Nov. 2, 2024

'Agatha All Along' Finale EPs 8 & 9 Review | End of the Witches Road

'Agatha All Along' Finale EPs 8 & 9 Review | End of the Witches Road
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'Agatha All Along' Finale EPs 8 & 9 Review | End of the Witches Road

Face the last trial as we discuss the final episodes of Agatha All Along EPs 8: Follow Me My Friend, To Glory at the End & 9: Maiden Mother Crone!

On the menu: Jen becomes unbound, Tommy finds his place in the world, a backyard battle to the Death, Billy’s wicked Wiccan costume, Nicky’s song, Agatha century long con, our thoughts on the series as a whole, and more!

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Are you a good witch or are you
a bad witch on the road?

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I think we're all just bitches.
I'm Derek, and that's Noah, and

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we're feeling extra special and
magical to wrap up Agatha all

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along on a bite of Oh my God,
glitter chest hair.

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I mean, I do have to say
amazing, like glitter beard.

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So one thing about Derek is
anytime there's a festive

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activity, glitter beard and it
is amazing.

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Thank you.
If you cannot see us, YouTube or

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Spotify, please.
We did all this work.

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Watch this I and I have to say
something about Noah and that

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Noah is a detail person.
So I was just like, yeah, green

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face paint.
And then he was like, oh, I got

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yellow.
I was like, yellow for what?

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He's like highlights.
And then he's like, oh, I got

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this.
I'm like, what's that?

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He's like, it's setting powder.
I was like, oh, so Noah looks

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spectacular as well.
And absolutely put in the effort

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for this.
Amazing.

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Alphaba No, I mean, I'm, I'm
going more like wicked Witch

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Agatha.
You know, we're very much

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obviously episode 7.
You're Lilia.

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I'm Agatha.
When this comes out, it's past

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Halloween, but Halloween is all
year round.

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We figured why not get fun when
I get festive?

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We just talked about, oh, Joe
Locke can dress up as a a witch,

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why not us?
And I have to say, I think this

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is like our first time.
I mean, I don't know if you

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would consider this drag, but
it's like our first time.

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Really like playing with makeup
and stuff.

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Look at us radar fits.
Feeling fancy?

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I'm trying not to move too much
because this is like I feel like

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the closest to a corset I'm ever
going to wear.

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It just fit you like a glove.
Oh my.

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God, all right, so.
Zipped right up like butter, it

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was beautiful.
I'm going to try my hardest to

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keep a straight face while while
we're doing this, but Agatha all

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along 2 episode finale, it's
finally over.

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We got all of our questions
answered.

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Question mark, we have a lot to
discuss this one.

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Spoilers ahead for Agatha, for
MCU, for comic book stuff, for,

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you know, just anything and
everything.

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And you know, this is not a
Wicked promo.

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Just want to put that out there,
starting that.

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The timing is impeccable.
All right, so let us officially

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take a bite of Agatha All Along.
Episode 8, Follow me My friend

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to Glory at the End written by
Peter Cameron and episode 9,

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Maiden Mother Crone written by
Jack Shaffer and Laura Donnie,

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both episodes directed by Ganja
Montero.

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Billy's existence has thrown the
natural balance off, and death

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wants to collect what is owed.
Agatha, Jen, and the teen enter

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the final trial where secrets
are uncovered.

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A glimpse into Agatha's past
shows how the road was paved and

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what lies ahead may have trials
of its own.

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Oh my God.
OK, so credits roll.

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Agatha episode 9 ended.
How do you feel about, let's

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just say, the series and these
two episodes?

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How do you feel about the
ending?

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So I think the series as a whole
was incredibly strong.

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It was a lot of fun.
I think that they just brought

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everything we had wanted right
as far as the last two episodes.

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I loved getting a back story
moment right.

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That was something that we were
waiting for all season.

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But I do think that some things
that were revealed felt a little

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questionable to me as far as too
simple in a way or not explained

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enough.
So the ending, I think it left

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us on a really good point.
But to get to there, I have some

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questions, OK.
How about you?

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I think we'll obviously get into
those.

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I really liked it.
I think that from a story

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standpoint and a technical
standpoint, masterful.

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I mean, every single thing that
they did from the beginning was

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called back to towards the end.
But I do agree.

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I, I feel like there are some
things where they gave us,

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they're like, hey, look at this
thing.

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They dangled the carrot in front
of us and then they were like,

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we're not going to mention it
again or like really show you

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anything.
You're just going to have to

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trust us, which I feel like
that's myself.

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That's how we're trained with TV
now.

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Because I was thinking back, I'm
like, why do I like, why am I

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upset that they didn't show us
this thing?

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And I think it's because
everything now they have to show

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us when like if I think back to
Lost or even Doctor Who or

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something, like I feel like I
mentioned those two shows a lot,

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but they don't have to show us
everything, right?

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It's like it's more about the
journey.

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It's about the thing that
happened.

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And you just have to like be
like, OK, this was inferred.

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This is fine, right?
So that's my own thing that I

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have to work through, but I do
feel like some things could

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have, you know, used a little
more breathing room.

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But as far as these two
episodes, I loved, you know, the

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flashback episode.
I I like it when they give us

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that.
So I guess starting out, let's

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get into the episode, because I
feel like I don't want to be

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like these are the things that
are amazing and these are the

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things that aren't before we get
into it.

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But to starting out, I'm glad we
got Alice one more time.

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Am I still salty that she died?
Yes.

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Yeah, I agree.
And it was it was like, oh, OK,

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it's official, right?
Rio collected a body or a spirit

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or whatever it is.
But at the same time, it was

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like kind of heartbreaking
because Alice is like, this is

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so unfair.
I finally broke the curse and

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now you're taking me.
So it's just one of those things

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where a character you love gets
an ending that seems not right,

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just because we love them and we
want them to be happy.

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Right.
And then again, it's us, right?

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I don't think death is fair.
I think both of these episodes

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really showed that.
Like, sometimes boys die, you

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know?
How dare you?

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This early in the episode.
I'm sorry, Wicked Witch.

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OK, I'm sorry.
I didn't paint my hands, but I

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did paint my nails.
I just, I'm sorry, this green

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makeup is really just bringing
out the green in your eyes.

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They look like crystal green.
It's just magical.

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Thank you.
Yeah, I, I this paint actually

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doesn't set well, so I didn't
want to get green everywhere

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anyway.
Yeah, I mean, I think, but I

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think that line is so important.
One, it's a devastating line.

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When we get to the 9th episode
or when it comes up, I feel like

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that episode is so incredibly
sad.

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I'm very surprised that we got
it in this show, but I shouldn't

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be surprised because of Wanda
Vision.

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I mean, Wanda Vision, especially
the episode with Agatha and

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Wanda going through her memories
and everything was like, oh

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shit, I should have realized
that it was going to be a 12 gut

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punch and this one.
But I do feel like Alice, like

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even though she was upset and
she was us in that moment of

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like, I just lifted the curse, I
like just got to like I can

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finally live again.
And we all felt that way because

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it was like she did hurt the
curse.

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She got rid of it and then Rio's
like, you were a protection

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witch, You died protecting
someone, protecting someone.

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And it's like, OK, fine, death.
But also I don't like it.

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No, I don't like it at all.
Now, do you think we need to

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question why we saw Rio take
Alice, but we didn't see her

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take Lilia?
I think Lilia's death, I think

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it ended properly.
Like, I don't think we needed to

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see her on like impaled and
stuff, you know, and like her

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ushering her, her spirit away.
I think we needed to see death

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do her job.
And I, I'm glad it was Alice

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because Alice didn't get that
much screen time.

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So at least we got to see her a
little bit more.

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Can I throw a hypothesis out
there that just lets Lilia

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survive?
Is that fair?

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Oh sure.
So as we see later in the

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episode is that once you achieve
your goal right in the trial,

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you kind of pop out on top of
the earth.

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You're out of it.
So maybe Lilia in sacrificing

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herself and knowing that she has
a coven and seeing that she had

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so much fun, which is the one
thing that she always wanted to

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have a family to fit in.
Before she hits the swords, she

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pops out and she's actually I
feel.

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Like we need a different word
than pops out, but Oh no, it's

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just so.
Silly.

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She emerges.
She's the road.

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That's too clinical.
She.

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She.
No, I don't know.

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OK.
I'm too pretty to think of big

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words.
I can't.

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Oh, my God.
It's taken over.

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Glenda would know, though.
She.

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She.
You are Lilia in this.

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That's true.
What would I?

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What would I say?
Well, OK, so I think if we're

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going with that, there is a
moment in the seventh episode

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where she tells Agatha when
she's leaving, when she calls

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you a coward duck.
And we see that that's in the

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ninth episode, that's in the
finale.

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So how did Lilia see that?
Because everything that we have

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seen so far is Lilia is there
experiencing that in some way.

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And my only guess, and this is
to go just to counter your

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theory a little bit, is that her
spirit is there somewhere and

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she saw it happening.
But I do like the thing that we

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were talking about earlier where
when we see her younger self and

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she gives that smile and it's
like, oh, she can finally like,

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live her life knowing that she
was in her power, had a covenant

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and everything like that.
Like she's strong in her

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abilities.
I don't know.

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It's like one way or another,
but I like to think that she is

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there.
I don't know.

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But but I, I I don't know.
Could she have left?

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Why not?
I mean.

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Then like it would be weird if
we never saw her again.

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Well, that's what I'm saying, is
that we now have the option to

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see her at some point.
I mean, right, there's all this,

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we have the Vision show, there
might be some sort of Scarlet

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Witch movie.
Maybe there's going to be Billy

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all along or something, or
Wiccan all along.

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So maybe she'll be back.
Maybe.

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Can can Wiccan feel her?
I don't know.

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Oh my God, this, this boy does
this boy.

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OK, so going what did you think
about the Agatha and Rio

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conversation prior to Jen and
Billy catching up to to them?

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And this is the moment where we
get kind of the crux of the

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ending episodes of that boy is
an abomination.

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You need to give me his body
like he should not be.

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He shouldn't exist.
He got a second chance at life.

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This shouldn't happen.
I think this conversation just

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kind of, I don't want to say
confused me, but it really was

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asking the question is who is
Agatha going to be right?

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And so basically she has to get
Billy to surrender himself to

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death, to volunteer to leave.
And so we're seeing again, is

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Agatha telling the truth or is
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Is she going to get it to happen
or is she just telling death

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that so that they can move on
and keep going?

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I mean, that's one thing that I
love about Agatha.

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Again, you never know.
You do not know even up until

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the last second, even when
Wiccan gave her some of the

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power back and everything and he
came back for her.

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The very end when they're
battling outside of Ralph

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Boner's house in the backyard
and she was going to leave him.

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And then when she find when he
like broke through with

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telepathy and was like, is this
how Nicholas Scratch died?

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And somehow that changed her
mind.

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But then she ended up
sacrificing herself, right.

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So it's interesting.
Even up until the last second,

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Agatha was still going to be
Agatha.

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But which one is actually true?
And I think that is something

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that the series was trying to
figure out.

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And I like that it still left it
with she can be good.

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She doesn't have to be wicked.
She doesn't have to be bad.

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And it really depends on her
covenant, who's there with her.

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I did think it was interesting
that he, like, she can't just

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take his soul.
He has to willingly give it up.

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That is really interesting.
And I'm not sure if that's just

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like the nature of whatever
we're doing here, right?

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They had to set up some rules
and it was like, oh, that's why

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Rio couldn't just end this whole
thing, right?

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Yeah, because I guess Rio can't.
Rio isn't the one killing you,

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right?
You have to die and then death

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takes your soul.
So she can't just go around

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slashing people to kill them
just to take their souls, right?

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She can't just reap them because
she wants to.

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So it's it's like the actual act
of dying has to be on the menu

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already for her to order it, you
know?

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For her to follow through or you
cheating death in some type of

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way right?
It's just interesting that she's

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so hung up.
She's so hung up on Billy, she

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can't stop.
It's just that natural balance

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in the world and she can feel
that and so, but again, it's

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like just like wait for him to
fall down some stairs or

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something.
You know, well, he's been doing

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pretty fine for the last three
years.

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You know, we get to this moment
where, you know, The thing is

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set right.
Agatha's like, OK, I will

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convince him to do that.
But when I die a long, long,

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long time, 26 minutes later, I
don't ever want to see your

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face, which I felt was really
heartbreaking.

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But when we actually found out
what happened with Nikki and

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everything, it made sense.
And if you think about it, she's

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reliving that same thing again,
right?

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This, this boy that she loves in
some way that she cares for, you

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know, very much mirrors her
relationship to Nicholas, her

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son.
And so here is death again,

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waiting to take that from her.
So how do you?

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How do you what?
Sorry, it's just like listening

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to the conversation and then
seeing what you look like.

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Oh my God.
This little magical pen.

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This is my.
Word.

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I didn't mean to.
I didn't mean to derail you a

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little.
Bit I mean, how could I not feel

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magical at this?
You look magical.

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It's.
Just like we're talking about

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death and it's like, you look
gorgeous.

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Listen, there's a balance in
life, right?

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There's light and dark down to
us right now, in this moment.

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Anyway, I forgot what I was
saying, but that's fine.

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So.
Oh, right.

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So again, So you know, we never
really saw the love story,

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right?
Oh my God.

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We but we did see that they are
very weird exes who still see

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each other and.
And disagree on things.

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Yeah.
OK, I'll, I'll, I have some

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thoughts on like the Agatha Ria
thing.

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We'll get to it after the trial.
I feel like because I feel like

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it would be a weird thing to
split up.

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Right.
OK, it's our it's our episode.

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We do what we want.
Yeah.

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I, I, I agree, though, I think
that she saw a lot of Nikki in

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Billy and really, I don't know,
tried to hang on to having that

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relationship as much as you can.
And also, in the end, mentoring,

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right?
And that's what she ultimately

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should have been doing,
especially with the coven.

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She belonged in a coven, not
killing covens.

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So when we got to the point
where you see the shoes and it's

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a circle, right?
I think that's when I think for

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us, it really clicked of like,
oh, OK, like, this is like,

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yeah, we know what's happening
here now, Like something fishy

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is going on.
And then knowing that the last

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trial was pretty much in the
basement of Agatha's house, but

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it was a green witch trial with
no green witch, right?

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How did you feel about the last
trial?

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What did you think?
Well, I do want to say that it

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seems like the Witch's Road is
just a board game, right?

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You just pass, go, but you do
not collect $200.

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As far as the last trial, I
thought it was interesting,

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right?
What was it trying to signify

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again?
I guess death, right?

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They wake up in a morgue.
And how do you bring life out of

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death?
So I thought it was an

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interesting concept.
I think the more that we're

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talking about it, the more I am
realizing that these two

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episodes were literally just all
about death, you know, not the

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character, but just dying in the
act of death.

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And so I thought that it was
cool.

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I like that it was stark.
All the other ones were a lot

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more fanciful.
And in this moment, it felt a

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little more desperate, right?
How do we get out of here?

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Even with the ticking lights?
You know, I thought that that

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was really genius.
And, you know, as the lights are

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going out, it's getting darker.
So death and getting and failing

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is getting closer and closer to
them.

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And with the grow lights, that
was really cool.

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Jen really knocked it out of the
park.

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I I'm glad she got her moment
right.

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So if she would have gone, if
she would have taken the right

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fork when she was overly in the
tunnels and left, she would have

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never got unbound.
I I thought this was a really

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powerful moment for Jen.
I loved the unbinding ritual,

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but the fact of like, it was
Agatha that bound her.

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It Did you think, do you think
that Agatha knew or do you think

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that she didn't know or kind of
knew?

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Personally, this was one of my
biggest hang ups about these two

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episodes.
Was that out of nowhere?

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We just learned that it wasn't
the scary guy that took her

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powers and it just turned out to
be Agatha, who was, quote,

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passing through.
Like, I would have loved a

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flashback moment of seeing
Agatha just being in the same

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area as that guy to just connect
them together, other than just

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her being like, oh, yeah, I just
did it for some money.

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So that didn't sit right with
me.

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I will not I agree.
I I think that it was like an

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easy way to do it right?
Because I guess how else would

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How's my hat?
I felt like it was like falling

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off.
I felt like, how would they have

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unbound her magic in the trials,
Right.

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And they could have made-up any
type of rule.

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I do like that you have to
either use or whatever the

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person that bound you to unbind
you.

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So having that moment of it
being Agatha that did it and

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showing that again, she fucked
over somebody that like she

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shouldn't have done in the 1st
place.

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Yeah, I, I mean, I think it's
easy.

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I do think one line that she did
say, she was like, either do it

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or burn, you know.
So I think that they were going

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to either burn Agatha unless she
did it.

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So it's like Agatha didn't
really have a choice.

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But the fact that she knew that
probably could have been Jen and

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left her like that for 100 years
is like just perpetuating this

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thing if like Agatha doing the
thing that everybody thinks she

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would do.
Yeah, it, it, it feels like, you

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know, other than Death's
actions, Agatha kind of knows

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everything, right?
She, she knows what everybody's

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doing.
She knows who everybody is.

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So how did she forget that she
was the one that bound Jen, you

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know?
So, you know, when you bind

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another witch, does it give you
power?

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So maybe she was unwilling to
unbind Jen because she was

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afraid that she wouldn't get all
of her power back.

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Well I I literally think it was
because they were going to kill

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her.
Like she didn't have a choice.

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I just mean in this in this
moment, meeting Jen and knowing

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that she was the one that did
it, you know, although I guess

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if you've killed hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds of

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witches, most likely it doesn't
matter.

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It doesn't matter.
And maybe you can't keep tabs on

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everyone you effed over.
So not at all.

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So I guess I'll give I'll give
Agatha that grace.

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But you know, I I didn't like
you said, I love this moment for

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Jen.
I thought that the sheer Zameida

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did an incredible job in acting
in this, and it was nice to just

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see one of our coven members be
able to.

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I wouldn't even, in my mind,
succeed.

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Yeah, 'cause I was going to say
defeat Agatha, but that's not

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it.
But you're right, it's the

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opposite.
Succeed and do what they went

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there to do and to get the prize
back of her power.

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Because in this whole thing,
although Jen was selfish in a

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lot of the trials, which Agatha
points out, she loved Lilia.

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She cared for Teen.
I think she liked Alice too.

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So.
She was very she had to be

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protective of herself because
she was the only one watching

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out for herself for the longest
time.

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But at the end she came to love
her coven and so I think her

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journey was worth it and she
deserved getting her powers

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back.
Yeah, I I love the like I deny

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your power over me.
Oh, so good.

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And just like chanting over and
over to release that she took a

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lot of hair from her, but she
deserved it.

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Yeah, she deserve it.
RIP her hair off.

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But I agree.
I think that Jen deserved it and

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you know, if you look at all
these witches, they all did

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things that they needed to do to
survive as a witch.

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She would think that would do
over the centuries.

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I don't blame her one bit, but
I'm I'm very excited to see if

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we're going to see her again.
I know that there's rumors of

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her going to be in the Midnight
Suns movie.

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There's a Midnight Suns rumor
happening.

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So it's very supernatural side.
I'm like Edward, call it

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Midnight Sun.
Oh no, I was like, why are you

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looking like that?
No, this predates that.

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Gotcha.
Obviously so it's a it's a

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supernatural team, so it's going
to be really interesting if we

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do see her.
But that moment where you see

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her get her power back and that
she's just on the floor and just

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such like relief and, you know,
being finally whole is just a

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beautiful thing to see.
Yeah, that piece of her was

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missing for so long, and finally
she was reunited with it.

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Yeah, I was really, really happy
for Jen in this.

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I thought that was exciting.
Woo Hoo.

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So now the rest of this trial,
right?

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Because Jen disappears.
And so again we see Agatha

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helping Billy achieve his goal,
which kind of goes against what

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we thought she might do as far
as Rio is concerned.

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This is where it gets
interesting.

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I think she kept going back and
forth.

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She was like flipping and
flopping.

420
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,600
Whenever she's presented in
front of Rio, she's one way, and

421
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,160
then when she's with Billy,
she's another.

422
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,760
I think when she's faced with
the fact that Billy could

423
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,000
possibly die again, when Billy
reminds her, is this how Nikki

424
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,320
died, I think she realizes and
she wants to help.

425
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,240
I thought this last two parts
with them figuring out this is

426
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,400
the end of the trial.
Once you like do the thing

427
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,600
you're supposed to do, you're
out.

428
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,840
It was very intense, which I
liked.

429
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,360
I think Billy, who crafted this
all.

430
00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:27,760
It was Billy all along, right?
We knew, we, we theorized that,

431
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,600
but for it to actually be that
and then to think of everything

432
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,280
that happened, it was like, it's
so interesting that Billy

433
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,080
created this thing, but it's
still functioned with the rules

434
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,960
that he created and he just
didn't know it.

435
00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:46,360
Him having to find a vessel for
Tommy, and on top of that

436
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,680
finding the vessel of Thomas
Shepard, that's the body that

437
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,000
Tommy goes into.
And one I love that they keep

438
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,880
finding names where it's like
Tommy and Billy, they're like

439
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,680
nicknames of William and Thomas.
But it's so incredibly sad of he

440
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,800
found a vessel and he says
nobody loves him and he's

441
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:10,120
currently being drowned, drowned
from bullying is so incredibly

442
00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:12,680
sad.
I don't know.

443
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,440
I just wanted to make sure we
didn't like, skirt over the fact

444
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,560
of like the body that Tommy is
going into and the life he's

445
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,920
going into is so sad.
And Billy is going to have to

446
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,920
like find him.
He has to find him.

447
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:31,120
Quickly save him and imagine
you're Tommy and you've been put

448
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:34,360
in this body that has this
horrible life and here comes

449
00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:38,560
your twin brother looking all
fancy in his costume and like

450
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,160
just living it up for the last
however long.

451
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,080
I I think there might be some
bitterness there.

452
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,920
It there is a question though,
because we, we found out from

453
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,200
Rio that Tommy is out there.
He's like there, he's just not

454
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,840
in a body.
He's floating, right.

455
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,240
And I, I believe there was
something that she said of like

456
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,000
if this body dies, like if
William's body dies, Billy will

457
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,360
just reincarnate again.
So it's going to be really

458
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,520
interesting to see if that's
like a thing that they can keep

459
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,280
doing because of how they were
made.

460
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,240
Yeah, I think, I don't know,
like does he know everything

461
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,720
that was happening?
Tommy, his like spirit?

462
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,400
If not, it's going to be
interesting of like will he know

463
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,640
who Wiccan is when he goes and
finds him?

464
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,280
Right.
And also, does this now still

465
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,840
have that imbalance that death
hates so much?

466
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,200
I think.
So right, it's the same

467
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,560
situation as Billy.
So it's almost like not only do

468
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,840
they have to save Tommy from the
life that he's been put into,

469
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,120
but they also have to figure out
a way to outsmart death again.

470
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,800
I mean, it's going to be
interesting because is the fact

471
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:48,720
that she got Agatha enough to
balance out the scales of Tommy

472
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,400
and Billy?
Because I'm wondering if from a

473
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,520
story perspective, it's like,
OK, we're going to have to do

474
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,160
with death again going after
Billy and Tommy.

475
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,640
But I guess maybe that's their
story starting out as they have

476
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:01,200
to go.
I don't.

477
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,360
I'm not too sure.
Yeah, I guess we'll have to see.

478
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,440
But I think it was, again, we
see Agatha, who is just always

479
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,840
having these internal struggles.
She helps Billy achieve his goal

480
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,440
and then Billy disappears from
the road.

481
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,320
Seeing Agatha figure out what
she needs to do, taking the

482
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,720
dandelion seed and growing it
from her tear and doing like

483
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,040
what she call it like analog
magic to literally grow it with

484
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,360
the last remnants of a grow
light.

485
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,680
I mean, I just Catherine Hunt
needs an award for this.

486
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,840
Even though, like, Billy did
take I, I think they shared the

487
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,320
spotlight, even though it was
Agatha's show.

488
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:43,960
I think Agatha and Katherine
Hahn really, really sold it.

489
00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:45,800
Yeah, sold it.
And you could tell that she

490
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,640
loves this character.
She's and it's a really

491
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,800
complicated character to play.
There's so much internal

492
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,600
struggle.
There's so much balance.

493
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,160
There's so much of her past
hundreds of years that her have

494
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,320
inferred her actions that I
think that Katherine Hahn had to

495
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,440
do a lot to balance to bring it
to life.

496
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,160
And you know, as we mentioned
before, this is when we get that

497
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,880
beautiful and heartbreaking
line.

498
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:13,040
You know, sometimes boys just
die because Billy's so concerned

499
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,160
saying, am I killing this other
boy to bring my brother to life?

500
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,120
And she's saying, no, you're
not.

501
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,080
He's just dying.
Because sometimes boys just die.

502
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:24,360
Yeah, which she knows too well.
Absolutely.

503
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,040
That's what she's lived.
It's the it's probably the thing

504
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,600
that's driven her to do
everything that she's done.

505
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,680
Well, I think we see that.
I, I, I do have some.

506
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,880
Yeah.
When we get to it, we'll get to

507
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,400
the flashback of like that
relationship between the mother

508
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,640
and the son and like what the
mother's going through and how

509
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,320
she treats the boy and stuff
like that.

510
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,200
Wrapping up the the 8th episode
I think you know when she

511
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,320
finally is like busts out of the
basement.

512
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,680
She didn't disappear.
She had to like literally claw

513
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,800
her way out of it.
I'm curious if that was Rio

514
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,520
starting to do that.
I thought it was hilarious to

515
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:04,480
see the Westview residents again
be like oh God is this happening

516
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,160
again?
Is it another hex?

517
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,080
They're just like, come on,
people, not again.

518
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,080
These poor people are just
trying to get on with their

519
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,720
lives.
They've had Wanda, they've had

520
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,360
to deal with Agatha playing, you
know, spy shows and now this

521
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,880
whatever's happening.
So I I hope that they're

522
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,720
relieved in some way.
I.

523
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,720
Guess they, you know, just
seeing the green swirling clouds

524
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,320
with some insane death entity
cackling on the roof.

525
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,120
It was nice to see them like one
last time.

526
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:40,880
What did you think about the the
final fight between Agatha

527
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,840
Wiccan and Death and then also
the costume reveal of Wiccan and

528
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,320
everybody else having costumes?
Yes.

529
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:50,040
I loved the costume reveal.
I thought that was awesome.

530
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,280
I mean him just floating and
wielding his power and it was

531
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,360
very much a cool modern take on
the on the costume, right?

532
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:04,640
It wasn't so superhero Y, it was
more like I'm a teenager who

533
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,160
found these kind of cool clothes
in my closet and I have a Cape.

534
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,560
Yes, yeah.
I mean, it, it looks exactly

535
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,240
like what little Billy and
Westview wore for Halloween,

536
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,240
right?
Because they knew what his

537
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,840
costume looked like.
But it was a nice, like,

538
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,680
upgraded, more mature version of
it.

539
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,200
But it does give off like, oh,
this is a cool moment of like

540
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,360
seeing like, oh, this is what
he's gonna look like.

541
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:28,320
But it's very much like this is
a first costume, right?

542
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:30,040
It looked beautiful.
It looked amazing.

543
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,560
That hood so good.
It looked like light and like

544
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,400
heavy at the same time.
Daniel Sellen, who is the

545
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,360
costume designer for the show,
go look at their Instagram

546
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,240
because they show you a closer
look at the the suit.

547
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,600
What is so cool is that they
found a way to incorporate

548
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,720
vision into it as well, because
it very much looks witchy,

549
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,040
right?
You have the red cloak like

550
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,760
Wanda Scarlet Witch, but the
inside the lining of the cloak.

551
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,720
When you get a closer look at
it, it looks like Visions, like

552
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,040
kind of like machine lines and
stuff like that.

553
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,160
I'll put it up on this video and
you can see it.

554
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,560
But yes, definitely go look at
it because he really shows you a

555
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,200
closer look at it and you can
see parts of vision inside the

556
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,880
costume, which just made me love
it even more.

557
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,960
I think this looks great.
I like that he doesn't have the

558
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,640
headband like he does in the
comics, but he has more of like

559
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,080
a Wanda's crown, so it alludes
more to his mother.

560
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,680
Just a great moment.
I'm like, yeah, I'm really now

561
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,360
sold that he's Wiccan.
Like Joe Locke is Wiccan.

562
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,680
Yeah.
And I think he looks phenomenal.

563
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,200
And I love all those details
that you pointed out, you know,

564
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,200
especially since we're back in
Westview, you know, it's just

565
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,200
reminding us, don't forget where
this all started.

566
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,280
This all started with Wanda and
Vision.

567
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,800
And I also love seeing that
Billy is, I think, good, right?

568
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,560
Especially against Agatha's
questionable good slash bad.

569
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,640
And he came back, right?
She helped him achieve his goal,

570
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,680
so now he wants to give her her
goal of giving her her powers

571
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,920
back.
And that's something that I

572
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,720
think took a lot of bravery
because you never know with

573
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,760
Agatha, you never know.
He literally saw her kill Alice,

574
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,000
so he took a chance.
Yeah, he had to take a chance.

575
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,960
And there was a moment where I
was like, OK, like, he's

576
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,800
starting to look like a
skeleton.

577
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,040
Stop it.
I think at that moment, I was

578
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,080
literally audible at the screen.
OK, I got the yes.

579
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,320
OK, I got the yeah, stop it,
stop it, stop, stop.

580
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,680
So it's a really good moment to
show that Agatha did show some

581
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,040
restraint because I think she
knew at some point, like, oh, if

582
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,000
I want to at least get away from
death or figure something out, I

583
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,400
need his help.
And we got to see some of

584
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,160
Billy's power, not only, you
know, he created the road and he

585
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,440
had magic on autopilot just like
his mother.

586
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,480
But we saw that he was able to
not defeat death, but literally

587
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:59,960
push death away a couple times.
Rio was just scary, terrifying

588
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,480
and scary, you know, throw
instincts at people, pushing

589
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,880
them away.
It was terrifying.

590
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,560
But getting that final moment of
Of course, the only kiss that we

591
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,360
get between our ladies is the
kiss of death, which it's like

592
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,120
man lesbians.
And I mean, that's just I'm

593
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,720
sorry, but that is so like 1997
gay storyline where the only

594
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,080
time, like once they kiss, they
have to die.

595
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,840
So do better Marvel.
You know, we were really we were

596
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,200
really pleased with you the last
episode, but now you just didn't

597
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,760
do it right.
You didn't do it right.

598
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,480
I do have to say though, it was
beautiful.

599
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,920
It was so beautiful.
I think we, you know, we got the

600
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,600
moment.
I was really scared that Agatha

601
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,440
was going to die.
I was hoping it wasn't going to

602
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,600
happen.
So I didn't talk about it.

603
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,800
I didn't want to put it out
there.

604
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,880
And I was like, the more we got
closer was like, Oh no, Oh no,

605
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:53,880
she's going to die.
I think her finally giving up

606
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,800
everything to save somebody that
she saw her son in it was

607
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,760
beautiful.
I think her kissing Death and

608
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,640
then floating up and like, you
know, with her cloak in the

609
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,400
black and everything, and then
finally laying down, turning

610
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,920
instantly back to the earth was
great.

611
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,360
And I feel like that was partly
Death.

612
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,040
Death was giving her a nice
burial.

613
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,800
Death was giving her flowers and
making sure it was beautiful.

614
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Then you could see in Death's
expression that like, you know,

615
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,480
this sucks that we came to this
point.

616
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,320
You know, nobody has gotten
special treatment like Agatha

617
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,320
did with Death.
You can tell that Death loved

618
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,640
her.
For whatever reason, we never

619
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,480
saw it.
I'm just believing that they

620
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,760
loved each other.
But it was great.

621
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,680
It was beautiful.
And then that final shot of

622
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,360
death with the sun hitting her,
but you could see the skull,

623
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,920
like her true form.
Oh.

624
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,920
Seeing it in the light was so
scary.

625
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,360
Yeah.
So hot though, too.

626
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,600
I was like, oh.
That's Aubrey Plaza.

627
00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:01,200
I I just think that this showed
Death doing her job.

628
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,320
And even if she's not so pleased
with what she has to do, like

629
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,440
she said around the campfire,
that time I have to do these

630
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,800
things because it's my job.
I have to do it.

631
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:18,960
And so why not put your lover to
rest and have beautiful flowers

632
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,240
bloom from the earth?
Yeah.

633
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,920
So that was gorge.
That's like pretty much the last

634
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,800
time we see death.
And then aside from the

635
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,160
flashback, I'm curious if we're
going to see death.

636
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,320
Going forward, she's got to be
back, yeah, especially within

637
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,400
these storylines.
I would think so.

638
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,920
I mean I'm I'm curious what she
thought about Thanos though.

639
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,960
Of just like taking out half of
the population of the universe.

640
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,440
Like how did she feel?
Does she know?

641
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,360
Yeah, I don't know.
She was just like, all right,

642
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,280
come on, everybody.
I wonder what happens when they

643
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,040
come back.
I don't know.

644
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,560
That's what I'm saying.
I wonder how.

645
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,480
I'm curious how she felt about
all of that.

646
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,880
She's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa.

647
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,800
Too many.
People, the paperwork.

648
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,400
Yeah, but I, I, I liked that in
the last episode that we really

649
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,720
saw her and we got to see like
her abilities and what she's

650
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,280
capable of, like literally
tearing a hole in space-time.

651
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,840
But also it was like really meta
because it was a sound stage.

652
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,600
It was just really cool.
Which should have been our clue

653
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,520
all.
Along all along, yeah.

654
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,360
And then getting the moment of
Billy mirroring Wanda at the end

655
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,960
of Wanda vision and putting on
the hood, walking away from all

656
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,120
of the people that, you know,
we're in Westview and then

657
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,719
getting in the car, which I you
know, part of me is like, I'm

658
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,400
glad that he did take the
vehicle, right?

659
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,760
Is he just going to leave the
car there on the street?

660
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,560
But it's like, I mean, couldn't
you just like, I don't know,

661
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,040
magic it?
Yeah, he he flew in right?

662
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,560
And then and then he's like
beep, beep getting into his car.

663
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,040
But I guess, you know, at the
bottom of it, he's still a 16

664
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,199
year old with parents whose car
he probably borrowed.

665
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,239
So he's probably like, I got to
bring this back to mom and dad.

666
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,000
But I'm watching it going.
This is an all powerful

667
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,240
sorcerer.
And here he is getting into his

668
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,440
little car and just being like,
bye everyone.

669
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,920
Wanda did the same thing when
she went to SWORD.

670
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,400
She drove in her little like, I
don't know that's true.

671
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,320
I guess why?
Why use your powers if you don't

672
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,640
have to?
Yeah, it's just silly.

673
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,240
It's just like funny to see them
in their costume getting in the

674
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,320
car.
He's still getting used to it.

675
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,240
I did think it was interesting
that he took off his costume

676
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:22,280
when he went to go see his
parents, Rebecca and Jeff, and

677
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,760
we find out that he's been gone
for 24 hours, so it wasn't as

678
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,720
long as we think.
Obviously it was going to be

679
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:30,920
shorter.
So I, I think that's interesting

680
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,960
that he decided to not show them
like that side of him yet.

681
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,120
So I'm curious of like when
we're going to see him again and

682
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,320
what that's going to look like.
Like, is it going to be a Young

683
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,120
Avenger situation?
Is it going to be in the Vision

684
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,720
show?
It's going to be wherever Tommy

685
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,600
is, right?
And then we get Agatha as a

686
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,040
ghost.
We finally got comic book

687
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,520
accurate Agatha and it's ghost
version.

688
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,840
I love it.
I think Catherine Hahn going

689
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,680
forward in the MCU as this like
magical witchy ghost mentor is

690
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,040
amazing and also Rio hates it.
Rio doesn't like ghosts.

691
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,240
She literally said in the
episode where Alice dies

692
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:14,840
Agatha's trial.
I hate ghosts and she became

693
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,800
what Rio didn't like.
Which is I I do.

694
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,520
Kudos to Rio for holding up her
end of the bargain.

695
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,240
She's kind of spitting, spitting
in Death's face a little bit.

696
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:32,760
And I do love the fact that
Agatha, even in her ghostly

697
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,960
form, came back to be like, duh,
how did you not know?

698
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,040
I knew from the second that
freaking door in the floor

699
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,640
appeared that you're just like
your mother.

700
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,720
Yeah, we got the, we got the
wizard, Wizard, Wizard of Oz

701
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,760
moment of like, you were there
and you were there and you were

702
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,680
there when he was in his room of
just like, oh, all of these

703
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,960
things in my room were in the
road.

704
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,360
You know, and we come on, yeah,
we we spoke about kind of the

705
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,240
reveal of it just being kind of
Wanda 2 point O the whole

706
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:08,240
situation.
And I still don't feel like it

707
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,320
was an exact replica of Wanda
vision.

708
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,720
So it felt different enough to
me to be like, oh, still cool,

709
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,240
still got it.
And the fact that Agatha knew

710
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:20,320
all along, you know, she gave us
the clues in almost every

711
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,800
episode of telling him you're
just like your mother.

712
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,040
This is what she would do.
It was like we should have

713
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,320
known.
And it's so funny to think that

714
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,360
she knew that it wasn't real
this whole time and she went

715
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,880
along with it just like in Wanda
Vision, she was just like, let's

716
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,640
let's see where this goes.
And that's why all of the

717
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,240
comments make sense.
She's like, oh, I didn't think

718
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,080
you had it in you.
It's like, oh, is this what's

719
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,800
happening?
Same thing with Rio.

720
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,000
Rio knew it wasn't real.
And she's like, oh, this is the

721
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,840
row.
And it's like they were just

722
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:55,040
like seeing where this would go.
I think it I didn't mind it

723
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,840
being a Wanda Vision 2 point O
and I love having the title card

724
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,960
of Agatha all along being in his
bedroom to show that it was

725
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,520
Billy all along.
I'm just curious of are we going

726
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,080
to get more of this type of
thing?

727
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:11,520
I feel like this was good enough
like of the pop culture

728
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,000
references and showing like
they're inside a hex and stuff

729
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,200
like that.
Because the only thing that I, I

730
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,680
don't worry about, but it's like
if they're going to be doing the

731
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,520
Tom King Vision storyline, it's
very much Vision living a

732
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,760
suburban life with his like
robotic family and stuff like

733
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,040
that that was made.
And so it's like, are we going

734
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,920
to do this other thing of like
pretending everything is normal

735
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,520
when it's really not?
So I feel like this is enough.

736
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,920
Like I don't want any more
hexes.

737
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,120
Yeah, we can't, you know, feel
like we can't do this again. 1/3

738
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:43,200
time is too many.
Right.

739
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,000
I feel like it's going to lose
its magic.

740
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,920
Yeah, a little bit.
I I liked the moment of if we

741
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,000
think back to that episode when
they were summoning the road for

742
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,800
the first time, it was just
Agatha doing her usual thing and

743
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,800
wanting them to blast her so she
could kill them.

744
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:05,000
Yes, in the in the flashback we
find out the song.

745
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,720
It's made by Nikki and Agatha.
Just a thing, a mother and

746
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:12,560
child, just to have fun.
And it was different to the

747
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,880
song.
Well, they were like building

748
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,280
it, right?
They were like trying to figure

749
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,680
it out.
It started off sweet and then it

750
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,160
became a con and then it just
like for centuries became a con.

751
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,280
And the fact that she uses this
thing is she created with her

752
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,320
child to become this wicked
witch and this thing that people

753
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,640
see her as is really sad.
It's super sad.

754
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,480
But finding out the witch's road
wasn't real this whole time and

755
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,960
it was just so Agatha con all of
these witches was really cool.

756
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:49,280
I was like, that is so sad, so
evil and also really fucking

757
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,720
cool.
Yeah, I just, she was like,

758
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:57,520
Agatha's almost like courage of
being like, whoa, here's some

759
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,640
wild situation.
Well, I'm going in to see what

760
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,840
happens.
You know, she's never like, this

761
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,440
is too weird.
I'm leaving.

762
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,520
She's always all in.
We saw it in one division.

763
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,920
We see it in this.
And so she's just always willing

764
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,360
to go and explore and to see
almost like, how can this

765
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,760
benefit me?
In some way, because that's what

766
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,800
she's done for centuries, she's,
she's benefited on other

767
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,920
people's pain and death.
And you know, maybe in a way,

768
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,760
Death has always loved Agatha
because Agatha has always given

769
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,960
her the bodies.
Well, I think that was Rio said

770
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,000
something of like you just you
were distracting me from the

771
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,600
boy.
So I'm curious if that's how it

772
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,560
was even when she was with Nikki
of like, she's killing these

773
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,160
witches.
She's giving like death these

774
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,240
these bodies, these souls where
she should be getting Nikki and

775
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:52,120
the one time that she doesn't do
the coven because Nikki was

776
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,720
like, I don't want to do this
anymore, Then that's when Rio

777
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:56,720
claims Nikki.
I'm sure like there was some

778
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:59,480
time frame, but it was
interesting that the moment that

779
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,480
they don't do that, then Rio
comes to claim her son.

780
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,640
How did you feel about the
flashback?

781
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,880
How did you feel about seeing
Agatha and Nikki's relationship?

782
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,920
I love the flashback.
It did make me a little sad

783
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,120
that, you know, she begs for
more time with her son and then

784
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,120
really just uses her.
Not, I mean, of the, what, 3

785
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,560
scenes that we saw, we didn't
see their whole life together,

786
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,520
but she kind of uses him.
She uses him as a tool to help

787
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,520
herself.
And so that's that selfish part

788
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,520
of Agatha that we've seen all
along of her just kind of

789
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,560
wanting to love and wanting to
help, but ultimately it has to

790
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,880
benefit her in some way.
And so we even saw that with her

791
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,440
son, which I thought was a
little sad.

792
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,720
It was almost like a mother that
had an addiction issue that like

793
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:52,480
needed to do this, but obviously
still absolutely loved her son.

794
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,840
Just in the end it was like, and
I and I just keep thinking about

795
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,200
when she was talking to Rio
again in the same the the scene

796
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,720
before the last trial.
And she said something of like,

797
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,720
why do you let people believe
this stuff about you?

798
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:07,760
Why do you let them believe that
stuff about Nikki and Agatha

799
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,640
says, because the truth is worse
or something like that.

800
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,560
And I was like, is it though?
Like you, like you loved your

801
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,960
son, like you had your son and
they were supposed to be

802
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,520
stillborn and they weren't and
death let you be with them.

803
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,200
And I was like, oh, maybe it's
because of how she spent the

804
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,000
time with him.
Maybe it's because instead of

805
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,280
cherishing every single moment
with him and not killing all

806
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,560
these witches, which you should
have been in a coven and

807
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,640
fostering, that you surrounded
him with death and conning and

808
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,560
being deceitful.
And so I'm curious if that's

809
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,960
what it is.
Because she loved him, you know,

810
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,640
like.
And let's let's also think of

811
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,000
Agatha.
Agatha is always trying to

812
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,120
protect herself.
So if people believe that she

813
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,920
gave up her son and all that
stuff, it's actually hiding the

814
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,920
truth and her true pain from
everyone around her because,

815
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:03,320
well, if you gave your son up,
that means that you didn't care

816
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,240
about him at all.
But in reality, he died and she

817
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,440
loved him too much, right?
You know, Or so much I should

818
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,400
say that it hurts to say that he
was just taken away from her.

819
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,400
The scenes of her in childbirth
and when she sees Rio.

820
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,040
Oh, like, I, I do not, I, I
don't think I could watch that

821
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,080
episode again because it was
just so incredibly sad, so well

822
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,280
acted, so well executed.
And then the scene with when Rio

823
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,640
comes and claims Nicholas
Scratch finding out that like

824
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,720
his name, which is different in
the comics of why his name is

825
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:39,720
Nicholas Scratch.
But in this I loved that his

826
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,640
name is Nicholas Scratch because
she didn't use a spell.

827
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,960
She didn't use an incantation.
She made him from scratch and

828
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,280
that's who he is.
She made him herself, which is

829
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,040
just beautiful in its own right.
And it kind of goes back to

830
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,040
Wanda, right?
And it's Wanda made her

831
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,760
children.
They're, that's how women like,

832
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,200
I think what is it Doctor
Strange is like when he has that

833
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,520
conversation with her?
And she was like, yeah, they

834
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,080
were made from magic.
That's what every woman does.

835
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,720
And it's like, yes.
Totally.

836
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:12,200
Absolutely.
I mean, if you think about it

837
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,200
just in reality, it is magic.
Right, right.

838
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:19,280
And I loved that they that she
used that as like, this is how

839
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,400
my child came to be and that's
who he is.

840
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,200
And isn't it those so messed up
though, that in both cases of

841
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,000
Wanda and Agatha, they created
these children from magic and in

842
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,960
a very short amount of time they
get taken away?

843
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,600
So I don't know what is that
saying?

844
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,040
I I I almost wonder if there are
witches out there who have

845
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,400
created the magic of life but
have been able to actually take

846
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,920
care of that child throughout
their life.

847
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,640
Well if we look at our 2
instances, 1 kept an entire town

848
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,520
captive and tried to live a
fantastical life and the other

849
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,680
one was killing witches.
So no.

850
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:00,360
So maybe if you don't do those
things, maybe right?

851
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,280
Right.
One of my biggest gripes with

852
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,680
the finale is this is the carrot
kind of thing that I was talking

853
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,120
about, of them showing us
Agatha's life prior through the

854
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,800
centuries, showing or telling us
that there's this like history

855
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,280
and this intense thing that Rio
and Agatha had.

856
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,800
And when we see her approach her
when she's giving birth to

857
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,880
Nikki, obviously this is like
past the relationship.

858
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,000
Like this is like when the
relationship ends.

859
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,680
But part of it was kind of sad
that we didn't get to see any of

860
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:35,040
it.
It was, again, almost like this

861
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,400
show is so queer.
The show is so, like, willing to

862
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,680
show that.
And then, like, I just wanted

863
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,040
something.
I don't know what, but I almost

864
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,600
feel like, OK, you guys are
saying this thing.

865
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,760
And all I saw was you guys fight
and kind of flirt and sniff each

866
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,880
other's hair.
But like, I wanted to see, I

867
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,640
don't know, maybe to see, like,
they actually did really love

868
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,600
each other, you know, like, we
got glimpses.

869
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,680
And I just wanted if we're doing
a flashback like just show.

870
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,600
Yeah.
How did they meet?

871
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,320
How did it even start?
How does Death fall in love with

872
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,080
a witch?
What is that story?

873
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,840
Like why?
I mean, I guess I don't need

874
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,880
like why is Agatha important or
why is she so special?

875
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,800
But I I do want that.
Like what was the death and

876
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,160
witch meet cute like?
Yeah.

877
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,200
Totally.
I know.

878
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,560
What was it?
I mean, and I the interesting

879
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,920
thing is, so maybe it's just
because, you know, it's one of

880
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,400
those things where Agatha just
keeps stealing the power of

881
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,200
witches and, you know, Rio's
kind of like, we have to stop

882
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,920
meeting like this, you know, and
they kind of just hit it off

883
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,480
that way.
I mean, I guess she would have

884
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,320
to see death constantly because,
you know, she killed her entire

885
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,520
original coven, right, during
the Salem witch trials.

886
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,880
So I guess that's how they met.
But why did they fall in love?

887
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,440
Right.
I mean, I think that's it,

888
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,760
right?
It's like I, I kind of want to

889
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,720
just know just to know, because
when else are we going to see

890
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:54,240
them again, right?
I love the little detail of the

891
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,760
bell that Nicholas takes is the
bell that she uses to summon the

892
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,040
road.
The scene of her going through

893
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,840
the centuries of this is how
she's been taking powers and

894
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,600
killing all these covens.
I mean, well, it was horrible.

895
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,440
It was so fucking cool.
I love a spinning montage of

896
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,760
costume changes, baby.
And then having her like her

897
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,520
version of the ballad was just
so cool.

898
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,600
It was really cool to see like
where it started and how it

899
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,080
progressed.
And then to get the ballad that

900
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,760
we have.
And then she created the legend

901
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,640
of the witches.
Rd. was just literally Agatha

902
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,680
all along this entire time and I
just can't stop thinking about

903
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,080
when the road was finally like
the actual Rd. came the Billy

904
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,400
road and she picked up the sand
and like looked at it.

905
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,840
I remember watching that and
being like that's weird why is

906
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,160
she acting that way and now
knowing it was like this shit

907
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,560
was not supposed to happen.
No, not at all.

908
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,800
I really think that this shows
that witches need to do a little

909
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,040
more research.
These covens throughout hundreds

910
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,440
of years, we're like, yeah,
there's a witch's road.

911
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,000
We got to go.
Oh, look, this lady's going to

912
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,680
help us.
Never heard from any of the

913
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,280
other witches that went down the
road again.

914
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,080
So, you know, I think this is a
lesson for witch kind to do your

915
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,920
research and not just trust the
random witch that says, yeah,

916
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,280
I'll show you.
I'll show you the witch's road.

917
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,480
Let's go.
Anything on the flashback part

918
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,520
of the episode before we move to
like the final scenes?

919
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,880
Just heartbreaking.
Totally.

920
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,880
I mean, and the fact that it was
funny because as I was watching

921
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,000
it, I thought, oh, you know,
she's going to wake up to an

922
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,360
empty, you know, bed.
I mean, they were, they were on

923
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,040
the forest floor.
But she didn't, you know, we

924
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,800
didn't see him, which I
appreciated.

925
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,640
But, you know, the body of her
beloved son, the time was

926
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,320
finally up.
So that was just heartbreaking.

927
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,680
Right.
And I think it's it's a good

928
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,080
distinction for people to
realize that like, yeah,

929
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,960
obviously death, if it was an
entity, doesn't take the bodies,

930
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,080
right?
It takes the soul, the essence,

931
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,160
the person, right.
And then ushers them to whatever

932
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:58,480
afterlife they belong in.
You know, I I do believe there

933
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,760
was some conversation.
Maybe it was a moon night where

934
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,480
depending on like who you are
and what you believe, that's

935
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,280
like the afterlife and it just
seems like death.

936
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,640
Rio is more the usherer for
that.

937
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,240
Like she takes you into the
green mist and then you either

938
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:16,000
go to like the fields of Reed,
the field of reeds or hell, or

939
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,080
like whatever it might be.
So it's interesting to see that.

940
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,680
One of my questions is, is, you
know, Wanda created her children

941
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,200
because she wanted that family,
that very safe, suburban kind of

942
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,880
American dream thing, right?
That was her goal in this.

943
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,160
What was Agatha's goal of
creating Nicholas?

944
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,520
And was it just to be a tool for
her to get more power?

945
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,480
And but she accidentally kind of
fell in love with him and didn't

946
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,000
think she would.
I don't think she's that evil.

947
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,000
You know, there's there's too
many instances of again, our

948
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,440
perception of who she is, what
we're told she is things that we

949
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,960
didn't see, but again told that
she did.

950
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,360
Granted, she did kill a lot of
witches.

951
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,640
I don't think she's that evil.
I think she legitimately loved

952
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,960
Nicholas scratch.
She wouldn't have his hair in

953
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,400
his lock in the lock it right
this whole time be that it

954
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,640
feeling guilty and grief.
But I think she did love a

955
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,080
child, and I think she wanted a
child and maybe to have a good

956
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,720
relationship that maybe her
mother didn't show her, but she

957
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:22,360
just didn't use the time in a
super loving way, even though

958
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,960
there was glimpses, right?
They obviously loved each other,

959
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,920
but it was like, maybe you
should have like, taught them

960
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,720
the craft or like, been in a
community instead of just on the

961
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,720
road, constantly having to fight
to survive and to satiate your,

962
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,600
I don't know, hunger for power.
She's very self absorbed and for

963
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:45,040
a child to look at their mother
and say, gosh, do you think we

964
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,120
could stop killing these
witches?

965
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,960
I mean a a six year old's
conscience is more powerful than

966
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,560
a centuries old witch.
And that that's what made me

967
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,200
think of like a mother that kind
of has like this addiction,

968
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:02,320
right, Because she she tried to,
you know, put it off, skirt the

969
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,840
issue or just be like, oh, this
is what we do.

970
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,520
Like you have to do this to
survive.

971
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,400
And it's like, well, do you?
Because I don't think Jen, she

972
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,120
lived for how long?
I don't think she's taking

973
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:13,400
power.
Same thing with Lilia.

974
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,000
So it's like, I don't think you
have to do this.

975
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,000
But you know, the only coven she
knew betrayed her and was going

976
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,840
to kill her.
So that's how she grew up.

977
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,240
I did love that.
He was like, use your purple

978
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,400
mom.
RIP.

979
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:27,400
Yeah.
Who?

980
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,640
It's, it's.
I mean, it's it's sad to think.

981
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,400
I mean, I guess he was never
going to be.

982
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,880
But who would Nicholas Scratch
have been if he were able to

983
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,240
live and if he learned the
craft?

984
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:41,160
Hopefully not like his comic
book counterpart because he is a

985
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,760
nasty interesting.
Yeah.

986
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,760
I mean, he's one of the reasons
why in the comics, Agatha has

987
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,480
been a ghost twice.
And the first reason was because

988
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,040
of Nicholas Scratch and the
second reason is because of

989
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,600
Wanda.
So I'm glad that it's they

990
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,400
didn't go that route of him
being like super evil and like

991
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,240
the Salem 7 wasn't his fault and
everything.

992
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,600
So ghost Agatha at the end.
Gagatha.

993
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:14,400
Let's say we were Gagatha.
I What do you think about Agatha

994
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,480
figuring out her ghostly
abilities and being able to get

995
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,360
her amulet put it on and
sticking around with Billy to

996
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,880
like help him find Tommy?
I love it.

997
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,680
Yeah.
I absolutely love it.

998
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,400
I love these two coming
together.

999
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:34,120
There's, I think, a poetry here
of Agatha finally getting to

1000
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,240
raise her son, you know?
And it just so happens that it's

1001
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:39,440
Billy, right?
And so this is someone that she

1002
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,720
can teach the craft to, that she
can be there as a support system

1003
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:45,520
even though actively hurt,
right.

1004
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,040
So she.
Has no choice.

1005
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,680
Right, so she can't steal his
powers.

1006
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:53,320
And so it's almost her
reconciliation in this moment to

1007
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,720
to see that there is good and to
try her hardest to be good.

1008
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,480
I think she'll always be Agatha.
She'll always have an edge.

1009
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,120
She'll always maybe push a
little too far, but this is her

1010
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,560
moment to be that good Agatha
that we've seen in the comics.

1011
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,600
The one that she's supposed to,
right?

1012
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,480
And I think that she does.
She's like free of the burden of

1013
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,160
what everybody thinks of her,
what she's done.

1014
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,320
She has a chance to do something
right.

1015
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,160
And I think that she ultimately
is going to take that.

1016
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,760
Now going forward, what is she
going to do?

1017
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,840
Like, I guess we'll see.
Like, is she going to fully help

1018
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,320
Wiccan?
Is there still going to be that

1019
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,360
internal battle?
But I really, really, really

1020
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,440
loved the scene of Billy going
back into the basement, closing

1021
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,920
the Witch's Road, putting the
names of Sharon, Lilia and Alice

1022
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,320
on there, which whoever is going
to get the house is going to be

1023
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,840
like, wow.
Some crazy shit was going on in

1024
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,240
this basement and they're like,
oh, but Maytag washer dryer.

1025
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:55,040
That's nice.
Look at the washer dryer.

1026
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,600
Is that GE?
Does it play music when it's

1027
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,240
done drying?
But I really like that scene and

1028
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:03,640
I'm glad that he didn't banish
her because she looked

1029
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,920
legitimately like, Oh no, like
this is it, this is going to

1030
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,920
end.
Well, I mean, I think Billy also

1031
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,880
isn't a fool, right?
And knows that he's very new to

1032
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,400
these powers.
And to have Agatha there,

1033
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,480
especially in this sort of like
can't touch me form is, is kind

1034
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,160
of the best thing to do,
especially when looking for his

1035
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,200
brother.
I think that she'll be able to

1036
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,720
help him tap into their
connection as she did in the

1037
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:36,120
final trial.
And so without her, he's kind of

1038
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,000
on a journey without a compass.
You know his Google Maps is

1039
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,040
offline.
I I'm really looking forward to

1040
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,520
it.
I'm curious when we're going to

1041
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,760
see him next.
I hope we don't have to wait

1042
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,320
three years to see them because
it's been three years since

1043
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,720
Wanda vision, which is insane to
think about.

1044
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,840
But I just think that like if
they're doing a young Avengers

1045
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,960
thing, I think a lot of the
young Avengers aren't going to

1046
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,680
be young anymore.
So it's like, are we doing like

1047
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,400
young adult Avengers like?
Avengers Junior.

1048
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,360
Right, like semi Young Avengers.
Is a very good point.

1049
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,120
Right.
And so we don't have much time

1050
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,080
until Secret Wars.
So I think the next step is

1051
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,680
seeing what happens with Vision
and finding Tommy.

1052
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:23,880
If that's a Wiccan only show or
happens in Vision, I'm curious.

1053
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,880
I wonder if it's going to be
like a Boba Fett situation where

1054
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,800
it starts out the series is
about Boba Fett, but then it

1055
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,120
ultimately just becomes the
Mandalorian, you know, season

1056
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,000
2.5.
So it might be like the Vision

1057
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,000
show, but then it's also just
wicking all along, you know,

1058
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,520
them kind of intertwining.
I don't know, that would be

1059
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:41,960
interesting.
But I agree, I would hate to

1060
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,520
wait so long.
And I think The thing is,

1061
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:48,120
though, is that, you know, what
is the balance of, you know, not

1062
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,960
just rushing something because
it's popular versus taking so

1063
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,760
long that they age out and we're
kind of losing that effect of

1064
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,080
the characters.
When I think that's one of the

1065
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,320
testaments of this show is that
it is the cheapest Marvel show

1066
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,280
they've ever done.
It looks like one of the best

1067
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,080
Marvel shows.
The practical effects like so I

1068
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,680
think that with care it can be
great.

1069
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,240
I'm just curious of like, yeah,
where is it going to fit in the

1070
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:18,480
timeline with what's going on?
Because it seems like they're

1071
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,040
very much trying to plan and
like make sure things are like

1072
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,280
going to happen before like
being like things are happening.

1073
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,200
Like look at Blade.
It's been constantly in

1074
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,200
production hell for so long.
So I'm really curious to see

1075
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,400
also like Jack Schaefer, give
her give her the magic side or

1076
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:38,000
give her these characters to do
in this team because I just we

1077
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,040
need these types of stories.
This really shows that the MCU

1078
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,320
can be so unique and so insular,
but also the grand like still

1079
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,360
play into the grander scheme of
things.

1080
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,160
I just.
Yeah, and I think that, you

1081
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:57,920
know, this show was for me, it
felt like for, you know, the

1082
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,120
She's the Gays and The Days, but
in reality it was for everyone.

1083
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,120
But of course we have the
opposite of the She's the Gays

1084
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,720
and the Thays saying it's the
worst thing that's ever

1085
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:08,320
happened.
So I think that.

1086
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,880
While it's like having some of
the biggest numbers that they've

1087
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,640
ever had.
Who asked for it?

1088
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,960
Most people, yeah.
And so and and So what makes me

1089
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,880
a little nervous about sort of
the Marvel machine, right, is

1090
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,400
they're obviously going to try
and quell both audiences.

1091
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:28,760
But you know, what are they
going to do as far as satiating

1092
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,000
both sides of it?
You know, which way is it going

1093
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,880
to lean?
And are we going to lose this

1094
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,280
magic side?
And I hope we don't.

1095
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,160
Yeah, I hope we don't.
We just have so many things that

1096
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,760
we need to see and I think it's
set it up where there's still

1097
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,440
characters that I can't wait to
see and where they go.

1098
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,960
So like Wiccan and Agatha, Jen,
her flying off, where's she

1099
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,080
going?
I need to know more about that.

1100
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:55,000
Also, just like the scene, I
love the just putting them kind

1101
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,520
of side by side with Wanda
leaving with nothing and Jen

1102
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,520
leaving with the whole world
ahead of her and being totally

1103
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:03,960
full with her power and
everything.

1104
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:08,880
So it's just, it's just so good.
Like them doing the 1/2 of like

1105
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:10,400
this is what happened in Wanda
Vision.

1106
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,800
We're going to do a proper
sequel in a spin off and it just

1107
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,360
paid off so well.
Magical.

1108
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:22,160
I just, I want to say I, I, I
might like it more than Wanda

1109
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:23,560
Vision.
Interesting.

1110
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,240
It's just, I think I still need
to process some because it's

1111
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,200
still pretty fresh in our minds,
but I just, there's so many

1112
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,440
aspects of it where it speaks to
me personally on things that I

1113
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,320
really like.
So it's just like, also, it's

1114
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,080
just more gay.
Yeah, that's true.

1115
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:44,040
And I think that this one was
also, we got to just be grounded

1116
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,680
in this other reality where in
one division we kept coming out

1117
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,520
of it, right?
We kept going out to see Agent

1118
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,960
Woo and everybody there and and
Sword, and so we kept getting

1119
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,200
pulled out of the fantasy.
We're in this one.

1120
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,120
We were kind of in the dark with
everyone else the entire time

1121
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,640
and not necessarily knowing that
it was just Billy's creation.

1122
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,440
Oh my God, we didn't even
mention we kind of tiptoed.

1123
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,920
So before we go, I think we have
to mention this because I this

1124
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,040
is going to be a huge struggle
for Billy going forward.

1125
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,880
Is he killed those witches
because he made the road.

1126
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:16,600
I mean, he didn't necessarily
kill him, right?

1127
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,720
And I get that.
I think she was like, sorry, I

1128
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,800
didn't mean to like kind of go
sideways, but like, I was like,

1129
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:23,920
Oh my God, we didn't mention
this.

1130
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,800
Agatha was like, I was going to
kill them right off the bat.

1131
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,600
So technically you saved one,
right?

1132
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,040
But the fact that this 16 year
old boy with all of this power,

1133
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,160
figuring out that he just made
all of these people go into

1134
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,480
something that he did with his
mind, which ultimately killed

1135
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,720
them, I think he's going to have
a lot of struggles to go through

1136
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,800
it and a lot of like, what did I
do?

1137
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,360
That scene with him and Agatha
in his room where he's like

1138
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,640
piercing together, like I did
this and I killed them is awful.

1139
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,920
And also Sharon out of all of
them.

1140
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:01,120
Sharon did not survive a hex in
being puppeted and then dealing

1141
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,440
with this stuff in Agatha.
For how long to then die.

1142
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,680
Let's say.
With the son of the witch that

1143
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,800
did it.
Let's say that she is happily

1144
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,760
gardening with her love.
Again, she's with, not Mr. Hart,

1145
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,600
Mr. Davis again.
And they can live just

1146
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,520
peacefully without witches
bothering them.

1147
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,800
And I hope so.
I hope so, it's just so sad.

1148
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,200
Yeah, it is really sad.
Also, I have a big question.

1149
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,520
What happens with Boif?
Oh yeah?

1150
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,800
Where did he go?
Also, Senor Scratchy, where is

1151
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,320
he?
Oh, where'd he go?

1152
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,960
Yeah, where'd Senor Scratchy go?
They forgot that diva.

1153
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,920
Oh my God, she's so pretty.
Bring her back.

1154
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,360
Yeah.
And I'm also curious about the

1155
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,120
dark hold.
There's some like those threads

1156
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:44,800
where I'm just.
Like.

1157
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,000
Yeah, it's like, how did she get
the dark hold?

1158
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,360
I think we were all assuming it
had to do with Nicholas Scratch,

1159
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,720
but like, again, maybe we'll
just never get answers to these

1160
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,360
things.
Is the rabbit the dark?

1161
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:56,520
Hold.
I don't know.

1162
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,240
No 'cause Wanda had the dark
hold.

1163
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,560
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, all right.

1164
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,320
So anyway.
There's always, there's always

1165
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,320
questions.
There's always questions.

1166
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:06,360
But let us know what you
thought.

1167
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,120
Comment below Send us Adm Also
how do we look?

1168
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,920
They're like flat boring.
Awful.

1169
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,240
You guys need to learn how to do
makeup.

1170
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,880
Which we do, yeah.
Yeah.

1171
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,280
Yeah, maybe we'll dress up a
little more.

1172
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,720
Maybe like Halloween, not just
regularly.

1173
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,960
Knows like every episode, new
costume is what we're doing.

1174
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,080
It's like this has nothing to do
with witches we're doing.

1175
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,920
It anyway what are we doing with
these costumes after?

1176
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,280
But we'll wear them again.
Just watching TV.

1177
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,400
Yeah, we'll do rewatches.
We're gonna dance.

1178
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,560
I hope everybody had a beautiful
Halloween.

1179
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,360
On to the next thing, but see
you.

1180
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:52,960
We'll see you on the other side,
folks.

1181
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:54,160
Bye.