Agatha All Along Episodes 1 & 2 Review

0:00 Hey witches, it's your favorite witch and familiar. I'm the familiar. Derek is the witch. I'm magical. Oh my God. Hi. How are you Agatha all along? We are here. The first official spin off of an MCU show, right? Yeah, I would say this. And the first MCU show too. And it's another none other than Agatha all along. That's amazing. That's very happy. I we were looking forward to this for a while. So it's finally here. Spooky season, witch season. All of the Halloween feels are in full effect. The last day of summer is happening. It's all happening, guys.

0:47 So long summer, but that's OK because this, they just timed this perfectly. It's going to run throughout October as the leaves are falling. We will be on a magical adventure with Agatha. We're back in our Wanda Vision phase. This is going to be fun. All the way back to 2020. Oh God, no. Thank you. Moving on. So before we get into everything, typical housekeeping things, follow us on all the socials. We got a Patreon, we got a Discord, all of those wonderful things. Everything is in the show notes below. If you're watching this on YouTube, subscribe give a comment below if you're watching this on Spotify. Hi, how are you? Love you. Yeah, but going ahead, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers major. Spoilers.

1:30 If you have not seen One Division, if you're not seeing the MCU, if you're not seeing Agatha All Along episode 1 and 2. If you haven't seen Heart Stopper, I feel like we just need to put that in there. Probably That 70s Show if. You've never seen anything. Ever. Continue listening. Yeah, exactly. Any sort of Danish crime drama or something, right? So let us officially take a bite of Agatha All along. Episode 1 Seekest Thou Rd. directed by Jack Schaefer and written by Jack Schaefer, Jason Rostovsky and Gianna Sarkis and Episode 2 Circle Sewn with Fate, Unlock Thy Hidden Gate, also directed by Jack Schaefer and written by Laura Donnie, Jack Schaefer and Jason Rostovsky.

2:14 Agnes O'Connor is a hard boiled detective on the case of a Jane Doe who appeared barefoot in the Forest of Westview. When Agent Rio Vidal tries to take over and a mysterious teen shows up, the veil is lifted and Agatha emerges from the curse placed on her by Wanda Maximoff. Teen convinces the newly freed Agatha to take a walk down the witch's road to gain her powers back. She convinces the coven to come together to sing a song that leads them to a frightening forest. Oh, that was a mouthful in the beginning. Luckily, you don't have to do that until the penultimate episode and the finale. Yeah, the double S that's when it gets tough. Yeah, but I made it through. So before we get into like I guess the technical aspect of it, of us getting 9 episodes again, us getting a double feature book ending this, how did you feel about the premiere and 2nd episode of Agatha all along? I think they did a really great job of bridging over the themes of Wanda Vision into this series, especially starting it off as another homage to a type of television show, right? It really kind of brought us back into that world, back into Westview and to really figure out what's been going on with Agatha.

3:29 And so that, you know, as the introduction as the first episode was fantastic. And I think the second episode really set up the rest of the series. So this acting as a bridge for both Wanda Vision into the full season of Agatha all along. 2 thumbs up for sure. Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel. I I really enjoyed the first season because it felt familiar, even though it wasn't sitcomy, right. I do feel like maybe that's because Wanda is gone, the dark hold is missing, and she was able to cross over from the sitcoms into like, HBO land. It was fun because we got to get back into that and then the second episode really was just like, this is what the show is going to be about, or at least the story arc. I liked the second episode more than the first, but I like both of them just as much.

4:19 I think Katherine Hahn is the perfect actor and AG of the Harkness is one of the perfect characters to have a spin off and to carry it. This cast is just amazing. I think I've loved every single person in this, so it just makes me more excited. Also witches. Yeah, like you can tell that everybody that worked on this likes witchy things. Absolutely, and I also like beside I would say, you know, our neighbors in Westview, I loved looking at this cast of five women, a queer teenager and a Bunny like that is and and then, you know, that's just like perfect for me. Well, it's also it.

4:59 It's in that aspect, it's kind of awesome that you have this cast of women that are running it, right? And it's women of all ages and colors and sizes and shapes. So it's just really cool to see. It's not something that you would expect from a superhero studio. I'm glad we have it. Absolutely. I'm super glad we have it. And, you know, seeing some reactions of people who are like, it's a training ground for queer kids or something like that. Yes no, I think I there is something you know they were saying it all the press tour and everything leading up to this was like this is like the queers MCU thing. This is like you know witchy and all of this and it feels that way right and I think in the best possible sense again, it's only been 2 episodes. Granted they were around 46 ish minutes, but I feel that because there's moments in the show where you're just like. I don't know if that was queer coded or not, but like kind of hot.

5:57 Yeah, I mean, there's that one conversation between Kathryn Hahn and Aubrey Plaza. It got hot. It got real. Steamy. Oh yeah. OK, Before we get into like specifics, I have to know between these two episodes, do you have a favorite scene in these two episodes? My favorite scene is the kitchen fight. Oh, with Rio and. Agatha yes, yeah, 'cause it was just so badass. I mean, the stunt work was fantastic, the choreography was great, and it really did have that push and pull of, you know, for lack of a better term, you know, villain slash lovers. You know, it felt like there was tension there, not only as we were once adversaries, but maybe there was something deeper going on.

6:44 And just seeing the strength of Agatha, you know, that's one thing that I just want to say is this is really exciting to see who Agatha actually is, right? Because in one division, Agatha was playing a role the entire time, right? She was the nosy neighbor, and she knew what she was doing. Whereas here, you know, after our crime drama, we're actually getting to see Katherine Hahn's version of Agatha. Well, we're getting to see Agatha, I think, without the, I guess, focus or drive to steal the Scarlet Witch's power. So it's like, oh, now we're getting like back story. Who is Rigo to Agatha? What did she do with children's? Because multiple times there was child sacrifice brought up.

7:26 So it's like what is happening with Agatha? Who is she? I I mean, from what we know, right, she was willing to kill her mother to get supreme power. So, you know, apparently we learned in one division she bit a child once, and we learned in this she ate a baby. Yeah, and sacrificed a child. So, you know, she's she's an interesting character. What What was your favorite part? Yeah, Oh God, it's really hard. I honestly think it's so it's in the first episode, her going through all of her outfits and clawing her way out of Wanda's hex essentially, or her curse or a spell, whatever you want to call it. I just thought it was so cool. And it was that bridge, that transition from Wanda Vision into the show of Agatha Darkness.

8:12 I just liked it. And it was cool to relive some of those costumes again. And just that final scene of her in black and white, but everything else in color. It's like, yeah, I love that. I like, I just love that. It's so cool. It's so unique. And then we finally get, yeah, Agatha. And I loved at in the last, like her original costume from Wanda Vision in the black and white. She kind of took a moment. Right. She's still like in it, right. She's in this like weird hazy period. Even when she was like coming out of it. Yeah. And it. But she was just like, oh. And it felt like, like for us, it was like, this is how I was first introduced to you and now this is who I really am. I did have one question about that scene. When in Wanda Vision, was she wearing a Juicy Couture tracksuit that said naughty on her butt? It was oh man, I think it might have been like the Modern Family era one.

9:02 Oh. I I remember it briefly. It, it almost felt to me like an Easter egg of some sort, like maybe we missed something or there was a scene that was cut out because I didn't remember that one. I remember I remember mostly the top half because I don't think they showed her butt mostly until they actually showed her butt in this series. But yeah, I I do remember it. Not like super well, but I remember it in one division. We just rewatched it too. I know, maybe we just. I love AI. Mean, come on, I grew up. I grew up in the two early 2000s. Those things were like. I thought you were. Everywhere, I thought. You were going to say I love a butt. I was going to say I love a rhinestone butt. I was going to say it, but then I decided to reframe because I'm like, do I really love a rhinestone butt? I don't.

9:46 Know OK, so before we get into like the questions, right, because that is the best way that I think it to like review this to talk about this to go through a mystery type show before we do that the first episode itself is very much one division, right? It is mayor of East Town, it is True Detective. It's that kind of era that HBO era crime drama. How did you feel about that depiction of it? Because we're, we were so used to sitcoms, right? And then to jump into crime dramas and then to find out that like, she was literally just in her block radius the entire time, like she had a fake call. That was a little sad. That was a, that was a little sad. When she hopped in that car, I was like, Oh no. The fact of like, you know, if you think about, think of it too much, it's just like how like, at what point in her mind was she like building a car?

10:43 You know what I mean? She's just like, got to go. And she just, like, goes to Herb's house to talk to Herb. He goes to Dottie's house to go to the library. But what did you think about that whole situation? I thought it was really inventive. I I, I think that to think of Agatha stuck in these different dramas. For three years. For three years where probably I feel like it in every single episode, she's trying to figure out who Wanda is, right? It's the mystery of why she is where she is and and she can't ever figure it out. Are you talking about Wanda Vision? I mean, in this, right?

11:23 So for those three years, in my mind, she's constantly just in a different episode of like, like she's like she's on SVU, you know, she's in, you know, Chicago Fire. But every time she's just trying to figure out who Wanda is. And so she just kind of trapped. And so to see how she's been existing for three years, I think it made a lot of sense. Like when you see her house for what it really is, like a a crazy person's house, right? It's just a things everywhere and like, maybe stuff that the neighbors gave her to appease whatever she was asking for. Because the thought of her going to Toddie's house and the library, which it's not, it's just her house. And like asking you like just going in there and being like, I need this to be looked up.

12:09 And the whole townspeople just appeasing her, they're like, oh God, OK, here comes Agatha. What is she doing now? Well, there even that one part, right, where Jones, who is like the chief of chief detective, he's like, go home, right? She's probably sitting in his house. He's like, go home. I don't want you here anymore. Get out of my. House it's so wild to think about that. So going on to I I I think it it was a great bridge, right. We've said that a few times, but I think that needed it for us to be like the familiar into what the show is going to be. But also really excited because we're still going to get that Wanda Vision, Wanda Vision element with the Witch's Road. Because it does very much seem from the promos and everything that we got.

12:53 Each trial essentially is going to be some type of different witchy thing horror element. So that is really exciting. And, and I think The thing is, is that we have to be willing to lean into the spooky thing, right? It's not going to be sitcom. It's going to be horror and mystery. And so, you know, these first two episodes did a really good job of getting us in that mood, in that flow, for sure. Right. So one of one question that we had of was is Wanda going to show up? She ish did she kind of did. They did really do a good job mirroring her seeing Wanda's body to mayor of Easttown, because the mayor of Easttown, when Kate Winslet goes and sees the body, it is hidden just like it is with that. So it was a cool mirroring between those two. I'm curious because it seems very much like in universe, even the witches that Agatha recruits to her coven all believe the Scarlet Witch is dead, like Wanda is dead. And I think that is true with them. They could change it later on, you know what I mean? Like it's like, yeah, she's dead. She's gone right now, the dark hole gone, but like, she could come back if she wanted to, with the whole Witch's road being here and everything like that.

14:15 And I think one of the things that we tend to bring up a lot is that the multiverse is a thing now, right? Not. For long, though, Secret Wars, it's all going away. Well then they better get Wanda back quick because. Until 2026 to get it back. Exactly. Oh man. But I do think one of the parts that I loved was right before Wanda actually goes through the different costume stages and she sees the library card toe tag. You mean Agatha? I'm sorry, yes, Agatha, She sees the library card toe tag and you know the last two names on it are Agatha Harkness and one of Maximoff. But you get to see all there's other dates of who else had the dark hold? And I thought that was a cool detail, that there were all these other witches before them that had it.

14:59 And who are those witches? Also, how long did Agatha have it? What did she do to get the dark hold? Because there is something that I think it's a big mystery that we were theorizing throughout all of one division with Senor Scratchy. And in this we see that in a room that she has in her house, Nicholas Scratch like a kids room still set up like a kids room. But the name Nicholas Scratch, who in the comics is Agatha's son, who is the father of the Salem 7. So it gets real confusing. There's there's a whole family affair here. So the question becomes, is that room that we saw just almost like a manifestation of Agatha's memories or feelings or subconscious kind of manifesting itself?

15:48 Because like she didn't set that up, right? Was that part of Wanda's spell? You know what I mean? Let like made that room for her in some type of way like what happened to Nicholas Scratch. Right, exactly. I mean, or is that just the room that the Bunny lives in, you know? No, I know. But I did think that was an interesting detail. And the fact that they stayed so long to really show us, like the plaques and the bed and everything, it was there for a reason. One thing that I was wondering is as far as we knew, Agatha was living in Ralph Boner's house. Well, that's where it's weird because Ralph Boner I don't think necessarily lived there because Jimmy Woo was looking for Ralph Boner. Like he was trying to find him as a witness. He could have been living there, but also he was like an actor. So she just hired him and then held him captive. Well, I think he, like she kidnapped him. To Houston, I see.

16:46 Or something, I don't know, Like I think that part's a little weird because we didn't get the deleted scenes and stuff like that, but I guess like she was living in whatever house she was living in during wand division. Yeah, because she's still like 2 houses down so. All right, well, mystery question mark still on on the House. But I do, I mean, I was really happy to see Senior Scratchy back, but who? Like who or what is Senior Scratchy, You know, is this just a familiar of Agatha's or is it a human trapped in this Bunny form? You know, that I think is kind of a question mark as well. I do think it is interesting that he did come back like after the Hex was she came out of it, Senor Scratchy was there.

17:29 So it it's interesting. I have some theories when we get to the teen, so we'll we'll talk about that. But Speaking of new characters and who are they? Ria, Ria Rio. Who is she? Who is this Greenwich? Who is this Greenwich? Who is Aubrey Plaza? They have some history, heated history. And we also got some, I guess like how I don't know, covens or between witches work or particularly those two because they can't kill each other. She says you can't, we can't kill each other. What does that mean? Why they've obviously known each other for so long. Are they ex lovers?

18:10 Are they just really close? And it was more of like a taunting cat and mouse type of thing. Is their son Nicholas Scratch? You know I don't. Know, I mean one of the OR also maybe they were close at some point and Agatha stabbed her in the back, right? So Rio. Which we know she could do. Absolutely. So Rio came back to stab her in the front, literally like in her chest. But the thing that's interesting though, is that why also does Rio? Like, why did Rio want Agatha to no longer be trapped, right? She went there to say. And she said to her, is this how you see yourself? It does seem like so that I do have a question about that and maybe listeners you can help or if you know, I definitely know.

18:57 So the teen and Rio kind of show up at the same time. The teen says like they had to learn the incantations and stuff to get her out. So it very much seems like the teen was able to get her out and then Rio kind of came in. It seems like Rio was looking for her, but because of the Darkhold's magic and spell, she couldn't find her. So it seems like once that was lifted, then Rio was able to find her. So I guess what I'm thinking is once that was lifted, Rio was immediately able to just, it was like Ping got her because she's like the an earth witch. She can travel anywhere at any time. So if there's Earth, so. Kind of like she might have been looking for her during Wanda Vision and then finally was able to find her once that was kind of done.

19:43 That's what I think and so she found her and then Agatha got out of it by saying like I don't have any powers. Is this actually how you want to like defeat me powerless and stuff, which is if interesting thing to see what their dynamic right and and the fact that she goes along with it, but is like, well, I'm going to tell the witches that want to kill you and she tells the Salem 7 they're like she's going to be here at sundown. So it's interesting. It's like you. So she's an antagonist, obviously, but Agatha isn't so quick to get rid of her. So there is still that familiar bond there. But what is that? And what did happen? Right. And one of the interesting things is that when Agatha is working on putting her coven together, right, Lilia, who we'll talk about in a little bit, has one of her spells and writes down the coven members names and she puts a black heart, right?

20:32 And obviously Rio says earlier that I have a black heart, right? So we know we're talking about her, but I just thought it was interesting that, you know, if we remember in the first episode of Wanda Vision, there was the black heart on the calendar. So I don't. So I just thought that was an interesting crossover that the Black Heart is still being represented in both of these series. I it's really smart and I don't know if they so this is where it's fun, right, with the show and I think where Jack Shaffer and team shine and it's smart to do this. They did those things right? And it was the whole, I guess comedy of the first episode of Wanda Vision was like, what does the heart mean? Is it an anniversary? Whatever. It was just the hearts coming over for dinner, right?

21:14 So that's where it could have stopped. But I, I think that they brought that back because they're like, we could use that. So I feel like a lot of the stuff that we're getting like you can't kill another witch. The heart stuff, it's stuff that they're taking that they already set up and going with it. So it's like stuff they're like writing in real time, but retroactively being like, this is how it works. Like Agatha can't get the powers unless she's blasted with it. I don't think that was a rule to begin with, but they're like, Oh yeah, she was only getting it when she was blasting, so let's make it a rule. But I think that's sort of that's what's fun about this, right, Is that in in Wanda Vision, when she becomes the Scarlet Witch, we're not really deep into witchcraft.

21:55 But now what, Jack? What? What they're doing with their crew is they're setting up the rules for Marvel's witches. Sorcery. I needed it. I needed. The supernatural I needed. More of it. And so I feel like everybody really needs to pay attention to this, especially if there's going to be more magic and witches in the rest of the MCU, because you need to know these rules. It is interesting because like, we've gotten Doctor Strange. We got two Doctor Strange movies already and I feel like we don't have like this is like traditional witchcraft. It feels like like this is like you need. I have a new. Like double double toil in. Trouble, which is fun. So it's going to be interesting to see like how far this power goes and exactly what is like the purple magic.

22:35 What is green magic? What is all of this stuff? Why does Jennifer Kale not have powers anymore? Why can she still do potions? Like, yeah, so it's, there's a lot of questions and a lot of mystery. And I feel like we have to pace ourselves a little bit with like, oh, it could be this. And then it's going to get answered in the next. Oh, yeah, well, we're not falling into the traps that we used to fall into 2020-2021. Exactly what I'm saying. I mean, wait. Oh. I am going to bring up Mephisto at some point during this, but with good reason. We just said we weren't. Actually, I'll do it now because you did mention the thing that I was going to mention with Mephisto. What did I mention? OK, so since we're talking about who is Rio, she did say the Black Heart thing. There is a character in Marvel Comics. I don't know if it's going to be this easy because they like to mess with you, especially this team of people. But Black Heart is like the son of Mephisto. So in this, it should be the daughter, the daughter of Mephisto.

23:39 I don't think that's what it is. I honestly don't. I think that she's more like Morgan Lafay, who is like this big, powerful figure. You know Morgan Lafay, right? Sounds familiar? We, it was an old stuff, but we, we, we have talked about it. So I'm not going to talk much about that in case she is, because I don't want to give anything away. OK, that's fair. You know, but that is something that's where I'm leaning with Rio because I know Aubrey Plaza has said through press and stuff there's more to her than meets the eye. So. She's a transformer. She Transformers one just came out today. Surprise, there's a there's a transformer named Rio in that, and it's voiced by Aubrey Plaza. But those are my two like main theories at the moment. OK, I have a question though.

24:24 So as a hardcore comic fan that you are, I am always curious. Let's say it's she's not black heart, right? Let's say she's a new character. How do you feel about new characters being introduced in the MC? UI think it's fine. Yeah, I it doesn't bother me, you know what I mean? I I think that there's characters where you know, like Jennifer Kael is a character in the comics and I don't care what they do with that character only because like she is a sort of minor character. And the fact that any character that's getting attached to a name in a big TV show like this is really cool because I do feel like it gives the opportunity for those characters in the comics that have been forgotten or haven't been written in how long to, I don't know, maybe come back in some way.

25:17 Like Agatha Harkness because of Wanda Vision. She's de aged a little bit. She's like sexy Agatha now and she had a whole like big like Marvel Comics spanning run with the crap. What was it was like chaos conquest, I think it was called so it it like involved The Avengers and everything like that. So like I like it. I like it when like characters are introduced that are new that maybe might mix some characters together which. I feel like they've done in the past. Right. I just don't want any Ralph Boner situations where it's like, to us it was a fun Easter egg because it's like that is Quicksilver in the Fox universe. But like for the show purposes, it went nowhere. It could have been anyone.

25:58 Right. And it was a boner joke. So it was like, weird. Yeah. So I'm hoping that, like, I, I don't think they're going to do that again. I don't think Rio is going to be like red herring. I do think Teen is going to be interesting. I think that let's get into Teen. Oh God, another theory corner. I want to say just First off. Let's talk about Joe Locke. Well, that's what I'm going to say. Joe Locke's American accent is fantastic. It's not bad. And I don't want to say anything against Heartstopper because we all know I'm a Die Hard. Which we will be covering on the. Podcast we sure will season 3, But he feels like a more mature actor in this. I feel he's more believable in this role. And I don't know if it's because just the level of writing between the two.

26:45 Well, I think in one he is playing a a kid, and in this one he's playing in a more mature show. Yeah, a teenager. I, I did see an interview with him where he said something along the lines of it was really fun getting to dig into something with a little more depth. And so I feel like you could really see that, like I just am loving him. I'm I feel like he's doing whoever teen is, he's doing a great job bringing them to life. I, I really like it. I love the dynamic between Agatha and Teen. I think it's so much fun. I, I just, I'm loving every single bit of it. I'm just like more of it. It could just be these two in this entire show and they'll be happy. The bonuses we get Patti Lufone and Aubrey Plaza and everybody else.

27:27 So it's like, yes, I like teen I, I'm very interested because I'm one of the gays. I'm one of the people on the side of if this is Billy Kaplan, if this is Wiccan, I'm fine with it. Like I, I don't really fully understand why people are against it. Joe Locke being Wiccan, I think I've heard like it's like easy, like obviously he would be Wiccan, which I think it's like not a bad thing, but you know, if you have like reasons, I'd love to know like I'm all ears. But I believe he would do a good job. Now I do think he could be another character which I think would play a big part in Scarlet Witch coming back via whatever, but also just a interesting character outside of Wiccan in the comics.

28:17 Like I was talking about more recently, there is a character that Agatha makes which is like a human boy form of the dark hold. That's who I think if it's not Wiccan, I could see teen being because the dark holds also gone gone. It got smooshed with with Wanda I believe, right? That was the that's what happened at the end of Multiverse of Madness. If I'm wrong please correct me, but I think that the Darkhold's missing or gone and so is Wanda. And then Teen shows up. I don't know, like magically could have just appeared in people's lives. We don't have to believe him.

28:57 He could have a boyf, but it's real. Who's boyf right? Yeah. Is it all real or is he just making up? He lives in east of you. That's convenient. Yeah. So I have not really theories, but I have some guesses that are out of completely out of left field that probably will hold no validity. My major thing that I'm like duh, is that he is Nicholas Scratch. Interesting. He's the son she forgot about and now he's back trying to get her out of this. And like somehow his memory and stuff was wiped. Or all along, which kind of goes along with my second theory is that actually he's evil, and so he's trying to get Agatha to go down the road for his own real evil purposes. I mean, yeah, I guess he showed up and then Rio showed up, so. Because also I in my light research like Nicholas Scratch, although he is her son, he's been an adversary of Agatha as well, right?

29:56 And he's actually, like you said, the father of the Salem 7. So it feels like if we're going down this road of introducing Nicholas Scratch, he could possibly be an evil version of him or something like that. Some would say a witch's road down this road. Witch's road. Now, I actually that's not a bad idea. Like, So what you're saying is Rio and Agatha played with forbidden magic, made a magical baby named Nicholas Scratch, and then all this stuff happened and now their baby is back and it's going to be a fight between the moms? Which baby? Actually, that's not a bad it. It could be. Or if we're going to the Nicholas Scratch theory, what if his father is Nicholas Scratch?

30:42 We don't know who his parents are. Grandma Agatha says Grandma. Because OK, so let's go into the part of like, his curse, right? Or the thing that's censoring. Is it right? Is it that she can't hear it or he can't say it? Well, this is the thing, this is what I'm curious about because when she sees the scribble on his lips, which is also in the promotional materials like the ones where it was, I don't like the tarot cards. I believe that symbol is on the sides of them. So any important signifier or identifier of him, he can't say to her. And I'm saying to her, because anytime he has tried to say anything around the other witches in the coven, she, like, puts him off.

31:26 She's like, yeah, She's like, oh, he's this thing. Like she kind of stops. She literally covers his mouth sometimes. Right. And I think because when she first sees that symbol, she recognizes it. I think she recognizes the witch or whoever put it on him or her in general and doesn't want them to see. So it's very interesting. So is there somebody else at play or is that Rio? I think it's the only time will tell it it's. Safe to say that we don't know. But I want to know guys, we're back into like weekly theorizing and just like having fun with us. We're in a happy place. Yeah, we're in a happy place. We're going to just make guesses that don't make any sense because we can.

32:09 Do you have any like thoughts on the curse? I'm just calling it a curse. I don't know what else to call it. Hex. The curse on him well, I think the so I think that the curse is there or whatever it is so she doesn't know who he truly is right so maybe he's whoever but Rio has cursed him right, because she just. It's just like he is teen him. Well, because I also thought it was interesting that teen was in that closet. Granted, he had some tape on him, that's fine. But there's like this giant brawl happening right outside the closet and he doesn't come out and try to help in any way or intervene in any way.

32:51 Well, he was tied up. He ends up standing up and sitting on the couch at some point. Yeah, well, I mean, he was just kidnapped by a out of her mind Agatha. She just came out of the hex and she kidnapped him. I'm just saying that if we they're working together, it makes sense that he wouldn't intervene in the fight at all. Right, right. It is true. I think that we, I'm going to be trying to pay close attention to seeing how people are interacting with each other and what they are and aren't saying to each other because it is going to seem like people aren't going to give full information. Because one of the really cool things that I'd liked seeing in this is when she's going around and finding her coven, right? Each witch that joins the coven has a reason to go on the road in some form or fashion.

33:40 So it's going to be interesting to see like who betrays, doesn't betray, helps or whatever. Who Because you know, we have Jennifer Kale. She doesn't have magic anymore. She really would love to have magic again. She could do that on Witches Road. We have Patti Lupone's character. She is living not great. And she used to be like the person in the villages or the towns that they would go to. Driven out because of that. Right. And then we have Alice. Her mother disappeared on the Witch's Road. Do you think that her mother was part of Agatha's coven that never came back from the Witch's Road? A. 100 percent, 100% they.

34:21 Just don't know. Right. And that's the thing, and you have to wonder though, does Agatha know? Because I think at this point in time, right, no one is willing to work with Agatha freely because of how awful she is. So she had to find witches that desperately needed to go down the Witches Rd. It was really interesting if you think about like how they interacted with her. It wasn't that they were scared of her, right, which I thought was interesting. They were more like you have a bad reputation. It's just not worth it. Like you know what it like you are the reason why like covens are the way they are. Whatever. So it's it's an interesting like precedent that she set because she's so old and she's been like, she is the legend, she is the myth old.

35:03 Yeah. And they're just kind of like, no, but then they get convinced to go right. And I, I'm curious, like, did she actually think that they could open it? Because it did seem like she was trying to egg them on when the Salem 7 was coming to like Shooter with the powers to absorb them. Yeah, I think at the, I think we always have to remember that with Agatha at the bottom of it all, Agatha is only looking out for one person and it's Agatha. So I think in any situation she's got a plan AB and C. And so in that situation, you know, maybe she really didn't think they were going to open it. She's like, OK, well if we do, cool. We'll deal with that. She got Missus Davis, who isn't a witch. So far, we know. Because she didn't want to get Rio. Right.

35:46 But but to open the witch's road, you need a coven. So it's like you got a witch that you think anyone that you knew wasn't a witch. So you would think that it wouldn't actually work. Very good point. But then it did work. So interesting. Yeah. I think she didn't think it was going to work. And then it worked. And she's like, Oh, well, OK. Well, maybe everyone that lived in Westview because they were under Wanda's control for so long has a little bit of magic in them. You know what I think? Tell me. I think it's like a Ned situation, Ned from Spider Man where he was able to use the sling ring. I think that she might be magical in some way, she just doesn't know it. That's what I hope for, Misses Davis. She might truly be, you know, a terror witch, a green witch. Look at her garden was gorgeous.

36:31 And apparently, you know what? Agatha thought she was taking pictures of her Jane Doe, but in reality, it was probably just Misses Davis's garden. And I love teens. Like those are just flowers. What are you talking about? They were, yeah. It wasn't a body. Also one other thing as far as queer representation in this, I love Teen really being a delightful host and putting up a banner and serving old granola bars. Like how you're like, that's queer. Mama, I have a great host, OK? Am I not? Yeah. You've seen my charcuterie. I just like how you're equating good host to queer. Put a banner up, you're probably gay, he made.

37:12 That. He did make that which like magic. Crafty. And then she ripped it apart. Rude. I just love so Speaking of Missus Davis, I loved that that scene 1 the the Ballad of the Witches Rd. Fantastic. Everybody can sing. I'm glad you got Patti Lupone to sing. You have to Katherine Hahn. Fantastic. Everybody's fantastic, but I loved it. They, it seemed like a little bit of an homage to That 70s Show because they're all in the basement and the camera doesn't necessarily turn like it did in that 70s Show, but it goes to each one like a jump cuts to them. It, it just felt like that's what was happening. So I, I really liked that, But I loved that she was just happy to be there and happy to be included.

37:56 She was just swinging hands. Yeah, she was just following along. She's like, I guess I can get the down, down, down part at the end. But it's kind of sad, right? Because her husband passed away. We learned. And so she's like, OK, I'll go to a party. She's like, yeah, I'll go in your basement. OK, I'll sing this song. What if I was just. I just remembered that she showed up in the episode earlier when she ran over teen. Yeah, which Jesus, that wasn't in like a fake thing. That was in real life. She ran over teen but I'm curious if she thought that Agatha was like going to come after her because of that. But then she just invited to her party and she's like, yes, please, I'll. Do anything, please don't kill me. She's like, are we supposed to know the song?

38:37 Yeah, I know. It was so cute. And then even once they, you know, the, the Salem 7's coming and they go down into the whole hole, like the witch's road, the witch's road down the stairs, she like just watches them take her shoes, their shoes off. She's like, OK, I'll take my shoes off. Nothing better happened to her. I swear I know. What did you think about the Salem 7? Oh my gosh, so scary. So scary. Fantastic. They were so creepy. And you know, it's like funny. Is that like if you look at the comic representation of the Salem 7, especially like one of the original ones, they were like a group of mutants kind of. Yeah, I feel like they're the same, but not like the costumes aren't crazy, you know?

39:20 But. But this is this feels like a very, like sleek, updated version of creepy witches, right? Yeah, like, especially with like the lace over their faces so you can't really see them. Did. You notice that the lace on their faces resembled an animal, A different animal. Oh, I didn't. Yeah, there was some with like different ears and like different stuff because we we saw the animals throughout. It's right. And each one of the Salem 7 like represents some type of animal. Yeah, what did we see? We saw a crow, a wolf, a mouse. I would say a rat. A rat because it was not cute. No, there were a couple other. Was it just those three? Just those three. Yeah. So that was that was very cool. So Agatha knew they were coming. Yeah, of course she did. She felt it. She knew it was. She knew it was going to happen.

40:01 Yeah. She was hoping that she could get juiced up to fight them in some way. But they ended up going down the Witches Rd. anyway. Yeah. And I'm really curious because it didn't happen right away, like the door opening, because Agatha even says like this, it should have happened by now. And I don't know if she was like playing that up and she knew it was going to wasn't going to happen. But as soon as Teen came down the stairs, it opened and it happened. So I'm either curious if it's because of Teen's presence or because of the Salem 7 because they started coming down the stairs as well and they just needed that like extra. That magical force? Right, the extra little bit of magic. Interesting. So we got our divination, which we got our potions, which our green, which maybe I mean Rio's going to show back up. Obviously we know that we got Sweet misses Davis and we got protector which and then Agatha and team. Who is the witch?

40:54 Yeah, I'm really excited. I'm so excited. We got a little tiny glimpse of the Witches Rd. So much more is going to be happening in this. I can't wait. I think the next episode might be like 70s ish if I'm not mistaken. I will say be very careful out there with like stuff that's been released from production and casting because there are some names that I have seen. I'm like cool, didn't want to know that that was coming. So just be very careful out there. There's also my let's mild spoiler with like the Salem Sevens like stuff. So again be. Very careful, for lack of a better term. We won't be saying that kind of thing. Like when if I see something that is like oh shit I won't say.

41:39 It like an actual plot spoiler. If I'm theorizing and it happens to be true, yeah, me. Kudos to us a plus. Yeah, but so that's Agatha all along. I think it's a great start. I'm more excited to see what's to come. I think it did a great job of setting it up. I need more. I need more Abu Plaza like immediately. And I'm really interested to see what shape the rest of the series takes. Right? So in episode 2 out of nine, we're already on the Witch's road. So how many more episodes is it going to be 1 episode for each of them going forward in each of their trials? I think so, right? It would it would almost have to because what we have Agatha, teen Rio, Alice, Alice, Jennifer and Lilia and Lilia.

42:26 So six and one episode. 2 So that's eight, and then one is the last one. Right, They could be. Each one kind of gets their own little trial. We'll see. Interesting. Oh, last thing, one last thing. Could have say this for the next one. But whatever. It was kind of nice to see everybody how they reacted to the Scarlet Witch outside of everything, because it was one thing to see them in the square in one division with all of them being like, let us go or like let us die. But seeing like the graffiti on the plot and everybody being like, Boo, thank you for, you know, doing this.

43:07 It was kind of nice to see like, OK, it's not like just brushed over glam. Oh, absolutely. That would have been really a disservice to the series. I mean because. Even Dottie was just like. Yeah. We hate you, Agatha. Yeah. Exactly. Well, imagine you so not so you were, you know, for how long you were trapped by by Wanda, but now you have to deal with the byproducts of that fight, the wild neighbor who's always in a different world, driving her weird car in her living in her living room. Exactly. And also like the fact that they agreed to do that, you know what I mean? I do feel like the male guy was kind of like over it because he was like there was a fire, good luck, just like left out of there.

43:49 But I, I think it's like it says something to them of just, OK, I guess we have to deal with this. Right, because the alternative might be being controlled again, or death. So we'll just deal with it. Or death. At least they have autonomy now, yeah. That's great. Go on their little lives and enjoy it. Besides Agatha, you know. All right, I think that wraps it up for episode 1 and 2 at Agatha All along AAA, if you will. Yeah. Let us know what you thought. Comment below Discord and we'll see you next week. On the Witches Rd. Episode 3 Goodbye bye.