Oct. 22, 2024

'Agatha All Along' Episode 6 Review

'Agatha All Along' Episode 6 Review
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'Agatha All Along' Episode 6 Review

We’re leaving the witches' road to go back in time to discuss Agatha All Along ep. 6: Familiar By Thy Side!

On the menu: the Kaplan’s love for William, Eddie the supportive boyf, the return of Ralph Bohner, is this WandaVision 2.0, where is Tommy, is Billy Maximoff creating the witches' road, & more!

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Hello everyone, and according to
Agatha Harkness, I am a loser

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because I go to bed early Yes,
it's me, Derek.

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Join with the night owl himself,
Noah, and you're listening to a

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bite of.
Oh, we're all bonerific over

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here.
Totally bonered.

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Every boner is a blessing.
You didn't have to add more, but

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I'm glad you did.
I feel like that is another

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T-shirt at a boner family
reunion.

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What?
Every boner is a blessing.

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Oh, that's really nice.
Yeah.

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Baby shower.
That's beautiful.

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Oh my God, this is gold.
A christening first.

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Every boner is a blessing. 1st 2
minutes into this pod.

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You're welcome, Marvel.
We're just.

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Talking.
We're just talking about a

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character and that's it.
Well, so I mean, if you didn't

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recognize it by the title and or
us talking about boners, not

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that kind of boner, Agatha all
along.

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Episode 6.
This is the point in the shows

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when we're covering these longer
ones where I'm like, what

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episode are we on?
We've been in this world for so

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long and I cannot believe we
only have two weeks left.

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Two weeks.
I mean this week.

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One comic that's right.
Yeah, Comic Con happened, and

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the final two episodes are
together in one week.

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So next week, Agatha ends.
Oh, man.

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OK, we have a lot to talk about.
We need to get right into it.

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make sure you're throwing stars

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Make sure you subscribe to the

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If you're on Spotify, you can

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see your pure pretty, pretty,
pretty pretty faces.

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You can see them there.
Patreon got a discord with an

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Agatha All along coven spoiler
chat.

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So if you want people to talk
about, get in that Discord and

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talk about Agatha all along
freely without worrying about

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spoiling it for people.
Yeah, which is a nice thing,

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yeah.
Yeah, I think.

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Spoilers ahead.
I feel like, you know, we, we

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just need to get into this
episode because it might be a

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meaty 1.
I don't know.

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You never know how hefty or
meaty these episodes are going

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to be.
I try to keep it clean and

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family friendly.
Our show is called A Bite of.

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I can make food puns all I want.
Yes, but not when we started the

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episode talking about boners.
That's your problem, I mean.

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So spoilers.
Not for me.

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Spoilers ahead for One Division
Agatha all along.

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Comic book lore, just in
general.

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If you haven't watched it, go
watch it come back.

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OK, so let us officially take a
bite of Agatha all along.

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Episode 6 Familiar by Thy Side
written by Jason Rostovsky and

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directed by Ganja Montero.
A tragic accident claims the

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life of William Kaplan.
At the same time, Wanda releases

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Westview from the hex hold she
had on the town.

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Unknowingly, Billy Maximoff's
spirit enters the teens lifeless

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body after being erased from
Wanda's reality.

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Trying to figure out how it
happened, Billy's research leads

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him to Agatha.
Of course, because it was her

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all along.
We haven't heard that song once.

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I don't know if we should.
You know, but it's the name of

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the show I.
Know, but it's like it's it's

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wand division's thing, you know
like keep it there, keep it

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there.
I have some thoughts about this

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being wand division two point O,
but like we'll get to it so.

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What did you think of this
episode?

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I really, really liked it.
I have some criticisms, of

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course, like this is what we do,
right?

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I'm not going to start this
episode like that, but I think,

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you know, you always have to
have this type of episode in a

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show like this in a mystery box
show.

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You have that episode that is
like, oh, let's go back a little

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bit before we can go forward,
right?

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And we knew that was coming.
I wasn't sure if it was going to

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be with Agatha or if it was
going to be with teen slash

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Billy.
I'm glad we got the Billy one

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right.
I do feel like even though this

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was longer than the last
episode, I felt like I needed a

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little more because there's
there's scenes which I thought

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they did really well with the
time that they were given and

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used.
I just wanted to see maybe Billy

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deal with this imposter identity
crisis a little bit, which

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sounds bad, right?
Because it's like, why do we

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want him to?
Why do I want him to suffer a

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little bit more?
But I just felt like I needed I

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needed to sit with it a little
more before it went to the

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quirkiness that is Agatha all
along.

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And that's that's just me.
But I think they did a really

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beautiful, poignant way of
introducing this character or

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where their journey started.
What about you?

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Yeah, I I thought it was a good
episode as well.

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I think it, like you said, it
kind of met that thing of us

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going, we know we're going to be
getting a back story soon and it

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was Billy slash William slash
teen.

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How do we refer to them, Billy?
Is it just Billy?

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Billy.
Umm.

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Billy umm, got it.
That's perfect.

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I like that it answered some of
the questions that we were

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wondering.
Of course, didn't give us all of

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the answers because it is only
episode 6 out of nine.

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So I thought it was, I thought
it was really good.

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I did and and I'm excited to see
what this all means for the

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coming episodes.
Yeah, I think this is so now

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that we've gotten some answers
on like why Billy, how did he

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get here?
What happened?

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Now it's going to be what does
this mean and how are they going

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to handle it going forward?
Because I feel like for me

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personally, that's going to be
like the make or break thing

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because it's like, OK, I'm
seeing what's happening and how

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you guys are connecting this to
Wanda Vision.

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It's great so far.
But like what?

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Where is this going to lead us?
I know that we still have Vision

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Quest or whatever the Vision
series is called.

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And then potentially a Scarlet
Witch movie, potentially

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something with like Agatha and
Billy.

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So like there's a lot of things
that are circulating right now.

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We just know there is a Vision
show coming out so.

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Or even the Young Avengers.
Right, right.

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Yeah.
I mean, who knows?

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Who knows?
Yeah.

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I think it is really interesting
kind of stepping back from this

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episode a little bit, just
looking at the broader MCU of

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like, OK, there's all these spin
offs and stuff from one division

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happening and there's like the
Young Avengers.

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But like after the next couple
Avengers movies like Secret

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Wars, the the universe or movies
are supposed to reset in a way.

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So it's going to be interesting,
like they're going to have like

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the how are we going to wrap
this up?

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And what does that mean going
forward?

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Like is everything kind of soft
rebooting, right?

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It's like, is the family going
to get back together?

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And it's like, OK, bye.
So yeah, are we doing all of

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this work for nothing?
Right, it's going to be I don't

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think they're going to do that,
but it is interesting of that's

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how they're talking about it.
So I don't know signed out it's.

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Just gotten too complicated for
them.

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Even so, they're just like,
we're going to just start over.

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Yeah, I think so.
I mean over 10 years, like let's

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say.
Yeah.

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And it's, it's yeah, with, with
timelines.

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And where does it leave any of
us?

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Yeah, I think we we'll do a
whole episode on that probably

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at some point of like, where are
we now, Charlie Day?

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Right.
Yeah.

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We actually need to make one of
those boards.

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I think that would be actually
very helpful.

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So big thing coming right out of
the gate with this episode.

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It starts with William.
I was going to call him Billy

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Williams, Bar Mitzvah.
What did you think about this

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depiction of William before
Billy?

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Well, I am releasing the reality
that I'm supposed to believe

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that Joe Locke is playing a 13
year old.

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He keeps playing kids and it's
it's fine.

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At least he went three years
ahead.

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Yeah, he's just getting younger
and younger, but that's fine.

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So the interesting thing for me
is, you know, I think I've been

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saying this now for four years
of doing the podcast.

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I only know so much about the
comics, you know, the comic

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history of these characters.
So seeing that there's this

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other character that's lightly
related to Billy Maximov named

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William Kaplan I think is really
interesting and I think it's

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honestly really sad.
It's it's nice to see this young

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man being celebrated by his
family.

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Obviously he's loved, he has
tons of friends.

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And then in the next, what, 2
scenes we see something very

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tragic to happen and actually
him lose his life.

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So it's an interesting
introduction to a character who

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doesn't necessarily continue on
we.

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Do though, I think that's the
question.

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Right, right.
Right.

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Yeah.
I I mean, are are you good?

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OK.
I don't want to be like anyway,

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in my opinion, one I love that
was called magic mitzvah.

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Again, neither of us are Jewish.
I, I really appreciate seeing

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these different types of
traditions and everything being

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done.
And I thought from an outsider's

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perspective of the little tiny
bit that I know that they did a

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good job of portraying that we
get such little time with

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William.
I mean, I think he has what,

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maybe a couple lines of Joe Lock
playing William right in this

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little snippet, this little
vignette of his life at the

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party and everything.
He is very much loved.

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His parents love him.
He's so proud of him, like you

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said.
And then we get Lilia, surprise.

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Lilia met him prior to the road.
So that is something that I

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thought was really interesting
about this episode, that no

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matter what we thought,
everything we were theorizing,

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this episode kind of turned
everything on its head a little

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bit because it was like, wait,
he met all the witches prior to

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the road.
There's a little things

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everywhere that is like what is
happening here.

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Like, wait, let's, like, I'm,
I'm glad you're answering this,

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but now you're giving me more
questions, right?

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What did you think about Lilia
showing up and doing the tarot

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reading or the palm reading, I
should say?

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Well, I think it made sense,
right, Because when we first in

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the first two, I guess it was
the second episode when Agatha

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is putting her coven together.
Lilia is like, I've just been

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kind of doing little things that
I can to survive.

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And I guess being a hired palm
reader or events is one of those

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things.
So what I keep thinking about in

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my head is, you know, when she
reads William's palm, she says

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that his lifeline has two
branches.

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Basically it's.
Like split?

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It's split and it kind of causes
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So the question that I have is
what did she see that made her

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panic and want to put the sigil
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Yeah, the revelation that Lilia
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which, OK, in hindsight, we
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How long have we been doing
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We should have noticed from the
tarot cards stuff, the

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marketing, that they showed that
such a was all over him.

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It was Lilia all along.
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I even had I, I was obviously
doing some research and reading

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some theories and things.
And that, that when she was

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writing the names of the coven
on the piece of paper, the black

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heart actually wasn't Rio, it
was Billy.

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But she couldn't write his name.
Boy, that was also confirmed

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with Eddie.
He texted You are my black

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heart.
And it's like, you guys, we

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thought it was Rio, but if we're
going with the theory of Rio

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being death, it wouldn't make
sense that she would be part of

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the covenant.
It was teen the whole time.

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It was teen all along.
We're not.

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Going to do.
We can't keep doing that for

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everybody.
Yeah, but I I thought that was

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interesting.
I'm not too sure what she saw.

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We're not 100% sure.
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I'm thinking this week when this
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to get Lilia's trial and maybe
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about how her powers work, her
back story a little bit.

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But it does seem like she saw
something that either she's

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trying to prevent something or
encourage something, put him on

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a certain path.
I'm not sure.

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Like, did she see the events of
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Did she see that Agatha is going
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But it's important that nobody
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We definitely know that she saw
him get into an accident and

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that's why the lifeline is split
because she tells him, I

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believe, right before he leaves.
Like, enjoy every moment.

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Like you just enjoy this moment.
Which is so sad because she knew

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and she couldn't tell him.
But I did think it was a nice

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detail of her making that sigil,
dropping it as soon as she

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dropped it in that coat pocket.
What am I doing?

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Yeah, that was very cool.
That was very cool.

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Yeah.
I would.

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Again, kind of going back to why
the sigil, why did she want to

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block his name from herself,
from everyone else?

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And was it something along the
lines of maybe she was hoping

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that by putting that sigil
there, he wouldn't realize who

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he was so he could just live his
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I I that's interesting, right?
I I I know that there was a part

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where teen I keep wanting to
call him teen.

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We used to call him teen for so
long even though we.

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I mean, we might be better off
just calling him teen.

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Billy, you all know who we're
talking about, but when he was

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on the computer or something,
you see post it notes of sigils,

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like there's two different types
of sigils.

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I'm I'm not too sure how it
works.

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And I think it's one of those
things of like, this is a thing

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that happened, but we're not
going to over explain it because

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then that sets rules on things
and we can't change them later

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on.
Yeah, I am not too sure why she

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would have done it.
I don't have any theories yet.

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Yeah, the scene is so layered
because we have Lilia meeting

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William, but then seeing Billy,
right?

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We literally see Billy in her
crystal ball.

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But then she has one of her like
wild premonitions where she just

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says a tarot card out of
nowhere, which is from probably

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her trial like in the future.
Everything she has said so far

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has like come to fruition at
some point, except for like when

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she like she called Jen high
priestess.

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I think she said like 9 of
Knights or swords or something

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like that.
So it's like those I'm not too

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sure.
But yeah, she said what did she

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say in this one?
She.

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Said tower reversed and so I do
love an Oracle deck and tarot

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cards.
So I do have a tarot deck.

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This is the Star Spinner Tarot
by Trungols.

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This is like an analog research.
This is your librarian coming

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out.
So this is actually really

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interesting.
So the tower both upright and

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reverse I could see relating to
teen, but I'll talk about

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reverse.
So it says the walls you have

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built remain strong, but you
never leave them in an effort to

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hide from the wind and cold.
You have also shut away the sun

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and stars.
You resist change because it may

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entail starting over.
To your mind, a fresh start is

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more of a threat than a new
opportunity.

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That's reversed.
That's reversed.

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Interesting.
Yeah.

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So that sounds like an internal,
right?

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That's like an internal change.
Is that what?

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It sounds like it's very afraid
to change, and so you've built

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these walls around you because
it feels safe.

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But by doing that, you're
stopping yourself from

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experiencing the good things in
life.

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Well, that's interesting then,
right?

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Because what is if we're going
off of the promotional materials

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that they showed with the tarot
cards, And it's interesting that

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Lily has pretty much said all of
the ones that have been in the

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promotional materials, the one
with the tower, it shows the

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crown of Billy at the top being
struck by lightning and it's

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falling and then two other
people falling as well.

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So I'm really curious to see
like what his resistance to

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change is and is he actively
resisting some type of change

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because it seems like in this
episode he wants to understand.

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Think of this.
Think of this.

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This actually sounds more like
Wanda keeping herself trapped in

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the Hex because it feels safe
and not letting change actually

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happen when it's supposed to.
That is interesting.

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I mean, he is a part of her.
Yeah, I have.

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I'm going to say this towards
we'll have like a theory section

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theory a little later after we
get through some of this,

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because I don't want to like go
all ridiculous mode right now,

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but I think it still might
pertain to him.

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You know a maxim off dramatic
ways that they do.

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Well, they are very much alike,
and I got to tell them that

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you're very much like your
mother.

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I do.
Before we leave Lilia and this

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Bar Mitzvah, I do want to say
that is she now the reason that

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Multiverse of Madness happened?
Wanda could not find Billy, her

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children.
I mean, Toby, Tommy is out there

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somewhere, but Billy was right
there.

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He took the body of somebody
nearby.

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Wanda couldn't feel him or see
him or anything like that.

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So I think Lilia might be the
reason Multiverse of Madness

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happens, which essentially just
means that that's why Wanda died

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or disappeared.
All she did was write in a

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little block Ball took.
What a mess.

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Some would say it's madness.
I need to know why she did it.

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Lilia, call us.
We will find out.

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I mean, her episode I think is
this week, so I hope we do find

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out.
Way better the.

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Question is though, staying on
the sigil for like a second is

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when, since the sigil is now
broken, when Lilia sees Billy is

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she going to recognize him?
Because leading up to this Jen

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didn't see Billy, he just
watched her on YouTube.

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But Alice saw him, and so did
Lilia and so did Sharon, which I

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don't think Sharon would have
really remembered, but she did.

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It was like that same night.
So it's going to be interesting

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to see if they do recognize him
and if that is if Alice comes

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back, because Alice so far, we
don't know where she's at.

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Well, and if Lilia and Jen are
the only two going through

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Lilia's trial, Lilia may not
survive the trial.

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So we may never get the answer
to that question.

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Spoiler or not, did you see in
the trailer it shows it shows

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Joe Locke and Agatha there with
them.

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Oh well, that's good, because
that's when Joe Locke is in the

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Maleficent costume.
Oh, that's right.

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That's right.
That's right.

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And Jen is the wicked witch.
So good.

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Gangs back together.
It's not a spoiler, it's in the

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trailer.
I'm sorry if you guys didn't we.

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Already said spoiler.
Yeah.

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All right, so let's go to the
car accident again.

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I think they did a really good
job of portraying something like

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this that scene in general, like
finding out one what the kind of

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world or neighboring places
thought the hex was.

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It was an Avengers training
exercise gone wrong.

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It's an anomaly, they it's.
Whatever the government tells

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you it is.
Right.

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Or SWORD, do you think?
Sorry, side note, I feel like I

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got a Lily a premonition.
Do you think that Monica was

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protecting Wanda in some way by
like, I don't know 'cause it

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would be weird if like who said
that it was an Avengers

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exercise?
Like who is trying to cover that

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up for Wanda?
That's true.

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Aside from the person that runs
sword now would interesting

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anyway, side note to the car
accident.

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I let's get into one of my
things that I feel like is I'm

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not too sure how to feel about
it and I'm open to hearing what

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others again, we're not Jewish,
right.

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William is a Jewish boy grew up
Jewish, obviously just out of

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bar mitzvah.
He passes away.

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Then Billy takes the empty
vessel.

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So did they keep that part of
the character or is right now it

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not you know what I mean.
So like, I know that there has

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been some like, discourse online
and stuff about like, erasing,

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you know, some Rwanda's heritage
and then also the Jewish nature

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of Wiccan.
The creator of Wiccan is a gay

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Jewish man.
So it's like it's very important

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to the character.
So I think what this team had to

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do was simplify a very complex
and crazy origin in the comics.

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And it feels interesting to me
because then kill that

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character.
Yeah, because there is something

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in the comics right where Billy
is William Kaplan, but it's not

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through death.
Well, yes, So yes, so it's not

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like this.
It's not like taking over the

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body of somebody else.
Long story short, and this is

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the easiest possible way, I've
said it a little bit before,

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I'll say it this time, their
souls, Tommy and Billy actually

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were part of Mephisto, blah blah
blah.

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Agatha makes Wanda forget about
the kids.

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They're actually there.
Anything they get released from

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Mephisto because those parts of
the soul shards, whatever fought

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back, they get reincarnated into
new people.

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But they are them.
They are born, right, But

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separate families.
So they don't even like get in

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the same family, separate
families.

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Billy Kaplan is raised as Billy
Kaplan, a Jewish kid, Jewish

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family, 'cause that's where he
was born, right?

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Tommy, raised by a different
family, everything.

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And then it's not until later
when they all kind of converge

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and it's like, oh, we're
related.

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I'm not really a Kaplan.
I am, but I'm not.

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I'm also Wanda's son.
So in this, it's not that way

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because as far as we know, there
are some lines that I do think

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is interesting, but William is
dead and Billy took over the

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place of the body again.
I'm going to be interested to

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see how it ends, right?
Because if there is a line, I

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believe that.
I can't remember when Billy says

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it in the episode, but he says
something of like, oh, I think

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he's talking to Eddie and
Eddie's like, well, who are you?

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And he's like, I'm like Billy or
mostly like he said something

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like that where he's like I'm
mostly Billy or like I'm not

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just Billy.
So I'm curious if is William

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still there somewhere or is he
completely gone?

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I know we do hear the heartbeat
and it stops and then it starts

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again when Billy is there and he
yells Tommy.

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So it's like, I feel like on the
surface it's like William is

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dead and Billy's there.
But then what does that mean?

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I.
Would love to hear it from

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someone who is Jewish and hear
what their perspective is for

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sure.
Right.

425
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,400
Yeah.
So back to the car accident.

426
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,160
It was devastating.
I think that, like, I didn't

427
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,080
expect it to be as violent as it
was.

428
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,080
And especially just hearing
Rebecca being like, I can't get

429
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,880
to him.
I was just like, geez, like this

430
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,360
is oh God, like this got dark
because it was all like happy

431
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:31,600
and heart stoppery with all the
neon and everything.

432
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,440
And then it was like.
And we're back in Agatha along.

433
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,520
Yeah, I, I appreciate the detail
of us.

434
00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,280
You know, when when you're when
you're seeing teen, right.

435
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,280
He has that piece of his eyebrow
that's gone.

436
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,960
And it's always thinking like,
oh, it's just a cool teen thing

437
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,160
to do to shave your eyebrow.
But that's actually where he hit

438
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,800
his head on the piece of the
door that killed him.

439
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,280
So I, I, I appreciated that
detail and us seeing that

440
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,520
connection there between his
depiction.

441
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,120
But yeah, it's really, it's
incredibly devastating in the

442
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,760
fact that they think they have
their son back, but in reality

443
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,920
he's not in there anymore.
That is I think the most

444
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,280
devastating and heartbreaking
thing about this episode because

445
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,840
even after he's recovering and
goes back home and you know, we

446
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,720
get to see a little bit more of
how his powers work because we

447
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,320
saw it in one division of him
being able to hear people.

448
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,400
And in this, it seems from what
he said, people that he's close

449
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,280
to.
And it seems like high emotion

450
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,280
is when he really can hear it.
But just like him hearing how

451
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,440
it's affecting these strangers
who are supposed to be his

452
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,360
parents but aren't his parents
and him just wanting to kind of

453
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:41,360
placate to them.
And when he goes into the when

454
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:43,480
he goes in front of the mirror
and he's like, I am William

455
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,920
Kaplan, I'm William Kaplan.
William Kaplan.

456
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,760
That is devastating because his
last memory, or at least when he

457
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,600
woke up, was when they
disappeared in the finale of

458
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,000
Wanda Vision.
And it's like, So what?

459
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,880
What is he supposed to think,
right?

460
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,680
He's like the body of a 10 year
old going into a 13 year old and

461
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,080
then having to age.
But it's, it's also interesting

462
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:11,560
to think about Billy as a
character in knowing that it's

463
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,800
almost like he can't blow his
cover because he needs to

464
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,520
survive, right?
Instead of being like, I'm not

465
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,360
William, you know?
But also like, what does he

466
00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,440
know?
You know what it is like, how

467
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,480
it's like, What am I even
supposed to do, even if I don't

468
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,800
want to believe it as a child?
Well, he knows Tommy is his

469
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,960
brother, but he doesn't
necessarily know that Wanda is

470
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,560
his mom.
Well, that's what's interesting.

471
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:33,920
I don't he doesn't know any of
that.

472
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:35,360
So he.
Just knows that he's calling out

473
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:36,280
for Tommy.
Right.

474
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,640
But I think he he kind of always
had that in his head.

475
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,000
And it wasn't until he spoke to
a particular character, Skip

476
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,120
Westview, later on, where when
he hears that there was twins,

477
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:49,200
Billy and Tommy, he's like my
brother O Wanda O Vision.

478
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,040
So I don't think he like puts
the pieces together until

479
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,520
they're laid out in front of
him.

480
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,120
It is interesting.
I'm curious if being going into

481
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,840
that body caused the amnesia or
was it the sigil?

482
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,240
Or was it just the act of
disappearing and then

483
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,960
reappearing in a body?
It is interesting to know that

484
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:13,160
like he doesn't have any
memories of William or Westview.

485
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,920
Everything started in that car
crash.

486
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,120
It's interesting how amnesia
works.

487
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,960
Yeah, if it isn't even is
amnesia, it's just.

488
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,960
I don't even know.
He was once one thing and now

489
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,200
he's just another.
Yikes.

490
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,120
Yeah.
Beyond amnesia.

491
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:35,800
Yeah, it's life, Erasia.
Flash forward to three years

492
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:41,200
later.
We have our delightful Billiam

493
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,200
in love with Eddie Boyf is Real,
which I think is very exciting

494
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,360
for us.
And of course, the depiction of

495
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,880
young gay teen love is
delightful.

496
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,200
It's always nice to see,
especially in a Marvel property.

497
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,880
I feel like we don't get it
much.

498
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,720
We get little tiny snippets.
So it's good to see Joe Locke

499
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,240
coming over to Marvel and be
like, Nope, I'm going to get

500
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,720
this up.
I'm going to get up a little

501
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,000
bit.
I'm going to make a joke about

502
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,960
not going in the closet again
and it's going to be good.

503
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,600
Yeah, and I love the thought
that his parents love Eddie.

504
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,240
Eddie's a part of their life.
Obviously they didn't have a

505
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,680
problem with him coming out.
And that was like another

506
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,440
thought that I had was like, was
William gay?

507
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,000
Oh, maybe you know what I mean?
Or was he not gay?

508
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,080
But because Billy was gay, you
know what I mean?

509
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,320
It was just like he was still
pretty.

510
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,160
Young, so I don't know, 13 maybe
or maybe not.

511
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,080
Well, you know it.
It's not a my question is not

512
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,360
whether or not he's out of the
closet.

513
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,720
It was whether he was gay or
not, you know.

514
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,480
I mean, who knows, but I it it
is nice to see that the parents

515
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:44,160
really do are accepting of that,
even making his favorite roast

516
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,200
and air fryer potatoes or I
think it was air fried potatoes

517
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,800
or something like that, like
fried potatoes.

518
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,920
It's really nice.
The Kaplans deserve the world.

519
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:58,040
They are delightful.
OK, And yet their somewhat son

520
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,720
is off gallivanting with
witches.

521
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,560
I was part of me was just like,
oh, Eddie is close to Teddy.

522
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,760
Teddy is Hoekling and Wiggins
counterpart.

523
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,880
I was like, I don't think
they're not going to do that.

524
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,720
There's no way that they would
be like his name went from Eddie

525
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,520
to Teddy.
I feel like it's just similar

526
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,000
for whatever reason, they're
just.

527
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000
Playing with us again, they're
doing that.

528
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,040
One of the things that I like so
much about Eddie, though, is

529
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,520
that he's willing to accept
everything about Billy, right?

530
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,240
Billy's like, oh, it's a sigil.
I'm discovering things about

531
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,520
myself, I'm doing research.
And he's like, OK, yeah, I'm

532
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,040
going along with all of it.
Yeah, he even will meet a

533
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,160
complete stranger in a DART
parking garage instead of

534
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,760
meeting anywhere else.
But going with him to meet a

535
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,960
stranger online?
Literally the opposite of what

536
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,160
everybody has told anybody to
do, right?

537
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,560
He's like, sure, I'll go with
you.

538
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,080
Yeah, you know, it's fine.
They'll be OK.

539
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,640
And of course, that introduces
once again the man of the hour,

540
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,320
the mystery, the legend, Mr.
Boner himself.

541
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,280
I can't believe they were like,
you're going to get boned twice,

542
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,320
you're going to get boned twice.
Having Evan Peters come back is

543
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,440
insane.
I actually have more respect for

544
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,840
the people doing the show and I
have more confidence in them.

545
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,160
The fact that they brought this
character back because this

546
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,200
character, we've said it, I've
said it, I said it when we were

547
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,920
starting this again of that was
the biggest misstep in Wanda

548
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,800
Vision was the Ralph Bonner
character and the fact that they

549
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,880
brought him back and they were
like, no, no, no, the story's

550
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,480
not over.
That was the worst thing.

551
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,560
We heard you, but we're going to
bring it into this.

552
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,320
And so the fact that they had
that confidence, I'm like, OK, I

553
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,640
see you guys.
I did love the detail of in

554
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,920
Wanda Vision, we saw that he was
an actor, we saw his headshot

555
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,400
and in this he's still an actor.
He's just been driven, you know,

556
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,960
mad because of his Wanda
experience.

557
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,360
He has a one man show in
Paramus.

558
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,800
Hello.
He needs to fill the seats.

559
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,640
Someone's got to come.
It's really sad.

560
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,960
He's off, off, off, off, off
Broadway.

561
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,640
Another state, yeah.
Over.

562
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,120
I I actually really like this
character more.

563
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,440
Not it's sad thinking that like
he's gone down the spiraling

564
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,800
path and he's like super
paranoid and has like chicken

565
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,120
bone crosses on his bucket hats
now.

566
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,840
But if we're still going off of
like those horror movie tropes

567
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,080
that they've been sprinkling
through this or those fantasy

568
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,280
witch tropes, he is that guy in
the horror movies that has that

569
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,200
lore or that back story.
You need to go forward or get

570
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,720
that revelation.
He is that person A. 100%.

571
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,200
Always a crazy person like that
or I shouldn't say crazy

572
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,480
paranoid and like manic person.
So it was just really funny to

573
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,320
see Boner be that character and
also Pepper and all these jokes.

574
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,880
So much fun.
Yeah, yeah.

575
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,280
And I mean, obviously, other
than the humor and just having

576
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,720
Evan Peters back.
It's to release the name of

577
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,440
Agatha Harkness on to Billy.
And also he killed Sparky.

578
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,120
That's true.
He poisoned a dog he didn't want

579
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,080
to.
No, he.

580
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,120
Didn't want to.
And his physical media

581
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,840
collection was left behind,
which we can see when Agatha

582
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,760
puts him in the closet.
Bunch of.

583
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,920
Blue rays is blue rays.
The fact that Agatha is only

584
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,680
wearing his clothes is crazy.
Yes, that is true.

585
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,440
Through this entire thing, that
is true.

586
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,560
She is still he.
She just took over his house,

587
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,520
drove down the market value and
he's wearing his clothes.

588
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,920
I live here now.
This is where I live.

589
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,280
Oh, poor Ralph.
How did he even start over?

590
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,280
I mean, that's the story they
need to tell.

591
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,920
How did Ralph pick himself up by
the bootstraps?

592
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,440
I don't start over.
Did he pick himself up though?

593
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,840
I feel like he's still crawling.
Well, he's wearing clothes, so

594
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,040
that's good.
He is.

595
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,800
He doesn't have the puka shell
necklace on anymore.

596
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:46,200
We can celebrate that.
So so post bonering, it's the

597
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,000
search for Agatha.
I thought this episode did a

598
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,800
really good job.
The the beginning half was

599
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,640
obviously very compelling and
beautifully done.

600
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,480
The second-half is like, it's a
lot because it it time skips a

601
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,800
little bit and I feel like they
needed to do that.

602
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,840
There's this thing that shows
could fall into of like over

603
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,560
explaining something that we
kind of know already.

604
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,920
And I'm glad that they they
jumped it a little bit.

605
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,880
It was like, OK, I'm going to go
research Agatha Harkness.

606
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,680
Here's all of these things that
I found clicking random links on

607
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,600
the Internet like that's.
That's risky.

608
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,400
That's a virus waiting to
happen.

609
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,560
But I can we talk about just the
Internet searching this of it,

610
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,520
because we got some revelations
about Agatha.

611
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,640
The lore.
The lore of Agatha and like her

612
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,680
also being like stalked online
or people keeping tabs of them

613
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,920
is pretty realistic I feel.
Yeah, there's always those

614
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,160
sections of Internet where it's
just like, wow.

615
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,880
Yeah, I liked Bruhapedia, which
is where he found one of the

616
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,400
main things.
But let's see.

617
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,560
Agatha of course survived the
Salem witch trials, which was

618
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,280
like duh, caused the Hindenburg
disaster.

619
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,800
I also saw maybe the Titanic she
caused as well.

620
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,480
And is Jolene is.
Jolene Yeah, I I want to just

621
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,200
list the fun facts about Agatha
that were on the website.

622
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,120
Murdered her entire coven,
possesses succubus powers.

623
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,920
Nickname is witch killer
exclamation point.

624
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,320
Only known survivor of the
witch's road.

625
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,640
Those are great fun facts.
Yeah, no notes.

626
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,800
I don't question any of those.
I think they're all very

627
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,400
accurate.
So not to bring up a certain,

628
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,280
you know, green witch Rio with
all of those, because I know in

629
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,440
this episode they she like does
her body count and stuff like

630
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,240
that.
I, I'm actually curious is I

631
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:44,160
don't know if she caused those
things or she was dating death

632
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,880
and she just went along for the
ride as Rio was claiming those

633
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,720
souls because in the, in Alice's
trial, she talked about claiming

634
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,760
souls or claiming what's hers.
And so it seems like that's kind

635
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,560
of her MO.
So I don't know that's.

636
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,960
A very good point.
I don't know if Agatha actually

637
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,840
did it because she doesn't seem
like the type of person that's

638
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,440
going to be like, you know what,
I'm going to kill this whole

639
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,920
boat full of people.
You know she would only be there

640
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,280
because it was a mass, you know,
event She's.

641
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,360
Just hanging out.
Yeah, basically Rio's like, you

642
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,920
want to go see this?
And she's like, sure.

643
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,200
Yeah, It's like when you're
newly dating someone when you're

644
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,320
younger and they're like, oh, do
you want to come hang out while

645
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,280
I work?
That's what they were doing.

646
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:25,560
Yeah.
You know, you just like, sit in

647
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,160
the store while they're actually
working.

648
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,640
She's going through the
centuries, going to every

649
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,920
horrible incident.
Yeah, she's.

650
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,240
Got none better to do than watch
her girlfriend murder people.

651
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,720
In this when he finally goes and
sees Agatha right?

652
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,480
I liked the alternate view of
the first episode because when

653
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,840
we got the boner family reunion
pitch a tent fantastic.

654
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,680
Marvel needs to make that AT
shirt.

655
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,160
Like, I don't want these like
Etsy versions of them.

656
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,880
I want Marvel themselves to make
that a picture.

657
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,680
But just seeing how like, it
wasn't Rolling Rock that she

658
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,520
gave to Rio.
It was just two mugs.

659
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,400
Like Rio was never there.
As far as what we could see,

660
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,679
everything took place in the
house.

661
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,239
It's so silly.
Yes, I mean, I think we talked

662
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,840
about this in the first episode
when we realized, you know, when

663
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,719
there is that reveal that when
she's like trying to show him

664
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,760
the pictures of the body, but
it's really just the flowers

665
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,000
that like these neighbors are
just be like, Oh my God, Agatha

666
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,679
is in the front yard.
She's taking pictures.

667
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,120
She's like just leave her, just
let her just let her do her

668
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,080
thing go away.
Exactly.

669
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,600
So it's just like Agatha has
been, she's just been living in

670
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,920
this like alternate reality than
everybody else.

671
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,080
I love that her accent kept
going in and out.

672
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:41,920
I love the poking, the bear bit,
the pen bit.

673
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,760
It's just so funny.
I mean, it's Catherine Hahn

674
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,159
doing what she does.
Yes, the fact that she thinks

675
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,960
she has a gun in a holster, but
it's like I think like a like a

676
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,320
caulk gun or something, or maybe
like a hose I think.

677
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,320
It's a hose.
Like Oh my gosh, what?

678
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,880
Are those called hose sprayers?
Nozzle.

679
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,320
A hose head?
What are those called?

680
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,520
Hosiers.
I don't think I've ever really

681
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,120
realized a sprayer.
A sprayer.

682
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,640
Hose spray.
Yeah, That doesn't sound right.

683
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,280
Yeah.
OK, we'll leave it.

684
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:15,640
They did funny things.
They did forgetting really

685
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,760
clever and I love seeing online
people actually playing the two

686
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,880
scenes side by side, Agatha's
view and then his view and it

687
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,120
just I, I love stuff like that
because the planning and that

688
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,560
just always makes me so happy to
see it because it was just

689
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,880
executed really well.
It was really good.

690
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,320
And I, I love that.
There was a moment, I think it's

691
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,280
the poking the bear bit where
you can see Billy or Joe Locke,

692
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,120
one of the two, laughing a
little bit like he's just has

693
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,520
this smile and he's just like,
oh, OK, I'm going to play along

694
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,880
with this.
OK, so let's move on from this.

695
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,480
I want to go to theory corner
theory section, theory time

696
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:57,040
before we get to the very last
bit of this something that I

697
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,000
feel like we have.
I have been dancing around a

698
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,840
little bit without really
outright theorizing it because I

699
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,320
felt like maybe it was familiar
territory.

700
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,720
Whatever.
Are we on the Witches Rd.

701
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,720
Are we somewhere else?
What do you think about the idea

702
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:21,960
of this being the road or not?
Is this just Billy all along?

703
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,480
Like, do you think this is just
another heck situation?

704
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,800
But it's Billy.
I think it's definitely

705
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,120
plausible, right?
Because when we look at William

706
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,600
slash Billy's bedroom and we see
all the movies that are on the

707
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,000
posters around his room, you
could easily see how with each

708
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,800
of the trials, he has pulled
something from each of those

709
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,280
things that he loves so much.
You know, one of the things that

710
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,760
we both noticed even in
William's room when he first

711
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,240
goes up there is that there's a
Wizard of Oz poster figures and

712
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,920
also the book collection on his
desk.

713
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,080
And so the Witch's Road could
very easily just be his

714
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,240
depiction of the yellow brick
road in Oz.

715
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,720
The ones the posters and stuff
that I found in the room that I

716
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:09,000
could see the The Black
Cauldron, Bedknobs and

717
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,720
Broomsticks.
The Wizard of Oz goofballs,

718
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,320
which is the Goonies.
I don't know why they had to

719
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,320
change that one name.
Alice in Wonderland, Moon phases

720
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,960
on the chair, Houdini posters.
Evanescence.

721
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,160
The Craft.
The craft, those are the ones

722
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,520
that I saw, but it's very much
like we've gotten hints and

723
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,640
little things of this in each of
the trials and even looking back

724
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,920
at the trials, all of them have
been solved.

725
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,120
I think he may have said this in
the last one or maybe the one

726
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,840
before that, but like they all
have been solved by him.

727
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,960
Like he is the key component to
solve them.

728
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,520
And the first one, his blood was
needed to solve it.

729
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,480
The O him being injured and
Alice's was the reason for it to

730
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,080
continue and to get off the road
and to continue that way.

731
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,920
What was the last one?
What's the last try O Agatha's

732
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,160
when he wasn't supposed to touch
the board by himself, but he

733
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,400
did, said Nicholas.
Scratch the door opened, right?

734
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,120
It's it's it's very interesting.
Also, why would that have been

735
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,480
Agatha's trial, right?
The 80s?

736
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,760
That seems like somebody that is
a consumer, Billy that is doing

737
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,120
it.
Yeah, it really, you know, all

738
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,000
along we've been thinking that
Agatha is the one leading this,

739
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,680
but in reality, it's just
Billy's trial.

740
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,320
And so when we think of
Agatha's, you know, being the

741
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,000
only one to survive the witch's
road, you know, whether it was

742
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,080
her or with one other witch,
does that bode well for this

743
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,040
group of witches, this coven
that's together in that Billy is

744
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,760
ultimately going to be the sole
survivor, but how many of them

745
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,040
are going to perish because of
it?

746
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,800
That right, And it's like, are
they even on the road?

747
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,840
I know that there's a whole
thing of like the road changes

748
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:53,640
for the coven, but I don't know,
I feel like a seasoned witch.

749
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,240
Also Rios there.
I feel like her introduction

750
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:58,720
makes a little more sense of
when she first came on the road

751
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:00,480
of how she was checking things
out.

752
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,160
It wasn't like a oh, this is the
road.

753
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,280
It was more of like, oh, this is
what's happening.

754
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,160
And then there's that line with
Agatha where she's like, I

755
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,160
didn't think you had it in you.
And then Billy was the next one

756
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,680
to talk to her and she's like
nothing.

757
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,680
So it's almost like she kind of
knew because I'm sorry, I'm, I'm

758
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,000
getting ahead of myself.
In the end of this episode, she

759
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,840
says that you and your mom have
a tell and he's like, what's the

760
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,360
tell?
Like, I'm not going to tell you.

761
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,000
So it's like it's almost like
she kind of had a feeling like

762
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,760
she said she kind of knew who he
was.

763
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,280
But the fact of like Sharon
dying, she's like, I didn't

764
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,640
think you had it in you.
Was more of like, oh, like

765
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,440
you're going to go to these
lengths, right, Just like her,

766
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,520
his mother went.
So it's really interesting.

767
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,360
I'm like, I don't.
Is this another Wanda Vision

768
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,200
situation?
I know they went down, right?

769
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,400
What did Sharon Davis said?
She's part of the Historical

770
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,960
Society.
Oh, I thought the only thing

771
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,280
down here would be the old
public transit system.

772
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,000
Are they just in the public
transit system system and Billy

773
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,000
is manipulating it?
That's an interesting thing.

774
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,280
Magic on autopilot.
He can't even control it.

775
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,880
He doesn't even know.
I think if that theory is what

776
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,640
we're doing right, and Agatha or
Rio is there to claim the souls

777
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,000
of all these people that should
have perished, whatever, why

778
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,920
would Agatha go along with it if
she wasn't 100% certain?

779
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,840
Like this was or wasn't Billy?
I don't.

780
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,640
I'm not too sure if it's power.
Right, that's what I was

781
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,560
thinking.
It's just the the hopes of her

782
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,160
in some way getting her power
back.

783
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,200
Curiosity.
She's got nothing else going on.

784
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,400
She's finally for him to.
I mean, and then but what's to

785
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,880
say that the Salem Seven really
aren't like going after her, so

786
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,800
she does need to escape in some
way?

787
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,120
That could also.
That could be happening.

788
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,080
And that's just a thing because.
Right.

789
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,640
Because the door didn't open
until Billy went down there.

790
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,360
So it wasn't until he was like
in a heightened state that maybe

791
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,240
his abilities worked in some
way.

792
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,600
Just like what happened with
Agatha when he pushed everybody

793
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,320
away was when he was like,
really pissed off and angry.

794
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,240
I'm curious if.
I mean, it is annoying that his

795
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:09,920
powers don't work right now, but
it's like, OK, he has to be mad.

796
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,760
Yeah.
And.

797
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,680
I know it's very, it's it's like
you could really go down that

798
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,440
road in particular of like, when
did he realize?

799
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,920
How did he not know?
Did he just realize now because

800
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,920
the sigil was broken or you
know, so it's that is confusing

801
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,760
that whole part of it.
I think, you know, there's

802
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,680
something that happens in the
end conversation with Agatha and

803
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,240
Teen or Billy on the road
because it made sure to play

804
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:39,120
that part of like, I want to.
I'm after power.

805
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,040
I want to go on the richest Rd.
You need to take me.

806
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,640
Obviously.
He was like talking to what she

807
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,520
would want to hear and she mocks
him in this episode like power.

808
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,440
That's all I wanted.
It's like, what does Billy

809
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,400
Maximoff want at the end of the
road?

810
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,920
And I do think it's important to
remember that the road doesn't

811
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,640
give you what you want.
It gives you what you're

812
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,280
missing.
And is that Tommy or Toby, as

813
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:08,160
Agatha said?
Is it just the knowledge of like

814
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,160
his past life and also William?
Is there an opportunity for

815
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,080
William and Billy to be in the
same vessel at the same time?

816
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,600
Right.
What is exactly missing?

817
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,360
And I think that this show isn't
going to have like another CGI

818
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,040
battle like it did with Agatha
and Wanda.

819
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,520
I think it's going to be about
decisions.

820
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,840
I think it's like something is
going to have to be decided.

821
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,080
One of the things that I'm a
little worried about is, you

822
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,240
know, in looking at Agatha's
past, for some reason she had to

823
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,760
give up her son, right, to get
the power that she wanted.

824
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,520
I'm worried that if this is some
sort of Rd. if, if Billy is

825
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,600
going to have to make a decision
and the one that we know that he

826
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,320
truly loves right now is Eddie.
So is he going to have to

827
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,240
sacrifice Eddie in some way to
get what he truly wants?

828
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:05,560
So you're saying it's it's one
of those like old or I guess the

829
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,040
the common thing in magic you
have to give to get.

830
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,600
Yeah, I'm just, yeah, I don't
I'm it's OK.

831
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,360
So if I think if it is a road,
if it is the witch's road, it's

832
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,400
going to be a little more
nuanced, right?

833
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,640
If it is Billy and he does have
the same abilities as his

834
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,760
mother, he could manifest, I
guess, whatever he wanted.

835
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,280
But then what does that mean,
right?

836
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,240
If this is Billy all along, what
would possibly be at the end of

837
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:34,960
his road, Right.
So I think that is is maybe that

838
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,440
theory doesn't completely check
out right?

839
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,880
Because if they get to the end
of this road, I guess it's more

840
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,000
of like you just had to unlock
yourself this whole time.

841
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,400
And there is that scene of him
and Agatha in that room and she

842
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,000
has his her hands on his head
and it's like something intense

843
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,400
is happening.
But it's like, is this just so

844
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,440
that way he can become a whole
person, which I think it's nice.

845
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,760
Yeah, it's lovely.
But do you think we'll see,

846
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,560
Tommy?
That's, and that was a question

847
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,600
that I was wondering myself.
And then again, this kind of

848
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,600
gets into our early conversation
of, OK, so let's say he finds

849
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,680
Tommy.
What does that mean for this as

850
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,960
a whole?
Now they're reunited?

851
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,560
Well, cuz he, well, let's, let's
think back on what he wrote on

852
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,880
that pad, right?
It's like, I think he wrote like

853
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,400
Wanda Maximoff dead, dead,
Vision dismantled.

854
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,480
Yeah.
And then Billy Maximoff, Tommy

855
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:35,600
missing.
So that is interesting.

856
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,400
I know again, I don't know if
this is Boilers or not for the

857
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,760
Vision show they are casting for
a young teen, but if they're

858
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,080
going to go off of like Tom
King's vision, Vision does make

859
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:48,960
a fancy and have.
Kids.

860
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,760
Exactly.
So is that going to be Tommy or

861
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,600
is it going to be Viv or
somebody else?

862
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,000
So it's going to be interesting.
I'm curious if we will see Tommy

863
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,480
or get like a hint of like Tommy
and then Agatha is going to be

864
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,480
try to become a good person and
mentor and help Tommy or Billy.

865
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:06,320
Who is it?
Who?

866
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,160
So I'm I, I don't know.
Yeah.

867
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,400
But I how do you feel?
One of the last questions I'll

868
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,560
ask you, how do you feel if this
is another kind of Wanda Vision

869
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,120
2 point O and this was Billy all
along creating this hex.

870
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,480
How would you feel about that?
Because that's the theory that

871
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,200
I'm sticking to right now.
I mean, I think it would be, I

872
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,040
don't think it would necessarily
be a let down.

873
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,520
I do think though, that it would
mean that he was a lot more

874
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,000
powerful than we all thought.
And I think that's kind of cool.

875
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,400
I mean, that's the whole thing
with the show is that you never

876
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,800
really know what's going on.
So I'm not holding true that it

877
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,360
is actually the witch's road.
I think that I'm all along for

878
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,720
the journey and whatever it ends
up being, I'm going to be kind

879
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,760
of like, OK, if they explain it
well, I, I see where they were

880
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:00,440
coming from.
I.

881
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,200
Do feel like if it is another
Wanda Vision 2 point O, it's not

882
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,520
going to be like copy and paste,
obviously, but I I feel like the

883
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,080
execution is going to mean a lot
because after this one, it's

884
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,680
like he saw all the witches
beforehand, all his room.

885
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:16,880
You know, it's it's just like
old little baby Wanda watching

886
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,720
those shows, watching those
shows.

887
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,720
It's like, oh, that's why she
chose those shows, right.

888
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:25,600
That was very much this moment,
so it's going to be interesting

889
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,280
to see how that plays out.
Maybe it's a mix of both.

890
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:29,720
Yeah.
I, I don't know.

891
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,040
Who knows?
Oh God.

892
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,520
Three episodes left, two weeks.
A lot, a lot.

893
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,360
All right, well, Lilia's trials
next, I'm pretty sure.

894
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,760
I'm curious if we're going to
get a, an A Rio Agatha back

895
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,080
story.
I hope we do, because I don't

896
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,720
know when we're going to see
these characters next.

897
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,040
I just I want more of them.
I know it.

898
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,840
It is sort of sad to think about
if, like the these coven

899
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,080
members, if we ever will see
them again.

900
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,000
They just need to make sure they
flush out the whole magical side

901
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,600
of the MCU because I need all of
them constantly.

902
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,960
Yeah, that could just be its own
separate phase.

903
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,600
They could do like the Strange
Academy, make it into a show,

904
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,360
but have like each one of these
witches be a teacher.

905
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,960
There you go.
Delightful, great way to get new

906
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,480
characters and see old ones.
They've all, they've all found a

907
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,400
new home and it's together.
Yeah, I love that.

908
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,360
Well, let us know your thoughts,
what you thought about it, your

909
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,720
theories on Discord, ABO nipples
at Gmail.

910
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:30,880
You can send an e-mail in.
Yeah, we have 3 episodes left,

911
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,320
guys.
We're in it.

912
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,240
It's going to happen.
Glenn is coming.

913
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,360
Oh yeah, all right, next time.
Bye.