Agatha All Along Episodes 1 & 2 Review

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Hey witches, it's your favorite
witch and familiar.

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I'm the familiar.
Derek is the witch.

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I'm magical.
Oh my God.

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Hi.
How are you Agatha all along?

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We are here.
The first official spin off of

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an MCU show, right?
Yeah, I would say this.

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And the first MCU show too.
And it's another none other than

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Agatha all along.
That's amazing.

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That's very happy.
I we were looking forward to

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this for a while.
So it's finally here.

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Spooky season, witch season.
All of the Halloween feels are

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in full effect.
The last day of summer is

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happening.
It's all happening, guys.

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So long summer, but that's OK
because this, they just timed

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this perfectly.
It's going to run throughout

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October as the leaves are
falling.

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We will be on a magical
adventure with Agatha.

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We're back in our Wanda Vision
phase.

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This is going to be fun.
All the way back to 2020.

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Oh God, no.
Thank you.

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Moving on.
So before we get into

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Hi, how are you?
Love you.

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Yeah, but going ahead, spoilers,
spoilers, spoilers, spoilers

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major.
Spoilers.

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If you have not seen One
Division, if you're not seeing

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the MCU, if you're not seeing
Agatha All Along episode 1 and

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2.
If you haven't seen Heart

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Stopper, I feel like we just
need to put that in there.

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Probably That 70s Show if.
You've never seen anything.

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Ever.
Continue listening.

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Yeah, exactly.
Any sort of Danish crime drama

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or something, right?
So let us officially take a bite

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of Agatha All along.
Episode 1 Seekest Thou Rd.

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directed by Jack Schaefer and
written by Jack Schaefer, Jason

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Rostovsky and Gianna Sarkis and
Episode 2 Circle Sewn with Fate,

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Unlock Thy Hidden Gate, also
directed by Jack Schaefer and

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written by Laura Donnie, Jack
Schaefer and Jason Rostovsky.

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Agnes O'Connor is a hard boiled
detective on the case of a Jane

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Doe who appeared barefoot in the
Forest of Westview.

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When Agent Rio Vidal tries to
take over and a mysterious teen

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shows up, the veil is lifted and
Agatha emerges from the curse

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placed on her by Wanda Maximoff.
Teen convinces the newly freed

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Agatha to take a walk down the
witch's road to gain her powers

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back.
She convinces the coven to come

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together to sing a song that
leads them to a frightening

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forest.
Oh, that was a mouthful in the

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beginning.
Luckily, you don't have to do

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that until the penultimate
episode and the finale.

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Yeah, the double S that's when
it gets tough.

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Yeah, but I made it through.
So before we get into like I

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guess the technical aspect of
it, of us getting 9 episodes

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again, us getting a double
feature book ending this, how

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did you feel about the premiere
and 2nd episode of Agatha all

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along?
I think they did a really great

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job of bridging over the themes
of Wanda Vision into this

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series, especially starting it
off as another homage to a type

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of television show, right?
It really kind of brought us

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back into that world, back into
Westview and to really figure

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out what's been going on with
Agatha.

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And so that, you know, as the
introduction as the first

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episode was fantastic.
And I think the second episode

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really set up the rest of the
series.

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So this acting as a bridge for
both Wanda Vision into the full

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season of Agatha all along. 2
thumbs up for sure.

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Yeah, that's pretty much how I
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I I really enjoyed the first
season because it felt familiar,

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even though it wasn't sitcomy,
right.

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I do feel like maybe that's
because Wanda is gone, the dark

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hold is missing, and she was
able to cross over from the

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sitcoms into like, HBO land.
It was fun because we got to get

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back into that and then the
second episode really was just

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like, this is what the show is
going to be about, or at least

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the story arc.
I liked the second episode more

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than the first, but I like both
of them just as much.

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I think Katherine Hahn is the
perfect actor and AG of the

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Harkness is one of the perfect
characters to have a spin off

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and to carry it.
This cast is just amazing.

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I think I've loved every single
person in this, so it just makes

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me more excited.
Also witches.

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Yeah, like you can tell that
everybody that worked on this

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likes witchy things.
Absolutely, and I also like

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beside I would say, you know,
our neighbors in Westview, I

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loved looking at this cast of
five women, a queer teenager and

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a Bunny like that is and and
then, you know, that's just like

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perfect for me.
Well, it's also it.

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It's in that aspect, it's kind
of awesome that you have this

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cast of women that are running
it, right?

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And it's women of all ages and
colors and sizes and shapes.

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So it's just really cool to see.
It's not something that you

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would expect from a superhero
studio.

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I'm glad we have it.
Absolutely.

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I'm super glad we have it.
And, you know, seeing some

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reactions of people who are
like, it's a training ground for

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queer kids or something like
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Yes no, I think I there is
something you know they were

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saying it all the press tour and
everything leading up to this

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was like this is like the queers
MCU thing.

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This is like you know witchy and
all of this and it feels that

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way right and I think in the
best possible sense again, it's

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only been 2 episodes.
Granted they were around 46 ish

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minutes, but I feel that because
there's moments in the show

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where you're just like.
I don't know if that was queer

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coded or not, but like kind of
hot.

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Yeah, I mean, there's that one
conversation between Kathryn

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Hahn and Aubrey Plaza.
It got hot.

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It got real.
Steamy.

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Oh yeah.
OK, Before we get into like

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specifics, I have to know
between these two episodes, do

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you have a favorite scene in
these two episodes?

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My favorite scene is the kitchen
fight.

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Oh, with Rio and.
Agatha yes, yeah, 'cause it was

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just so badass.
I mean, the stunt work was

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fantastic, the choreography was
great, and it really did have

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that push and pull of, you know,
for lack of a better term, you

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know, villain slash lovers.
You know, it felt like there was

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tension there, not only as we
were once adversaries, but maybe

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there was something deeper going
on.

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And just seeing the strength of
Agatha, you know, that's one

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thing that I just want to say is
this is really exciting to see

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who Agatha actually is, right?
Because in one division, Agatha

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was playing a role the entire
time, right?

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She was the nosy neighbor, and
she knew what she was doing.

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Whereas here, you know, after
our crime drama, we're actually

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getting to see Katherine Hahn's
version of Agatha.

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Well, we're getting to see
Agatha, I think, without the, I

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guess, focus or drive to steal
the Scarlet Witch's power.

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So it's like, oh, now we're
getting like back story.

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Who is Rigo to Agatha?
What did she do with children's?

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Because multiple times there was
child sacrifice brought up.

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So it's like what is happening
with Agatha?

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Who is she?
I I mean, from what we know,

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right, she was willing to kill
her mother to get supreme power.

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So, you know, apparently we
learned in one division she bit

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a child once, and we learned in
this she ate a baby.

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Yeah, and sacrificed a child.
So, you know, she's she's an

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interesting character.
What What was your favorite

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part?
Yeah, Oh God, it's really hard.

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I honestly think it's so it's in
the first episode, her going

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through all of her outfits and
clawing her way out of Wanda's

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hex essentially, or her curse or
a spell, whatever you want to

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call it.
I just thought it was so cool.

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And it was that bridge, that
transition from Wanda Vision

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into the show of Agatha
Darkness.

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I just liked it.
And it was cool to relive some

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of those costumes again.
And just that final scene of her

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in black and white, but
everything else in color.

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It's like, yeah, I love that.
I like, I just love that.

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It's so cool.
It's so unique.

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And then we finally get, yeah,
Agatha.

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And I loved at in the last, like
her original costume from Wanda

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Vision in the black and white.
She kind of took a moment.

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Right.
She's still like in it, right.

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She's in this like weird hazy
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Even when she was like coming
out of it.

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Yeah.
And it.

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But she was just like, oh.
And it felt like, like for us,

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it was like, this is how I was
first introduced to you and now

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this is who I really am.
I did have one question about

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that scene.
When in Wanda Vision, was she

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wearing a Juicy Couture
tracksuit that said naughty on

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her butt?
It was oh man, I think it might

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have been like the Modern Family
era one.

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Oh.
I I remember it briefly.

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It, it almost felt to me like an
Easter egg of some sort, like

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maybe we missed something or
there was a scene that was cut

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out because I didn't remember
that one.

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I remember I remember mostly the
top half because I don't think

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they showed her butt mostly
until they actually showed her

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butt in this series.
But yeah, I I do remember it.

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Not like super well, but I
remember it in one division.

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We just rewatched it too.
I know, maybe we just.

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I love AI.
Mean, come on, I grew up.

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I grew up in the two early
2000s.

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Those things were like.
I thought you were.

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Everywhere, I thought.
You were going to say I love a

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butt.
I was going to say I love a

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rhinestone butt.
I was going to say it, but then

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I decided to reframe because I'm
like, do I really love a

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rhinestone butt?
I don't.

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Know OK, so before we get into
like the questions, right,

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because that is the best way
that I think it to like review

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this to talk about this to go
through a mystery type show

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before we do that the first
episode itself is very much one

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division, right?
It is mayor of East Town, it is

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True Detective.
It's that kind of era that HBO

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era crime drama.
How did you feel about that

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depiction of it?
Because we're, we were so used

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to sitcoms, right?
And then to jump into crime

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dramas and then to find out that
like, she was literally just in

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her block radius the entire
time, like she had a fake call.

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That was a little sad.
That was a, that was a little

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sad.
When she hopped in that car, I

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was like, Oh no.
The fact of like, you know, if

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you think about, think of it too
much, it's just like how like,

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at what point in her mind was
she like building a car?

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You know what I mean?
She's just like, got to go.

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And she just, like, goes to
Herb's house to talk to Herb.

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He goes to Dottie's house to go
to the library.

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But what did you think about
that whole situation?

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I thought it was really
inventive.

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I I, I think that to think of
Agatha stuck in these different

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dramas.
For three years.

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For three years where probably I
feel like it in every single

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episode, she's trying to figure
out who Wanda is, right?

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It's the mystery of why she is
where she is and and she can't

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ever figure it out.
Are you talking about Wanda

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Vision?
I mean, in this, right?

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So for those three years, in my
mind, she's constantly just in a

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different episode of like, like
she's like she's on SVU, you

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know, she's in, you know,
Chicago Fire.

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But every time she's just trying
to figure out who Wanda is.

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And so she just kind of trapped.
And so to see how she's been

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existing for three years, I
think it made a lot of sense.

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Like when you see her house for
what it really is, like a a

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crazy person's house, right?
It's just a things everywhere

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and like, maybe stuff that the
neighbors gave her to appease

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whatever she was asking for.
Because the thought of her going

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to Toddie's house and the
library, which it's not, it's

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just her house.
And like asking you like just

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going in there and being like, I
need this to be looked up.

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And the whole townspeople just
appeasing her, they're like, oh

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God, OK, here comes Agatha.
What is she doing now?

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Well, there even that one part,
right, where Jones, who is like

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the chief of chief detective,
he's like, go home, right?

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She's probably sitting in his
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He's like, go home.
I don't want you here anymore.

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Get out of my.
House it's so wild to think

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about that.
So going on to I I I think it it

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was a great bridge, right.
We've said that a few times, but

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I think that needed it for us to
be like the familiar into what

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the show is going to be.
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we're still going to get that
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element with the Witch's Road.
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from the promos and everything
that we got.

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Each trial essentially is going
to be some type of different

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witchy thing horror element.
So that is really exciting.

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And, and I think The thing is,
is that we have to be willing to

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lean into the spooky thing,
right?

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It's not going to be sitcom.
It's going to be horror and

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mystery.
And so, you know, these first

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two episodes did a really good
job of getting us in that mood,

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in that flow, for sure.
Right.

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So one of one question that we
had of was is Wanda going to

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show up?
She ish did she kind of did.

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They did really do a good job
mirroring her seeing Wanda's

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body to mayor of Easttown,
because the mayor of Easttown,

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when Kate Winslet goes and sees
the body, it is hidden just like

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it is with that.
So it was a cool mirroring

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between those two.
I'm curious because it seems

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very much like in universe, even
the witches that Agatha recruits

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to her coven all believe the
Scarlet Witch is dead, like

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Wanda is dead.
And I think that is true with

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them.
They could change it later on,

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you know what I mean?
Like it's like, yeah, she's

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dead.
She's gone right now, the dark

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hole gone, but like, she could
come back if she wanted to, with

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the whole Witch's road being
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And I think one of the things
that we tend to bring up a lot

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is that the multiverse is a
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Not.
For long, though, Secret Wars,

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it's all going away.
Well then they better get Wanda

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back quick because.
Until 2026 to get it back.

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Exactly.
Oh man.

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But I do think one of the parts
that I loved was right before

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Wanda actually goes through the
different costume stages and she

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sees the library card toe tag.
You mean Agatha?

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I'm sorry, yes, Agatha, She sees
the library card toe tag and you

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know the last two names on it
are Agatha Harkness and one of

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Maximoff.
But you get to see all there's

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other dates of who else had the
dark hold?

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And I thought that was a cool
detail, that there were all

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these other witches before them
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And who are those witches?
Also, how long did Agatha have

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it?
What did she do to get the dark

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hold?
Because there is something that

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I think it's a big mystery that
we were theorizing throughout

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all of one division with Senor
Scratchy.

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And in this we see that in a
room that she has in her house,

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Nicholas Scratch like a kids
room still set up like a kids

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room.
But the name Nicholas Scratch,

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who in the comics is Agatha's
son, who is the father of the

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Salem 7.
So it gets real confusing.

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There's there's a whole family
affair here.

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So the question becomes, is that
room that we saw just almost

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like a manifestation of Agatha's
memories or feelings or

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subconscious kind of manifesting
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Because like she didn't set that
up, right?

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Was that part of Wanda's spell?
You know what I mean?

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Let like made that room for her
in some type of way like what

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happened to Nicholas Scratch.
Right, exactly.

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I mean, or is that just the room
that the Bunny lives in, you

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know?
No, I know.

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But I did think that was an
interesting detail.

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And the fact that they stayed so
long to really show us, like the

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plaques and the bed and
everything, it was there for a

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reason.
One thing that I was wondering

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is as far as we knew, Agatha was
living in Ralph Boner's house.

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Well, that's where it's weird
because Ralph Boner I don't

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think necessarily lived there
because Jimmy Woo was looking

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for Ralph Boner.
Like he was trying to find him

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as a witness.
He could have been living there,

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but also he was like an actor.
So she just hired him and then

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held him captive.
Well, I think he, like she

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kidnapped him.
To Houston, I see.

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Or something, I don't know, Like
I think that part's a little

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weird because we didn't get the
deleted scenes and stuff like

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that, but I guess like she was
living in whatever house she was

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living in during wand division.
Yeah, because she's still like 2

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houses down so.
All right, well, mystery

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question mark still on on the
House.

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But I do, I mean, I was really
happy to see Senior Scratchy

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back, but who?
Like who or what is Senior

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Scratchy, You know, is this just
a familiar of Agatha's or is it

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a human trapped in this Bunny
form?

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You know, that I think is kind
of a question mark as well.

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I do think it is interesting
that he did come back like after

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the Hex was she came out of it,
Senor Scratchy was there.

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So it it's interesting.
I have some theories when we get

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to the teen, so we'll we'll talk
about that.

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But Speaking of new characters
and who are they?

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Ria, Ria Rio.
Who is she?

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Who is this Greenwich?
Who is this Greenwich?

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Who is Aubrey Plaza?
They have some history, heated

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history.
And we also got some, I guess

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like how I don't know, covens or
between witches work or

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particularly those two because
they can't kill each other.

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She says you can't, we can't
kill each other.

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What does that mean?
Why they've obviously known each

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other for so long.
Are they ex lovers?

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Are they just really close?
And it was more of like a

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taunting cat and mouse type of
thing.

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Is their son Nicholas Scratch?
You know I don't.

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Know, I mean one of the OR also
maybe they were close at some

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point and Agatha stabbed her in
the back, right?

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So Rio.
Which we know she could do.

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Absolutely.
So Rio came back to stab her in

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the front, literally like in her
chest.

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But the thing that's interesting
though, is that why also does

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Rio?
Like, why did Rio want Agatha to

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no longer be trapped, right?
She went there to say.

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And she said to her, is this how
you see yourself?

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It does seem like so that I do
have a question about that and

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maybe listeners you can help or
if you know, I definitely know.

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So the teen and Rio kind of show
up at the same time.

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The teen says like they had to
learn the incantations and stuff

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to get her out.
So it very much seems like the

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teen was able to get her out and
then Rio kind of came in.

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It seems like Rio was looking
for her, but because of the

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Darkhold's magic and spell, she
couldn't find her.

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So it seems like once that was
lifted, then Rio was able to

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find her.
So I guess what I'm thinking is

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once that was lifted, Rio was
immediately able to just, it was

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like Ping got her because she's
like the an earth witch.

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She can travel anywhere at any
time.

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So if there's Earth, so.
Kind of like she might have been

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looking for her during Wanda
Vision and then finally was able

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to find her once that was kind
of done.

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That's what I think and so she
found her and then Agatha got

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out of it by saying like I don't
have any powers.

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Is this actually how you want to
like defeat me powerless and

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stuff, which is if interesting
thing to see what their dynamic

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right and and the fact that she
goes along with it, but is like,

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well, I'm going to tell the
witches that want to kill you

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and she tells the Salem 7
they're like she's going to be

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here at sundown.
So it's interesting.

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It's like you.
So she's an antagonist,

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obviously, but Agatha isn't so
quick to get rid of her.

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So there is still that familiar
bond there.

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But what is that?
And what did happen?

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Right.
And one of the interesting

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things is that when Agatha is
working on putting her coven

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together, right, Lilia, who
we'll talk about in a little

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bit, has one of her spells and
writes down the coven members

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names and she puts a black
heart, right?

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And obviously Rio says earlier
that I have a black heart,

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right?
So we know we're talking about

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her, but I just thought it was
interesting that, you know, if

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we remember in the first episode
of Wanda Vision, there was the

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black heart on the calendar.
So I don't.

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So I just thought that was an
interesting crossover that the

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Black Heart is still being
represented in both of these

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series.
I it's really smart and I don't

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know if they so this is where
it's fun, right, with the show

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and I think where Jack Shaffer
and team shine and it's smart to

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do this.
They did those things right?

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And it was the whole, I guess
comedy of the first episode of

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Wanda Vision was like, what does
the heart mean?

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Is it an anniversary?
Whatever.

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It was just the hearts coming
over for dinner, right?

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So that's where it could have
stopped.

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But I, I think that they brought
that back because they're like,

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we could use that.
So I feel like a lot of the

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stuff that we're getting like
you can't kill another witch.

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The heart stuff, it's stuff that
they're taking that they already

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set up and going with it.
So it's like stuff they're like

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writing in real time, but
retroactively being like, this

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is how it works.
Like Agatha can't get the powers

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unless she's blasted with it.
I don't think that was a rule to

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begin with, but they're like, Oh
yeah, she was only getting it

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when she was blasting, so let's
make it a rule.

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But I think that's sort of
that's what's fun about this,

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right, Is that in in Wanda
Vision, when she becomes the

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Scarlet Witch, we're not really
deep into witchcraft.

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But now what, Jack?
What?

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What they're doing with their
crew is they're setting up the

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rules for Marvel's witches.
Sorcery.

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I needed it.
I needed.

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The supernatural I needed.
More of it.

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And so I feel like everybody
really needs to pay attention to

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this, especially if there's
going to be more magic and

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witches in the rest of the MCU,
because you need to know these

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rules.
It is interesting because like,

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we've gotten Doctor Strange.
We got two Doctor Strange movies

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already and I feel like we don't
have like this is like

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traditional witchcraft.
It feels like like this is like

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you need.
I have a new.

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Like double double toil in.
Trouble, which is fun.

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So it's going to be interesting
to see like how far this power

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goes and exactly what is like
the purple magic.

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What is green magic?
What is all of this stuff?

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Why does Jennifer Kale not have
powers anymore?

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Why can she still do potions?
Like, yeah, so it's, there's a

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lot of questions and a lot of
mystery.

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And I feel like we have to pace
ourselves a little bit with

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like, oh, it could be this.
And then it's going to get

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answered in the next.
Oh, yeah, well, we're not

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falling into the traps that we
used to fall into 2020-2021.

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Exactly what I'm saying.
I mean, wait.

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Oh.
I am going to bring up Mephisto

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at some point during this, but
with good reason.

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We just said we weren't.
Actually, I'll do it now because

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you did mention the thing that I
was going to mention with

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Mephisto.
What did I mention?

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OK, so since we're talking about
who is Rio, she did say the

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Black Heart thing.
There is a character in Marvel

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Comics.
I don't know if it's going to be

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this easy because they like to
mess with you, especially this

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team of people.
But Black Heart is like the son

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of Mephisto.
So in this, it should be the

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00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,240
daughter, the daughter of
Mephisto.

447
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,720
I don't think that's what it is.
I honestly don't.

448
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,920
I think that she's more like
Morgan Lafay, who is like this

449
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,080
big, powerful figure.
You know Morgan Lafay, right?

450
00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:50,800
Sounds familiar?
We, it was an old stuff, but we,

451
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,280
we, we have talked about it.
So I'm not going to talk much

452
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,560
about that in case she is,
because I don't want to give

453
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,040
anything away.
OK, that's fair.

454
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:03,640
You know, but that is something
that's where I'm leaning with

455
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,960
Rio because I know Aubrey Plaza
has said through press and stuff

456
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,120
there's more to her than meets
the eye.

457
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,800
So.
She's a transformer.

458
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,120
She Transformers one just came
out today.

459
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,040
Surprise, there's a there's a
transformer named Rio in that,

460
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,200
and it's voiced by Aubrey Plaza.
But those are my two like main

461
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,000
theories at the moment.
OK, I have a question though.

462
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:32,760
So as a hardcore comic fan that
you are, I am always curious.

463
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,720
Let's say it's she's not black
heart, right?

464
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,240
Let's say she's a new character.
How do you feel about new

465
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,040
characters being introduced in
the MC?

466
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,680
UI think it's fine.
Yeah, I it doesn't bother me,

467
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,440
you know what I mean?
I I think that there's

468
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,680
characters where you know, like
Jennifer Kael is a character in

469
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,760
the comics and I don't care what
they do with that character only

470
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,280
because like she is a sort of
minor character.

471
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,720
And the fact that any character
that's getting attached to a

472
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,080
name in a big TV show like this
is really cool because I do feel

473
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,280
like it gives the opportunity
for those characters in the

474
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,720
comics that have been forgotten
or haven't been written in how

475
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,760
long to, I don't know, maybe
come back in some way.

476
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,920
Like Agatha Harkness because of
Wanda Vision.

477
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,720
She's de aged a little bit.
She's like sexy Agatha now and

478
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:29,760
she had a whole like big like
Marvel Comics spanning run with

479
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,600
the crap.
What was it was like chaos

480
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,480
conquest, I think it was called
so it it like involved The

481
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,680
Avengers and everything like
that.

482
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,600
So like I like it.
I like it when like characters

483
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,600
are introduced that are new that
maybe might mix some characters

484
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,840
together which.
I feel like they've done in the

485
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:45,600
past.
Right.

486
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,160
I just don't want any Ralph
Boner situations where it's

487
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,920
like, to us it was a fun Easter
egg because it's like that is

488
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,560
Quicksilver in the Fox universe.
But like for the show purposes,

489
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,360
it went nowhere.
It could have been anyone.

490
00:25:58,360 --> 00:25:59,680
Right.
And it was a boner joke.

491
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,800
So it was like, weird.
Yeah.

492
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,720
So I'm hoping that, like, I, I
don't think they're going to do

493
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,200
that again.
I don't think Rio is going to be

494
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,840
like red herring.
I do think Teen is going to be

495
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,760
interesting.
I think that let's get into

496
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,000
Teen.
Oh God, another theory corner.

497
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,160
I want to say just First off.
Let's talk about Joe Locke.

498
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,120
Well, that's what I'm going to
say.

499
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,960
Joe Locke's American accent is
fantastic.

500
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,600
It's not bad.
And I don't want to say anything

501
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,440
against Heartstopper because we
all know I'm a Die Hard.

502
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,600
Which we will be covering on
the.

503
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:35,800
Podcast we sure will season 3,
But he feels like a more mature

504
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,880
actor in this.
I feel he's more believable in

505
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,520
this role.
And I don't know if it's because

506
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,320
just the level of writing
between the two.

507
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:51,480
Well, I think in one he is
playing a a kid, and in this one

508
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,160
he's playing in a more mature
show.

509
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,800
Yeah, a teenager.
I, I did see an interview with

510
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,080
him where he said something
along the lines of it was really

511
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,400
fun getting to dig into
something with a little more

512
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,760
depth.
And so I feel like you could

513
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,200
really see that, like I just am
loving him.

514
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,640
I'm I feel like he's doing
whoever teen is, he's doing a

515
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,760
great job bringing them to life.
I, I really like it.

516
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,720
I love the dynamic between
Agatha and Teen.

517
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,520
I think it's so much fun.
I, I just, I'm loving every

518
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,960
single bit of it.
I'm just like more of it.

519
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,200
It could just be these two in
this entire show and they'll be

520
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,320
happy.
The bonuses we get Patti Lufone

521
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,760
and Aubrey Plaza and everybody
else.

522
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,520
So it's like, yes, I like teen
I, I'm very interested because

523
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,240
I'm one of the gays.
I'm one of the people on the

524
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,800
side of if this is Billy Kaplan,
if this is Wiccan, I'm fine with

525
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,440
it.
Like I, I don't really fully

526
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,600
understand why people are
against it.

527
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:49,360
Joe Locke being Wiccan, I think
I've heard like it's like easy,

528
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,760
like obviously he would be
Wiccan, which I think it's like

529
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,840
not a bad thing, but you know,
if you have like reasons, I'd

530
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,360
love to know like I'm all ears.
But I believe he would do a good

531
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,560
job.
Now I do think he could be

532
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,240
another character which I think
would play a big part in Scarlet

533
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,680
Witch coming back via whatever,
but also just a interesting

534
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,240
character outside of Wiccan in
the comics.

535
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,440
Like I was talking about more
recently, there is a character

536
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,160
that Agatha makes which is like
a human boy form of the dark

537
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,400
hold.
That's who I think if it's not

538
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:36,760
Wiccan, I could see teen being
because the dark holds also gone

539
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,200
gone.
It got smooshed with with Wanda

540
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,360
I believe, right?
That was the that's what

541
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,040
happened at the end of
Multiverse of Madness.

542
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,480
If I'm wrong please correct me,
but I think that the Darkhold's

543
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,040
missing or gone and so is Wanda.
And then Teen shows up.

544
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,200
I don't know, like magically
could have just appeared in

545
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,560
people's lives.
We don't have to believe him.

546
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,760
He could have a boyf, but it's
real.

547
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,440
Who's boyf right?
Yeah.

548
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,240
Is it all real or is he just
making up?

549
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,520
He lives in east of you.
That's convenient.

550
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,800
Yeah.
So I have not really theories,

551
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,920
but I have some guesses that are
out of completely out of left

552
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,160
field that probably will hold no
validity.

553
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,480
My major thing that I'm like
duh, is that he is Nicholas

554
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,080
Scratch.
Interesting.

555
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,000
He's the son she forgot about
and now he's back trying to get

556
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,520
her out of this.
And like somehow his memory and

557
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,560
stuff was wiped.
Or all along, which kind of goes

558
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,080
along with my second theory is
that actually he's evil, and so

559
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:43,200
he's trying to get Agatha to go
down the road for his own real

560
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,400
evil purposes.
I mean, yeah, I guess he showed

561
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,880
up and then Rio showed up, so.
Because also I in my light

562
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,720
research like Nicholas Scratch,
although he is her son, he's

563
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,040
been an adversary of Agatha as
well, right?

564
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,720
And he's actually, like you
said, the father of the Salem 7.

565
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,280
So it feels like if we're going
down this road of introducing

566
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,080
Nicholas Scratch, he could
possibly be an evil version of

567
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,600
him or something like that.
Some would say a witch's road

568
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,000
down this road.
Witch's road.

569
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,720
Now, I actually that's not a bad
idea.

570
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:19,280
Like, So what you're saying is
Rio and Agatha played with

571
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,840
forbidden magic, made a magical
baby named Nicholas Scratch, and

572
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,040
then all this stuff happened and
now their baby is back and it's

573
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,480
going to be a fight between the
moms?

574
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,920
Which baby?
Actually, that's not a bad it.

575
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,680
It could be.
Or if we're going to the

576
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,160
Nicholas Scratch theory, what if
his father is Nicholas Scratch?

577
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,240
We don't know who his parents
are.

578
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,440
Grandma Agatha says Grandma.
Because OK, so let's go into the

579
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,520
part of like, his curse, right?
Or the thing that's censoring.

580
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,560
Is it right?
Is it that she can't hear it or

581
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,920
he can't say it?
Well, this is the thing, this is

582
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:02,480
what I'm curious about because
when she sees the scribble on

583
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,040
his lips, which is also in the
promotional materials like the

584
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,160
ones where it was, I don't like
the tarot cards.

585
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,520
I believe that symbol is on the
sides of them.

586
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:16,640
So any important signifier or
identifier of him, he can't say

587
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,760
to her.
And I'm saying to her, because

588
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,680
anytime he has tried to say
anything around the other

589
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,440
witches in the coven, she, like,
puts him off.

590
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,640
She's like, yeah, She's like,
oh, he's this thing.

591
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,600
Like she kind of stops.
She literally covers his mouth

592
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:31,440
sometimes.
Right.

593
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,840
And I think because when she
first sees that symbol, she

594
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,840
recognizes it.
I think she recognizes the witch

595
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:43,880
or whoever put it on him or her
in general and doesn't want them

596
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,720
to see.
So it's very interesting.

597
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,240
So is there somebody else at
play or is that Rio?

598
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,640
I think it's the only time will
tell it it's.

599
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,960
Safe to say that we don't know.
But I want to know guys, we're

600
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,480
back into like weekly theorizing
and just like having fun with

601
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,640
us.
We're in a happy place.

602
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,520
Yeah, we're in a happy place.
We're going to just make guesses

603
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,160
that don't make any sense
because we can.

604
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,720
Do you have any like thoughts on
the curse?

605
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,560
I'm just calling it a curse.
I don't know what else to call

606
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,040
it.
Hex.

607
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:20,800
The curse on him well, I think
the so I think that the curse is

608
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,960
there or whatever it is so she
doesn't know who he truly is

609
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:31,760
right so maybe he's whoever but
Rio has cursed him right,

610
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,080
because she just.
It's just like he is teen him.

611
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,200
Well, because I also thought it
was interesting that teen was in

612
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,640
that closet.
Granted, he had some tape on

613
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,400
him, that's fine.
But there's like this giant

614
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,320
brawl happening right outside
the closet and he doesn't come

615
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,800
out and try to help in any way
or intervene in any way.

616
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,600
Well, he was tied up.
He ends up standing up and

617
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,960
sitting on the couch at some
point.

618
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,880
Yeah, well, I mean, he was just
kidnapped by a out of her mind

619
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,680
Agatha.
She just came out of the hex and

620
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,120
she kidnapped him.
I'm just saying that if we

621
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,120
they're working together, it
makes sense that he wouldn't

622
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,480
intervene in the fight at all.
Right, right.

623
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,200
It is true.
I think that we, I'm going to be

624
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,880
trying to pay close attention to
seeing how people are

625
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,280
interacting with each other and
what they are and aren't saying

626
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,240
to each other because it is
going to seem like people aren't

627
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,800
going to give full information.
Because one of the really cool

628
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,440
things that I'd liked seeing in
this is when she's going around

629
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,640
and finding her coven, right?
Each witch that joins the coven

630
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,120
has a reason to go on the road
in some form or fashion.

631
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,560
So it's going to be interesting
to see like who betrays, doesn't

632
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,520
betray, helps or whatever.
Who Because you know, we have

633
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,360
Jennifer Kale.
She doesn't have magic anymore.

634
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,280
She really would love to have
magic again.

635
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,800
She could do that on Witches
Road.

636
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,400
We have Patti Lupone's
character.

637
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:03,080
She is living not great.
And she used to be like the

638
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,800
person in the villages or the
towns that they would go to.

639
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,720
Driven out because of that.
Right.

640
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,320
And then we have Alice.
Her mother disappeared on the

641
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,080
Witch's Road.
Do you think that her mother was

642
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,400
part of Agatha's coven that
never came back from the Witch's

643
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,800
Road?
A. 100 percent, 100% they.

644
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,440
Just don't know.
Right.

645
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,719
And that's the thing, and you
have to wonder though, does

646
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,679
Agatha know?
Because I think at this point in

647
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,920
time, right, no one is willing
to work with Agatha freely

648
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,719
because of how awful she is.
So she had to find witches that

649
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,120
desperately needed to go down
the Witches Rd.

650
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,520
It was really interesting if you
think about like how they

651
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,920
interacted with her.
It wasn't that they were scared

652
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,480
of her, right, which I thought
was interesting.

653
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,120
They were more like you have a
bad reputation.

654
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,159
It's just not worth it.
Like you know what it like you

655
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,360
are the reason why like covens
are the way they are.

656
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,360
Whatever.
So it's it's an interesting like

657
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,960
precedent that she set because
she's so old and she's been

658
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,240
like, she is the legend, she is
the myth old.

659
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,960
Yeah.
And they're just kind of like,

660
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,600
no, but then they get convinced
to go right.

661
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,960
And I, I'm curious, like, did
she actually think that they

662
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,200
could open it?
Because it did seem like she was

663
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,520
trying to egg them on when the
Salem 7 was coming to like

664
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,760
Shooter with the powers to
absorb them.

665
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,720
Yeah, I think at the, I think we
always have to remember that

666
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,840
with Agatha at the bottom of it
all, Agatha is only looking out

667
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,880
for one person and it's Agatha.
So I think in any situation

668
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,560
she's got a plan AB and C.
And so in that situation, you

669
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,680
know, maybe she really didn't
think they were going to open

670
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:38,880
it.
She's like, OK, well if we do,

671
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,360
cool.
We'll deal with that.

672
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,840
She got Missus Davis, who isn't
a witch.

673
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,760
So far, we know.
Because she didn't want to get

674
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,960
Rio.
Right.

675
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,560
But but to open the witch's
road, you need a coven.

676
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,120
So it's like you got a witch
that you think anyone that you

677
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,000
knew wasn't a witch.
So you would think that it

678
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,360
wouldn't actually work.
Very good point.

679
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,000
But then it did work.
So interesting.

680
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,720
Yeah.
I think she didn't think it was

681
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:03,720
going to work.
And then it worked.

682
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:06,080
And she's like, Oh, well, OK.
Well, maybe everyone that lived

683
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,080
in Westview because they were
under Wanda's control for so

684
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,800
long has a little bit of magic
in them.

685
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,080
You know what I think?
Tell me.

686
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,000
I think it's like a Ned
situation, Ned from Spider Man

687
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,760
where he was able to use the
sling ring.

688
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,840
I think that she might be
magical in some way, she just

689
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,840
doesn't know it.
That's what I hope for, Misses

690
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,640
Davis.
She might truly be, you know, a

691
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,600
terror witch, a green witch.
Look at her garden was gorgeous.

692
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,760
And apparently, you know what?
Agatha thought she was taking

693
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,840
pictures of her Jane Doe, but in
reality, it was probably just

694
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,160
Misses Davis's garden.
And I love teens.

695
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,240
Like those are just flowers.
What are you talking about?

696
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:46,840
They were, yeah.
It wasn't a body.

697
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,920
Also one other thing as far as
queer representation in this, I

698
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,880
love Teen really being a
delightful host and putting up a

699
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,840
banner and serving old granola
bars.

700
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,120
Like how you're like, that's
queer.

701
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,920
Mama, I have a great host, OK?
Am I not?

702
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:04,640
Yeah.
You've seen my charcuterie.

703
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,520
I just like how you're equating
good host to queer.

704
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,120
Put a banner up, you're probably
gay, he made.

705
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,240
That.
He did make that which like

706
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,600
magic.
Crafty.

707
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,240
And then she ripped it apart.
Rude.

708
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,680
I just love so Speaking of
Missus Davis, I loved that that

709
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,400
scene 1 the the Ballad of the
Witches Rd.

710
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,320
Fantastic.
Everybody can sing.

711
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,400
I'm glad you got Patti Lupone to
sing.

712
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,200
You have to Katherine Hahn.
Fantastic.

713
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,200
Everybody's fantastic, but I
loved it.

714
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,600
They, it seemed like a little
bit of an homage to That 70s

715
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,600
Show because they're all in the
basement and the camera doesn't

716
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,680
necessarily turn like it did in
that 70s Show, but it goes to

717
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,360
each one like a jump cuts to
them.

718
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,120
It, it just felt like that's
what was happening.

719
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,760
So I, I really liked that, But I
loved that she was just happy to

720
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,440
be there and happy to be
included.

721
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,360
She was just swinging hands.
Yeah, she was just following

722
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,000
along.
She's like, I guess I can get

723
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,800
the down, down, down part at the
end.

724
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,760
But it's kind of sad, right?
Because her husband passed away.

725
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,560
We learned.
And so she's like, OK, I'll go

726
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,320
to a party.
She's like, yeah, I'll go in

727
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,000
your basement.
OK, I'll sing this song.

728
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,840
What if I was just.
I just remembered that she

729
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,520
showed up in the episode earlier
when she ran over teen.

730
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:21,640
Yeah, which Jesus, that wasn't
in like a fake thing.

731
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,600
That was in real life.
She ran over teen but I'm

732
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,880
curious if she thought that
Agatha was like going to come

733
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,520
after her because of that.
But then she just invited to her

734
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,840
party and she's like, yes,
please, I'll.

735
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,040
Do anything, please don't kill
me.

736
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,600
She's like, are we supposed to
know the song?

737
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,080
Yeah, I know.
It was so cute.

738
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,400
And then even once they, you
know, the, the Salem 7's coming

739
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,480
and they go down into the whole
hole, like the witch's road, the

740
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,960
witch's road down the stairs,
she like just watches them take

741
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,400
her shoes, their shoes off.
She's like, OK, I'll take my

742
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,840
shoes off.
Nothing better happened to her.

743
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,160
I swear I know.
What did you think about the

744
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,640
Salem 7?
Oh my gosh, so scary.

745
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,600
So scary.
Fantastic.

746
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,720
They were so creepy.
And you know, it's like funny.

747
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,200
Is that like if you look at the
comic representation of the

748
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,880
Salem 7, especially like one of
the original ones, they were

749
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,240
like a group of mutants kind of.
Yeah, I feel like they're the

750
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,960
same, but not like the costumes
aren't crazy, you know?

751
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,080
But.
But this is this feels like a

752
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,600
very, like sleek, updated
version of creepy witches,

753
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,360
right?
Yeah, like, especially with like

754
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,640
the lace over their faces so you
can't really see them.

755
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,680
Did.
You notice that the lace on

756
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,680
their faces resembled an animal,
A different animal.

757
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,960
Oh, I didn't.
Yeah, there was some with like

758
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,840
different ears and like
different stuff because we we

759
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,120
saw the animals throughout.
It's right.

760
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,880
And each one of the Salem 7 like
represents some type of animal.

761
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,360
Yeah, what did we see?
We saw a crow, a wolf, a mouse.

762
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,440
I would say a rat.
A rat because it was not cute.

763
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,760
No, there were a couple other.
Was it just those three?

764
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,560
Just those three.
Yeah.

765
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,720
So that was that was very cool.
So Agatha knew they were coming.

766
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,640
Yeah, of course she did.
She felt it.

767
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,400
She knew it was.
She knew it was going to happen.

768
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,800
Yeah.
She was hoping that she could

769
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,760
get juiced up to fight them in
some way.

770
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,920
But they ended up going down the
Witches Rd. anyway.

771
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,480
Yeah.
And I'm really curious because

772
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,400
it didn't happen right away,
like the door opening, because

773
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,360
Agatha even says like this, it
should have happened by now.

774
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,480
And I don't know if she was like
playing that up and she knew it

775
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:20,800
was going to wasn't going to
happen.

776
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,440
But as soon as Teen came down
the stairs, it opened and it

777
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,000
happened.
So I'm either curious if it's

778
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,600
because of Teen's presence or
because of the Salem 7 because

779
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,040
they started coming down the
stairs as well and they just

780
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,440
needed that like extra.
That magical force?

781
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,080
Right, the extra little bit of
magic.

782
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,280
Interesting.
So we got our divination, which

783
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,880
we got our potions, which our
green, which maybe I mean Rio's

784
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,520
going to show back up.
Obviously we know that we got

785
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,800
Sweet misses Davis and we got
protector which and then Agatha

786
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,240
and team.
Who is the witch?

787
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,920
Yeah, I'm really excited.
I'm so excited.

788
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,960
We got a little tiny glimpse of
the Witches Rd.

789
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,640
So much more is going to be
happening in this.

790
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,160
I can't wait.
I think the next episode might

791
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,640
be like 70s ish if I'm not
mistaken.

792
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,600
I will say be very careful out
there with like stuff that's

793
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,120
been released from production
and casting because there are

794
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,200
some names that I have seen.
I'm like cool, didn't want to

795
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,120
know that that was coming.
So just be very careful out

796
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,600
there.
There's also my let's mild

797
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,760
spoiler with like the Salem
Sevens like stuff.

798
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,000
So again be.
Very careful, for lack of a

799
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,600
better term.
We won't be saying that kind of

800
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,360
thing.
Like when if I see something

801
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,360
that is like oh shit I won't
say.

802
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,320
It like an actual plot spoiler.
If I'm theorizing and it happens

803
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,240
to be true, yeah, me.
Kudos to us a plus.

804
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:49,680
Yeah, but so that's Agatha all
along.

805
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:54,120
I think it's a great start.
I'm more excited to see what's

806
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,040
to come.
I think it did a great job of

807
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,880
setting it up.
I need more.

808
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,800
I need more Abu Plaza like
immediately.

809
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,880
And I'm really interested to see
what shape the rest of the

810
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,040
series takes.
Right?

811
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,160
So in episode 2 out of nine,
we're already on the Witch's

812
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,480
road.
So how many more episodes is it

813
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,320
going to be 1 episode for each
of them going forward in each of

814
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,480
their trials?
I think so, right?

815
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,040
It would it would almost have to
because what we have Agatha,

816
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:26,720
teen Rio, Alice, Alice, Jennifer
and Lilia and Lilia.

817
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:32,440
So six and one episode. 2 So
that's eight, and then one is

818
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,520
the last one.
Right, They could be.

819
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,520
Each one kind of gets their own
little trial.

820
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,120
We'll see.
Interesting.

821
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,640
Oh, last thing, one last thing.
Could have say this for the next

822
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:44,280
one.
But whatever.

823
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,600
It was kind of nice to see
everybody how they reacted to

824
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,200
the Scarlet Witch outside of
everything, because it was one

825
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,520
thing to see them in the square
in one division with all of them

826
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,560
being like, let us go or like
let us die.

827
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,760
But seeing like the graffiti on
the plot and everybody being

828
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,080
like, Boo, thank you for, you
know, doing this.

829
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,680
It was kind of nice to see like,
OK, it's not like just brushed

830
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,240
over glam.
Oh, absolutely.

831
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,720
That would have been really a
disservice to the series.

832
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,280
I mean because.
Even Dottie was just like.

833
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,000
Yeah.
We hate you, Agatha.

834
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:19,880
Yeah.
Exactly.

835
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,200
Well, imagine you so not so you
were, you know, for how long you

836
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,280
were trapped by by Wanda, but
now you have to deal with the

837
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,560
byproducts of that fight, the
wild neighbor who's always in a

838
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,560
different world, driving her
weird car in her living in her

839
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:34,640
living room.
Exactly.

840
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,720
And also like the fact that they
agreed to do that, you know what

841
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:43,640
I mean?
I do feel like the male guy was

842
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,120
kind of like over it because he
was like there was a fire, good

843
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,480
luck, just like left out of
there.

844
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:53,320
But I, I think it's like it says
something to them of just, OK, I

845
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,640
guess we have to deal with this.
Right, because the alternative

846
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,000
might be being controlled again,
or death.

847
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,640
So we'll just deal with it.
Or death.

848
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,080
At least they have autonomy now,
yeah.

849
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,320
That's great.
Go on their little lives and

850
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,120
enjoy it.
Besides Agatha, you know.

851
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,320
All right, I think that wraps it
up for episode 1 and 2 at Agatha

852
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,880
All along AAA, if you will.
Yeah.

853
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,160
Let us know what you thought.
Comment below Discord and we'll

854
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,560
see you next week.
On the Witches Rd.

855
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,200
Episode 3 Goodbye bye.