Dead Boy Detectives Review | Netflix

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Hey, I'm Dedrick. And
I'm Noah and you're

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obsession and enjoy it one

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nibble at a time. I
didn't like how formal that

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was. I'm
being Edwin. I'm

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gonna do the whole thing
with my hands like this.

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So
we have a very deadly bite

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today. We
are talking about the

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entire first season of Dead
Boy Detectives. We

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received the screener. We've
seen the whole series first

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season. Really
hoping there's a season to.

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I
know. Don't

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put that out there. So
spoilers definitely had this

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is not a spoiler free
review. So

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just letting you know now
go watch it all eight

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episodes are out and then
come back and listen to

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spoilers, just yeah. Hi.
Yes, but we have done our

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due diligence and giving
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early on. Very,
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is classic a bite of.
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very early on. So
if you know if you're a

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creepy kid, creepy kid grew
up that way, watched, you

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know, all those goosebumps,
everything. That's

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what this means. Perfect
for the show. Are

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you afraid of the dark?
Yes.

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This is kind of like a
little are you afraid of

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the dark? Don't
get into it. Oh,

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and that's true. Well,
he says why? So

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how we're going to do this
episode is we are going to

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talk about its origin in
the comics from DC Comics

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slash Vertigo, RAP, and
then talk about the show.

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So
full spoilers ahead. So

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to kick off this episode,
before we get to the

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review, I do want to talk
about their little tiny

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mini history. We
need the history. Yeah,

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Neil Gaiman is a very
prolific comic book writer

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as well as a writer, and
that's where they came

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from. So
I'm very excited anytime.

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Sandman,
anything is a thing. Yes.

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Now, Netflix, I'm hoping is
going to be creating a

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Sandman universe. The
sand of us. And

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this is their first dipping
in their toes. There

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are some crossovers, so be
prepared for that. So

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starting off, they actually
appeared in Sandman number

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25, created by Neil Gaiman
and Matt Wagner. They

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were in the seasons of
Miss Storyline where it

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just pretty much shows the
boys meeting. It

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wasn't until the Children's
Crusade, a Vertigo crossover

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event where they got their
official title. They

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kept popping up in
different various Vertigo

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books, which is now DC
Black Label. For

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those of you that go out
to the comic shop to read

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them, it's under Black
Label or under Sandman

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Presents. In
2001, they got their own

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mini series, Sandman
Presents, Dead Boy

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Detectives by Ed Brubaker.
Fantastic

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writer, fantastic book. It's
also kind of, that one

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really feels like Sandman.
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fans of Sandman will really
appreciate that little mini

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series. Following
the success of their mini

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series, they got a manga
style graphic novel by Jill

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Thompson in 2005. Their
popularity from that then

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led to 2014, where they
got an ongoing series

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written by Toby Litt and
Mark Buckingham. The

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series was toned down for
audiences and their 12

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-issue run. So
you have the Ed Brubaker,

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which is very mature. And
then in 2014, it was a

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little toned down. It
wasn't as successful, but

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it was still fun. You
think because of it, it

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was toned down? Yeah.
Most recently, the Dead Boy

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Detectives returned into
2022 and 2023, limited

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series, as part of the
Sandman Universe initiative.

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Hello,
that's where we're at. The

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series was written by
Pornsack, the shit shot,

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and explored the many
mysteries, including some

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romantic development between
the boys. So

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it was a very new
development and it carried

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through to the series.
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sure did. You
know, it's so fascinating

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seeing how there really
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It
kind of like went and

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stopped and went and
stopped. And

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like it felt like they
kept just popping up.

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Welcome
to comics. Whoa.

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Yeah, it happens a lot in
comic books, but they've

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always been there. You
know, they popped up

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through a lot of different
titles. They

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most recently got one. So
that's good. And

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now they have their show.
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hopefully that means more
Dead Boy Detectives.

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Hopefully.
That's what I'm hoping for.

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I
agree. All

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right. So
let us officially take a

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bite of Dead Boy
Detectives, based on the

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characters by Neil Gaiman
and developed for television

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by Steve Yackey. Edwin,
the brain, and Charles, the

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brawn, are happy being
stuck between the living

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and the dead, solving cases
of tortured souls, earthly

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mysteries to aid them in
moving on. Not

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wanting to move on
themselves. They

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dodge death when she does
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saved souls. Claire
Voyant Crystal joins the

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gang after being possessed
by her ex -dem - demon.

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He's
purloined her precious

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memories and she must piece
her past together. Rounding

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out the paranormal party is
Nico, whose near -death

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experience pulls back the
veil to the ghostly plane,

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offering her the opportunity
to lend her emotional

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intelligence to the cases
they take on. The

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Dead Boy Detective Agency
is stuck in the Pacific

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Northwest, counting cats,
solving cases, dodging

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deadly witches, and dealing
with their own internal

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struggles of both their
living and after lives.

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Ooh.
Yeah. I

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mean, that's it. Done.
Review done. More,

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okay, more read. That
was the longest synopsis

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I've written in a long
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I think I got most of the
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that's what the rest of
this episode is for. So

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as always, what are your
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thoughts. General
thoughts. General

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thoughts is that, like the
thing that just came to

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mind is that I am in, I
am invested. Like,

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from episode one, I wanted
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them. I
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an amazing job of making
you care about these

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characters. And
overall, I just want there

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to be a season two. Yeah.
That's my feelings exactly.

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I
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critique right off the bat.
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first episode is the
weakest of all of them.

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And
that's only because there's

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exposition. Oh,
yeah. It's

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a little like not clunky,
but it's like, once the

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full cast is there and
they're all settled, it's

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like, oh, this is
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I'm completely invested in
everything. It

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also has a mix of so many
things that I personally

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really love and gravitate
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not only Sandman and some
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up in this, but it feels
like if you mixed Dr. Who,

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Supernatural, and like the
best parts of CW, like

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teen stuff like Sabrina and
all of that, like Sabrina

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season one, not the rest
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it feels a lot like that.
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it's literally a case by
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with a linear story
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it has a driving force,
but also you come back

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wanting to be like, what
is this case about? What

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does that title mean? I
loved it. Right.

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And one of the great
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that through these cases,
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inner turmoil, right? So
the case of the week is

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actually showing them
something that they need to

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go through or something
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I agree that this really
does house a lot of the

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things that I gravitate
towards, right? So

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I gravitate towards
paranormal things. I

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gravitate towards queer
characters, strong female

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characters, a great ensemble
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I really think that this
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marrying all those things
together. Yeah.

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They did a really good job
of, it's like, you know,

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so the protagonists are
teens and there's a lot of

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teens in this, but it's
very mature. So

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I'm hoping that goes well
with a lot of people

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because I like that kind
of thing where it's like,

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there is a time and place
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like teens and it's for
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I feel like this is can
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with mature audiences in
mind because the themes are

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very heavy in this. And
like they don't hold back

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on some of the scary and
gore, which I very much

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appreciate it. Yeah,
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they do a really good job
of when it comes to the

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super gory things, like
right as the axe is going

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to hit the person, it
pulls away. But

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you see the horror on the
other people's faces

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surrounding it. So,
you know, I get kind of

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squeamish with things like
that. So

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if they're doing, you know,
the for me, well, then I'm

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great. Right.
I don't have to miss

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anything. Yeah.
But I do agree. Right.

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It's this thing. It's
a really good balance of

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taking these, you know,
teen characters who can get

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into like teen situations,
but then taking that like

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Neil Gaiman sense of not
being afraid to show the

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dark side of things and
bringing them together in a

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way that makes sense. Yeah.
And I mean, he created

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this thing where it's like
a meld of kind of like

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fiction that we know, like
boarding school and

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detective teens. And
he married that with this.

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And
I still feel like we get

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that we don't have so much
boarding school on this. It

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started there technically.
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we have that like Hardy
Boys feel that Nancy Drew

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feel with a mature
supernatural twist on it.

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It's
deadly and it's delicious.

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And
I love every second of it.

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Like
we couldn't stop watching

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it. No.
And I need a season two

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immediately. Absolutely.
I was like, you know,

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sometimes I go into these
things a little blind and

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I never know how I'm going
to feel about them. And

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even though that first
episode, like we're saying

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is the weakest of the
eight, it was just weak in

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comparison to the other
ones. It

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wasn't an actually weak
episode. They

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crammed so much into that
first episode and really

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laid the foundation for the
entire first season. So

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it's it's solid in that
sense. You

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need all that information
before going into the rest

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of it. Yeah.
And so it's it's one of

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those things that like, I
don't know, it just felt

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like candy in the sense
that I just wanted more.

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Yeah.
You know, so salty, sweet,

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delicious. Yeah.
That's a weird way to

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describe the show. Okay.
So let's talk about our

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main cast here a little
bit, specifically Edwin and

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Charles. I
loved them. I

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think that the way they
characterize these characters

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was not only something
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updated a little bit. But
surprising in their

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character growth, even
though they've been ghost

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boys for decades. Yes.
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things with these two
characters is there is a

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bit of an odd couple thing
happening, right? And

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so we have Edwin, who is
very old English and

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proper. I
mean, he passed away in

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like 1913. And
then we have Charles, on

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the other hand, who's kind
of new school punk rock

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from the 80s, but they get
along. And

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so but they're always kind
of filling each other in

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on different things. And
I think we also have an

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interesting thing here with
these two characters where

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Edwin can seem cold. But
I feel like Edwin is in

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that sense is being very
much himself, where we

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thought like Charles is
overly friendly, but it's a

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facade. Right.
Right. He

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is friendly and he is
good. But

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it's that way he deals
within the season is

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wanting to be good. So
we kind of overcompensates

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with that sunshiney feeling.
But

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if he was just himself, he
would still give up that

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same thing. It's
the overbearingness of it

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that people question. And
like, why are you always

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like this? Right.
What is it that you're

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overcompensating for? And
I think there's also

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something interesting with
these two characters and

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the fact that they they
open this dead boy

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detective agency to help
others, but they don't want

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to end up where those
other souls have to go. So

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they actually are constantly
risking their lives to help

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other people because every
time that, you know, death

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comes to collect them, they
have to run, they have to

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hide. And
so they're just so giving,

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but yet at the same time
need to step away from

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that part of everything.
Speaking

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of death, and it's a big
part in the series and for

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the boys and, you know,
wanting to continue to do

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this work and not wanting
to find out what their

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afterlife is. Because
so Edwin was put in hell

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by mistake by error, but
he was put in hell. So

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he was there for what, 70
years. 70. Yeah.

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So it's awful. So
he has like an extra like,

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I don't want death to get
me. And

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also Charles wants to be
with him and is fine where

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he's at. Death
does make an appearance and

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that's played by Kirby from
the Sam and Netflix series.

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Love
her anytime she's on

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screen. I
still the sound of her

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wings. So
good that episode. I

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think that was like the
only thing Derek saw from

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that show. I
need him to watch the

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show, but I did show you
her episode, the sound of

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the wings. It's
just so good. It

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is one of my favorite
issues in that comic. I

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think a lot of people like
that one, but for good

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reasons, but she's only in
it once. You

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do see her wings throughout
the series. So

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I'm hoping that in season
two of Sandman season two

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of Dead Boy Detect as we
get more Kirby because. I

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mean, perfect every time.
Yes.

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If I'm going to the
afterlife, I would love

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Kirby to be the one to
welcome me. And

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I think that having Kirby
in that first episode

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really was the Sandman, you
know, sprinkle of Sandman

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in it. Right.
It's letting you know this

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is part of the Sandman
universe. We

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needed that. And
later on in the hell

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episode towards the end of
the first season, we do

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see despair in there as
well or misery from the

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Sandman series as well. So
it was good to see some

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other characters pop up as
well to also remind us

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like, by the way, Morpheus
is around somewhere. 100%.

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I
think, you know, when I

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think about George Rex Drew
and Jayden Reverie playing

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Edwin and Charles, I think
they have a bit of an

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interesting job here. Right.
So they're carrying on the

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lineage of the Sandman
universe. But

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they're also, if you think
about these characters. So

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someone like Edwin has been
in this afterlife for this

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in between life, you know,
for 70 years in hell and

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then 30 years as a dead
boy detective. So

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they're both like, well, at
least he is over 100 years

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old. Yeah.
Right. So

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you have to play this
character of old. I'm

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17, 16, 17, 18, but I'm
also over 100 years old.

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It's
very Avatar the last

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airbender. Yeah.
Interesting connection, but

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yeah, like it makes sense.
It's

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a 12 year old who's really
112 years old. I

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didn't expect you to know
that. But

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that is true. And
then I think they did a

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good job with also
reminding us that even

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though they're when they
were when they died, when

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they were mortals, they
were young, but they lived

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for so long. Yes,
they're wise and a lot of

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stuff, but the maturity in
some areas like specifically

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Edwin and sexuality and how
even to kiss somebody and

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all of that just never
progressed. And

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then say the thing with
Charles, he never learned

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how to kind of even like,
no matter how somebody's

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treating you, you don't
need to appease that

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person. Like,
you know, when you get

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older, you're like, I don't
need to like make sure

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that person has my approval
that treats me like shit.

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Yeah.
You know, that's just

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something that develops as
you get older. But

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throughout the series, it
was good to see them deal

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with that or come to terms
with that. That

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was actually one of my
favorite things of this

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first season was how they
dealt with some of that

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stuff. Yeah.
And it's interesting that

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they've spent the last
three decades together, but.

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Didn't
talk about it. Right.

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Exactly. There's
still that humanity within

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them of this is something
that's a little too

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painful. So
I'm just going to keep it

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to myself. Yeah.
You know, spending 30 years

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with someone and not even
saying like, I think I

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might like men, you know,
like that's intense. Well,

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he is. He
came from a time where

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it's like definitely not.
You

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can't be a homosexual and
then also he was dead in

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hell. So
it's like he had no time

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to be like, I like butts
men, but men. More

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specifically. Yeah.
He had no time for that.

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And
it is with the help of

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our wonderful clairvoyant
psychic. Crystal

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Palace. This
crystal palace, which is a

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name is amazing. Edwin
Payne. Right.

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You know, he suffered a
lot of pain for 70 years.

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It's
very, it's on the nose. I

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was, I was even thinking
about Charles Rowland,

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right? Row
as in in the water where

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he almost died and he got.
Well,

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that's not how he died in
the comics, but that does

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make sense for the show.
Did,

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did he die on land in the
car? Yeah.

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Yeah. He
died like in the attic and

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yeah. Yeah.
Anyway, so he didn't die

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on in water in the comics,
but for the show, it makes

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sense. Yes.
They're having fun. Yeah.

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Crystal Palace. Amazing.
Her mystery of having the

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demonic boyfriend haunt her
where her past is her

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memories, her coming to
turns with her powers and

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growing from that. She
was a good addition to

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this because they needed
somebody more modern to

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call them on their shit.
Yeah.

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And also immortal being
able to see them and help

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them with their cases. And,
and right off the bat, you

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know, throwing in this
third wheel in essence, you

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see how it really mucks
things up for Edwin, right?

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Charles
is super excited to welcome

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her in, maybe has an
attraction to her. Edwin

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right away is like, no,
no, no, no, I don't like

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you. You
don't need to be here.

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We're
fine by ourselves. Right.

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And we, and at first
you're kind of like, wow,

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this guy's just being a
kind of prick, but you

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realize later on why he's
being that way. Yeah.

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Edwin was an interesting
character specifically when

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other people come into the
mix because he's very like,

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no, like we're okay. We
do things how we do them

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as it goes on. You
start falling in love with

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him and you start
understanding why when more

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people come into the mix,
I think the more people

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that are around, the better
it is for our dead boys.

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Definitely.
Yeah. Crystal,

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how did you feel about her
as a whole for the, her

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arc, I should say? I
absolutely loved her. I

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think that she was
incredibly powerful, really

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smart. I
liked how strong willed she

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was and how she really was
able to carve her own

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path. In
all of these cases, right?

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She
is willing to be there for

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them, but also take care
of herself. And

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really a lot of this is
her journey is a lot about

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not prescribing to who you
once were and being able

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to create a new self when
you had the opportunity. I

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mean, even if it was from
supernatural reasons, she

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got a clean slate. And
the cool thing about that

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is even when she got a
clean slate, she was a

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good person. So
it's like you learned how

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to be a bad person because
you were just completely

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neglected as a child from
your parents. Nature

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versus nurture. And
you had these abilities and

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you could do whatever you
want. So

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what are you going to do?
Be

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a shitty person. And
she was awful. Yeah.

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People walk into traffic.
Stealing.

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Well, the amount she did,
not good, but like, you

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know, everybody goes through
that. And

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you know what though? I
really wasn't expecting

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that. It's
interesting that like I

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really felt her as this
kind, helpful, badass

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character. And
to see who that's that's

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who she once was, I
thought was it really kind

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00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,040
of flipped it flipped it
for me. Yeah.

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We have to talk about the
fourth wheel technically in

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this. There
is like a kind of fifth

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wheel, but not until the
end. Yeah.

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But the fourth wheel for
this Niko. Miss

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Niko. Just
wants the best for

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everyone. Immediately
when you first see her and

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all those doodle neon
things around her, it's

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like, yeah, we're going to
like her. We're

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totally intoxicated from her
glowing thing, which is

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actually bad. But
you know, I love looking

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at these four together and
you know, Edwin is the

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brain, Charles is the
brawn, Crystal is the

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mental and Niko is the
emotional. Yeah.

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She's like the spirit.
Yeah.

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So they all come together
to really fill each of

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these roles within the
agency. And

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I think that Niko is just
so fun and so quirky,

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right? And
so we need that because

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Edwin is so heavy. Crystal
is dealing with a lot.

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Charles
the same. So

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when we have Niko come in,
she's in these like

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monochromatic outfits. She
has jet black hair that

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00:21:01,340 --> 00:21:03,300
ends up turning into
platinum blonde. Which

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is amazing. You
know, she keeps the

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dandelion sprites that
almost made her explode as

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pets. So
she's just giving and

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delightful in all ways.
Because

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you mentioned them, I want
to just take a small

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little tiny segue to these
dandelion sprites. They

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this show was so funny and
like not trying to be

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funny. Like
I know they wrote it to

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be funny in this way, but
it was so naturally for

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these actors and these
characters and sometimes

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went further than you would
think. Specifically

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with these dandelion
sprites, like the amount of

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times they cussed, how many
times they ripped into

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these people is amazing. It
was so funny. Hilarious.

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So their names are Liddy
and Kingham and they're and

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they are played by comics.
And

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so you'll all know Liddy
played by Caitlin Riley.

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She
is like a super famous

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TikToker. She's
on Dropout TV. She's

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the girl that's going to
be okay. Yeah.

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You know that girl. And
so this unexpected, I mean,

473
00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:07,600
they're in these like, I
can't like what country

474
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,440
gnome outfits with these
dandelion hats. Like,

475
00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:14,100
and they are just foul
mouth bitches. They

476
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:16,820
are not sprites in any
good sense of the word.

477
00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:19,000
Dandelion,
no wishes. They're

478
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,560
here to make your
nightmares come true. And

479
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,920
it was so unexpected, but
hilarious. I

480
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,220
love it anytime that Nico,
because then the first

481
00:22:28,220 --> 00:22:29,900
couple of episodes where
Nico was there, she kind

482
00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:32,020
of stayed back a little
bit before venturing out

483
00:22:32,020 --> 00:22:34,960
with them. And
they would be like in the

484
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,260
jar. We're
like, Oh, are you staying

485
00:22:36,260 --> 00:22:38,680
here because nobody likes
you? Yeah.

486
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,520
And as it, because you
smell like trout or

487
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,679
whatever they said, salmon
breath, like ridiculous. So

488
00:22:44,679 --> 00:22:46,040
funny. I
loved them. And

489
00:22:46,048 --> 00:22:49,080
I hope, I mean, I think
by the end, we see her

490
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,080
with them somewhere. So
I'm hoping we get more of

491
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,260
them. And
my question is, are they

492
00:22:56,260 --> 00:22:58,640
her size or is she their
size? That's

493
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,560
the big question. Right.
But she was holding. That's

494
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,440
true. But
did it shrink with her?

495
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,220
Did
that shrink? Is

496
00:23:05,220 --> 00:23:07,020
she in a snow globe? How
small is that igloo? Is

497
00:23:07,020 --> 00:23:10,140
she in a snow globe? What
is the Aurora barry owls?

498
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:11,760
Is
it just LED lights? That's

499
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,040
a spoiler. We
just spoiled the literal

500
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,600
last scene of the entire
first season. So

501
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,240
sorry about that. I
think we should kind of

502
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,980
maybe jump into some of
our other really cool side

503
00:23:22,980 --> 00:23:25,520
characters. Yeah,
yeah, we'll get into bigger

504
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,240
themes, but I feel like we
can't not mention some of

505
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,020
these characters. So
I want to talk about

506
00:23:30,020 --> 00:23:32,580
Esther Finch, who is our
witch. Okay.

507
00:23:32,980 --> 00:23:34,700
She is a big part in this
season. Oh

508
00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:38,020
my. Again,
this is unexpected comedy.

509
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,860
Holy
smokes. I

510
00:23:39,860 --> 00:23:42,500
don't know. So
Jen Lyon plays Esther Finch

511
00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:47,140
and she somehow marries an
evil witch, Jennifer

512
00:23:47,140 --> 00:23:49,360
Coolidge, and a Valley
girl. Like

513
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,280
what? Yeah.
It doesn't make sense, but

514
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,200
it's so well done. It's
so good. Oh

515
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,360
man. It's
like just the gold that

516
00:23:58,360 --> 00:23:59,400
was shooting out of her
mouth. And

517
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,280
within the same sentence,
she could be horrifically

518
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,320
menacing and also hilarious.
Yeah.

519
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,060
It's when she was like
saying lines to cut them

520
00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:11,680
down or doing great clap
backs and then just having

521
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,820
a demonic voice in that
same sentence by the end.

522
00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:16,860
It's
like, she's amazing. And

523
00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:18,880
I love the links that she
would go. The

524
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,280
cool thing about the show
is like, there's a lot of

525
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,180
rules and there's a lot of
way supernatural stuff

526
00:24:23,180 --> 00:24:26,720
works. And
once they lay out like,

527
00:24:26,980 --> 00:24:29,280
okay, they can travel by
mirrors, like as they can

528
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,580
go through things, people
near death experiences can

529
00:24:31,580 --> 00:24:35,120
see ghosts. Once
that's done, it's whatever

530
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,480
happens happens. Like
we're familiar enough with

531
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,760
witches and like what they
do to where, oh yeah, of

532
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,000
course, she turned her crow
familiar into a boy to

533
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,120
lure the gay boy, dead boy
to her. There's

534
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:53,140
a lot of gay cat and
mouse love triangle things

535
00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:54,200
happening through this.
Which

536
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,120
I fully support. But
her story was actually by

537
00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,680
the end got, I was
engrossed in her story. I

538
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,560
wanted to see how this
would go and where it was

539
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,580
going to go. Her
making the pact with

540
00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:09,320
Lilith, her taking down her
husband and the husband

541
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,300
lover. It
was very interesting story

542
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:13,360
and she's been there since
the town was founded. It's

543
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,280
just really cool. One
of my favorite things that

544
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,900
they did and they did it
twice in this is that when

545
00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:21,440
they tell back stories,
they go to animation.

546
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,580
Different
types of animation.

547
00:25:22,580 --> 00:25:23,580
Different
types of animation, which I

548
00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:26,680
thought was really clever
and it didn't pull me out

549
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,820
of it at all. It
just like kind of took us

550
00:25:29,820 --> 00:25:32,340
out of this real world and
brought us into this

551
00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:34,000
animated world to tell it.
And

552
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,920
I was like, oh, that was
really smartly done. I

553
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,260
enjoyed that. Yeah,
they did it with her and

554
00:25:37,260 --> 00:25:39,780
they did it with tragic
Mick, which is another

555
00:25:39,780 --> 00:25:43,220
fantastic character, a
walrus man that is now a

556
00:25:43,220 --> 00:25:44,900
human and stuck this way.
And

557
00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:46,900
owns a magical trinket
shop. Yeah,

558
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,400
tragic Mick's. He
is there for all of their

559
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,020
spooky needs. He's
delightful. I

560
00:25:52,020 --> 00:25:53,620
really loved him. And
these are the things that

561
00:25:53,620 --> 00:25:55,720
I really love about these
types of shows where it's

562
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,280
like you have a community
of people that these people

563
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,580
keep going to for things
that only know about that

564
00:26:01,580 --> 00:26:04,000
side of the world that
they're dealing with. It's

565
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,380
just a really cool feeling
like, you know, it's still

566
00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:09,020
a secret, but like you're
letting people in, you're

567
00:26:09,020 --> 00:26:10,720
seeing how that world
works. It's

568
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,180
a lot of fun. One
of the interesting things

569
00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:17,580
about this as a whole was
the setting, the fact that

570
00:26:17,580 --> 00:26:20,640
they are British, their
headquarters are in London,

571
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,800
but the almost entire first
season takes place in

572
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,200
Washington. Yeah,
it's like in state. Yeah,

573
00:26:26,340 --> 00:26:28,100
that was like so unexpected
to me. Yeah,

574
00:26:28,140 --> 00:26:31,360
it was it's bizarre, but I
like it because then they

575
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,740
didn't kind of do it. It
made it more, I don't

576
00:26:34,740 --> 00:26:37,280
know, how do I put this?
Like

577
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,120
it made it feel more
purposeful with the reasons

578
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,600
why they were there, right?
I

579
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,540
think it was really smart
for having the cat king,

580
00:26:44,660 --> 00:26:46,960
keeping him there. So
it created this long thing

581
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,760
of like, okay, he needs to
find a way to get out of

582
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,820
this town. But
while they're doing that,

583
00:26:51,940 --> 00:26:53,660
there's still cases
happening. It

584
00:26:53,660 --> 00:26:56,060
was smart to do it that
way. And

585
00:26:56,060 --> 00:26:58,820
I think it felt like it
solidified them as an

586
00:26:58,820 --> 00:27:01,980
agency who has to travel
to solve cases. You

587
00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:03,660
know, not everything's going
to happen just here in,

588
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,940
you know, foggy London.
Yeah,

589
00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:07,240
they just went to another
foggy place. Yeah,

590
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,580
they went to Washington.
Can

591
00:27:08,580 --> 00:27:10,740
we talk about the cat king
for like two seconds?

592
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,620
Surely.
Lucas Cage plans the cat

593
00:27:14,620 --> 00:27:17,520
king the second that he
was on screen. I

594
00:27:17,528 --> 00:27:20,320
was like, okay, okay, he's
being a little he's selling

595
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,240
sex. He's
doing the cat and mouse

596
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,000
game. And
then seeing him and Edwin

597
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,580
and just Edwin's like
repressed slash not coming

598
00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:31,480
to turns with his sexuality
and just like wanting to

599
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,340
lean into it, but doesn't
with heartbreaking and also

600
00:27:34,340 --> 00:27:38,180
really cool that they
showed that even for a

601
00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:40,720
dead boy. Yeah,
I think it was so

602
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,240
interesting right in that
first episode when we see

603
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,420
the cat king really coming
on to Edwin and you're

604
00:27:46,420 --> 00:27:48,960
kind of expecting Edwin to
lean into it to

605
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,340
reciprocate, but he can't.
And

606
00:27:52,340 --> 00:27:53,940
so as the viewer, you're
like, whoa, they're getting

607
00:27:53,940 --> 00:27:56,300
right into it, you know,
and the cat king, I think

608
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:58,520
is expecting him to do the
same. But

609
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,220
Edwin has these blinders on
where he can't even admit

610
00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:05,340
that or come to terms with
it. He's

611
00:28:05,340 --> 00:28:07,560
never kissed before. He
doesn't know what to do

612
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,640
with these feelings that he
has. I

613
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,900
mean, but even if you
haven't kissed, you know

614
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:15,500
what's going on. Yeah,
like, I do like that they

615
00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:19,540
added the updated story
that they that Boy to

616
00:28:19,540 --> 00:28:22,300
Texas recently had with the
potential romance between

617
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:24,580
the two boys. And
the series, it turns out,

618
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,660
yes, Edwin does love
Charles and Charles, he's

619
00:28:27,660 --> 00:28:29,620
like, we have time to
figure this out. I

620
00:28:29,620 --> 00:28:31,480
don't know if I love you
that way, but we have

621
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,440
time. And
in the end, it does sound

622
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,500
like we're better off as
friends. But

623
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:38,840
the cool thing about that
and the great thing about

624
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,600
their relationship is that
Charles doesn't hate him,

625
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,420
doesn't think it's gross.
It's

626
00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:46,700
like, thanks. Yeah,
I don't feel that way for

627
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:49,640
you, but like we can keep
talking about this. Yes.

628
00:28:49,820 --> 00:28:51,400
But we're friends still.
Also,

629
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:54,020
we're trying to escape hell
in this moment that you're

630
00:28:54,020 --> 00:28:56,420
admitting that. Well,
yes, there are bigger

631
00:28:56,420 --> 00:28:59,920
things happening. But
I think it's I like this

632
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:03,160
a lot because the will
they won't they I'm kind

633
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,080
of fine with it happening
and I'm also fine with it

634
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,380
not happening. I
think I'm fine with it

635
00:29:09,380 --> 00:29:13,940
more not happening only
only for the sense of

636
00:29:13,940 --> 00:29:16,480
like, you know that if
these two protagonists

637
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,880
started like smooching that
they would find some reason

638
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,320
to drive away. Yeah.
And it's like, I love them

639
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,140
so much together and they
love each other so much

640
00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:27,360
and not even death can
bring him apart. I

641
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,560
don't want some written way
to drive a wedge between.

642
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,960
Yeah.
And I think that apparently

643
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,360
Edwin, no matter where he
goes, is just going to

644
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,480
have people chasing after
him, no matter what. So

645
00:29:40,488 --> 00:29:44,160
he'll be fine. But
I, I agree that I would

646
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,160
rather it not work out
because one of the things

647
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,560
that I really love is. So
let's say that Edwin, you

648
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,440
know what? Let's
just say regardless of

649
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,440
their sexualities, they are
not interested in each

650
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,020
other in a relationship
way. I

651
00:29:57,020 --> 00:30:01,320
love watching a very
healthy male male

652
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,140
friendship, which entails
things like saying I love

653
00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:09,820
you, which entails things
like hugging each other and

654
00:30:09,820 --> 00:30:12,440
holding each other and
going to hell for each

655
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,380
other. Exactly.
Risking your life for each

656
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:16,760
other. And
I, I think that we see,

657
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,940
you know, female
representing relationships of

658
00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:23,780
friendship like that. That's
so easy hugging and holding

659
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:26,420
hands and laying in bed
together and talking. And

660
00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:28,760
we rarely see that between
two male presenting

661
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,440
characters. And
so I really loved that. I

662
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,640
loved seeing that. And,
you know, this is like way

663
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,860
out of the realm, but it's
also a Netflix thing. One

664
00:30:36,860 --> 00:30:39,220
of the things I love about
queer eyes so much is that

665
00:30:39,220 --> 00:30:43,780
these five queer people are
they hold hands. They

666
00:30:43,780 --> 00:30:45,880
hug each other. And
so this kind of takes it

667
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,980
to another level where, you
know, with a friend who

668
00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:51,540
maybe won't have the same
sexuality as you or

669
00:30:51,540 --> 00:30:54,560
identity as you, you could
still do that as well.

670
00:30:54,740 --> 00:30:56,600
Yeah.
And that's a beauty of, I

671
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,000
know Neil Gaiman worked on
this series as well and a

672
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,020
writer and some capacity
and like producer. And

673
00:31:02,020 --> 00:31:03,560
that's one of the things
that I love about Neil

674
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,860
Gaiman's work is even back
when Sandman was being

675
00:31:06,860 --> 00:31:09,660
written 30 plus years ago.
I

676
00:31:09,660 --> 00:31:11,560
mean, they had trans
characters. They

677
00:31:11,568 --> 00:31:13,240
had non -binary characters.
They

678
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,400
had all of these things.
And

679
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,080
I love that. And
I think that's why I've

680
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,020
always gravitated towards
his work because he was

681
00:31:19,020 --> 00:31:21,820
never afraid to show those
types of relationships or

682
00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:24,660
conversations. And
I love that it still shows

683
00:31:24,660 --> 00:31:26,600
through with this. And
I think it was to the

684
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,580
benefit of this series to
be inclusive with a lot of

685
00:31:29,580 --> 00:31:32,840
different people, races,
sexuality, relationships and

686
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,140
all of that. And
even different types of

687
00:31:35,140 --> 00:31:38,000
people. You
know, we got the main four

688
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,340
who are very different
types. But

689
00:31:40,340 --> 00:31:42,020
you know who my favorite
is? Out

690
00:31:42,020 --> 00:31:44,800
of all of them. Our
butcher babe. Jenny.

691
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,440
I love her. I
love her tattoos. I

692
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,460
love that she has this
bespoke butcher shop

693
00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:55,940
randomly there. Tongue
and tail. Is

694
00:31:55,940 --> 00:31:56,440
that what it was called?
Yeah,

695
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,260
that's what it's called.
It's

696
00:31:58,260 --> 00:32:00,040
amazing. And
I love that part way

697
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,600
through this series. We
actually see Crystal wearing

698
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,360
a tongue and tail t -shirt.
Oh,

699
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,280
that's what it. Okay.
I didn't realize that was

700
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,280
the name of the shop.
Yeah.

701
00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:08,540
That makes a lot of sense.
I

702
00:32:08,540 --> 00:32:09,840
love it. She's
got the merch. And

703
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,500
I love her as a character
because she didn't really

704
00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:15,900
ask any questions to help
these girls. And

705
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:19,260
the thing that I like
about her as far as this

706
00:32:19,260 --> 00:32:22,420
season goes is we don't
know much about her, but

707
00:32:22,420 --> 00:32:25,360
we know enough about her
where I want more. And

708
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,060
it does seem like she's
going to still be around.

709
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:28,600
She
should be around the second

710
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,220
season. But
she let these high

711
00:32:31,220 --> 00:32:33,220
schoolers and and she was
like, as long as you pay

712
00:32:33,220 --> 00:32:35,280
the rent, I'm not going to
ask questions. But

713
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,440
towards the end of it and
as it's going, she does

714
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,120
care for them. So
it makes you think, what

715
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,600
did she go through exactly
in this position? I

716
00:32:43,608 --> 00:32:46,900
think that both in Nico
and Crystal, she sees a

717
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:48,440
little bit of herself in
them. And

718
00:32:48,448 --> 00:32:51,120
we don't know her story
yet. We

719
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,340
don't know her past, but
she's dropped little hints,

720
00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:55,060
right? So
we know that this is a

721
00:32:55,060 --> 00:32:57,800
family owned business. She
sort of inherited it. She's

722
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,260
been running it, which is
a butcher shop where she's

723
00:33:00,260 --> 00:33:02,280
just always jumping things
up and throwing scraps in

724
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,900
the back. Her
walking around with that

725
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:04,880
meat cleaver all the time.
I

726
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,860
love her in that way.
Covered

727
00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:08,040
in blood. Right.
There was one point where

728
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,320
like she wasn't even really
in the butcher shop and

729
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,060
she was wearing a shirt
with like blood on it. And

730
00:33:13,060 --> 00:33:14,060
I'm like, I love this.
That's

731
00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:15,880
such smart detail, right?
As

732
00:33:15,888 --> 00:33:17,680
far as the costume
designers concerned, that is

733
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,980
so good. It's
so good. And

734
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:23,880
I think that she, we also
see, OK, so there's a

735
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,560
librarian in it. And
at first I was like, yay,

736
00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:30,060
a librarian. And
then I was like, oh, no,

737
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,700
no, not good, not a
librarian. But

738
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:37,180
before the librarian
happens, there's a secret

739
00:33:37,180 --> 00:33:40,320
admirer of Gage. And
she wants it to just stay

740
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,160
that way because it almost
feels like the intimacy of

741
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,720
meeting the person face to
face would be too much. I

742
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,940
think she knows what can
come when things get too

743
00:33:48,940 --> 00:33:50,900
real. And
that's her. Yeah.

744
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,080
Or murder, whichever one
happens. You

745
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,300
know, slippery butcher
floors. I

746
00:33:57,308 --> 00:33:59,640
should be talking about
like what our favorite

747
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,040
episode is or like standout
episodes. Yeah,

748
00:34:02,060 --> 00:34:04,800
sure. OK.
Do you go first? What

749
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,060
is like your favorite
episode or case? Whichever

750
00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:09,780
one you want to. So
I'm going to do the case

751
00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:12,520
and it's the case of the
Devlin house. Mine

752
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,800
too. Is
it really? Yeah.

753
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:18,760
So I over the last, I
would say, eight months

754
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,980
have started devouring true
crime. And

755
00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:26,260
this episode felt very true
crime, super true crime,

756
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,400
right? What
caused the father to snap

757
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:34,219
to hack his family? Oh,
that I didn't care about.

758
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,679
Like
I cared about it, but I

759
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,520
was just like, yeah, that's
not standard, but it's like

760
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,580
it's a true crime thing,
right? Them

761
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:45,980
in a loop, terrifying,
devastating, so well done.

762
00:34:45,980 --> 00:34:49,560
It
was it was that familiar

763
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,780
true crime feeling, but
with this extra supernatural

764
00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:55,420
twist on it. Yeah.
And just made it so sad.

765
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,460
That's
the thing that was really

766
00:34:56,460 --> 00:34:59,740
cool about all of these
cases is that even though

767
00:34:59,740 --> 00:35:01,500
they can kind of be a
little goofy, like the

768
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:04,000
angler fish is like kind
of goofy. The

769
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,040
lighthouse leapers. But
having those lighthouse

770
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,980
leapers here, their loved
ones in some way is tragic

771
00:35:08,980 --> 00:35:11,200
and they just fall to
their death. And

772
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,160
so in this, it's like
they've been going and

773
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,540
dying for 30 years over
and over in a loop and

774
00:35:18,540 --> 00:35:20,540
like having them try to
figure it out. And

775
00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:22,900
then Charles getting put
into a loop and it was

776
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:25,300
just such a well done
episode. And

777
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:28,160
it was episode three. I
feel like I was sold in

778
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,800
the first episode that
episode three. I

779
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,440
was like, oh, they're going
to do some interesting

780
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,600
stuff. Yeah.
That's when I felt

781
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,820
incredibly dark, right? And
so. And

782
00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:39,520
that's when I loved it.
First

783
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,520
of all, not to be the guy
that's going to be 40 next

784
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,660
year, but the fact that 30
years ago was like 90

785
00:35:45,660 --> 00:35:49,320
something is like, oh,
cool. You

786
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,260
know, whatever I think 30
years ago, I'm like the

787
00:35:51,260 --> 00:35:53,880
70s. But
not at all. But

788
00:35:53,888 --> 00:35:57,760
this also so in this
episode, things are really

789
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,140
ramping up, right? So
we're watching this father

790
00:36:00,140 --> 00:36:04,160
acts his family to death
and then, you know, spoiler

791
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,280
alert, we see Charles get
stuck in the loop himself.

792
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,820
So
now Edwin and Crystal, who

793
00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:12,000
have not been getting along
this entire time, have to

794
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,660
figure out what's going on.
But

795
00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:18,500
then on top of that, they
introduce the misery wraith,

796
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,540
which is like this
backwards upside down

797
00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:25,320
crawling flesh mummy. No.
Yeah, feeds off a misery.

798
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,540
Oh
my God. It

799
00:36:27,540 --> 00:36:30,800
was so much happening. I
loved it. I

800
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,100
was like, I will say, if
you haven't watched it and

801
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:35,940
you're listening to this to
like figure out if you

802
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:39,440
want to watch it. Watch
it in a dark room. That's

803
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,780
like my main critique with
this is that if you watch

804
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:45,180
it during the day and you
have like light in the

805
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:48,180
room, it is hard to see
what's going on. And

806
00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:49,660
that's just the nature of
the show. It's

807
00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:52,560
a dark show and it a lot
of stuff happens at night.

808
00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:55,300
That
scene in particular was

809
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:57,560
awesome. Like
I love horror and I love

810
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,060
these types of things. So
adding that on top of like

811
00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:01,540
all this character
development, all this

812
00:37:01,540 --> 00:37:03,380
queerness and all of that.
Oh,

813
00:37:04,060 --> 00:37:05,940
I send the cake. Yeah.
Yeah. I

814
00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:08,100
also think another really
great episode was episode

815
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:11,280
seven, the case of the
very long stairway. So

816
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,540
this is when we really see
the true power of their

817
00:37:14,540 --> 00:37:17,240
friendship. Penelope.
The penelope. Oh,

818
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,320
it's a penelope. But
I loved when they were in

819
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,640
hell and to get to well
to find Charles, excuse me

820
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,000
to find Edwin, Charles has
to go through the seven

821
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,680
deadly sins. So
the different layers of

822
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,160
hell. Yes.
And so he's in gluttony.

823
00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:37,560
He's
in lust. He

824
00:37:37,567 --> 00:37:40,380
it's avarice. Oh
man, that was really

825
00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:41,900
freaky. It's
really cool. I'm

826
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:43,980
very curious. I'm
not sure if they mentioned

827
00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:45,420
it. I
might have missed it in

828
00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:48,220
the Saman comic during the
seasons of the mist and

829
00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:52,140
how they get introduced is
dream going down to hell

830
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:54,760
to convert Lucifer. It's
a long big thing.

831
00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:57,000
Essentially,
it leads to Lucifer

832
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,900
abdicating and being like,
I'm done. I'm

833
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:03,480
closing hell. I
let all the spirits and

834
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,040
everything go back up. I'm
done. Here's

835
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,660
the key dream. Goodbye.
Cut my wings off. And

836
00:38:08,660 --> 00:38:10,340
that's how we got the
Lucifer comic and all of

837
00:38:10,340 --> 00:38:13,680
that. I'm
not sure if that's happened

838
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,360
in this. It'd
be interesting to see if

839
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,740
it does happen. That's
kind of why Edwin is up

840
00:38:19,740 --> 00:38:20,960
there. That's
kind of why Charles is

841
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,820
like, that's why there's a
lot of spirits. And

842
00:38:22,820 --> 00:38:25,900
because of that, that's
actually how Charles dies

843
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:28,000
because in the boarding
school, there's a bunch of

844
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,300
spirits killing people and
it's all the stuff. So

845
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:34,020
to see them actually in
hell and like going through

846
00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:36,400
all this stuff was cool
because I didn't expect it.

847
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:37,500
I
didn't expect it to be

848
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:40,140
populated. Like
when they went down there,

849
00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:42,300
I was like, oh, did
Lucifer not abdicate yet?

850
00:38:42,740 --> 00:38:44,200
Yes.
That's interesting. Where

851
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,580
in the timeline of the
Sandiverse is this

852
00:38:46,580 --> 00:38:48,620
happening? I've
named it the Sandiverse.

853
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,840
Netflix.
Get on it. There's

854
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,000
gonna be like the game and
galaxy or something like

855
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,960
that. I
also thought another

856
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,280
interesting detail of this
episode. So

857
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,960
the reason that Edwin ends
up in hell is that these

858
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,620
other boys in the boarding
school sort of they

859
00:39:08,620 --> 00:39:10,300
sacrifice him to a demon.
He

860
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:14,940
gets pulled into hell. But
he meets the lead boy who

861
00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:16,540
did it in this episode.
And

862
00:39:16,540 --> 00:39:20,100
there's this really
interesting conversation that

863
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:23,820
happens where we learn that
this other boy actually had

864
00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:27,060
a crush on Edwin. And
it made me feel - He wrote

865
00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:29,700
their initials on the
little margin of his book.

866
00:39:29,740 --> 00:39:30,620
Of
the book. Yeah.

867
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,240
And it really moved me
because it made me feel

868
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:40,740
like, you know, how many
young people fear who they

869
00:39:40,740 --> 00:39:44,900
truly are and resort to
things that are unhealthy

870
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:47,760
because they're afraid. To
express it to the world of

871
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,060
what others might think.
Right.

872
00:39:49,340 --> 00:39:54,360
And so to see Edwin see
this who has been sort of

873
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,960
trying to figure out who
he is and what he feels,

874
00:39:57,020 --> 00:40:01,140
it really like opened up
his eyes to say we were

875
00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:04,040
the same. Right.
He forgave him in no way

876
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,780
for that. Right.
And it's funny that the

877
00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:09,380
demon that he ended up
taking him to hell forgave

878
00:40:09,380 --> 00:40:11,440
him before he forgave the
person that ultimately

879
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,440
killed him. It's
sad, but it's something

880
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,440
that I think not many
people think about. It's

881
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,100
like, oh, that person's
bullied because they're gay.

882
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,520
It's
like, well, is the bullying

883
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,340
bullying them because
they're also not

884
00:40:24,340 --> 00:40:26,740
comfortable. Because
they feel like they can't

885
00:40:26,740 --> 00:40:28,560
talk about it or be that
way. So

886
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,940
they're bullying somebody
that they like or see that

887
00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:34,500
can be able to express
themselves. It's

888
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:36,520
an important thing. And
I think they did it really

889
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,440
well. And
if you weren't paying

890
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,660
attention, you know, you
might miss the very

891
00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:43,380
important. You
know what I mean? Like

892
00:40:43,388 --> 00:40:46,380
him seeing his initials on
there like, oh, that's

893
00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:48,620
devastating. And
then on the flip seeing

894
00:40:48,620 --> 00:40:50,480
Charles, because there's
almost mirror each other in

895
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,220
a way. And
you know, Charles's father

896
00:40:52,220 --> 00:40:54,040
is very abusive, beat him
and his mother and

897
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,900
everything. And
no matter how much good he

898
00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:59,440
tried to do it, it ended
up killing him. And

899
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,800
just because somebody was
from a different place like

900
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,520
him and he tried to defend
him from his friends, ended

901
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,920
up killing him. And
so it's another thing of

902
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,100
like, oh, the bullies felt
bad for bullying somebody

903
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:13,240
lesser than them. So
they bullied their friend.

904
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,800
It's
just that's like the one

905
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,800
of the things that draws
people to these stories

906
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,020
specifically the dead boys
is that. Yes,

907
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,600
it's like fun and scary
and all that stuff. And

908
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:26,960
then when you get to the
root of it, it's like,

909
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,020
it's sad and it's kind of
tragic and these in its

910
00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:30,420
people going through these
things. So

911
00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:33,500
it has this heaviness to
it that I think they

912
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:35,900
handled really well in the
show. Yeah,

913
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:40,640
it's it's I like that it
is exploration of humanity

914
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,420
through dead boys. Yeah.
Right. It's

915
00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:46,740
like only those who have
passed on can truly see

916
00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:49,060
what humans are struggling
with. Yeah.

917
00:41:49,540 --> 00:41:52,260
Yeah. And
I think it's a fun way to

918
00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:53,500
explore that kind of thing.
And

919
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:56,640
it almost makes us able to
accept that and listen to

920
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,660
it more because it's like
they're already dead. You

921
00:41:58,660 --> 00:42:01,320
know, it's not a living
person telling us. They've

922
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,000
been through it. They
have regrets. They've

923
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,740
seen the other side. Do
you have a favorite side

924
00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:09,920
character from here? Not
the main cast. The

925
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,620
main cast, I would say is
the five. The

926
00:42:11,620 --> 00:42:13,240
five. Yeah.
Oh, wow. Yeah.

927
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,480
So I think like of the
five, I'm really gravitate

928
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,180
towards Nico. But
of course, I will say that

929
00:42:19,180 --> 00:42:22,240
I think my favorite side
character is actually the

930
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,460
witch. Can
you guess who my favorite

931
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:28,540
is? I'm
going to say, oh my God.

932
00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:30,580
Okay.
Is it someone that we

933
00:42:30,580 --> 00:42:33,560
haven't talked about? Yeah.
Is it the night nurse?

934
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:34,820
Yeah.
I knew it. Yeah.

935
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,920
And it's not because of my
love of supernatural. She

936
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,000
played Crowley's mother, the
most powerful witch in the

937
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,340
series. You
know, not because of that,

938
00:42:42,460 --> 00:42:44,780
mostly because of that.
She's

939
00:42:44,780 --> 00:42:47,240
amazing. I
love her so much. Ruth

940
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:50,900
Connell, she was such an
interesting character. And

941
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:54,360
I love in these like death
stories where we have like

942
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,700
these different
organizations, these

943
00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:58,880
different offices. There's
always bureaucracy. There

944
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,140
is. If
you, Neil Gaiman, Good

945
00:43:01,140 --> 00:43:03,540
Omens, same thing. Yeah.
They have different levels

946
00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:05,540
of management. They
have all, it's just such a

947
00:43:05,540 --> 00:43:08,680
fun way to tell this. And
her department is so

948
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,180
interesting. The
Lost and Found department.

949
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,560
Lost
and Found is specifically

950
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,580
for children trying to
place them where they're

951
00:43:13,580 --> 00:43:15,820
supposed to go. She
went through an interesting

952
00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:19,980
arc, but I love that in
the end, she's forced to

953
00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:22,280
be with the dead boys. And
it's going to have an

954
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,220
interesting dynamic with
them. But

955
00:43:24,220 --> 00:43:27,960
I think we need it because
Edwin has been softened a

956
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,140
little bit. And
he's like coming into his

957
00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:36,580
sexuality, be that bisexual
or fully homosexual. I

958
00:43:36,580 --> 00:43:39,580
think we need it with her,
like her quips, her hating

959
00:43:39,580 --> 00:43:42,620
them. We'll
see if she gets softened a

960
00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:45,120
little bit. You
know, or maybe she'll just

961
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,220
always be stodgy no matter
what and resent them for

962
00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:51,520
eternity. I
love that. Yeah,

963
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:54,240
I do too. I
think that having, they

964
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,200
really did grow a lot.
These

965
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,940
characters in this. And
so I'm curious to see them

966
00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:02,720
taking what they've learned
now into the next season.

967
00:44:02,740 --> 00:44:03,980
And
I really hope we do get a

968
00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:07,080
next season. You
know, I know that we love

969
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,100
a lot of things, but this
was like intoxicatingly

970
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:12,100
good. Yeah.
And it was something where

971
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:15,220
I feel like you don't need
to read the comic. Like

972
00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:16,800
you should. I
feel like you should read

973
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,800
the comics. There's
an omnibus of the dead boy

974
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,180
detectives. There's
not, they haven't had many

975
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:24,080
comics. So
they've collected them in

976
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,000
an omnibus. I
recommend it if you're

977
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,440
going to read it. But
I feel like it's something

978
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,800
where everybody can
understand it without having

979
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,960
all this prior knowledge.
Right.

980
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,640
Because, you know, we're in
the world of like these

981
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,400
huge IPs and like Marvel
comics. You

982
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,660
have to have read the
entire history of Marvel to

983
00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:43,760
even just get this one
Easter egg. With

984
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,540
this, it's, it's fun to
just have fun with the

985
00:44:46,540 --> 00:44:49,160
series and let it teach
you the lessons it's trying

986
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,180
to. Yes.
You can, you can very

987
00:44:52,180 --> 00:44:55,880
easily learn the world and
the universe just by

988
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,260
watching it. And
I just feel like it's done

989
00:44:58,260 --> 00:45:01,120
really well. The
sets are amazing. The

990
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,460
costume design is wonderful.
The

991
00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:05,560
writing is fantastic. I
really think it ticks a

992
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,340
lot of boxes. Yeah.
It's horror, hot. It's

993
00:45:08,340 --> 00:45:10,840
horror, heart with humor.
It's

994
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:16,500
hot horror. It's
hot horror, humor, human.

995
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,460
Yeah.
I mean, I do, I do feel

996
00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:21,340
like some of the, it's
hard to tell sometimes with

997
00:45:21,340 --> 00:45:23,700
screeners where it's like,
is this the finished

998
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:26,680
project? Sometimes
if like the CGI or special

999
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,600
effects isn't in there,
they'll put like a red X,

1000
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,860
like not finished. And
then sometimes it's like

1001
00:45:30,860 --> 00:45:34,640
mostly finished. So
it's hard to tell like, is

1002
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,720
this the final thing
because there was some of

1003
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,620
the special effects really?
That's

1004
00:45:38,620 --> 00:45:40,820
a little like, that's a
little shoddy. It

1005
00:45:40,820 --> 00:45:42,800
didn't take me out because
the writing was so good.

1006
00:45:42,980 --> 00:45:44,240
All
these actors were

1007
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:48,440
believable. But
like fully poly, like if

1008
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,980
they were to like improve
just that slight bit, it'd

1009
00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:52,920
be a knockout. And
I think that's very

1010
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,560
nitpicky. Exactly.
Right. So

1011
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,900
if you're reviewers, we
have to. 100%. But

1012
00:45:56,900 --> 00:45:58,520
I think that if you're
there as just general

1013
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,200
audience member watching it,
you won't be pulled out of

1014
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,360
it. You
might not even notice those

1015
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,860
things. It's
just a really strong first

1016
00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:07,560
season. Yeah.
And you kind of fall in

1017
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,760
love with all these
characters and you don't

1018
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,500
want any of them to leave.
No.

1019
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:14,220
So that's the fear is that
as you keep going on, like

1020
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:16,280
as we were in the last
episode and, you know, in

1021
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,940
the middle of the last
episode, things are kind of

1022
00:46:17,940 --> 00:46:20,740
like getting a little bow
on it and you're kind of

1023
00:46:20,740 --> 00:46:22,960
like, but no, there has to
be something. Something

1024
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,500
is going to leave us
hanging off the cliff. And

1025
00:46:26,508 --> 00:46:28,180
then we got like a
children of men opening

1026
00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:30,800
with the shop just
exploding. Didn't

1027
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,480
expect that. I
was like, I was like, yes,

1028
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:34,700
they have to stay together.
And

1029
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:37,060
then I was like, no,
that's bad. Very,

1030
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:40,100
very, very bad. Not
good at all. So

1031
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:43,360
the ending of this season
one, I think sets up a

1032
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,460
season two perfectly where
season one stuff is done,

1033
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,240
wrapped it up like a bow,
but leaves us wanting more

1034
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:53,620
and we want to see what
happens next. Specifically,

1035
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,440
Nico dying, which is super
sad. I

1036
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,260
don't know what's going to
happen. I

1037
00:46:58,260 --> 00:47:01,540
believe she is a new
character for the show. So

1038
00:47:01,540 --> 00:47:04,920
like I have no idea who
she's supposed to be or

1039
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,320
what she's going to do.
Having

1040
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,040
her die was really sad. At
first we were like, oh, is

1041
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,460
she going to be a zombie
because she mentioned that

1042
00:47:12,460 --> 00:47:13,580
to the runners? They
bring her up. Yeah.

1043
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:17,180
But we see her in that
igloo with the dandelion

1044
00:47:17,180 --> 00:47:23,220
sprites. And
so she was given a like a

1045
00:47:23,220 --> 00:47:26,600
small polar bear or a
small bear token. And

1046
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,120
so they're in Alaska. It's
making me think of maybe.

1047
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,400
Is
she in Alaska? They

1048
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,700
were in the snow, right?
When

1049
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:36,780
you think of a bear, you
think of. I

1050
00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:38,640
didn't know if they
settled. No,

1051
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:41,120
no, no, but I felt like
Alaska because right, the

1052
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,500
constellation of the bear
and all that stuff. And

1053
00:47:43,508 --> 00:47:48,260
so, you know, why? Why
is she there? It's

1054
00:47:48,260 --> 00:47:50,240
obviously the magic of the
token, but why are the

1055
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:51,340
dandelion sprites with her?
And

1056
00:47:51,348 --> 00:47:54,480
so I'm a little worried
that she might not be

1057
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,120
good. We'll
see. They

1058
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,360
didn't show her face. Yeah.
But maybe the dandelion

1059
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,100
sprites grew fond of her
because out of everybody,

1060
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:05,400
even though they were
thrown insults at her, she

1061
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,880
still was like, I'm going
to keep them. I'm

1062
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:08,860
not going to kill them.
Like

1063
00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:10,940
there maybe they can become
good. That

1064
00:48:10,940 --> 00:48:13,200
is the thing about Nico is
that she saw the best in

1065
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,800
everybody. You
know, the line that mixed

1066
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,620
her, you never know when
the good is going to come

1067
00:48:17,620 --> 00:48:20,100
back to you. And
that's all she was doing.

1068
00:48:21,279 --> 00:48:23,660
So
I have a hope that she's

1069
00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:26,120
going to be good. But
if she becomes kind of

1070
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,440
like a villain to then
come back as Nico, that

1071
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,220
might be fun. Yeah.
It's interesting because the

1072
00:48:31,220 --> 00:48:33,840
thing that made me laugh
is that they're so used to

1073
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,760
death that this companion
of theirs, who they grew

1074
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,920
to love died. And
they're like, so let's

1075
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,180
expand the office. The
agency is booming. So

1076
00:48:43,180 --> 00:48:44,740
we're going to go to
London, right? Yeah.

1077
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,520
Let's just hop through this
mirror. Yeah.

1078
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:49,500
They did grieve her a
little bit, but. Four

1079
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:51,700
seconds. Yeah.
I mean, with Jenny being

1080
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:53,780
like they're going to send
her body back to Japan. I

1081
00:48:53,788 --> 00:48:56,140
was like, oh, yeah. That's
sad. And

1082
00:48:56,140 --> 00:48:57,780
then they're like, are you
coming to London or what?

1083
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,420
I'm
like, wait, Nico is dead.

1084
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,200
What
are we doing? Can

1085
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,460
we not like talk about
other things? Right?

1086
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:07,259
Okay. Fine.
Yeah. But

1087
00:49:07,259 --> 00:49:09,980
I am interested to see
what happens with Nico in

1088
00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:12,580
the next season. Me
too. So

1089
00:49:12,580 --> 00:49:15,040
final thoughts, final
rating, final like, I mean,

1090
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,760
I think it's pretty
apparent we won another

1091
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,360
season. We
loved every second of it.

1092
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,200
It
was very easy to watch.

1093
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:24,980
Gory,
scary, so many different

1094
00:49:24,980 --> 00:49:27,380
types of like supernatural
horrors. You

1095
00:49:27,388 --> 00:49:31,700
have kids killing kids that
like also abused other kids

1096
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:35,220
and then like ghosts and
loops and leapers from

1097
00:49:35,220 --> 00:49:39,400
things and Lilith. The
washer woman. Yeah.

1098
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,520
Who is constantly her
eternity is washing the

1099
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:43,920
blood of the world away.
Of

1100
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,800
humanity. Hello.
Yeah. And

1101
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,440
she even said, I think
there was a line where

1102
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,320
she's like, there's so much
blood now. And

1103
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,840
I was like, oh. And
then who was it? Who

1104
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,300
said it? Oh,
the, that woman at the end

1105
00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:57,260
from the lost and found
place. She's

1106
00:49:57,260 --> 00:50:00,720
like, there are more humans
than ever dying these days.

1107
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,120
Yeah.
Oh, boy. Yikes.

1108
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,900
Well, well, good thing we
have the dead boys. Yes.

1109
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,180
To help everybody go to
where they belong.

1110
00:50:08,620 --> 00:50:11,740
Absolutely.
To move on. So

1111
00:50:11,740 --> 00:50:14,440
what do you give it? What
would you rate it? I,

1112
00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:18,060
you know, a solid four out
of five. A

1113
00:50:18,060 --> 00:50:23,020
solid four out of five. I
was playing with five, but

1114
00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:25,240
I'm going to give it a
four and a half. Yeah.

1115
00:50:25,580 --> 00:50:29,000
I feel, I think because
I'm so hesitant to be like

1116
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,740
five is like, if they
don't renew it for a

1117
00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:33,640
second season, I'm going to
be really mad. Heart

1118
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,940
broke. But
we're getting a season two

1119
00:50:35,940 --> 00:50:38,120
of Sandman. So
if that does well, the

1120
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,700
sand diverse can get
bigger. This

1121
00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:42,780
is my thing. If
Sandman is too intense for

1122
00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:46,180
you, which it is for me,
then dead boy detectives

1123
00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:48,840
is. Perfect.
That's the thing that I'm

1124
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,400
so excited for, for this
like universe, because there

1125
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,600
could be so many different
types of stories. Sam

1126
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,300
and is very like thematic
and like really thought

1127
00:50:57,300 --> 00:50:59,740
provoking and like it could
be boring for some people.

1128
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,140
I
get it. This

1129
00:51:01,140 --> 00:51:03,800
is going to capture a
whole other audience. So

1130
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,920
I'm excited to see what
you guys think. What

1131
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,320
other people think? Yes.
Let us know. Book

1132
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,100
the dead boy detectives.
You

1133
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:12,920
got to love them. You're
going to love them. You're

1134
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,340
going to love them. And
then let us know who your

1135
00:51:16,340 --> 00:51:17,580
favorite side character was.
Or

1136
00:51:17,580 --> 00:51:19,640
favorite case, because
that's a lot of fun. I

1137
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,800
really want to know. So
many people are so funny.

1138
00:51:22,340 --> 00:51:23,480
Anyway,
okay. So

1139
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,840
next week, next week X men
back to X men 97. Yeah.

1140
00:51:28,399 --> 00:51:30,600
You know, we're still
dealing with the death of

1141
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:31,600
Gambit. It's
fine. We

1142
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,500
might. We
also might have a time

1143
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:38,600
traveler and a blue box
stuff coming on the

1144
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,980
podcast. You
heard it here first. We

1145
00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:42,520
got to the end of the
episode. So

1146
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,080
maybe some exclusive stuff.
We'll

1147
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,720
see. I
don't know. Some

1148
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,220
exciting things that
Disney's giving us the

1149
00:51:49,220 --> 00:51:51,280
opportunity to do. So
goodbye. Very

1150
00:51:51,280 --> 00:52:11,120
lucky. Goodbye.
Bye.