WONDER MAN Review Episodes 5-8

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Hello wonderful people.
Today on a bite of We're talking

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about Wonder Man episodes 5
through 8.

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Finally talking about the
second-half of Wonder Man, I

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lots of thoughts about this
series, especially going into

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the second-half.
This is a fun ride that I can't

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wait to get into.
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Spoilers ahead for Wonder Man as
a character, as a series.

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So go watch the episodes and
then come back.

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Let us officially take a bite of
Wonder Man episodes 5 through 8,

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created by Destin Daniel Cretton
and Andrew Guest.

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Trevor's past catches up with
him, leading Simon to super slam

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some slimeballs.
The call back they've been

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waiting for finally comes, but
Simon's past packs a punch to

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his creative flow.
The pair's dreams come true, but

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a pesky paper reporter puts it
in peril.

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Finally, Simon creates a role
for himself that becomes a

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breakout.
Wow, those are so fun.

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Wonderful.
All right, so this is the

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second-half of the season or
season series question mark.

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We'll get into that.
I think this episode is really

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going to be, it's not so much
how we focused really heavily on

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the 1st 4 episodes in the first
time are Part 1, right?

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I think this will be more of a
general where do we see Wonder

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Man going and some of the under
unanswered questions that we

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still have about the series.
All right, so now that we've

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seen the second-half of season
1, hopefully it's Season 2.

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How did you feel about these 4
episodes compared to the 1st?

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And then I guess just as a
package deal.

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It's interesting, I actually
thought, I don't know if weaker

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is necessarily the right word
for these four.

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Maybe the build up of the
character and trying to piece

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things together is where more
fun was for me.

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The second-half I felt like
confused me a little bit.

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I think it confused me a little
bit about Simon as a character,

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as a person, and kind of where
this is leading them.

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What did you think?
Can we talk about what confused

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you?
Yeah, I think that as far as

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Simon as a character, I kind of
there there in the episode where

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the New York Times reporter is
coming to do a profile piece on

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him.
I was kind of losing track of

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whether or not he was a good
person or not.

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I think that's on purpose, Yeah,
yeah.

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I mean, Simon isn't, he's a good
guy, obviously, and he has good

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intentions.
But I think what this show was

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trying to do was he had to play
specific roles and that's how he

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can determine to fully go into
that role or not.

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And I think by the end of this,
these 4 episodes and by the end

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of the season, he accepts the
role that accepts the bad and

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good consequences of his actions
and just actions around him.

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I don't think we were supposed
to be like he is a superhero

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because he's not a superhero yet
until he actually accepts the

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role as Wonder Man fictionally
and in real life, right?

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So I think there was a
personally, I think there was a

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point to that.
Like, I didn't really think he

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was like a great person in the
first half and the second-half

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you can really see him
struggling with a lot of that

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stuff.
Yeah, I guess, I don't know.

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I guess that's what it was in
the first half.

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I thought that he was definitely
flawed, but I didn't think that

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he was necessarily a jerk.
But I think that in the episode,

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like I said with the New York
Times reporter, the way he's

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seen on set, he's kind of a diva
right in like not knowing

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people's names and wanting his
order just right from crafty

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and, and like, is it because
he's just so into being an actor

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that he doesn't even realize it,
or is it that he doesn't care

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about those people?
Well, I do think that we had

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talked a little bit in our first
part about him possibly being on

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the spectrum or divergent in
some way.

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Then I think in these 4 episodes
it does show a little more to

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that again like when he goes to
Von Kovacs house to do the

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auditions and the script that he
had really doesn't matter.

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And so when he's presented with
like oh this plan doesn't

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matter, you have to improv and
how he just couldn't really

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handle that right when he's
going to the house in his shoes,

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his shoes or is there shoes on
shoes off house.

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So he's really focused on some
of these things that, like, are

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impeding him of performing well
or, you know, acting a certain

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way in a situation.
And I think when he is on that

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movie set, he's like, this is
who I'm supposed to be.

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I'm now taking the role of a
movie actor, and this is what

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you do.
But I think being confronted by

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Kathy Fieldman and having to be
like, oh, no, you have to like,

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be a good person, but are you
actually a good person on set?

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And I think that's him showing.
Oh, maybe I do need to

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understand that these are people
doing the same thing that I'm

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doing.
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And it but it's interesting,
interesting because ultimately

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by the end, we see him make a
selfless choice.

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We see him, you know, kind of
really assume this role of

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wonder man in real life.
So that episode with Kathy

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Friedman, I thought was just
interesting and trying to piece

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together who he is.
And so, you know, I was really

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kind of the I was very much
thinking that he was on the

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spectrum.
And then we got to to that

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episode.
I was like, is he on the

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spectrum?
Yes, maybe no.

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Maybe it's just those social
situations that he just doesn't

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know how to be a person.
But when we see him have that

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conversation with his ex, right?
Because what he's really afraid

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of is that everybody is either
going to reveal his secret or

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tell the reporter that he's a
basically a jerk, you know?

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And he almost thinks the worst
of everyone.

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And as he's going through it,
everyone's like, no, yeah, well,

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you're a jerk and you're
selfish, but I would never do

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that to you.
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And I think that's again, his
part of who he is as a character

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of not fully trusting people and
understanding that like not

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everybody is out to get you,
right.

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And yes, you have multiple
secrets that you're trying to

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hide of you as a person.
And unfortunately, like your

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career path in your in society
have made you feel that way, but

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you can't treat everybody that
way, especially people that have

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always been there for you and
maybe just have a conversation.

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Yeah, just once or twice.
But I think again that that does

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tiptoe into the territory of
like, is he little narrow

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divergent?
And I don't want to keep saying

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that, but I do think it's
interesting that I he, you know,

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has a lot of traits that
somebody that would.

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So it's it's an interesting
balance between the two.

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Sometimes it's like, oh, is he
hiding his powers or he's hiding

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how he is socially.
And I like that it conflated

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both of those a little bit,
because now it's just kind of up

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to us to dissect that and talk
about it, hence the show.

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What, you know, one of the
things I was thinking about is

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we, we learn a good amount, not
a good amount, but we learned

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about his past.
And so I'm trying to figure out

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what happened to him that led
him to this place of needing to

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be so secretive about himself,
about his superpowers, and so

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'cause there was never really a
thing where someone really did

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him wrong in a way, it's just
something that he put upon

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himself, which is kind of sad.
Well, I think, OK, let's get

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into the DODC because I think
this is playing into it.

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I part of the reason why I think
that we didn't see his origin of

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his powers is because 1, he is
being set up to be some type of

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mutant, right?
And the DODC is very much being

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set up to be the government
backed agency to round up

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mutants in some way.
You know, we heard, I think it

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was in episode 3 of like, you
know, half of the the cells are

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filled and like we're running
out of money.

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So we have to justify why we
have this big fancy facility,

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but it's only being filled to
half capacity.

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And so like, how do you fill
those cells quickly and easily?

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You would still fear into
people.

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And so I think that's where
Doorman came in.

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And that was a very important
part of not only you can't have

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powers while you're on set, but
they also took away Josh Gad

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national treasure.
Josh Gad, who is missing.

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I don't think he's still
missing.

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And if he is missing, we know
he's alive just because of the

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showrunners have said that he's
alive.

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But I'm actually more in the
side of they have Josh Gad.

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They're able because they're
experimenting on doorman.

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We we, we can infer that I think
they might have Josh Gad and

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they're more they're fueling the
machine the the fear machine of

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see people with powers that are
unchecked can cause harm.

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Yeah, I mean, this entire
situation, it's, it's blackmail

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with Trevor and then it's almost
like entrapment, you know, in a

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way with Simon that they're
trying to get him to use his

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powers so they can hold it
against him and then they can

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put him in one of these cells,
you know, so I I just, obviously

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the DODC is just a bad, bad
organization.

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Well, they.
Did say that he was a threat or

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an asset.
So I do think that's going to

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come into play later and exactly
where that's going to fall, I

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think it's going to really
depend on Simon.

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And what is an asset mean for
the DODC, right?

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Doesn't necessarily.
It's like you're not playing for

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the good guys.
No, no, I do want to say that

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the the second-half had some of
my favorite like episodes and

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scenes.
I love when they were finally

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getting the call back to things
like all was hit in the fan.

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They had to run from like people
are trying to get money from

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Trevor and also the cops and
everything like that.

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That was really funny.
And then the we got to the point

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in the series or the character
arc where Trevor and Simon kind

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of had a falling out and we find
out that Trevor was lying the

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entire time.
And how Simon deals with that is

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literally exploding with
emotions and destroying sound

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sage.
The one person he put his trust

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into ended up doing him dirty.
And I think that, but if you

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look at it like maybe this has
happened to Simon a lot because

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his brother doesn't seem like he
really can trust him or his

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brother, even though he supports
him and he loves him, I don't

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think that he's been there how
Simon needed.

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He doesn't get him.
No, and I don't think he wants

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to get him, which like he's not
putting forth the effort.

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It's like, I don't know, maybe
just stop getting on him so much

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about not having these big
roles.

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He's obviously trying, right?
And because of who he is as a

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person, it might just take a
little.

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Longer, well, because it it
seems like for his brother, the

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way to be successful is to have
money and to be able to take

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care of your family.
And right now Simon doesn't have

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either of those things.
But holding him up to your own

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standards of what a person
should be, well, that just

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breeds contempt.
Yeah, I did really like the sign

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though, with the scene where he
blew up the sound stage that

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just visually looked amazing and
I think really showcased his

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power.
Like, I mean, he wasn't even

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really at full capacity I would
say.

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Well, I mean we need to talk
about the gotcha moment in the

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callback scene when we all
thought that he punched a hole

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through that guys head.
Yo jaw on the floor, gasping for

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breath, completely gagged, I
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When that happened, I was like,
there's no way he can get past

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this.
This is.

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I was like, oh, he's real
fucked.

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And then it.
Wasn't.

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Yeah, it was totally a gotcha
moment for us as audience

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members.
It was definitely effective.

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But I think that, I mean, look
at the way that his powers can

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manifest.
I I mean, he obviously is

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capable of that.
He can blow up an entire sound

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stage.
He could truly punch a hole

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through someone's face.
And just being upset about

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friends falling out like that's
so I'm really curious to see how

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far it can go.
The episode with von Kovac and

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his house.
I, I just again, I love this and

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how they crafted this entire
series of like what an actor

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goes through an audition process
and how there's like Francis

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Ford Coppola type directors that
are like super method and like a

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little too much.
I do want to say that I did like

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von Kovac's kind of
protectiveness of Simon a little

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bit when some, I can't remember
which one of the actors was kind

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of like, oh, OK with Simon and
he's like, no, no, no, don't do

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that.
So I did like that he had a

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softer side as opposed to like
just being very weird.

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Well, you know, he does say,
ultimately say to Simon that

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Simon, it was always you.
I just needed you to rise to the

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occasion.
I knew it was going to be you.

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So sweet.
Oh my God, that's so sweet.

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You were always my wonder.
Me, Hun.

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So let's talk about Trevor's
decision to cover for Simon as

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taking on the mantle.
Mantle again as the Mandarin,

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right?
I think that this spells trouble

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for Shang Chi and his sister
because she's now the leader of

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the Ten Rings.
And now this terrorist.

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I'm putting that in quotes is
back with the imagery of the Ten

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Rings everywhere and saying that
like this is what he's doing and

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that Hollywood is brainwashing
you, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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blah.
It kind of echoing the far right

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a little bit.
But now doing that to cover for

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Simon for blowing up that sound
stage, which I think is the best

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form of friendship that you
could possibly do by sentencing

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yourself to just forever being
locked.

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Up.
That's going above and beyond,

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yeah, But I.
It's going to be really

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interesting to see if this comes
back in some sort of way.

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Yeah, I mean, it would be cool
to get more Shang Chi in our

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lives.
You're telling me?

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It's been years, but I think
that it's the ultimate selfless

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moment.
I think that so many of his

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decisions in his life were
completely selfish, were to get

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more money, to get more drugs,
to try and survive.

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He was willing to kind of do
whatever it took.

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And so I think that being with
Simon, although it started as a

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way to save himself, ended up
being a way to for him to

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discover himself and to make up
make amends for his past.

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It very much was like friends of
the craft became friends in real

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life.
Yes, it was very sweet.

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Actors.
Loving actors.

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And not actors on actors, actors
loving actors.

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Yeah, I, I think the their
trajectory of friendship and

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just, I mean, what an amazing
story arc for Trevor, Ben

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Kingsley being able to like,
play this role and then fully

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come full circle and redeem
himself in some sort of way.

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His decision to do that is was
great, but now there's huge

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targets on both of their backs.
Well, and if we look at that

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episode, what's interesting is
that we see Trevor kind like

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really kind of saving Simon
throughout the entire period of

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them being on set, whether it's
how he's talking to people.

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There's that whole thing where
Trevor cannot get over just this

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one line in a scene.
And excuse me, Simon can't get

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over a line in the scene.
And Trevor has to step in and

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kind of smooth it over between
him and Kovacs because he's

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like, I think in a way you could
ruin this for yourself.

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And so he ultimately has to save
him again.

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It's mirroring the American
Horror Story situation where he

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could have been going too far.
And if Ben wasn't there and you

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see this really highly
codependent relationship between

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them specifically in the
episode.

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And then it just boils down to
like, once Simon finds out that

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twist or finds out that he's
been, you know, getting

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information on him and it wasn't
truly his friend, even though he

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was, that's when just the
everything kind of crumbles

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right together.
But you can see that Trevor did

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really care about him
regardless.

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He destroyed the the wire.
He kept trying to like play both

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sides and ultimately didn't work
out.

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But then it was up to Simon of
accepting that role as Wonder

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Man to save him.
And and then we see that the the

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movie's a hit and Simon is a
star.

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So what makes Simon then give it
all up to save Trevor?

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I think he had sucked.
I think he upset.

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I think he accepts the role of
Wonder Man like fully.

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Like I have these powers.
I can be a real life Wonder Man

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and also play the role of Wonder
Man.

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Well, he looks so good in the
suit, so of course he's going to

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accept the role.
So incredibly cool.

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From head to toe, Yeah, I mean,
do you want to?

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OK, yeah, so friends over at POC
Culture, Ron Shadow, I did win.

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It was a little bit away and I,
I, I do feel a little bad for

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winning, but I also don't
because I mean just Wonder Man,

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like official Wonder Man
glasses, which I cannot wear for

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long.
If this is what Scott Summer

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sees constantly, I I I would be
upset.

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Those glasses always the the
Scott Summers glasses always

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amaze me because his his beams,
what, what are his beams called?

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They're concussive blasts.
There you go.

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His concussive blasts.
They're just like always going

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right.
Yeah, I know.

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His glasses stare on his face.
There's like, it's like a

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certain type of quartz or
something like that.

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There's, there's science,
there's an encyclopedia right

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there.
We can pick it up.

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We're.
Going to Yeah, we're going to do

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some.
Deep research, I mean, but just

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so cool look.
At this cool guy.

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Him, him getting the actual like
Wonder Man glasses, the original

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ones.
I think that's what really sold

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him.
We have that whole moment where

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you see him in the suit and he's
coming into that role of Wonder

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Man.
And these are the real ones from

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set.
These are from Yaya's face.

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No, they're not close enough
though.

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Close.
Enough.

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They are very much going to sit
high in your collection of

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goods.
I'll probably.

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Put them over here, yeah.
Yeah, we have this nice little

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red shelf going here on the top
that's.

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Perfectly things that we've
covered shelf but yeah, I mean

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going to the end of wonder man
right I'm just going to keep

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this on because I'm not going to
take them off and.

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I'll they look cool.
Going to the end of Wonder Run,

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right?
Yucca Valley, we see after he's

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successful and everything and he
gets to talk to his agent and be

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like, you did it, we did it,
we're finally here.

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Your your movie star.
You have the choice of whatever

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you want to do.
This is what you've been working

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for.
Your father would be so fucking

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proud, which is amazing.
He makes a decision to take on

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the role of a security guard to
the DOCDODCDOCDODC prison right

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to break Trevor out.
I really loved the scene where

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he was getting to know the
security guard.

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Yeah, I thought it would like
most shows wouldn't care.

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It was another moment where we
in the audience were sort of,

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we're in the dark because we
didn't necessarily know what was

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going on.
Who is this guy?

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You know, we know that Simon,
he's method, right?

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So he wants to dig deep now he's
a big star, he's getting a

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gritty role.
He's playing every man, not

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Wonder Man, but actually it's
all farce, right?

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And so.
I also, but I do want to say

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though, like we spent like what,
15 minutes with him getting to

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know that like he didn't really
even want this job, but because

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of where he lives and because of
money and everything, he has to

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kind of do it.
We even go from like him with

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his workout routines to eating
dinner with his family.

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So like again, we're in the dark
of like what is happening?

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Like why are we?
I guess he is with the role.

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But I do love like all that work
for him to just be like, no, I'm

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not the guy who you think I am.
And then just gets Trevor out.

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It's like all of that training
was like, why?

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He had to trick him.
He had to.

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He only talked to two people.
He needed to gain his trust in

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order for him to get through the
doors.

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Well, I guess if you didn't see
the karaoke at the local bar, he

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wouldn't have been able to get
past that second guard.

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That's right, He needed to know.
He just really needed to ingrain

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himself in that life in order to
get through the doors.

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Because I think that, yeah, he
could have probably blasted

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through the doors, but would he
have made it to Trevor in time?

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So he needed to be able to go
through undercover.

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I feel for the guard and his
family who think that there's

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going to be some sort of movie
based on him or something.

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I.
Think he knows now that like

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it's not like it was all for
that.

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He doesn't even care about that
place anyway.

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Like, I don't think he fully
believes in that place or I

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think he'll be fine.
I just thought he was going to

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see himself on the big screen.
No, no, unfortunately.

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So sad So.
He breaks Trevor out amazing

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saving the damsel scene and he
pulls Trevor in close which I

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was like.
Love that.

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And then they kiss.
And then they kissed and flew

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off.
No.

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OK, so this brings us to the
part in this episode of Do you

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think we will see Wonder Man
again?

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And when do you think we will
see him?

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We.
Better.

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I mean, what is he going to do,
just be flying through the air

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forever with Trevor?
Yeah.

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Forever with Trevor, you guys,
people, let me tell you about my

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best friend.
Yeah, I mean, it would be such

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AII honestly think it would be a
waste of this character.

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I OK, so do you think we will
see him in doomsday?

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Because this is this is where a
lot of them Marvel Cinematic

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Universe is going right now
because we only really have I

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think Spiderman before we have
Doomsday.

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So he's either going to show up
in Spiderman or Doomsday or just

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not until the mutant.
Saga.

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I mean, can someone tell me what
doomsday is about?

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No, exactly.
Do you think we'll see him

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though?
I.

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I would hope so.
I, I, I honestly would hope so.

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I really liked Simon as a
character.

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I think it really worked in his
favor to be able to get to know

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him before he's the hero.
Well, I that I think is the

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point of these spotlights.
I think they're starting to

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understand like, oh, we can do
this type of origin where it's

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self-contained in a way.
Echo and Wonder Man are very

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much like this.
Without worrying about the

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greater MCU, without putting a
timestamp on things, without

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doing all this stuff and just
tell the story to.

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Then once they are introduced
again, it's a bigger impact

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instead of wasting that time.
I mean, do you think you'll see

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him again?
We'll see him again.

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I do, but I don't think in these
Avengers movies.

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No, no.
And I I almost don't want him to

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show up because there are so
many moving parts with these two

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movies, so many characters that
are involved in this that I

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think to have him kind of thrown
in there.

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I don't know.
I will say though, I don't think

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that Marvel banked on the
success of this show.

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This show is beloved.
Like I don't see any critiques.

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Nobody's like trolling, nobody's
doing.

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I mean, there's the occasional
like this show is boring,

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whatever, but there's like, I
think everybody Unitedly is

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being like, this is a great
show.

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The show was really good.
This is what I want from this.

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And so I don't think that they
expected the type of reception

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that it got.
So who knows, maybe they're

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going to put him in there some
way.

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But exactly where does he fall
in, right?

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He is in California.
So we do know that there's quite

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a lot of heroes and people
there, everybody from like Jimmy

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Wu to the Pins to Chung Chi and
Katie.

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So they're all there.
But he kind of can't stay in

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California.
Well, I think that's the the big

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question, right, is like he's
globally known now as his

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character, his face, Trevor is
now globally known again as in

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quotes terrorist.
So like, what do they do?

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Are they going to somehow be on
the run more?

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I don't know.
Yeah, I think it's really

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interesting.
I mean, I think there's also

449
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,280
something to be said about will
eventually the DODC be brought

450
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,480
down?
Oh.

451
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,920
Not for a while, I think.
I mean, but is that maybe a

452
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,160
mission of Wonder Man is to
bring them down, the people that

453
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,480
were trying?
And also, maybe he needs to save

454
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,400
Doorman, Find out where Doorman
is, Find out where Josh Gad is.

455
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,400
I think.
Olaf, 1000.

456
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,200
Three, I think, yeah.
I, I mean, it would actually be

457
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,080
kind of cool if after the dust
settles or even maybe in

458
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:46,160
between, who knows, because we
have Kate and Kamala Khan

459
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,880
recruiting people, right?
But what are they recruiting

460
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,520
them for?
They're all kind of in the same

461
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,920
area as well.
So maybe it is to start some

462
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,480
type of resistance that's under
the radar because like, again,

463
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,360
Simon's going to have to be
under the radar or he's not.

464
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,440
I mean, are they going to be
able to prove that this beloved

465
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,520
action star is the one that
broke him out?

466
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,720
Do you know what I mean?
Like, can they prove that?

467
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,680
Probably because they're like,
best friends.

468
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,680
But I think it would be harder
for the DODC to try to get the

469
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,400
public's opinion to hate Simon
versus the other way.

470
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,160
OK, so we have Simon and Trevor.
We need some sort of hacker

471
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,600
character that can get into the
DODC and find their files.

472
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,200
Who will that be?
That could be Rhode Island

473
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,600
Rhode.
Island right and then.

474
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,760
Riri's going through it.
I don't know.

475
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,600
Oh.
My gosh, that's right.

476
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,400
So OK, what we really need to do
is we need to break down the

477
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,960
where are they now characters of
Marvel?

478
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,800
Not obviously now, but I think
there needs to be some research

479
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,840
of like these characters that
were introduced but have been

480
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,080
nowhere as far as in the main
MCU timeline.

481
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,280
I think it's going to be
interesting to see going into

482
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,960
Spider Man and going into
Avengers, Doomsday, Doomsday,

483
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,800
Doomsday, and what time are we
at?

484
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,920
Are we at current time?
Are we a little further?

485
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,440
Because they do like to do time
jumps a little bit and I think

486
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,840
to serve some sort of purpose,
they could easily do that.

487
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,080
So I think with that, where does
that leave us?

488
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,680
Because I know that Shengshi and
Wonder Man, so we're kind of

489
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,760
developed around the same time.
Hence we have Trevor involved

490
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,480
and he's not with Morris or
anything like that.

491
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,800
So I do think it's interesting
we got it so far after the fact

492
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,320
from 2021 to now.
So I don't know, I don't think

493
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,280
that we will see Wonderland for
a while, unfortunately.

494
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,320
Like he could probably pop up in
some smaller things, but I

495
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:40,080
almost want his like
reintroduction with the bigger

496
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,880
stuff to be a little more
impactful instead of just being

497
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,840
like, oh, there's wonder,
there's Simon, and then that's

498
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,160
it, you know?
So I don't want him to be kind

499
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,760
of a throwaway.
I don't think that we're going

500
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,840
to get vision quest stuff
because there's no way they can

501
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,960
do the brain wave patterns with
him.

502
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,160
And I don't know.
It's definitely a big question

503
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,040
mark for sure.
I, I think that this, this

504
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,600
wonder man I was going to like
as a season, I think it told a

505
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,720
complete story.
I'd obviously think it leaves it

506
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,200
open for more.
Where you could easily get a

507
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,280
season 2.
Absolutely, absolutely.

508
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,160
Of of maybe them just trying,
like I said, bringing the DODC

509
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,520
down or just trying to be on the
run or whatever it is.

510
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,880
Make it oh, you know what would
be OK?

511
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,440
You know it would be so cool.
Tell me first season 2 of Wonder

512
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:28,000
Man is if Ivan Kovac, so he
wants to work with him again,

513
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,960
right?
Ivan Kovac does like a

514
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:36,520
documentary style thing of Simon
making the West Coast Avengers,

515
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,960
but it's like in the form of a
documentary.

516
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,640
I think that would be really
fun.

517
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,800
So you get the whole like
industry kind of behind the

518
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,080
scenes stuff that you got with
the first season, but a little

519
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,080
more meta without doing the same
formula again.

520
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,760
There's going to be a goofy
cameraman character in that.

521
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,560
It would be fun.
He's like, whoa, whoa.

522
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,880
This is so.
Wild for sure.

523
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,560
You know it.
OK, come.

524
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,360
On sure.
OK, I'm casting it.

525
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:03,920
I'm I'm building out your idea
here.

526
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,440
Yeah yeah, I think that could be
really cool.

527
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,480
I yeah, I I think that the
question is where are we going

528
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,360
to see him?
But I think that we should hope

529
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,200
we we should most definitely see
him again.

530
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,440
It would be a waste.
Let us know what you think when

531
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,000
you think we will see Wonder man
again.

532
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,920
When would you like to see him?
I I think it would be kind of

533
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,880
hard to see him in spider man
just because one where it takes

534
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,840
place and how big that movie's
going to be.

535
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,920
Doomsday maybe easily depends on
how many people are involved,

536
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,880
right?
Secret Wars maybe, but I don't

537
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,280
think doomsday.
I think there's a very

538
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,680
particular vision for that and I
don't see Simon Fid I.

539
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,480
Think it's Fantastic Four
forward.

540
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,320
Oh yeah, for sure.
I can't wait.

541
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,000
So excited for that.
Yeah.

542
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,320
All in all, loved it.
I want more of this type of

543
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,760
thing.
If this is how they do origin

544
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,640
stores, which we were already
kind of getting with Miss

545
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,560
Marvel, Moon Night, all of that,
I think we should do that more.

546
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:00,520
It's felt.
Elevated.

547
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,080
Yeah, in some way, yeah.
I really, I really liked it.

548
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,440
It was a little meta.
More fun.

549
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,720
Yeah.
Two thumbs up.

550
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,080
Yeah, all right.
Well, two thumbs up from Wonder

551
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,640
Man and we'll be back with
something else.

552
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,440
I'm sad to see Simon go but hey,
we we squeezed like 2 weeks out

553
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,400
of talking about this so I'm
happy about that.

554
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,960
Yes, we're celebrating Simon
flying through the air with

555
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,600
Trevor in his arms.
Yeah, All right.

556
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,920
I need to take these off because
I don't know what colors are

557
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,320
anymore.
You're.

558
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,040
So dizzy.
All right, Bye, bye.