
Can't do that.

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How dare you?
I would have been Jen and be

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like, I'm not gonna.
Stay in this circle, man.

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Leaving the circle, we need to
talk about Patti Lupone.

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We need to talk about Lilia for
a second because in episode 4 is

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particularly so funny.
Yes I love the fact that Lilia

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is really a comedic character
but not in a way of her being a

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fool.
She's just has like these one

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liners and the delivery
obviously by Patti Lupone is

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perfect.
It's really showing that like

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such a seasoned performer,
actor, entertainer,

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award-winning person could have
so much fun and also bring so

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much to a new role.
You know, even just something as

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simple.
I'm sure everybody has seen it

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by now, but the Super cut of any
time it cut to her during the

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jam session, she had different
instruments like what?

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So good.
I think, I can't remember which

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one it was, but it was like the
triangle.

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And she was just like, yeah,
what am I doing?

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Yeah.
It's so funny, but really smart

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to have this, this trial for
Alice B.

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You have to play the song that
you've hated so much.

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And also it sounds so good.
Banishing a demon by just

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belting out your mother's song.
Beautiful.

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So good.
Really, really good.

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Now the question is one of the
questions is, you know, while

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they're rocking out and well,
actually right before it, the

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demon throws teen through the
plate glass window and Teen is

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almost dying.
And so it's like, what's the

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what do you think the
significance of that is?

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I have so OK, we all, we all
know the review of teen, right?

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We, we told Derek and I had a
conversation before recording

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this and not bringing up the
reveal of teen in the beginning,

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right?
Because that's like what we're

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getting to with this episode, so
we know the reveal.

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We're using lots of
self-control, lots of

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self-control.
So we're getting there.

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We still have gay tension to
talk about.

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It's our lives.
But just looking back with teen

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particularly I'm there's a lot
happening in this that I'm not

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trusting, especially with this
is the people that worked on

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wand division.
We got the Agatha all along

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reveal the rug can be pulled out
from underneath us.

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We're going to get fistoed in
this and in some degree right

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teen getting thrown is
interesting.

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Did somebody throw teen?
Why would the demon that clearly

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sits on you because Alice
whenever the demon was released

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with the record playing
backwards, she was like does

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anybody feel lighter?
The demon the curse left her

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right.
So why would the demon throw him

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to get him away from everybody
else it's it's very interesting.

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I don't know why that would
happen.

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And also he's the one that
usually finds the clues in the

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trial.
I don't know.

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There's something I don't trust,
Yateen.

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It's, you know what it is for
me, it's it just feels like he,

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he already knows the game.
It's like he's played this game

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before.
He's like already gone through

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the escape room and is just
like.

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Exactly.
Oh guys, one of the combination

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codes is under the Candlestick.
Exactly.

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So they're always spinning like
wild little tops.

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And he's always like letting
them go.

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And then he wrangles them in and
he's like, OK, here's the thing

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we have to do.
So it just feels like it's like,

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is he the one planning this
entire thing?

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It does give that vibe, right?
OK, so I think going into Rio,

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going to the Tina of all, going
to the Agatha, but all and

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stuff, I think The thing is that
we need to like, I guess, zoom

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out, right, theory corner.
We're in theory corner.

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One of the prevailing theories
is that Rio is death, right?

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Which the more and more you
think about it, the more it's

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like, I could see that the Ouija
board, when they said death, she

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laughed.
They keep calling her a, what is

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it, a tourist, a creepy lurker
and stuff like that.

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It's like she's not really part
of it, but she is, Yeah.

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And like, anytime there's some
danger, well, not anytime, but a

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few times, Agatha just looks at
her and goes no, almost like,

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don't take this person now.
Well, and that, OK, so let's

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let's talk about that
specifically because I feel like

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once I heard these theories of
her being death, I was like,

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that's interesting.
And Marvel Death is like

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personified as like a woman,
right?

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Then I've fell in love with her,
blah, blah, blah, all that

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stuff.
If she is death, that scene in

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particular kind of sold me on
it.

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So when at the end of the trial,
when teen gets stabbed by that

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huge Shard of glass that like he
played through a whole song like

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Jesus Christ and he's dying, she
Agatha looks at Rio and is like

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don't.
And it makes me think like,

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don't take him right, Totally.
Like you would be telling death

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that like don't.
It's so particular and like

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specific.
Yeah, and that's and, and it

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kind of Harkins back to
Harkness, that scene of them in

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the recording booth when she
says something like, I'm getting

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like antsy or I'm getting.
I want to cause some.

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I want to cause some damage and
for death she needs to kill

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people.
I mean, so is this OK again,

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this is wild, right?
And she also does, I think

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Agatha in the same episode when
she when she appears behind her

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and she's like Boo and she's
like not yet or something.

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It's it's very weird.
Like Agatha knows Rio's deal and

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why she's there.
And also we learn in episode 5

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that Rio hates ghosts, and a
ghost is a spirit that can't

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crossover because it has
unfinished business.

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So for death, that's like a
failure.

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What if?
OK, again, we're doing a lot of

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what UPS here.
What if at the end of the trial,

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because I think it was asked in
this episode, maybe one before

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whatever the them on the road
kind of gets a little fuzzy.

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They asked how many witches like
left with Agatha and she said

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one, just one.
So I'm curious if that witch is

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Rio could be could not be.
But also at the end of the

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trial, if you're all there, your
whole coven, whoever, whatever

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it is, either can get everybody
back or get the thing that you

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want.
You know, I feel like a trial

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would do that.
Like the final one would be

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like, are you going to leave all
your friends behind, right, your

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coven, or are you going to get
the thing that you came here

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for, right?
That's what I feel like could

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happen.
I don't know.

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And Rio is just kind of there,
like reaping all of the souls

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that happen.
Yeah, we also have another.

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Oh my gosh, so confusing.
We have another scene in episode

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4.
It's actually the end of Episode

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4 where Rio tells Agatha that
teen is not her boy.

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Yes.
Yeah.

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And so did Agatha have some
hope?

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I think so.
There is in this episode.

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Again, this is like layers,
right?

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Being pulled back from Agatha,
she put her fabulous purple

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cloak, jacket, whatever it is
overteen when he was healing

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when he woke up, it was on her
and she was sitting there

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watching him.
So it's very much like somebody

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that cares.
It's that motherly instinct or

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that parental instinct, right.
I think she did hope in some way

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somehow this was her son.
But for Rio to be like, it's

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it's not your son.
Either she didn't believe her

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fully or that might have like
kind of put a like a kink in her

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armor.
Is that what it's called kink in

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her armor?
So I I'm not too sure.

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I mean, I think we can believe
Rio.

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Yeah, ish now, right?
And I think that we also need to

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talk a little bit about Rio and
Agatha's relationship.

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What is it?
Well, it was.

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Fucking Kiss already.
And so that scene I never before

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in a show aside from a heart
stopper, have I been like Kiss,

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kiss.
You do not go up behind somebody

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and like play with their hair
like that and also like lean

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into it and not.
Kiss.

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Well, that's the thing, is that
what is stopping them?

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Their past is stopping them.
It seems there's some, there's

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some trauma there.
We have to unpack the trauma.

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Who is the Celestial therapist
in Marvel?

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I don't know.
They need one.

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They all need they all.
Need the therapist because

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there's there's just so much
past there.

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And in that scene when they are
sitting around the campfire and

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talking about their scars, Rio
alludes to something that she

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had to do something to someone
she loves because it's her job.

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And so to me, you know, in
trying to decode that, it seems

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like maybe she had something to
do with taking Nicholas Scratch

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from Agatha.
It's really interesting, right?

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Because it's like we know
Nicholas Scratch is the thing

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because they're telling us we
have yet to see anything beside

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from like a fake room with like
baseball memorabilia and stuff

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like that, that has his name.
And then within episode 5 of

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teen saying Nicholas Scratch and
her having that reaction.

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So it's, it's really, it's
interesting that we haven't

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gotten much on that.
I'm thankful, but it's really I,

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I need to know.
I need to know what that

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relationship is because that
does suck for Rio having to do

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something she didn't want to.
And I'm curious if it was one of

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those things where like Nicholas
Scratch was like dying of

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natural causes or something and
Agatha knowing Rio had to take

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him and then that's what caused
the riff.

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That's what I'm hoping, right?
That's like the the cute version

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where neither of them wanted it
to happen but without power

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being gained.
I'm not sure.

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I don't know, I just know that
they really want to fuck each

450
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,080
other and I want it so bad.
Well, that's the interesting

451
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,160
thing is that there's still so
much tension there.

452
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,760
And I think one of the other
interesting things about them is

453
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:29,280
that they share those little,
little connections that people

454
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,120
in long term relationships have
of.

455
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,680
That talking without talking.
Exactly, just with the look,

456
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,960
knowing what the other person's
thinking.

457
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:40,480
And even in episode 5, Rio being
so defensive of Agatha when it

458
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,240
comes to her mother.
Because in any good

459
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,200
relationship, you talk to each
other about the things that have

460
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,440
affected you in your life,
right?

461
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,200
So Agatha has probably told her
tons about her mother and what

462
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,160
it felt like to be not loved and
not wanted.

463
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,920
And so Rio is not willing, even
though Rio is death.

464
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,480
Maybe if that's the case, right?
She's still not willing to give

465
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,080
Agatha over to a ghost.
Right.

466
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,160
Or she hates ghosts, Right?
Which would make sense.

467
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:07,840
Yeah.
Yeah.

468
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,440
It's, it's really interesting.
I I love, I love the acting that

469
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,720
they're doing in this,
particularly Katherine Hahn.

470
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,480
I feel like her minute, just
tiny facial expression changes

471
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,200
are so good.
She says so much with how she's

472
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,280
acting.
I love that she like kind of

473
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,160
amps up the the flair and the
showmanship of like whipping and

474
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,160
flipping her Cape any chance she
gets.

475
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,960
But then sometimes she'll give
that look and it's just like,

476
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,920
I'm terrified.
And then I also feel sorry for

477
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,200
you.
It's just, it's really, really

478
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,560
good.
And it's not really until

479
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,920
episode 5, like the the small
little moments between Agatha

480
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,720
and Rio.
I'm like, this is really cute.

481
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,960
Like please just kiss.
Like, let's get this over with.

482
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,880
And then episode 5 you're like,
Oh, I can see that Rio does

483
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,280
really care for her.
And it's not just like a

484
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,680
physical or sexual attraction
type thing, right?

485
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,400
I'm just, I'm waiting to see
like what that story is.

486
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,600
We are going to get a flashback
we have.

487
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,600
To.
I hope so.

488
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,320
There's too much for them to
just sit around a campfire and

489
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,080
tell us, yeah, we need to see
it.

490
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,040
They've given us far too many
bread crumbs to not lead us to a

491
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,680
very specific place of knowing
what the hell actually happened

492
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,600
with them.
Right, right, so episode 4,

493
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:22,320
anything else before we move on
to episode 5, 'cause we got

494
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,320
Sharon Davis.
RIP.

495
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,840
We don't know what happens to
non witches or even if you die

496
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,600
on the road.
Did you stay?

497
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,280
Do you go well?
She's buried or is she?

498
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,120
Because did Rio take her body
over?

499
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:36,760
I don't know how it works.
She Rio did come up from a

500
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,240
grave.
So I don't I don't know how that

501
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:39,760
works.
Yeah.

502
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,960
Yeah, we got Rio back.
The trial was amazing.

503
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,440
Satanic panic playing that
record backwards.

504
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,400
Great.
OK, reveal, kids, not yours.

505
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,040
Episode 5.
Episode 5.

506
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,280
Here we go episode 5 S again.
In episode 5, we have the

507
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,480
appearance of the Salem 7.
Yes, I loved that beginning Oh

508
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,720
that was so cool.
It gave me like feeling of good

509
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,960
American Horror Story opening
right.

510
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,920
I just needed that like that
thing, not a transformer, the

511
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,160
opening it did sound a.
Little bit like a transformer.

512
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,720
That's a good talent.
Thank you.

513
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,760
Not a talent I want.
I want something else.

514
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,360
Yes, I loved.
I want more of them.

515
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,080
It's like, can you speak?
Are you, are you allowed to

516
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,800
talk?
Yeah, well, and I just it, it's

517
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,160
very cool to see them.
I mean, I feel like they got

518
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,960
dancers or, or Acrobat, I think
they did, or gymnasts to play

519
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,080
these roles because they're
doing like body contortions.

520
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,800
They're really taking on the
spirit of the animal that they

521
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,400
are, you know, and so I I just
think that they're so cool as a

522
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,400
set.
I love them.

523
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,680
And even that one cicada which
explodes into like thousands of

524
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,520
them, that was so.
Cool, love it.

525
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,840
I loved that it made them have
to get on brooms.

526
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,600
I just love the whole thing of
just seeing how each one of

527
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,840
them, the thought of like having
to I guess imbuild the broom

528
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,480
with power and then give it to
somebody.

529
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,840
Like when team was like, oh, I
get one too, and Alice was like,

530
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,840
as long as you give me one too.
I love that because we're

531
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,320
getting these things of like the
covenant witches where it's not

532
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,760
isolated.
You have to do things with your

533
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,240
coven.
You need the give and take.

534
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,680
There's power in that.
Yeah, and you need that unity.

535
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,320
So I love seeing that, but I
also like seeing how they

536
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,120
decorated the one for the other.
So like, you know, what is it?

537
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:36,960
Jen gets this one with like kind
of handles and it's like very

538
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,120
pretty and it fits Jen and then
Lilia doesn't really.

539
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,000
She got a stick.
She just got a plain old stick.

540
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,680
I love that Patti Lu Pone.
I'm calling her Patti Lu Pone

541
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,320
was like, you could have done
better.

542
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,880
If I could do this in the amount
of time you could have done

543
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,280
better.
I I also think it's interesting

544
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:04,040
how again teen is the one that
suggested them going on booms,

545
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,080
right?
It's like.

546
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,560
They keep finding the clues.
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it is.

547
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,320
And like, part of me is like,
OK, the road changes with the

548
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,480
coven, right?
So no witch will go on the same

549
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,400
road again.
It's interesting that he just is

550
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,160
a little comfortable now.
Rio definitely seems like she's

551
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,000
not scared.
She's having the time of her

552
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,040
life.
She's joking around.

553
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,880
She's.
Cackling.

554
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,720
Right.
She's like, I'm fine, I'm not

555
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,880
gonna die.
Tina's interesting.

556
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,080
Like he has gotten hurt, but
he's been saved.

557
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,880
He just always has the answer.
It's just interesting that he's

558
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,120
he's on this road with some some
of these witches who have been

559
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,640
around for centuries and he
always thinks of the solution

560
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,280
before they.
Do I'm I don't want to think

561
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,440
that it's like plot armor
because like we know, like plot

562
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,280
armor is like because of who
they are, they're not going to

563
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,840
die or nothing's going to happen
to them.

564
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,160
And I'm curious, and this is
just putting this out there

565
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,160
because like story reasons.
I'm curious if they gave him

566
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:06,320
that role for him to be useful.
You know what I mean?

567
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,680
Like maybe it's not because he
actually planned something or is

568
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,200
behind some of it which the end
reveal who I have a thought

569
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,360
about that, but maybe it's just
because it's like we need him to

570
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,080
do something.
So like the kid is going to be

571
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,160
excited and more observant.
I don't know.

572
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,960
It feels like, right.
They're all on the road for a

573
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,480
reason.
Most of them is to get their

574
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,440
powers back.
But what is Teen's reason for

575
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,080
being on the road?
And is it that at the end of the

576
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,560
road, maybe someone's there,
Maybe he can get someone back.

577
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,040
Yeah.
And that's his deal.

578
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,760
Yeah.
I mean, OK, let's let's get to

579
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,800
the house before we talk about
the reveal, right?

580
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,280
We're almost there guys.
We will talk about the reveal.

581
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,040
The reveal will be revealed in
due time.

582
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,360
Loved, Oh my God, loved so much.
The broom scene across the moon.

583
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,800
It was amazing.
That look, that one, when they

584
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,720
were imbuing their brooms, I
don't know what you call it, the

585
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,440
ritual.
Agatha and Rio just fucking kiss

586
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,320
again already.
Like the way they looked at each

587
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,160
other and they're like, oh OK,
give me the broom.

588
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200
And her looking over at her when
they're flying in the sky and

589
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,360
Rio being like.
Brooms are very sexy.

590
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,000
They can be.
That's what this has shown me.

591
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,120
I'm just like Kiss, but man, the
road making them go back to the

592
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,600
ground, So fucking cool, right?
So cool.

593
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,040
That made so much sense.
It's like you can't get off the

594
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,640
road by trying to fly away.
The road will always bring you

595
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,320
back to it.
It's just like in the last one

596
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,760
when Alice didn't want to go to
the house because she clearly

597
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,560
recognized it, it appeared in
front of her again.

598
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,880
It's like you're not going to be
able to escape this, which I

599
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,680
think she said in that one, it's
like you can't go back.

600
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,960
You have to go forward.
So we actually clearly saw that.

601
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,960
I loved the setting for this.
This is like, oh, I was waiting

602
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,560
for it so bad.
Ever since the trailer, I am

603
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,520
bummed.
It was really short and a

604
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,680
little, I do agree with you, is
a little confusing, maybe

605
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,680
because it was so short.
All the other trials we kind of

606
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,000
got comfortable in the space
that were they were in.

607
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,800
In this one, it was like
immediate and then like people

608
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,280
were like pretending and weren't
pretending.

609
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,160
And then there was ghosts and
then people died and it was

610
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,000
like, Oh my God, a lot had
happened.

611
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,880
But I just love the setting.
I I love that Evil dead feeling

612
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,560
that kids at a slumber party
doing things they shouldn't be

613
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,240
doing.
Very much up my alley.

614
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,400
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, again, just like in the

615
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,000
last episode and all the
episodes prior to this, the

616
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,680
costumes are great, the
settings, the sets are

617
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,440
fantastic.
But yeah, I, I I'm just so

618
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,480
discombobulated by this whole
middle chunk of this episode

619
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,240
because I just didn't know what
they were trying to do with it.

620
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,800
Right?
So it's supposed to be, well, we

621
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,560
think it's Agatha's.
Trial, Rio said.

622
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,720
It right, Rio said.
It Lilia kind of agrees and they

623
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,160
have to play with the Ouija
board and then it's like they're

624
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,680
sent a message that they have to
punish Agatha and then her

625
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,360
mother's ghost comes out of
nowhere and then goes inside her

626
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,000
body and then comes out of her
body.

627
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,920
And then, I don't know, it was
just like, and then of course

628
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,160
she's pretending first.
And so it's just very confusing.

629
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,400
And then at the end, another
ghost comes through on the Ouija

630
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,680
board.
So who was really the ghost?

631
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,640
You know what I mean?
It's just all very, it was, it

632
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,480
was a lot.
And I'm just like, what was the

633
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,760
point of this?
I don't know.

634
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,440
I know I I don't expect you to
have the answer.

635
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,040
That's just a a question for
Marvel.

636
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,840
Yeah, I'm Jack Schafer.
I think, I mean one of the

637
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,000
things I had thought of like
were they wrong?

638
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,360
Was it really Teen's trial and
not Agatha's trial because Teen

639
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,280
was the one that ultimately
figured it out.

640
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,000
Most of the other trials, the
person that's trial it is

641
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320
ultimately stops it from
happening.

642
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,200
So it was interesting that if
this was Agatha's trial, why did

643
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,960
Teen stop it?
He found the answer to stop it.

644
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,920
I'm not sure.
Was stop, I mean ultimately was

645
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,239
stopping it punishing Agatha and
by hearing her child's voice,

646
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,480
that was punishment enough?
Maybe, but at the same time.

647
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,520
What was all the mom stuff?
Why?

648
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,560
I don't know, I just think it
was a way to remind us of like

649
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:24,880
her relationship with her
mother.

650
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,520
Because I mean, I, I will say a
lot of this show is a lot about

651
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,159
where we've come from and the
bloodline and everything like

652
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:34,440
that.
So it does make sense that her

653
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,880
mother was in this in some way.
I will say I think the only

654
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,600
reason why her mother appeared
is because she's the one that

655
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,800
took her hand off the plant
shut.

656
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,840
Nobody else did.
And so by doing that, I could

657
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,400
see like that person's worst
enemy or the thing that they are

658
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,080
scared of the most or whatever
coming back.

659
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,600
So like, maybe if Lilia did it,
maybe whoever in her life

660
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,760
betrayed her or whatever that
would hurt her the most came

661
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,280
back, you know?
So that's, that's what I'm

662
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,160
thinking.
I think that I'll, I'll go with

663
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,960
that.
Because like, what if they did

664
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,320
keep their hands on the Ouija
board enough and then it was

665
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,680
like Punisher, Punisher and
stuff.

666
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,400
And then it was like Nicholas
Scratch, like signed Nicholas

667
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,880
Scratch, you know what I mean?
So it's like maybe the trial

668
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,440
continued or evolved the way it
did because she did what she

669
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,280
wasn't supposed to do.
The rules clearly said keep your

670
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,840
hands on the planchette, don't
take them off.

671
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,840
Right, right.
So that's, that's my thinking.

672
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,680
That's what I got from it.
So.

673
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,360
OK, that's fair.
I did like seeing her mother

674
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,760
though.
Again, that was nice.

675
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,000
I mean not nice, but like.
I love seeing her get tortured.

676
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:49,680
I mean, I will say her having a
spirit inside her, that was

677
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,560
really fun.
You know, that's that really

678
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,440
funny part from the trailer and
everything.

679
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,360
But I wish there was more
because like, that was the funny

680
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,920
part, right?
You're getting having Jen being

681
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,880
like she's faking it and Lily
being like she's not faking.

682
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,720
Yeah, I don't know.
I just again, it's this thing of

683
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,680
it was a shorter episode and it
feel felt like there was a lot

684
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,600
of wasted time.
Yeah, it's like they use their

685
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,520
time, but like, didn't give us
time to like, I don't know,

686
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,120
understand or like really feel
all the stuff that was happening

687
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,880
because like, when Alice died
but then died, I was just like,

688
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,120
that's weird.
Like really like Alice died.

689
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,960
Like, is this what that like
just after her trial and like

690
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,680
her reconciling with her mother,
they're going to kill her.

691
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:41,680
That doesn't.
That doesn't seem right.

692
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,920
Yeah, and it's, and it's weird
in the sense of like, well, I

693
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,240
don't know.
I was thinking like, oh, well,

694
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,440
they're all going to die.
But it's like Jen didn't die

695
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,760
even though her trial happened
already.

696
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,160
Maybe she will die still, I
don't know.

697
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,840
And also the question is, is why
did Agatha take her power?

698
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,560
Yeah, I so because.
She says I didn't mean to.

699
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,720
I couldn't help it.
I don't trust her for a second.

700
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:08,240
And this is this is where it's
like, This is why I like Agatha

701
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:12,960
because you never know what
Agatha you're going to get re

702
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,360
watching it a second time.
I was like, oh, maybe she was

703
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,360
still possessed when she took
her power, but you can clearly

704
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,840
see her mother being banished
from her body and then Agatha

705
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,360
being like, oh, there's power.
Let me grab it.

706
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:31,480
Now granted, like we don't know
what dark arts Agatha really

707
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,320
dabbled in.
So maybe we saw what happened

708
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,160
with Wanda with the dark hold.
I hate using that as an excuse,

709
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,000
but like, maybe whatever she
dabbled in, it's like a drug,

710
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,920
right?
Like she can't help, like she

711
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,440
can't control taking that power
when it's being thrown onto her.

712
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,960
Right.
But did she control it?

713
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,400
Did she not?
I don't know.

714
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,200
Because the way she acts, right,
it's like she seemed remorseful

715
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,160
when Teen confronted her, but
then when pushed enough, she

716
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,640
would just like, meh, whatever.
Yeah, that's like, were you

717
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,800
playing?
That's the Agatha thing of

718
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:09,640
trying to go for innocence
first, and then it works, right?

719
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,560
And if it doesn't work, then she
turns to evil, you know?

720
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,880
And then she taunts him.
Before we move on, 'cause I.

721
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,400
Feel like we're so close.
I know before we have to talk

722
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,760
about Rio and Agatha in this
particular scene because how

723
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,000
much Rio didn't want one to
leave Agatha 'cause it was like,

724
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,560
punish Agatha, leave her there.
That sucks, right?

725
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,120
Imagine being left with your
dead mother.

726
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,320
To torture you for all of
eternity.

727
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,360
On the witch's road.
No thanks.

728
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,600
But Rio very much seems like
that person that was protecting,

729
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,600
right?
And it was like, no, you can't

730
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,120
have her.
You're absolutely not going to

731
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,120
do this.
And it was like she didn't want

732
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,560
her mother to talk to her and to
tell her I should have gotten

733
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,120
rid of you as soon as you came
out of me.

734
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,480
That sucks.
Yeah, that's fucked up.

735
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:59,880
It was like you were born evil,
which is so terrible to think

736
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,240
about.
I feel bad for her, I really do,

737
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,800
because it's like one of those
things was like, is this what

738
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,440
Agatha thinks that she's
supposed to be?

739
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,000
Because everybody has told her
that and so she doesn't know how

740
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,920
to be.
So she's going to be the thing

741
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,480
that everybody says she is.
She just wants to be loved,

742
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,040
maybe, but nobody has loved her.
Except for death.

743
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,560
Because she's been evil.
All right, the reveal or the

744
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,000
reveal finally, I mean like
we're like 40 ish minutes in

745
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,920
the.
Reveal of sludge, sludge slurp

746
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,040
and witches.
It did.

747
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,080
I'm sorry when it when when the
sludge slurped Agatha, it farted

748
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,720
at the end.
You can't deny that.

749
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,440
It did.
It was cute.

750
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,600
We know she's not dead, right?
I thought I did think it was a

751
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,760
little silly.
So the reveal of teen, most

752
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,520
likely.
I'm 90% sure he's Wiccan, right?

753
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,600
We got the reveal of him having
power, having a crown that's

754
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,640
just like his mother.
That scene with Agatha and Teen,

755
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,160
so good, so good.
So here's the conversation we

756
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,960
have to have now, right One, how
do you feel about Joe Locke

757
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,640
potentially, most certainly,
probably being Wiccan, being one

758
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,400
of the most prominent queer
characters in Marvel, finally

759
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,680
getting live action?
Let me tell you a story.

760
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,360
It goes like this.
Joe Locke is our queer king and

761
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,560
we shall all bow down to him and
he can play whatever queer role

762
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,440
he wants.
To yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

763
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,360
I mean, the, The thing is, is
that I, I don't know, why

764
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,200
wouldn't he be a good choice to
be wicked?

765
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,120
You know, maybe I'm not familiar
enough with the character, but

766
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,480
he's got black curly hair.
He can do an American accent.

767
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,040
He's gay, gay, gay.
So what's the problem everyone?

768
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,040
Yeah, I mean, I do.
I think there is some, I mean

769
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,480
not to get into like the casting
it all and everything like that,

770
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,640
but I do think there there is
some like criticism that is

771
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,600
warranted to listen to about,
you know, erasing the Jewish

772
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,280
heritage and stuff like that.
And that does tend to happen to

773
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,520
Marfola.
I will give them that big like

774
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,160
downgrade of like a lot of your
Jewish characters.

775
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,280
You didn't cash Jewish people or
like Wanda Romani and stuff like

776
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,760
that.
So it's like, I get it.

777
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,280
I get that criticism.
One of the things that I have

778
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,840
seen is like them the synergy
cause a lot of times what

779
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,400
happens in the MCU bleeds into
the comics or they'll like

780
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,720
change things.
And a lot of people are, are

781
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:32,080
seeing that instead of Billy
Maximoff and like the wiki pages

782
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,600
and stuff, it's like Billy
Kaplan.

783
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,720
And so like they're kind of
changing it to that, which I

784
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,560
don't believe they're going to
stick like that.

785
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,800
But going into the the show,
right.

786
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,960
Do you think because Agatha was
like, you're just like your

787
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,640
mother, like she Lane put it out
there like you are Wanda's kid,

788
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,920
Assuming she's talking about
Wanda, do you think that the

789
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,760
sigil broke at that moment?
Because once it's not needed,

790
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,320
the sigil's done.
So if it was to stop Agatha

791
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,480
particularly or which kind of
knowing who he is and she

792
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,280
figured it out, do you think
that's the sigil's done?

793
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,880
Well, it's interesting though,
because no one said his name.

794
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,040
Right, right.
She clearly figured it out.

795
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,200
Like she's like, I know who your
mother is, so I know who you

796
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,200
are.
Yeah, it almost just seems like,

797
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,920
I don't know if it's a sigil
thing personally.

798
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,320
I just think that he was hiding
who he was.

799
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,960
You.
Know so I I thought that but

800
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,440
Agatha the witches said with the
sigil that it works on the witch

801
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:40,400
that cast it as well.
So is there a chance that Billy,

802
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,440
if this is Billy, cast it on
himself and so he didn't know

803
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,040
until it was broken?
Well, it almost.

804
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,080
Well what if he cast it on his
himself because he knew he had

805
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,360
to hide his identity so he
couldn't even take the chance of

806
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,680
himself slipping up?
I mean, that makes sense.

807
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:01,280
Right.
Like that's the feeling I got

808
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,120
because there was something in
this episode that I was like,

809
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,480
this is off.
Like there could be a part, an

810
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,840
episode where it shows you like
kind of goes back to some of the

811
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,800
trials and like if Teen was
orchestrating some of this, it

812
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,080
would like go back and show like
teen in the background, like

813
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,720
doing something like, you know,
like those kind of things that

814
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,160
they do in shows where it's like
really this was happening.

815
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,000
Something in this episode did
feel a little off to me.

816
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,120
I was like, this is weird
because why would then he get

817
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,400
rid of the witches, the other
witches, Like he controlled

818
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,000
Lilia and Jen and then got rid
of them as well.

819
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,000
It's interesting.
I don't know why he would do

820
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,320
that.
Like he needs help on the road.

821
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,680
Maybe he doesn't though.
Yes, he does.

822
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,200
That's the thing.
I mean, he's obviously

823
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,800
incredibly powerful.
He's obviously super

824
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,480
intelligent.
Just like his mother controlling

825
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,800
people so.
What he needed was a coven to

826
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,440
sing the song to get him down
there.

827
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,880
That's all he needed.
And then the sigil broke.

828
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,240
And then he.
And now he's got blue powers.

829
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:02,120
Do you think I mean?
Side note though, Rio nowhere to

830
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,560
be found.
She's she, she's still with

831
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,680
Alice.
So I'm hoping because if you

832
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,640
look back at some of the
trailers and stuff like that

833
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,520
again, I don't know if this is a
spoiler or not.

834
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,640
There is a few scenes that we
haven't seen with Alice yet that

835
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,800
still have to come again.
They could be flashbacks.

836
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,040
I don't think they killed Alice
personally, but if we're going

837
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:28,920
with the theory that she's deaf,
maybe Rio does show some mercy

838
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,360
and brings her back to life.
Because if she does love Agatha,

839
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,440
maybe she doesn't want the coven
to completely hate her.

840
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:38,880
I don't know why she would do
that.

841
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:39,440
I don't know.
I.

842
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,760
Also, well, I feel like.
Mercy's overrated, is what

843
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,800
Agatha said.
So.

844
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,280
Because she kept those kids
alive and then they came back as

845
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,280
the sale of seven so.
As anamorphs.

846
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,240
Yes, I'm even better.
I mean, is there also something

847
00:44:55,240 --> 00:45:01,320
to be said of maybe Rio and Teen
are working together in some

848
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,160
way?
That's.

849
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,960
Weird and right?
I think we had a conversation

850
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,360
about this in the 1st or the
second episode where we were

851
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,520
like why what Didn't Teen do
anything while Rio and Agatha

852
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,800
were beating the shit out of
each other in the kitchen?

853
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,800
Right.
It's because he knew what was

854
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,120
going to happen.
Yeah, there is.

855
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,080
There is something weird going
on because it's like when Rio

856
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,000
was first introduced, she
definitely seemed like an

857
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,240
antagonist, right?
And then I was like, oh, there's

858
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,080
some history there.
And like, she's like, licking

859
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,640
her hand.
And this is like, really sexy.

860
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,240
But also like, are you going to
kill her?

861
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,880
And now the more that they're on
the road together, the more

862
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,920
she's like, I don't know,
protective of Agatha and not

863
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,320
necessarily wanting to kill her.
So because there's that whole

864
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,240
thing of like, I'm supposed to
kill you.

865
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,840
So was Agatha supposed to die at
some point?

866
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,240
And she's just been evading her
ever since.

867
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,680
I don't know.
I mean, we also have to.

868
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,920
Theories.
Right.

869
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,920
I mean, I don't like kind of
like you said before, like don't

870
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:08,400
forget that that that thing of
in a show when like this is what

871
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,160
was really going on.
That literally happened in one,

872
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,680
one division.
It was called Agatha all along.

873
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,040
And so this could very much be
Billy all along, yeah.

874
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,320
I hope they don't do that
because it's like the same

875
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,640
people doing the same thing
again.

876
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,160
It's like you already have like
the homage to one division of

877
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,120
each trial being a different
thing, right?

878
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,400
I hope they don't do that, but I
have a feeling that the reveals

879
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,120
aren't close to being over.
Yeah, I mean, there's also a

880
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,080
part of me, a theory that I have
about the witches wrote as a

881
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,400
whole, is that it's actually
purgatory in some way.

882
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,960
So you're halfway between life
and death.

883
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,400
And so by the end of it, it's
when either you survive and you

884
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,720
live or you die and you die
there.

885
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:53,080
And so I maybe there's something
to be said of the fact or, or a

886
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:58,960
question of like, you know, is
teen really just a different

887
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,600
version of Wiccan from another
time?

888
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,160
That's you know.
I mean, yeah.

889
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,640
And the comics, the Children's
Crusade, all that stuff, it's

890
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,480
very confusing and it's a lot,
right?

891
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,200
And they could easily be going
into that territory.

892
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,360
And Mephisto was mentioned, I
mentioned in a previous episode

893
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:20,000
that what's it called?
The the the souls of her kids

894
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,440
were actually, Fisto had them
and then she had to get them

895
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,240
back, all that stuff, right?
And then they were reincarnated

896
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:29,120
as Billy Kaplan and, you know,
Tommy and stuff like that.

897
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,960
So and then he found out who his
mother was afterwards, right?

898
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,320
So that very much could be the
case happening here, Like maybe

899
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:45,400
Wiccan Billy Dean doesn't know
who his mother is or thought if

900
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,600
this is Billy Kaplan, that
Rebecca and Jeff Kaplan were his

901
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,360
parents and he had this fixation
on witches, you know, and the

902
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,880
sigil was always on him.
But then with the sigil being

903
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,920
off and him having access to his
power, maybe he still didn't

904
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,200
know who his mother was.
But the fact that Agatha was

905
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,720
like, you're just like your
mother.

906
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,360
And it's like, wait, Rebecca
from Eastview, like she's not a

907
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,360
witch, right?
So then.

908
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,600
It made something snap into
place.

909
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,360
Like, oh wait, that's not my
mother.

910
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,040
Who is my mother?
Watch this Yeah.

911
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,960
Yeah, exactly.
I'm doing what my mother did.

912
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,880
So I don't know like again, this
is theories, right?

913
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,360
This is like anything could
happen at this point, but I

914
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,360
don't know.
It's, it's, it's a lot.

915
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,360
I'm I love the reveal.
It's one of those things where

916
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,480
it's like we all knew it was
coming and then when it

917
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,040
happened, it was like Billie
Eilish, you see me in a crown.

918
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,440
Joe Locke looking good.
I think I think episode 6 has a

919
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:54,520
lot of work to do.
I think the next 343467894 have

920
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,200
a lot to do.
Yeah, I definitely feel a

921
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,440
flashback episode coming.
But we still have, I know we

922
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,880
have Lilia's trial where they
she looks like Glenda, there's

923
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,360
the good witch and everything,
gravity and stuff like that.

924
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,120
So I'm very excited, but.
So they're going to come back

925
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,280
from the muck.
Right.

926
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,640
They have to, right?
Or how do they get back to the

927
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,360
road is the thing.
Where did they go?

928
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:19,000
Did Billy Dean actually help
them by getting them off the

929
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,960
road?
I don't know, seemed pretty

930
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,320
angry.
I don't think he was trying to

931
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,240
help them.
Yeah, and we have to figure out

932
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:26,440
what I was doing.
Yeah.

933
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,000
And so he's probably going to be
going rogue at this point and

934
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,600
just I don't even know what he's
going to be doing.

935
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,600
I know I'm, I'm kind of, I'm
really interested to see like

936
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,040
if, if we know what the witch's
reasons for being on there.

937
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,600
Agatha to get her power back,
right?

938
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,920
Jen to get her power back, Lilia
to get her power back, All of

939
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,560
them.
They literally said that right

940
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,280
before Teen revealed himself.
Like, this is the point of why

941
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,720
they're all there.
There in one form or another.

942
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,040
Teen very much being against
that.

943
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,240
Maybe Teen's real reason to be
on the road is to find out where

944
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:02,280
he actually comes from.
If he does know who his mother

945
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,720
is, knows that she's dead, maybe
he thinks that he can bring her

946
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:08,920
back.
There's a lot of things that he

947
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,760
could be on the road for.
Yeah, but Agatha pushed him a

948
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,920
little too hard.
I'm curious if like at the end

949
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,160
of the road, did I say?
This end of the road as we know

950
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,360
it.
I don't like that song for some

951
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,560
reason.
Like that's one of the songs

952
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,680
where I'm just like this song.
Great.

953
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,800
It's just fast speaking.
You don't like it?

954
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,840
No.
I'm curious if the end of the

955
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,880
road, right?
Like if we're thinking about the

956
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,680
trials and what lies at the end
of this road with Agatha saying

957
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,600
only one witch came back from
the road with her.

958
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,320
And if a coven is typically more
than two witches.

959
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,640
I'm curious if it's one of those
things if like the road gives

960
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,920
you what you rear missing.
But is it a choice?

961
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,760
And that's what I'm going back
and forth with.

962
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,720
I'm trying to figure out the end
before we're even close to it of

963
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:00,920
like, is the reason why she came
back with one witch, was it Rio?

964
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,000
Because Rio can't die if she's
death.

965
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,960
But your choice is to either if
your other coven member died, to

966
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,040
bring them with you, to leave
the road as you were but alive,

967
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,960
or to get the thing to get that
wish that you want.

968
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,280
I'm really curious to see how
that would work.

969
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,600
And then if there's two, how do
you decide?

970
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,360
Right.
It's interesting as far as

971
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,440
Agatha is concerned, because we
know that for Agatha, or at

972
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,680
least what we think, the reason
of her being on the road is to

973
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,480
get her powers back.
But she doesn't actually need to

974
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,320
be on the road to get her powers
back because as we saw, she just

975
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,840
needs someone to blast her and
then she steals their power and

976
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,680
it becomes hers.
I guess.

977
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,240
So there was a part of me that
when they said, you know how

978
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:49,120
many witches came back and she
said one, it was just her, but

979
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,680
she killed everyone else.
I would oh, I thought they said

980
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,000
how many came back with you and
she said one, but I could be

981
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,400
wrong that I I think maybe I
just assumed that she meant one

982
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,680
aside from herself, but that's
true.

983
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,520
But I do think though, when
Alice was like blasting her with

984
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,440
her magic, Alice looked
surprised that she could do it.

985
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,880
I don't think they were really
able to do that.

986
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,800
And then ever since banishing
that demon 100%.

987
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,920
So I think that's like she found
the witches that weren't able to

988
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,040
do magic and was like, OK, I
guess let's go on the road.

989
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,480
Yeah, but then it didn't even
matter because she got her

990
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,560
powers back and then Agatha
killed her.

991
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,440
All right, final thoughts.
Final thoughts are we're still

992
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,000
on the road.
What do you think is going to

993
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,560
happen next episode 6?
I think episode 6 is going to

994
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,360
there's going to be no teen and
it's just going to be Agatha and

995
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,680
the other two trying to figure
out how to escape from wherever

996
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,040
they are.
Because I do think in that trial

997
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:55,120
that we saw Lilia's, we've only
seen Jen and Agatha with her.

998
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,200
So maybe they just go through
the trials, just the three of

999
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,040
them.
Maybe.

1000
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:00,960
Maybe.
How about you?

1001
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,920
What are you thinking?
I think it might be a flashback

1002
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,360
episode.
It seems about the time usually

1003
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,440
like flashback episodes are like
mid season or like right before

1004
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,480
the finale.
So I guess any of these episodes

1005
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:14,960
so.
We're going to be like, oh,

1006
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,800
that's why.
Yeah.

1007
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,680
I'm looking forward to that.
It's getting really juicy,

1008
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,080
though, super juicy.
Let us know what you think about

1009
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:30,040
the reveal, what you think is
going on with Rio Agatha, again,

1010
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,360
this is fun.
This is like this is the weekly

1011
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,280
theories and mysteries that I
think we missed a lot.

1012
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,320
We're like Secret Invasion.
We just wanted it to be done and

1013
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,240
didn't care about this anyway.
But it's nice to be back in

1014
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:47,200
this, right?
So let us know what you thought.

1015
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,880
What do you think?
OK.

1016
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,360
Until next week.
Goodbye, goodbye.