'Heartstopper' Season 3 Review & Reaction

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Hi.
Hi, welcome.

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It's like we're like, let's just
do the highs and then it's like,

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oh wait, we have to say
something afterwards.

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I I thought that we aced that
very proud of us.

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Welcome a byte of very special
episode.

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We got to see Heart Stopper
Season 3 Early Morning you.

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Now I'm just putting that out
there, there will be spoilers in

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this episode for Season 3 and
all of Heart Stopper, so please

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watch it and then be spoiled.
Yes, we will literally be

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talking about every single thing
that happens in the entire

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season, so it's not even like
you could maybe avoid something.

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Yeah, you will be spoiled, but
we'll I'll remind you again by

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the way, I am Noah and as
always, my heart stopper always

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joined with me, the lovely
Derek.

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You're you're the lovely Noah.
We are your heart stopper guides

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to all this season 3.
Before we get into everything,

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make sure you're following us on
all the socials.

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We're actually going to be on
vacation.

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So we're getting you're getting
a double dose of us this week.

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Heart stopper and Agatha.
Yes, you're welcome.

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I do love that when we go on
vacation, it is very much a huge

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part of the decision of when we
can cover episodes.

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Yeah, because we always think
about you guys.

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We want to make sure we deliver.
Yeah, but also make sure you're

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Follow the podcast, follow us.
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We got a Patreon, got a Discord,
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going on in spoiler chat.
So all of those things.

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Yes.
OK, I think spoilers from here

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on out officially.
Official spoiler review All

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right, so let us officially take
a bite of Heart Stopper Season

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3, written by Alice Osman.
Isn't that amazing?

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We get like the writer of the
graphic novel, originally a

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webtoon online comic.
Still a webtoon?

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Still, yeah.
Now to a Netflix series and is

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writing it oh so good.
I know it's incredible.

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So we are three seasons in to
Heart Stopper.

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We are three seasons covering it
on the podcast.

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What are your thoughts after we
finished watching all of these

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episodes?
How did you feel?

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So I have read all the books,
the five volumes that are out,

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so I knew what was coming, but I
still think that they did such

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an incredible job at portraying
it.

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The thing that I love most about
it is Wallace just has a way of

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so simply showing how hard, but
also how joyous life can be.

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And it's just in this one group
of teenagers.

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I think at the end of it, it
just was the IT felt like the

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realist season in the sense of
like, these are the very real

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problems that they're dealing
with.

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Verse Will they, won't they?
Oh right, so it's like past the

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the meet queue?
Exactly.

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Pass the meet queue, pass the
liking each other, pass the

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what, you know, who am I?
And it's like, oh, OK, now we're

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in the thick of it.
First time of them.

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Yes, that's true.
The question of identity, Yes,

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yes, yes.
I feel, which is a very integral

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part of the show.
I 100% agree.

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If I could sum this up in one
sentence, our babies are a mess

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this season and in I think
rightfully so, right?

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It's they're getting older,
their relationships are

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deepening, they're evolving.
I think what makes these types

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of stories so engaging is that
we've all experienced this type

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of thing in some way, Not even
just the the queer identities,

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right, or the LGBTQ plus
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It's more of like those
relationships with friends and

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also like your first love and
doing that in high school or

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middle school and then changing
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So we're right on the cusp of
that in this season of what is

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going to happen with everybody
when it will go off to uni.

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When life continues right from
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what happens after you fall in
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What happens after you become a
couple?

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What happens after your heart
stops Exactly Scary.

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So I, I very much really,
really, really enjoyed the

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season.
I do think the first season is

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my favorite because it's so
special and it's just like that

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first thing.
But this one, I think execution

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amazing.
They did so many different

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things in this season and it
felt newer but the same, which I

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I needed personally because I
was like how much are we going

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to see if like almost the same
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I did not read the books.
I'm very much by choice,

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deciding not to read them
because I want to be surprised.

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Yeah.
So I just wanted to put that out

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there.
You said you've read them.

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I didn't read.
Them, yes, and I've been a very

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good husband in not letting
anything leak.

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I think the last thing that I
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last scene I said, OK, well,
things are going to get a little

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more serious in this next one
and I like to think I was right.

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You were.
They followed the storyline, you

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know, they weren't afraid to
take that leap.

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Right, which I'm glad I didn't
know and I was surprised in many

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different ways for the season.
So how we're going to do this

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episode because every, you know,
it's such a big friend group.

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I do feel like out of all of the
seasons we have our friend

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group, that's going to be kind
of what the friend group is.

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We don't have many outside
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in the other two.
Like the bullies really aren't a

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factor in this one and it's
really more about the

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relationship.
So let's just do it couple by

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couple or person by person
because we can't forget about

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our baby Isaac, which is one of
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Characters, our beautiful
bibliophile.

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We love Isaac, so we'll do it,
you know, couple by couple.

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Should we start?
I'm going to say, oh man, who

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should we start with?
Should we do Darcy and Tara?

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I don't want to do Nick and
Charlie.

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No, I agree.
I actually think that, Oh, no,

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OK.
We love them all equally.

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I actually think we should
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Down, up, yes.
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Because the way we have it
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the opposite.
I do want to switch 1.

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OK, that's fine.
You guys are watching live

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editing right now?
I could have just cut this out.

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No, I want them to know.
What we deal with?

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Yes, exactly.
OK, OK, all right.

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OK, I feel better with that.
All right, you kick it off.

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So the first couple we're going
to start with is a very quick

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conversation.
They're very much the BCD

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storyline, but they're just it's
floating around.

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So we're going to talk about Mr.
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So since Paris, the pair have
become even closer and are now

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trying to hide their
relationship from the boys at

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True.
So for a second, I wasn't sure

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where we were with them, right?
Because when we first see them,

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they're kind of like sitting in
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awkwardly.
And you're thinking, oh, no, did

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they decide to not explore this
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back to school?
But it's actually like, OK,

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breathe.
We have to pretend that this

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isn't happening.
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I it's not that I forgot about
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together, I was like, Oh yeah.
They, like, I don't want to say

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hooked up, but they found each
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hooked up.
The romance.

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Right, which is fine.
It's Paris city love.

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I love them so much because I
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it is a little more relatable in
some aspects of seeing older gay

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men kind of navigate the work
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but also working together and
then being in a society that is

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mostly straight.
And how do you navigate that?

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Because we we really don't know
their stories, like how

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comfortable is one with their
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As opposed to Farouk, which
seemed like he had some

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reservations.
So I just love seeing them be

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like, OK, we're going to do
this, but like maybe not

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broadcast it and advertise it
because like sometimes the kids

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at true them are not nice.
That's.

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True, we've met quite a few of
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I do though in in my mind, I do
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where they're trying so hard to
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actually so obvious and all the
students totally know and don't

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really care at all.
Yeah, 'cause I what was it?

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The rugby coach that caught them
in the car, yes.

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And she was like, you guys got
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that, totally, because they're
kissing in the car.

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And, you know, you kind of wrote
up a good point.

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It is interesting because we're
obviously married and we work

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together.
So it's like it is an

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interesting dynamic, right?
That's what I was getting at.

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Yeah, and you got it.
You got there.

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But it is.
It is.

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It's funny to see that because
it's like, Oh yeah, that's like

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our daily life.
Yeah, I feel like we need to do

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like, I mean, we need to do just
like a hangout where we can like

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actually tell people who we are
on Patreon.

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Of course, yes.
Because I do feel like sometimes

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people like we we will get
comments very rarely, but

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occasionally of like, I didn't
know you guys were married.

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It's like, well, yeah, we're not
going to make out on the

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podcast.
We could, but like.

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We're not there.
We're not there yet.

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That's not the type of content
you clicked on.

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No, we are not that, nor does
our Patreon have that, but

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fairly maybe.
No, not of us making out, but

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yes, we are married.
But so I did find some

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relatability to that.
Not like we're very open and

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everybody obviously knows at
work.

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That would be weird if we were
married and told nobody.

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Yeah, no, I right.
Imagine we're really trying to

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pull the wool over their eyes,
and then it's like the same home

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address.
So back to these two lovely

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Lovebird teachers I loved.
I loved getting a little check

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in with them and I liked that
there was not to jump the gun,

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but there was some comfort still
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Charlie knows that that's the
safe space, so I liked that

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still being there.
I do I, I love that.

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And I also love though there
was, there was a moment in this

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that actually, it was so quick,
but it actually made me tear up.

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So towards the end of the
season, they're basically saying

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to Charlie, we think it would be
really great if you applied to

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be Head Boy next year.
And Miss Farook says something

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like, I think that the younger
kids could look up to Someone

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Like You.
And we get a flash of Mr. Farook

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as a little boy.
And so that made me really tear

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up because I often find myself
feeling inspired by the younger

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generation.
And you know, I'm going to be 40

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next year.
So I didn't really come out

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fully like socially living my
truth until I got to college

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till I was 18 years old.
But it wasn't too far after that

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that kids really felt
comfortable coming out in high

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school and now even younger than
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So I'm, I, I get that for with
Mr. Farooq Being able to reflect

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on your own life and experiences
through the younger generation

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and seeing how far we've come
and being proud at how proud

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they could be at such a young
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Yeah.
And then also being an example

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for the newer generation coming
in, which I liked that they did

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point out because it was like
when you, if you're not watching

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the screen, when that
interaction happens, you think

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that it's like, oh, OK, about
like the younger people that are

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coming in, which is true.
But then when you see that flash

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of him, it's like, oh, it's also
for his self that wasn't able to

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do that.
Exactly because I could have

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used you when I was a little
one.

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Right.
And there's, so there's at least

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I think 3 different times where
they do that with the characters

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and they show them young and I'm
like, you need to stop making me

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almost cry.
Those give me the chills, right?

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Because, you know, being someone
who has gone to therapy and has

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done yoga certification, you
know, you explore the little

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child that still lives within
you.

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And that little child still has
so many wounds and, and has

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shaped us and who we've become
as adults.

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And so when they show those
little kids, not only is it cute

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because they found little actors
that look so much like them, but

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it's, it's really driving that
home of we all just still have

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this little version inside of us
that needs comforting and love.

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And so that's that moment,
right?

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Yeah, it is that moment.
It's like the healing moment.

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They and they do it so well.
Like the editing with it.

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It's just like, it's a flash.
Yeah, and it's like.

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Oh fuck, it's like we whenever
that happens, Noah and I do like

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an an audible like because it's
just too freaking sweet and too

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touching.
Literally stopping my heart.

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All right, on to our next.
Yes.

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So this is Imogen and Sahar.
So after a drunk kiss at a

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party, they have a falling out
over what it means to each of

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them.
Sahar comes out as bisexual,

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while Imogen doesn't know who
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her own identity.
Just when I thought Heart

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Stopper covered all of the bases
of somebody's identity,

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relationships with her
relationships and other genders

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and identities, they throw this
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You know, there was something
that happened in Season 2 where

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I was like, OK, Imogen said.
She was an ally, fantastic in

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the first season, and she's
proving that to be true.

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Then Sahar comes in and it's
like, oh, it's this.

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Yeah, she sees Sahar on stage
and like get this like dreamy

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doe eyed look on her face.
And it's like, wait, what is

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going to happen?
So when this kiss happens, while

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I got excited, I was like, wait,
but what does that mean?

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And I'm so glad that this show
went into that because I think

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it is very, very, very important
for this kind of thing to happen

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because there are moments of
exploring, which I think should

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be 100% encouraged with both
consenting parties and seeing

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what that meant for both of
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I I believe there was a moment
where when they finally talk

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about it because they have some
friction after it because when

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everybody sees them kissing,
Imogen acts like the girl at the

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party so drunk, Right.
And it's different for Sahar,

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which was kind of heartbreaking
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But then I was like, oh, wait, I
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wants to do that.
Yeah.

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But the but it shouldn't come at
the detriment of one of the

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people involved.
The exactly the exploration.

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Exactly.
So when they finally talk about

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it, I liked that they got to the
conclusion of Sahar.

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Being like you made me realize
things about myself, like I am

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bisexual.
And the same thing happened with

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Imogen as well.
She's like, you made me realize

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things.
I don't know what they are yet,

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but you made me realize stuff.
And I love that they both were

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like, we probably shouldn't be a
couple, which is like, yes, OK,

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just be really good friends and.
You know what, I want to just

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put this out there now because I
felt this throughout the entire

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kind of, well, actually
throughout the series so far.

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We had spoken about this and are
the coverage of our first season

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when Nick comes out to his
mother.

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And we said something along the
lines of this is the example

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conversation to have.
This is how you react when

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someone says when someone comes
out to you, this is how you're

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supportive to them.
And so I think one of the other

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things that Alice does so well
in this is that she shows really

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healthy, clear communication
within all the characters.

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And also realistic.
Right.

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And so the fact that these two,
what, 1516 year olds can look at

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each other and be like, this is
how I'm openly honestly feeling.

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It's a really wonderful thing to
see, you know, especially put

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out on the screen for other kids
to see if just have a

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conversation.
Don't keep your hurt feelings

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closed because you'll just end
up hurting yourself even more.

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Talk to the person about it.
And so this is just one of the

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instances in this season where
healthy communication is put at

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the center of a relationship.
And I like that the Allison

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team, they do that and make
sure, OK, let me let me try to

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like frame this thought that
makes sense to everybody.

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That's not me is they could very
easily do the fantasy or the

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realistic version, like super
realistic where it's like they

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don't talk about it, right?
And then like after months pass,

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they're like, oh, we're friends
again.

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We're not going to talk about
it.

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What I love about this is that
they make sure it's a priority

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to address it and also be like,
this might be some real things

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that somebody says in this
conversation, but here's the

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healthy way to maybe resolve
this or to get past whatever's

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happening, Which I think is so
important because it's one thing

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to be like, you know, queer
people get bullied, queer people

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have a time with blah, blah,
blah.

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It's like we know we, we
experience it.

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That's another thing to also in
the lens of this, educate people

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that might have those questions
about their son, their relative,

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their sibling, whatever that's
going through these things.

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Does that make sense?
Yeah.

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Like it's good to have this
thing where it shows the healthy

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side and that it it will be OK.
Yes, yeah, I, I well, exactly.

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And I think that there are so
many different types of

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relationships in this show that
you can you can learn from any

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of the conversations that are
happening.

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Any.
Any of them.

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Just even just about
communication in general, But I

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I also just wanted to touch on
Imogen.

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Another conversation has an
interesting conversation with

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Nick.
And so she says things along the

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lines of I don't know if I ever
really liked you because that's

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what was always expected of me.
I was the popular girl.

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I needed to have a boyfriend.
She's like, but I don't really

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think I did.
And therefore, I don't really

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know who I am when it comes to
love.

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And so I thought that was really
interesting too, of this

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character just being like I was,
I, I, I had myself so placed in

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a very specific box for a very
long time.

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And now I'm not so sure that
that's actually the box I should

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exist in or even just in this
way of existing in it.

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So I thought that was another
really interesting talk about

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identity and what's expected of
you versus who you really are.

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I think it, I think she very
much at least right now is the

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questioning, right.
And obviously they're all still

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kids and they're figuring it
out.

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They're not going to figure
themselves out for a long time.

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I don't think I've figured
myself out yet, which is fine.

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I think people evolve.
But I, I think that is really

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important because there are
there is so many people,

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straight or not, where you're
expected to do certain things,

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you're expected to do the
sports, you're expected to get

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whatever grades you're expected
to because you're of a certain

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status, go out with somebody of
a certain status.

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So I think that there's a lot of
themes of pressure and that

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becoming overwhelming for our
our gang here.

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And it shows itself in different
ways.

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And I think for her, she's
finally able to, when she

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finally kissed Sahar, it was one
of those things of like, Oh,

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people caught me like, Oh, that
was a joke.

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But wait, what does that say?
Like I feel different after

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that.
Does that mean I like it or this

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was just something that I should
explore?

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Or what is it?
Or maybe nobody.

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And there's and there's no
answer at this point in time for

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Imogen, which again is fine as
as viewers, we don't need the,

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well, what are you season 4
exactly?

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We have more time.
I will say a small critique I

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have is that I wish that we
would get to know Sahar more.

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I do too.
She's great, a guitar and

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singing.
But that's about all we know,

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right?
And so she was kind of like in

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in this season, it felt like she
was very much a footnote on

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Imogen's journey and not
necessarily they're exploring

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her own right.
Or at least we didn't get to see

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it.
Maybe next season, you know, and

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I I think I do agree.
I feel like she was really the

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only one of the gang that was
kind of like she's here.

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But like in the view with
Imogen, which granted, Imogen

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has been here longer.
I don't think that warrants like

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sidestepping it, but I think
we'll get more.

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I hope so.
I hope so.

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On to the next.
One we've.

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Got quite a few.
So up next we have Tara and

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Darcy.
So after being kicked out by

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their mother, Darcy has been
living with Tara's family.

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But Tara feels that the new
living arrangement is adding to

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her stress of already feeling
overwhelmed by school and life.

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Darcy then moves in with their
grandmother and finds confidence

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in their non binary identity.
So much to unpack with both of

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them, but I feel like as we're
like talking about these couples

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and leading up to Nick and
Charlie, we're kind of hitting

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on a lot of things that that all
of the couples go through or

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have gone through.
So it makes it easier to like

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get to the meat of their
relationship.

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I love them.
I love their relationship.

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I think it's really unique in a
in in a light that I haven't

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really seen and TV and stuff
like that, especially for at

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least in the beginning, a
lesbian couple.

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Well, I think that they are
still lesbians even though ones

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but not binary.
I didn't.

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Again, we're not experts in this
field.

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If we say anything that's like
not correct, please let us know

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in the comments.
We are very much open to being

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corrected.
Just because we are part of the

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community does not know mean in
any way, shape or form that we

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are fully educated on every
single person that exists in it.

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Clearly.
Yeah.

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So like, they were lesbians in
the beginning of the season.

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Not anymore.
Yes.

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But I think that it not often do
we get a healthy lesbian couple,

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you know, which was what I was
trying to say.

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So just say that.
But, man, you know, I I got to

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be like, there was a moment
where Darcy goes into Tara's

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room when they're living
together and she's just kind of

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like throwing everything around.
Oh, I felt.

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I felt Tara and that and that
instance because it was like,

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she's stressed as it is to be
perfect and go to the perfect

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school and get all the perfect
grades.

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And then it's like the person
that you love is like there and

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like not respecting your space.
And so, like, granted, she

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didn't get mad at her, but you
could tell like, that was the

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moment where she was like, I
think it's healthy for us to not

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be here yet.
Yes.

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And you know, I think it's, it's
an interesting thing when

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someone moves in and shares your
space with you, right.

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And so you lived one way for so
long and now you're sharing a

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space with someone else.
And so I understand they're

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being growing pains in that, but
this is literally throwing trash

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on the floor.
So I was not being very

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forgiving towards Darcy because
that just threw me for a loop.

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Noah and I, we're very neat
people, you know, just

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everything has its little place
in our home.

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And so that's where those things
go.

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So trash does not go on the
floor.

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No.
OK.

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Especially in the room.
Come on, just.

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Emptying out your wallet, purse,
or whatever it was everywhere.

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Bandy pack I don't think so
yeah.

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I it is kind of funny though,
because you know in in their

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journey and their relationship
Tara's the first one to say I

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love you.
Tara is really putting herself

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out there for Darcy.
And then, you know, she kind of

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finally gets all of Darcy and
then she's like, well, that's

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too that.
OK, now it's too much, you know,

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which is understandable.
I'm just it, it's just so funny.

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It's like you kind of wish for
this thing and then it all comes

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at you at once and it's
sometimes it's a little too much

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to handle.
Well, I think, you know, with, I

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think with her, with Tara's
journey in this season in

450
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:39,880
particular, is she really needs
to make decisions that are going

451
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,200
to change her life.
She has those expectations for

452
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,920
her mother, which we saw of her
like being like, you're going to

453
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,920
get into the best schools,
you're going to be amazing and

454
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,640
everything.
And it's like, well, granted she

455
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,080
is that is so much pressure.
I almost feel like a lot of

456
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,520
times that's worse than just
letting them come to you and

457
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,920
just praising them when they do
a good job instead of being

458
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,120
like, you're automatically going
to be good at it.

459
00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:01,560
And it's like, well, that's
pressure.

460
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,480
Well, here are all the
expectations I have for you and

461
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,160
you have to meet them.
And so whenever we see that

462
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,040
scene of they're at Charlie's
birthday at his house and they

463
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,320
made those tents outside, which
oh, so much fun.

464
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,760
Did you ever do that when you
were a kid?

465
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:21,920
No, not tents outside, but when
one time there was a giant

466
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,280
blackout on the East Coast and
all of my friends came over and

467
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,320
because no air conditioners or
anything worked, it was during

468
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,760
the summer we all slept outside.
Well, that's.

469
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,320
Nice.
There were no tents, we just had

470
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,400
blankets and stuff.
We would do that like we would

471
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,720
have like the trampoline and we
would put tent like obviously

472
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,960
sheets like over the trampoline
to where like you had to like go

473
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,320
under it.
So fun.

474
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,760
It was really fun.
So I very much like that.

475
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,440
I was like, yeah, I would have
done that until high school,

476
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,040
too.
But that's when she really gets

477
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,160
her panic attack because all of
it's coming at her.

478
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,640
And it was just one more thing
to add on top of, like the

479
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,760
expectations and the choices
that she has to make, which

480
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,320
we'll get into it.
But I love that because Charlie

481
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,840
was equipped with tools to help
himself.

482
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,440
He was able to help somebody
else.

483
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,040
So important.
So, so important.

484
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,920
But also on the other side,
Darcy's journey, love.

485
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,440
Yeah, she was able to get away
from her abusive, toxic

486
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,280
household.
She got to be with Tara for a

487
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,040
little bit.
And thank God her mother was

488
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:25,520
accepting of that and letting
her be there and then going with

489
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,400
her grandmother, which she just
encouraged her.

490
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,240
Yes, her grandmother was so
delightful.

491
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,720
Yeah, encouraged them because
they came out was non binary,

492
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,440
which at least they were like, I
think this feels right.

493
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,640
Like this is where I want to be.
And I love that they were like,

494
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,600
I can't remember who they were
talking to, but they said

495
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,160
something of like, it doesn't
have to be a big deal.

496
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,480
Like just tell people you don't
have to come out again, right,

497
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:50,480
Right.
You know.

498
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:55,640
And I and I also liked the the
the kind of increments that had

499
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,320
happened in it was really them
figuring things out in real time

500
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,640
of like, I think I want to try
they them pronouns.

501
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,760
All right.
I think I want to try cutting my

502
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,720
hair a little differently.
I think I want to wear these

503
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,280
this the clothing that my mother
was so against me wearing, you

504
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,320
know, and not to say that a non
binary person has to have a

505
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,440
mullet and wear suspenders, but
it was just all a journey of

506
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:24,360
Darcy feeling comfortable in
their journey of self acceptance

507
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,520
and taking those little steps to
just making them feel more

508
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,800
comfortable as who they are.
And it was really nice to see

509
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,920
too, because we saw in the
second season, I believe, when

510
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,680
we got to see Darcy's home life
and we saw that what it that was

511
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,480
the one where they had the
dance, right?

512
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,320
And they wanted to wear like the
tux, but that was like one of

513
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,560
the tipping points for their
mother.

514
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,320
So it was really nice to see
that when they were at their

515
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,040
grandmother's and they put on
stuff that would typically be

516
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,440
for men or not feminine.
And the grandmother was like,

517
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,600
yes, yes.
Like she was hyping her up.

518
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,000
It's like that is just, that's
beautiful to see.

519
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,000
It's just those tiny small
moments that mean everything.

520
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,240
And also I love their hair.
Yeah, so cool.

521
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,720
Loved it.
So cool.

522
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,720
Because I know I've seen it in
press and I'm like, oh, their

523
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,600
hair is so cool.
And I just thought that was just

524
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,280
them outside of the character.
And I know that is the character

525
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:20,960
now.
They're really.

526
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,640
Bringing themselves into this
character, which is really cool

527
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,200
to see.
Yeah, so.

528
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,840
We love our little lesbian.
Couple I know they're just

529
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,640
they're, they're just always
just like being very supportive

530
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,280
of everyone and working through
their own drama, you know,

531
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,360
really with the without a lot of
outside interference.

532
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,280
And I do I I want to say before
we move away from them, I

533
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,640
absolutely loved that.
We got another Tara and Nick

534
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,440
conversation.
Me too.

535
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,800
I love that it's showing that
there's relationships within the

536
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,440
friend group that aren't the
couples, right?

537
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,240
And, and last season she helped
Nick a lot and vice versa.

538
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,040
And in this season, same thing.
Oh, it just makes me very happy.

539
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,120
Yeah.
And you know, just to kind of

540
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,480
step off of that, one of the
things that I really enjoy is

541
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,360
that there's never any judgement
either towards the person that's

542
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,840
sharing their issue or towards
their significant other that the

543
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,720
issue is about right.
The the person is always just

544
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,320
like sort of actively listening,
asking questions that are a

545
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,760
little thought provoking and
being like, OK, well, you'll

546
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,040
figure it out.
You know, and we, and so it's

547
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,080
never like, I can't believe
they're doing this or, you know,

548
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,200
as most sort of teenage
conversations tend to go.

549
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,000
I think the only time that they
ever tip that way is I can't

550
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,240
remember exact instances so
forgive me.

551
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,280
I just know it's happened in
almost every season and that's

552
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,600
just because they're like a kid
friend group is like when

553
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,600
they're like going to do
something or going to say

554
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,680
something, but they've said it
to somebody else and not

555
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,280
somebody like they're more
friend friend like how I

556
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,680
believe.
I think that happened a lot in

557
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,760
the first season of like kind of
Charlie not wanting to tell him

558
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,040
everything.
So like that happens a little

559
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,400
bit, but I'm glad they got away
from that because I think it

560
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,680
happened more in the first and
2nd and this one it was just

561
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,240
more of like, no, the couples
are dealing with their stuff and

562
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,040
they're all collectively a mess.
A. 100% And I mean, that is what

563
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,440
it is to be 16 and 17 years old.
I mean, obviously.

564
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,160
But yeah, I agree it definitely
happened in the first season,

565
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,920
especially with Tao not really
trusting Nick in the beginning.

566
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,640
So but they're past that now.
They're they're, they're dealing

567
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,640
with their own inner problems,
not with all the outside issues

568
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,000
of being children.
Speaking of not being a problem

569
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,920
at all.
I know, just a little baby.

570
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,000
So Isaac comes out to Charlie
1st and then the rest of the

571
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,320
group of friends.
As asexual and a romantic, he

572
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,640
often feels like the third wheel
to all of their intense

573
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:53,080
relationships.
I really enjoyed that they went

574
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,760
more into the storyline and I
actually didn't realize that he

575
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,160
had never come out as asexual
and a romantic.

576
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:07,120
Agreed, and also because of my
educating myself in the second

577
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,480
season, I for the longest time
assumed aromantic and asexual

578
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,080
were the same thing.
They're not, and it's good to

579
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,000
again have a reminder of both of
these things being different.

580
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,000
I love Isaac.
I just, you know, I, I love that

581
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:28,840
they did show that hey, you're
aromantic and asexual friends

582
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,760
and stuff might be feeling this
way, especially when your friend

583
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,080
group is consistent of a lot of
different.

584
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,360
Everyone's pairing off
basically, don't.

585
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,200
Forget about your other friends.
You know, it's so messed up that

586
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,000
just in general, there's like,
so there's a societal pressure

587
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,520
to have of having it be a man
and a woman in a relationship,

588
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,320
right?
And then on.

589
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,480
So then you're in part of a
queer friend group and like,

590
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,720
there's, you know, two men
together, whatever.

591
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,600
And yet there's still that
pressure of having to be in a

592
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,640
pair.
And then you have to come out to

593
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,440
say, I don't want that.
It's like so messed up.

594
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,760
It's like everybody is always
just trying to dig into

595
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,160
everyone's personal life.
And it's almost unintentional.

596
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,360
It's like an involuntary thing,
right?

597
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,560
It's like we're all programmed
to ask who are you interested

598
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,680
in?
Who do you have a crush on?

599
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,640
And so Isaac is there going,
well, that's not for me.

600
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,080
And yet still has to come out to
people.

601
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,320
Yeah, I think funny enough, this
kind of conversation was

602
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,200
happening on a a stream the
other night and it was just

603
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,880
talking about like what, you
know, we've made we've the

604
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,480
society has made steps towards
accepting of LGBTQ people of

605
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,800
different identities and
everything.

606
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,680
But obviously we have a long way
to go.

607
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:57,080
But what like when is there the
thing, the conversation of like,

608
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,200
when do you have to come out and
when you do not, you know, like

609
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,280
when, when does that point
happen?

610
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,480
Because in this front group of
so many different types of

611
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,280
relationships and identities,
Isaac did have to come out,

612
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,080
which is an interesting thought
to think about because it's

613
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,760
like, oh, you would just think
that like they would know, but

614
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,400
you can't know something like
this, unfortunately.

615
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,560
But fortunately he was able to
tell them.

616
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,360
And I I kind of liked how he did
it because it was a very Isaac

617
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,880
way to do it.
It was, I think it was in front

618
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,320
of the jellyfish stuff when they
out there aquarium at the zoo.

619
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,080
He's like, maybe I don't like
either and I don't want anyone

620
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,040
just get back to the book.
Yeah.

621
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,400
And they're.
Like, got it.

622
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,320
Yeah, we got it.
Understandable.

623
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,520
Yeah, it's, it's really an
interesting thing of the

624
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,600
pressure and being forced and.
Who is who is the friend that

625
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,640
comes around when we initially
thought that they would become a

626
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,920
couple?
The friend that is that.

627
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,880
I think his name is James.
I think it's.

628
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:03,800
James too, I love that James, if
that's their name, is super OK

629
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,480
with it.
But also like still around, you

630
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,920
know, because I, I feel like he,
he did kind of get rejected last

631
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,440
season, but like, I think he's
still trying or at least trying

632
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,880
to be there in some capacity,
which I like because it, it can

633
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,920
show what does a relationship or
non relationship look like?

634
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,560
And, and there can there's still
love there between friends, you

635
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,239
know, and that's the thing with
Isaac.

636
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,120
I have to admit, I always trip
over Isaac's name because when

637
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,679
the first season of Heart
Stopper came out, Toby, who is

638
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:43,040
the actor that plays Isaac, did
an amazing vlog series and I

639
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,159
just got to know him as Toby.
And so now I'm like Isaac,

640
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:46,719
Isaac, Isaac.
So I'm always tripping over his

641
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,639
name.
I wish he did more of them, but

642
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,080
I'm guessing just because Heart
Supper became so popular, there

643
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,760
are like no cameras on set.
There's spoilers and stuff.

644
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,640
But anyway, I just love that
there is love and support,

645
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,440
right?
And that's what this entire

646
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,840
group is about.
And that no matter what your

647
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,840
identity is or what you're going
through, we are here for you,

648
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,680
you know?
And, and I think that Isaac

649
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,640
senses that from his friends
and, and that's really

650
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,480
important, even though they're
all third Wheeling him.

651
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,760
I tried to catch I'm sure
because this is early, there's

652
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,760
usually like eagle eyed fans
that will write down all of the

653
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,160
books that Isaac reads.
I know that they read

654
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,760
Genderqueer and one of my
favorite books, This is How You

655
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,080
Lose a Time War.
You have not read that wonderful

656
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,640
beautiful sci-fi novella.
Please read that book.

657
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,640
Oh, it's so beautiful.
But anyway, those were the two

658
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,360
that I remember.
Song of Achilles.

659
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,280
I feel like Song of Achilles is
in there as well.

660
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,400
OK, so we got three out of like
maybe 10.

661
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:54,200
Was he was he also reading one
of the fake books by the

662
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,560
Jonathan Bailey character Jack
Maddox at some point?

663
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:58,320
I.
Don't know, I think.

664
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,920
I think at one point he was also
reading Heartstopper.

665
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,080
So I don't know We'll see.
We'll keep and look out for the

666
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,480
list.
OK, we have three more couples

667
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,280
slash 3 more stories to talk
about.

668
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,280
Go ahead get get this next one
all.

669
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,280
Right, so Elle and Tao, the two
are mad for each other and

670
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,600
explore the physical side to
their relationship.

671
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,920
Tao is still coping with Elle
going to a school that is

672
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,720
further away, and Elle works
through her gender dysphoria and

673
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:31,920
new online stardom.
This was an interesting arc for

674
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,600
the two of them, mostly because
I didn't expect it, which I

675
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:41,160
should have, right?
I thought it was not only

676
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,960
important to see a trans person
in a relationship with somebody.

677
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,600
And what does that conversation
of, if they're still dealing

678
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,520
with the dysmorphia, what is
that conversation look like?

679
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,440
And then also, how does that
person support that person?

680
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,400
You know, when they're having
these conversations, Taos says

681
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,120
something along the lines to
Elle of, you know, I don't think

682
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,720
of you as trans.
And Elle is like, well, I am.

683
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,040
And so that's that's who I am.
And so like, I appreciate that

684
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,160
you're saying that, but you also
have to know that's, that's me.

685
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,920
Yeah, it it almost feels like I
don't want to say it's to this

686
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,800
extent, right?
But it's like, you know, when

687
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,160
people are like, you know, I
don't see color or something

688
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,760
like that.
Again, it's not as bad as saying

689
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,840
that, but it's, it feels like
that almost because it's like,

690
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:40,840
no, I don't want you to ignore
who I am because I'm not

691
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,880
ignoring it.
So it would be weird if you

692
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,920
ignored it, but I like that it
opened up that conversation.

693
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,320
Also, all of our, all of our
little, our, our little babies

694
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,760
here are like getting real
physical.

695
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,680
So it's like, what is this going
to look like?

696
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,320
Because that creates issues,
that creates closeness.

697
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,840
So I like that it did both of
them, both of it for this couple

698
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,920
here, it showed, it brought them
closer, but it also made them

699
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,200
look at themselves.
Yeah.

700
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,240
And I think one of the things
that I appreciated most though,

701
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:14,440
is throughout the entire season,
even though they're having these

702
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,440
deeper conversations, they're
still just psychotically in love

703
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,600
with each other.
They're perfect for each other.

704
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,080
Tau cannot get enough of L in
any sense of the word.

705
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,160
He just wants to be with her and
love her and support her

706
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,160
non-stop.
You know what I don't like tell

707
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,680
me what happened in this is that
multiple people multiple times

708
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,920
told how specifically or them
together.

709
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,440
It's like, oh, it's just the
honeymoon phase.

710
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,240
I can't stand it when people say
that.

711
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,360
That really bugs the shit out of
me.

712
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,640
And it's mostly because it's
like, let them fucking enjoy it

713
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,040
because like, yeah, maybe it
will go away, maybe it won't.

714
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,520
But also like, why are you like
being cynical about?

715
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,720
It yeah, I think a lot of times
when people say that it's

716
00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:58,800
because they're they're
reflecting on their own

717
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,760
relationship and they're not
feeling that same spark anymore,

718
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,640
so they have to let someone else
know that like it's going to go

719
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,080
away.
You know, look, being in a

720
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,120
relationship, both of us, but
also just being in being a human

721
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,480
and being through relationships
and stuff.

722
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Yes, relationships change.
But like, while the honeymoon

723
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,000
phase is fantastic and beautiful
and wonderful, the stuff after

724
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,000
it is just as good because
you're more comfortable and

725
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,200
you're so secure in that
relationship, you know what I

726
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,960
mean?
So it's like you evolve with

727
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:32,720
that.
Person.

728
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,240
And I do think, though, that the
stuff after the honeymoon phase

729
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,880
is the stuff I think that truly
shows you who the other person

730
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,360
is.
Because in the beginning you're

731
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,920
always trying to be like the top
performing of yourself.

732
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,200
Maybe might be a lie or an
exaggerated version of it, but.

733
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,000
Well, I even think though, that
in the beginning you're just

734
00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:00,960
both so infatuated with each
other in in like just wanting to

735
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,360
be around the person, wanting to
touch them constantly, wanting

736
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,680
to hear from them constantly.
And so you're kind of blind to a

737
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,680
lot of things and your own
behaviors, their behaviors.

738
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,840
And so once you get past that,
although it's not the we're

739
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,720
making out 24/7 thing anymore,
there's a lot more to explore.

740
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,480
And so you actually have to fit
together as a unit and I and you

741
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,520
have to communicate and you have
to talk to each other because in

742
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,280
the beginning it's like, hell
yeah, we both want to be

743
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,760
together all the time, right?
And.

744
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,760
Don't forget about your friends.
Well, there's also that, too.

745
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,280
So I just think that, yeah,
there's that weird thing.

746
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,280
People have said that to me.
I remember when I was in my

747
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,960
first first relationship, the
person my brother was dating at

748
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,280
the time, she said to me, she's
like, oh, you guys just stay on

749
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,360
the honeymoon stage, huh?
And I didn't know what that

750
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,560
meant.
And it was like she burst my

751
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,760
little relationship bubble.
Thanks.

752
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,600
So you know who you.
Are so full.

753
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,440
Like stop saying it.
Like, let's let's like stop

754
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,600
being mean to people unless like
you're having a conversation

755
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,280
with that person and they're
like, yeah, I think the

756
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,480
honeymoon phase is it's like,
OK, then have that conversation.

757
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,240
Don't be like the person is
literally like, Oh my God, I

758
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:08,520
love them so much.
We did blah, blah, blah.

759
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,800
It's like, that's the honeymoon
phase.

760
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,840
You'll get over it.
Yeah.

761
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:14,240
How dare you?
Yeah, anyway, sorry, that was a

762
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,480
side that really like bugged the
shit out of me.

763
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,040
Yeah, that that is annoying, but
I think it's something very real

764
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,240
that happened.
I also want to just touch on the

765
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:24,960
fact that, and and we see this
when we get to Charlie and Nick

766
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:30,600
as well, that there is no
pressure from each of from

767
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,520
either of the partners in having
to take the relationship to a

768
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,520
physical level that one of them
might not be comfortable with

769
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,520
yet.
So important.

770
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,520
There's never that thing of
like, oh come on, I got a boner

771
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,040
for.
Them like going and talking to

772
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,960
the other friends being like,
we, they won't do it.

773
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,840
They won't do it.
It's so gross.

774
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,040
I like that a lot.
And and, you know, and I think

775
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,800
it gave Tao some pause because
it did seem like he was really

776
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,360
more kind of feeling it out
literally of like how far he can

777
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,120
go.
And when he did go a little too

778
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,920
far for Elle, it kind of made
him like step back a little bit.

779
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,760
But then it it he had to step up
and be like, OK, we can talk

780
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,920
about it or not talk about it.
But he he made it more seem like

781
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:17,560
you want to talk about it.
No, OK, let's, let's just keep

782
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:18,960
going.
Like let's, you know, let's hang

783
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,280
out or whatever.
And then to on on to the

784
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,000
outside.
Because I think Tao had a very

785
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,800
big part in the season, but I
think L had more of a part.

786
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,000
Her getting recognition for her
work, amazing.

787
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:38,440
Her being used as a political
pawn and the grander transgender

788
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,040
political hellscape that is just
on everybody's forefront of

789
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,680
their mind was not fun to see.
Because I think I can't speak

790
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,960
for transgender people, but as a
queer person, constantly, always

791
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,760
in the news, always something
about LGBTQ community, why are

792
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,840
rights being given to these
certain types of people, blah

793
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,760
blah.
And it's just like, why does the

794
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,160
existence of me?
And I think Elle touched on it a

795
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,400
little bit of like, I'm, I'm
not.

796
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,200
Just because I exist doesn't
mean I'm political.

797
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,600
And I think there was a moment
with her with during the

798
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,920
interview when it started
becoming very apparent of why

799
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,960
that person wanted to interview
Elle of like, maybe she didn't

800
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,440
do any of the research.
You know what it like, you're

801
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,160
just not born with all of the
knowledge, all this political

802
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,280
knowledge, just because you're
queer.

803
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,240
Well, I also think that just in
the same way that we were saying

804
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,360
like just because we're part of
the community doesn't mean we're

805
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,280
fully educated, I also think
that just because you're part of

806
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,800
the community doesn't mean that
you have to be the mouthpiece

807
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,440
for the community.
Especially for people in your

808
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,200
community.
Right.

809
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,440
And, and just the in the sense
of this is a 16 year old girl

810
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,800
who was blindsided with this
interview, who just wanted to

811
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,800
come on here and talk about
their art and the fact that it

812
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,240
was doing so well online and
they're being used, you know,

813
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,200
And so I also think that there
has to be the respect given to

814
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:11,520
folks of listen, not all of us
are are comfortable with being

815
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,800
in the spotlight and having to
speak loudly about our rights.

816
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,080
I know for myself, I was bullied
for a very long time.

817
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,400
And so the thought of speaking
out sometimes scares me, you

818
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,320
know?
And so I could understand that.

819
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,520
A feeling that pressure of you
having to be the one to educate

820
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,080
everyone, of you having to be
the one to stick up for everyone

821
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,320
when sometimes you're just
trying to survive as yourself

822
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,840
and can't take on the emotional
burden of having to represent

823
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,360
every single other person in
your community as well.

824
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,680
And not, and being forced to do
that because I feel like, you

825
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,800
know, even just having a rainbow
flag in your bio on any social

826
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,240
media platform automatically
puts your target on you.

827
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,840
It's like, well, maybe I'm just
trying to signal that I'm a safe

828
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,280
space for people.
Yeah.

829
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,160
It's really frustrating.
But it was deeply upsetting

830
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,640
seeing that.
But also it was heartwarming to

831
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,880
see how much support she had
after that.

832
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:11,320
You know, Tao realizing, like,
oh, outside of our bubble isn't

833
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,160
as safe as it seems.
Her, her.

834
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,920
The reaction of her parents was
very encouraging to see because

835
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,040
it's like, fuck, yeah.
Like, support your kid, but

836
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,920
also, like, that sucks.
Like, how do you deal with it?

837
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,320
Like, how do you protect your
child?

838
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,360
And I think like there's a
thought of, oh, when she leaves,

839
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,920
she's going to have to deal with
this type of stuff.

840
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,960
So like, did we best prepare
her?

841
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,280
You know, I'm just like making,
I'm like making things up for

842
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,680
the parents.
But like, that's how I would

843
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:41,760
feel.
It's like, uh oh.

844
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,120
Like it almost like in that
sense, it's like I didn't do my

845
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,560
job as a parent to protect my
child in the situation.

846
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,960
Obviously, they're not to blame.
That's all on that radio studio,

847
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,040
of course.
Oh, man, It was just like it got

848
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,160
dark and it was just like, oh,
Brick.

849
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,320
But she's strong.
Yeah, She's an amazing group of

850
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,400
friends with her.
I loved that it got resolved, or

851
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,520
at least she's finding herself
again.

852
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:16,040
And Tao helped with that video,
showing the video of her prior

853
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,560
to her seeing herself
differently or how the world

854
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,760
might see her was just really,
it was beautiful.

855
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,200
It was beautiful, and I also
think it speaks a little bit to

856
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,600
Tao's journey just in general of
seeing him become a documentary

857
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,200
filmmaker maybe right he.
He's he's only going to make.

858
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:34,320
Oh, you're feeling sad?
Let me make a video for you.

859
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,720
I got it.
He knows that he can change the

860
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:38,640
world of his friends with one
video.

861
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,960
But I love it too, and I think I
thought that was a fun character

862
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,560
development for Tao.
We also got more of Tao's

863
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,600
dancing, which I think is
appreciated.

864
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,080
He did like, oh, I can't even do
it.

865
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,240
Yeah, that move a lot, yeah.
It's just classic Tao, a lot of

866
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:58,560
hips, yeah.
And I just think that, again,

867
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,800
it's about that communication,
it's about opening up to each

868
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,760
other, it's about trusting in
your partner.

869
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:04,880
As well.
Yeah.

870
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,120
And maturing in your
relationship because I, I very

871
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,760
much feel like he, he was
overcompensating a lot because

872
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,880
they weren't going to be around
each other all the time.

873
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,760
And I think as most of the
parties in this show and us as

874
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,280
people find out that like, it's
not the end of the world when

875
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,520
you can't be around that person.
If you're afforded the

876
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,680
opportunity to be around them,
fantastic.

877
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,520
If not, it's not the end of the
world.

878
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,720
You're fine.
And it's also The funny thing of

879
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:32,480
like, Elle was going to a
different school anyway.

880
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,880
It just wasn't the school next
door anymore, right?

881
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,280
It's like she's still in the
same town.

882
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,000
Like, yeah, you're.
Going to you still see her on

883
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,320
weekends and at night and stuff.
Chill out, you know.

884
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,040
He was just really smitten.
Yeah, he's just so head over

885
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,680
heels in love with her, he can't
help himself.

886
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,880
OK, so again, we're we're down
to our final two and we have a

887
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:58,400
surprise new relationship.
OK, introduce the second to

888
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,640
last.
All right, so this is Tori and

889
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:04,800
Michael.
So Tori's worry about her

890
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,760
brother's illness takes over
from takes over most of her

891
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,960
life.
However, once she sees he's

892
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,160
doing better, a surprise in the
form of Michael enters her life.

893
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,840
OK.
So Tori continues to be the

894
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,080
greatest older sister that has
ever existed in history.

895
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,120
I.
Most most of the time in the

896
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,200
season when I cried or got
really teary was because of her

897
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:35,920
and just seeing how much she has
not let herself be herself

898
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,080
because she worries so much for
her brother.

899
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,600
And she's an amazing older
sister.

900
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,200
And she was finally able to be
like, he's fine.

901
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,200
And then something amazing came
in the form of Michael, who

902
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:55,080
seems we haven't seen much of
him, is quirky, likes her a lot.

903
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,560
I like seeing her like this,
where she can be like, OK, this

904
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,800
is my boy, I'm going to go
upstairs and you guys have fun.

905
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:00,960
Yeah.
Like she needs that.

906
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,360
She does.
And I liked also, you know, we

907
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,160
all knew that Tori was awesome.
And so we get to see how much

908
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,240
she truly loves Charlie in this
season.

909
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,880
But I also liked getting to see
her, you know, during the one

910
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,920
episode where they're
celebrating Charlie's birthday

911
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,760
with the tent party of just kind
of being the cooler older

912
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,760
sister, right?
They're like, they go around

913
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,560
being like, OK, mom and dad are
gonna come on 30 minutes.

914
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,600
You got to clean this up.
You know, so she got to kind of

915
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,760
be a little more relaxed in her
role as the older sister.

916
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,520
And not a parent.
Right.

917
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,720
Or someone who needed to protect
him from the big bad, right?

918
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:38,880
You know, she was there to just
be like, come on, guys, we got

919
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,480
to get this together.
I loved how much we got to see

920
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,520
of her this season because I
think it was really important to

921
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,720
show, you know, because
Charlie's dad is supportive, but

922
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:53,200
again, he is somebody that's
supportive when the mother deems

923
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,320
it OK or appropriate.
Like he's very much the dad

924
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,200
doesn't want to cause trouble.
And so he's more supportive when

925
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,840
the mom isn't around, vice
versa.

926
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,160
So it was really good to see
that this support was always

927
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,080
going to be there for Charlie.
I'm excited to see more and to

928
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,720
see what that relationship looks
like.

929
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,160
But also going into our last
couple of Nick and Charlie, I

930
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,880
loved that we got to get more of
her particularly.

931
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:25,880
And these two in Episode 4 and
5I, those two episodes were

932
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,760
amazing, astounding.
So well done.

933
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,800
And it's a part of these kind of
three people, Dick, Charlie and

934
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,680
Tori.
But yeah, I mean, I love them.

935
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,160
I love Tori so much.
I also liked towards the end of

936
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,600
the season, you know, where her
and Michael sort of have this

937
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,760
falling out because he wants to
very much define their

938
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,240
relationship as boyfriend and
girlfriend.

939
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,040
And she's like, I don't really
need the label, I just want us

940
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,240
to be together.
But I liked the little bit of a

941
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:55,120
switch where Charlie got to kind
of be the sibling that was

942
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,400
solving her problem or helping
her with her issue, rather than

943
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,480
her always having to be the one
that helps him.

944
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,400
Because I don't think that's
happened yet.

945
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,680
No.
He's always come to her or she's

946
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,040
always asked him.
And so for them to be able to be

947
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,200
on that Ferris wheel and oh God,
I love that moment so much.

948
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,280
Coming from somebody that has
like siblings, you have siblings

949
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,080
too you don't have.
Siblings.

950
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,000
I just have one.
Yeah.

951
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,960
But like, you know those
moments, like it, just like you

952
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,040
know those moments and how
special and sometimes not

953
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,680
frequent they are.
Yeah, if you're lucky enough,

954
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,720
you have a sibling that you can
talk to like that.

955
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,280
Right.
So beautiful 10s across the

956
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,160
board.
Loved it.

957
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,400
Yes, and I just want to say I
just love getting to see Tori go

958
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,800
from the floating aura in the
background to literally being a

959
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,560
part of the story.
Yeah.

960
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,560
Oh, crying so much.
She's so good.

961
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,120
She's so amazing.
Jenny Walser is just.

962
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,600
I wish that she was involved in
more of the press for this show.

963
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,800
To be completely honest with
you, I don't see her in as many

964
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,680
of the YouTube videos and stuff.
Hopefully next season she is

965
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,720
because you know how sometimes
they don't want to like tell

966
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,480
people like what characters are
going to be like higher.

967
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,720
So hopefully also, hey, you want
to be on the podcast?

968
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,920
Come on, we love you.
Please.

969
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,800
All right, should we move on?
Our final couple.

970
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,600
All right, so Nick and Charlie
profess their love for each

971
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,200
other, but things become even
more serious when Nick voices

972
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,680
his concern for Charlie's eating
habits.

973
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,440
The pair explores wanting to
take their relationship to a

974
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,880
physical level and choices about
uni loom.

975
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,920
OK, this was really this was
actually really fun doing it

976
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,040
couple by couple because we
usually don't go this in depth,

977
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,960
but I since we're doing 1
episode for the whole season,

978
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:46,280
it's needed these two boys,
these two boys always being

979
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:51,000
silly, always just like just
talk to each other sometimes.

980
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:56,040
You know, I OK, I'm trying to
like form my thoughts here.

981
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:03,240
I loved that we got past that
doughy face between both of them

982
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,840
because granted they hadn't said
I love you yet.

983
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,400
We knew from the cliffhanger
from the last season it was

984
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,360
coming.
They did.

985
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,800
I know that this is the scene
from the the book.

986
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,040
They said I love you just how
they did in the book with Nick

987
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,480
outside or Charlie outside the
door and Nick in the shower.

988
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,800
I thought it was very ROM com
very like, of course they did

989
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,400
and he's walking away and he's
running after him.

990
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,480
But you need those moments,
right?

991
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,760
You need the the fun moments
before it gets.

992
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,320
Heavy yeah, there's always
there's a lot of people in the

993
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,400
rain moments and heart stopper
or or running after each other

994
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,120
in the rain or on the street or
something like that.

995
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,440
We got another one of those
here.

996
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:45,720
And so, you know, it's I think
it was interesting for Nick in

997
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:52,040
this season to be so in love
with someone, but also realizing

998
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,280
that they're not perfect in
every way or no, I don't think

999
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,000
that's the right phrasing that
getting to see that that love

1000
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,360
you have goes beyond holding
hands and having little sparks

1001
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,640
shoot out.
There's actually a lot that

1002
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,920
comes along with truly loving
someone.

1003
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,280
And I think also finding your
identity with that person and

1004
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,880
not necessarily like sexual or
whatever, but like, OK, you love

1005
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,520
this person, you're saying you
love this person.

1006
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,880
You want to be that person's
partner in whatever form that

1007
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,800
takes.
They are going through this

1008
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,000
thing or they have this thing
that they need to deal with.

1009
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,040
Where, how are you going to deal
with that?

1010
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,040
And I loved, I loved, loved,
loved.

1011
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:37,240
Who's the aunt's name?
Aunt Diane, I believe stand out

1012
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:40,080
character for me.
She was only in really one scene

1013
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,440
fully.
Captain Britain.

1014
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,080
Captain Britain, Peggy.
Carter.

1015
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,280
Peggy Carter, Is it hard
stopper?

1016
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,320
Yes, I think it was so
important.

1017
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,080
We'll get into the, the, the
Charlie stuff, but I think Nick,

1018
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,560
learning how you support
somebody without literally being

1019
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,800
a people pleaser is really
important for a lot of people.

1020
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:04,360
And in a relationship with
somebody that is going through

1021
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,280
a, an eating disorder, that
isn't something that you can

1022
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,360
readily see.
I think I learned some things of

1023
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,800
like, oh, that would be a good
way to support somebody and not

1024
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,520
always bringing up the problem,
right?

1025
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:24,440
I so in the novella that Alice
Osman wrote this winter, that

1026
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,840
novella is is all of episode 5
basically.

1027
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,640
And in the novella, something is
set along the lines of where

1028
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:36,120
Charlie is just looking for
someone who's willing to find

1029
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,880
the middle ground in their
support in the sense of don't

1030
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,080
completely ignore that I'm going
through something and don't come

1031
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,240
out and be like you eating
anything.

1032
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:49,480
What are you doing?
It's just be here for me.

1033
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,120
Yeah, Mama Spring.
Yeah, awful.

1034
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,880
And, and and.
She's a complicated character.

1035
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,520
She is.
It's one of those things where

1036
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,480
it's like she's doing the wrong
thing and she becomes the pseudo

1037
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,080
villain of the season.
But also you can't help but feel

1038
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,200
for her because she's not
getting the support that Nick is

1039
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,680
getting from somebody of like,
this is how you should support

1040
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,040
somebody going through this.
She's just, yeah, why aren't you

1041
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,360
eating?
We have to be perfect.

1042
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,840
And, and I think that's just the
type of person she is prior to

1043
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,840
even realizing that he's sick
of, you know, concentrate on

1044
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,200
this.
You can't see Nick that often.

1045
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,800
And so she just makes things
worse.

1046
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,720
I think she also like actively
just doesn't want to acknowledge

1047
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:34,080
it.
Like coming from a household

1048
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:40,760
where, I mean, still to this day
of I love you, but I don't

1049
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,280
accept whatever.
It gave me very much that vibes

1050
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,280
where it's like, yeah, I love
you because you're like my kid,

1051
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,960
but like, I don't accept who you
are or what's going on with you,

1052
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,760
so I'm just going to pretend
that everything is fine.

1053
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,920
You know what I mean?
That like awful thing that

1054
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,000
religious people, well, not just
religious people, but it's like

1055
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,280
love, hate the sin, not the.
Love the Sinner, hate the sin.

1056
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,160
Yeah, whatever.
Yeah, yeah.

1057
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,000
Yeah, yeah, that mentality that
that's the the feeling I got

1058
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,520
from her.
Maybe not like that super

1059
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,520
intense because towards the end
it does seem like she came

1060
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,760
around a little bit or at least
is more willing to not judge him

1061
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,320
completely, which is fantastic.
We love that for old Charlie

1062
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:23,960
Spring growth.
Yeah, growth.

1063
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,480
But I think they handled, not
handled, but portrayed what he

1064
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,040
was going through really, really
well.

1065
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,880
Episode 4, that's really when
he's like getting the treatment

1066
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,000
and everything.
And I love that you get it from

1067
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,960
both perspectives because I
think that is so important.

1068
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,760
There was a moment where it's
Nick's perspective, I believe

1069
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,000
1st, and he's writing it.
It's like going through the

1070
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,200
months and everything and he's
like, this really helped him.

1071
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,560
He's doing amazing and blah,
blah, blah.

1072
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,920
But then you get to Charlie's
point of view and he's not at

1073
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,800
the point that Nick is saying
he's at.

1074
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:01,640
And I think that is really
important and kind of like, Oh

1075
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,240
yeah, like you could assume that
or they could be saying that,

1076
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:06,800
but it's not the case.
Yeah.

1077
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,800
And I also think they did a
really great job of illustrating

1078
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:16,200
the the ups and downs that come
with sort of any type of

1079
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,640
recovery, you know, and I think
that illustrating the fact that

1080
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,960
even in the beginning, right,
finally Nick and Charlie having

1081
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,200
the conversation and then
finally Charlie telling his

1082
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,920
parents, they took him to like a
General practitioner, but then

1083
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,440
to go to a specialist.
It was like months away, you

1084
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,600
know, and a lot of money.
And then there was an emergency,

1085
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,960
you know, and so they had to put
him into a, a treatment, a place

1086
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,080
to get treatment.
But even once he, he leaves the

1087
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,120
treatment center, he has
relapses because, you know,

1088
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,040
it's, it's an eating disorder
compounded with self harm and so

1089
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,320
and OCD and OCD And so there's
just so much that goes into it.

1090
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,600
It's not like you, you go to the
place, you come back, you're

1091
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,920
perfect.
You know, it's so important that

1092
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,200
they showed that.
And I, and I think with any,

1093
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:08,440
with anything, there's that
outside perspective of, you

1094
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,600
know, especially in this case,
just eat something.

1095
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:12,960
What's wrong?
Just eat something.

1096
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,840
But it, it's not, you know what
I mean?

1097
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,200
There's just so much that
Charlie is dealing with.

1098
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,200
And so it's you're not only
you're trying, he's trying to

1099
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,080
balance his own healing, but
he's also trying to balance the

1100
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,760
the thoughts of others around
him.

1101
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,840
And also like trying to progress
his relationship with somebody

1102
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,000
that he is head over and heals
love with.

1103
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,360
So it was, it was a very like it
was a heavy season in that there

1104
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:41,720
was so much emotion and growth
and like hurt and love that went

1105
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,720
into the season that I really
wasn't expecting.

1106
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,960
I didn't expect it to get as
serious as it did, but I like

1107
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:55,000
that it did because it's not all
again, sparks and great needle

1108
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,760
drops and everything, which
again though the show does real

1109
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,600
well.
It gets that music done down so

1110
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,000
well.
It gets those little the little

1111
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,200
animations.
Anyway.

1112
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:07,800
Yeah, they were just like, I
mean.

1113
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:09,880
What are we going to say?
I think The thing is, though, is

1114
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:14,280
that this season brings all of
the pastel charm of the first

1115
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:18,480
two seasons, but then grounds it
in in very real storylines of

1116
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:19,840
what these folks are going
through.

1117
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:24,080
And I think that if you've also
grown with the season, that is a

1118
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,680
change that I don't want to say
it was needed, but I think is

1119
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,440
something that was welcomed by
the viewers.

1120
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:36,880
And I think that there was still
that joy and that love and that

1121
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,520
great queer community and chosen
family.

1122
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,800
But I think within that, these
are still people who are dealing

1123
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,800
with things, some outside of of
their identities and others

1124
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,360
within their identities.
And I think that all of life's

1125
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,560
journey is this.
Yeah.

1126
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,680
You know, And I think that, man,
when you're 16 and come out of

1127
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,480
the closet, that shit is scary.
And then you're dealing with

1128
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,240
school pressure and front
pressure and everything else on

1129
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,600
top of it.
So life is freaking complicated.

1130
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,160
Also, Nick is a little older and
he's on his way out of high

1131
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,720
school.
So it's like, what does that

1132
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,920
look like?
Anything else with Nick and

1133
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,400
Charlie?
I feel like we, we waited so

1134
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:20,160
long to get to them and it was
just like, I mean, I oh, the

1135
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,960
physical side, I feel like this
has been building and building

1136
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,560
and building, right?
It's like, OK, they're together

1137
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,400
winner like, which is weird,
right?

1138
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,440
It's like they're kids like, but
also they're kids.

1139
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:35,960
We've all been there.
I really appreciated that when

1140
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,200
they do finally, like, get
intimate with each other, or at

1141
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,320
least completely, like, pants
are gone, right?

1142
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:48,400
That I think Charlie asks Nick
is like, does it count as sex if

1143
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,320
it was just touching or
something like that?

1144
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,560
And I like that Nick was like,
yeah, it does.

1145
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,080
It does.
It 100% does.

1146
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,880
Especially I feel like as queer
couples, you got so many things

1147
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,920
that you can do.
Like, you know, like anything

1148
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,760
can be considered.
I yeah, I, it's funny because I

1149
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,280
was, I, I think what hard supper
also makes me do, I don't know

1150
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,720
if it does this for you, but it
makes me reflect on my early

1151
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,880
relationships, especially my
first one.

1152
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,800
And I was like, you know,
because the realization that

1153
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,680
over three seasons is like,
we've just gone to over a year

1154
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,000
of them being together, right?
So although it's been years for

1155
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,120
us in making this production in
their relationship, it's only

1156
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,840
been a year.
So I was thinking like, oh gosh,

1157
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,760
how long was I in my first
relationship before I lost my

1158
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,720
virginity?
You know, it was definitely a

1159
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,880
lot less you.
Lost your virginity in every new

1160
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,480
relationship?
Well, just, well, listen, you

1161
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,440
don't have to be in a
relationship to lose your

1162
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,400
virginity.
No, it just so happened that

1163
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,520
mine were the same.
I'm I'm teasing you because the

1164
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,520
way you said it was like each
time I was in a relationship, I

1165
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,800
lost my virginity.
Well, you know I am an Angel,

1166
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:03,680
so.
Anyway, yeah, I, I really liked

1167
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,760
that they had that open
conversation with it and then

1168
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,600
like they talked about it and
they were going further from

1169
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,440
that.
And there's also nothing like

1170
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,920
having your your girlfriends
around you and then making it by

1171
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,760
condoms and Lube.
I mean, listen, that was a very

1172
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,320
grown up journey that he went on
with Tara and Imogen, right?

1173
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,560
Is they went to go explore
different universities.

1174
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,280
Elle was there too.
Oh, that's right, Elle was there

1175
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,800
too.
And on that journey, condoms and

1176
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:35,160
Lube, which I think, you know,
to be completely honest, as a

1177
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:38,320
teenager I was not embracing
Lube, which I think that's a

1178
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:43,880
very important lesson.
Because again, they need kids,

1179
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,920
need proper sex education, and I
loved it in the show.

1180
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,280
They called it out because they
weren't, they didn't learn

1181
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,240
anything.
Yes, it is important to know how

1182
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,560
condoms work.
Of course go further than that.

1183
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,440
Talk to them about condoms.
Do not prevent everything.

1184
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,120
You should use Lube even when
using a condom like.

1185
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:08,760
Yeah, it just like I was like,
yeah, as teenagers, you should

1186
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,080
know that Lube is a thing.
Like there's something about, I

1187
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,280
feel like especially with
straight people, I feel like

1188
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,920
this is a thing where when Lube
is brought up or like in the

1189
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:24,480
conversation of sex, it makes it
dirtier or less likely to be

1190
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,280
talked about because like that's
like, that means like you're

1191
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,040
actually going to have sex.
I don't know.

1192
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:34,200
It's like so bizarre.
I feel like any conversation or

1193
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,720
I've heard conversations or
where it's like, oh, they did it

1194
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,480
or whatever and it's like
something with Lube comes up and

1195
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,800
then it's like, Oh no, no, no,
like a little this got weird.

1196
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,080
It's like Lube made it weird.
I don't know.

1197
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,640
I don't know much about straight
sex so.

1198
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:54,760
I just, I do.
People are weird.

1199
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,480
I don't know, like and
especially like in a school

1200
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,560
setting, I feel like it's like
once you start bringing things

1201
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:05,880
that just aren't the penis, the
vagina in a condom, then it's

1202
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,200
like too much.
True.

1203
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:13,240
I mean, I, I enjoy like if you
go to like a local LGBT center,

1204
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,840
like not only sometimes will
they have the bowl of condoms,

1205
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,400
but they'll also have a bowl of
little Lube packets, which is

1206
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,080
like beautiful.
Also like how to douche?

1207
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,160
Yes people need to learn that.
Do not flood yourself or the

1208
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,400
love of God.
Dear Lord, be careful.

1209
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,000
We'll just make a sex education
not done by sex experts.

1210
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,520
Exactly.
So that's the new spin off.

1211
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,120
I don't know if that's going to
be helpful at all.

1212
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,560
It's just going to be me going
so wait, what is what happens in

1213
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,200
straight sex and and then being
like lube's important.

1214
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,920
All right, OK, we're wrapping
this up, right?

1215
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,320
Oh.
Sorry, we're we're wrapping it

1216
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:48,440
up on Lube.
God, yeah.

1217
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,760
Well, not yet.
There are things some things

1218
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,960
that I feel like me as a Heart
Supper fan and fan of this

1219
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,560
podcast, I'm going to assume
that people would be upset if we

1220
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,520
don't mention Halloween,
Halloween costumes.

1221
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,760
We have to talk about the
Halloween costumes for a second

1222
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,280
kick.
Connor, America.

1223
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:12,480
Come on, Captain America, great.
They're like, you know, I, I

1224
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,760
watched, I saw some scenes from
season 1.

1225
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,560
He looks so different.
Oh yeah.

1226
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,440
Now they're growing up.
Yes, and of course he's working

1227
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,720
out like a madman because he's
like a star.

1228
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,760
So like him in that Captain
America suit.

1229
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,680
You're like, good for you, kick
Hunter.

1230
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:29,320
Right.
Yeah.

1231
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,680
And I also love that he did it
because he knows that Charlie

1232
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,240
doesn't like Marvel, Right?
Is that the thing?

1233
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,480
Like that's the joke is like,
he's not into Marvel.

1234
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,440
And he's like, well, I'm going
to wear this now because you're

1235
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,920
not here.
And we all know our Little Joe

1236
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,320
Locke is starring in a Marvel
series right now.

1237
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,240
But I'm Cha.
Yeah, they're really hitting us

1238
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,640
with the jokes.
This season I just, I love the

1239
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,440
Halloween episode.
I love it when shows like this,

1240
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,600
when we love the cast so much,
does like holiday stuff.

1241
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,120
I don't know, it's just like
it's.

1242
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,040
Fun.
Yeah.

1243
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,240
And like, those four and five
were very heavy on holidays, and

1244
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,640
so that was fun to see them
celebrating in that way.

1245
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,320
It makes us feel closer to them.
It's like I celebrate those

1246
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,480
holidays, too.
I know that.

1247
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,520
Two more things.
Oliver is here and got a

1248
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,480
mention.
I do know from what Derek has

1249
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,960
said and I've seen online,
Oliver is technically supposed

1250
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:24,080
to be Charlie's younger brother
but he's their cousin I guess on

1251
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:25,280
the show.
Which is I feel like

1252
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,400
interesting, but makes sense to
me.

1253
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:32,320
So just think of poor Tori in
the book universe of Heart

1254
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,880
Stopper, where she is constantly
worried about two younger

1255
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,640
brothers.
Yikes, it's too much.

1256
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,240
Good thing she only has to worry
about Mario Kart with one of

1257
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,080
them.
And then one of the last things

1258
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:47,760
that I will mention is Henry.
Oh, the pugalicious baby.

1259
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,360
Yeah, Nick got a new little
baby, sweet little Angel named

1260
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,040
Henry, and that pug was whiling
out this entire time.

1261
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,120
It was so cute.
Noah brought my attention to the

1262
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,720
fact that especially there's a
scene where they're all on the

1263
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:05,000
couch and it's both Henry and
Nelly, the other dog, and

1264
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,400
they're just both staring in the
same direction, so you know

1265
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,000
there was just some handler off
the side getting their

1266
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,960
attention.
It was so cute though.

1267
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,240
You'll get your bacon if you
just.

1268
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,520
Oh, OK, so MVP for the season,
who's your MVP?

1269
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:18,800
Oh.
My gosh.

1270
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,920
Oh, I I mean Nick.
Nick is my MVP for the season.

1271
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:23,600
I feel like he's your MVP every
season.

1272
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,920
Well.
Yeah, he's just the golden

1273
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:32,000
retriever of.
Human is that he is so far, you

1274
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,359
know, through most of the
series, he's what you want in a

1275
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:37,800
partner.
He's supportive, he's willing to

1276
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:38,960
listen to you.
He's going to talk.

1277
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,399
He's not going to pressure you
into anything.

1278
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:42,880
He's like.
Wow.

1279
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:44,840
Who I want to be.
Wow.

1280
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,479
In a relationship.
He's like, he's what you want in

1281
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,960
a relationship, not.
I didn't say I am that.

1282
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,120
I don't think either of us are
that sorry.

1283
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:58,399
You're not supportive.
You're not.

1284
01:08:59,200 --> 01:08:59,960
I know.
It's fine.

1285
01:08:59,960 --> 01:09:00,760
It's fine.
It's fine.

1286
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,479
It's fine.
Who's your MVP?

1287
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,720
I'm fine.
Oh man, as soon as I said it,

1288
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,560
I'm like, Oh no, I have to say
one too.

1289
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,200
Tori.
I loved it.

1290
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:16,399
I think acting performance so
good, which is like fun for that

1291
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:20,000
type of character because for
two seasons really now she's

1292
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,800
just been like sipping a drink
and like saying one liners.

1293
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:28,520
But ever since the dinner with
Nick's family and that stupid

1294
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,560
fucking older brother that I
still can't stand and she told

1295
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,960
him off, ever since then I was
like, I liked you before, I'd

1296
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,800
love you now.
You know, the interesting thing

1297
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,120
about our 2 picks, and this is
something I've been kind of

1298
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:44,319
reflecting on with this season,
is, you know, Charlie is the one

1299
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,080
that is dealing with an eating
disorder.

1300
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,800
He's he's going through that
journey.

1301
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,479
But what this season showed us,
and not in a selfish way, is

1302
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,200
that when people truly love you
and care about you and you're

1303
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,200
going through something very
difficult, it affects them as

1304
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,480
well.
And I think they were two of the

1305
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:06,360
characters, at least of our main
characters beside his parents,

1306
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:12,080
that really had to deal with
Charlie going to this facility

1307
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,680
and, and, and going through what
he went through.

1308
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,360
So I just think it's interesting
that we both liked those

1309
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,440
characters who were really going
through the most.

1310
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,640
Yeah.
And I I think, yeah, because it

1311
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:23,920
did.
They got a lot of screen time

1312
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:29,240
too, you know, also, last thing
I know, I already said one last

1313
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,520
thing.
Last thing, what do you think is

1314
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,040
going to happen?
We got the little the girls

1315
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,440
trip.
I will say to all the UNI's it

1316
01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:41,520
did seem like everybody, even
though they all love Charlie,

1317
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:47,880
they were all like hey Nick,
you're amazing but like Charlie

1318
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,600
can't be your whole world.
What are you going to do?

1319
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,480
Are you going to leave?
Are you going to pick a

1320
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:56,320
university that's like leads
Kent?

1321
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,200
Like which one are you going to
pick?

1322
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:00,680
And what does that mean for
Charlie?

1323
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,760
What does it mean for our heart
stop heart stopper couple?

1324
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,800
What do you think?
Do you know?

1325
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:11,800
Oh, no, no.
OK.

1326
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:13,360
So what do you think?
I know.

1327
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,520
I think he's going to go to a
college and then it's going to

1328
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,520
be that type of thing.
I'm not looking at your face

1329
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,760
because you're not telling me,
but I hope you're not.

1330
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,200
I think he's going to go to a
college and then it's going to

1331
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:28,200
be, again, that other part of a
relationship of how do you do it

1332
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,640
long distance?
How's that work?

1333
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:32,680
That's going to be really
upsetting.

1334
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,640
Oh my God.
That's scary.

1335
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,920
I remember going through that.
It was very scary to think

1336
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:40,160
about, even with friends.
Friends leaving hard.

1337
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,280
Oh my God.
Well let us know who your MVP

1338
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,160
was.
What do you think Nick is going

1339
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,240
to do?
If you know, do not tell me

1340
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,360
because I read comments.
Do not spoil this for me.

1341
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,960
We're only allowed to have
spoilers you can't give us Yeah.

1342
01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:59,080
And then also just let us know
what you thought of Heartsopper

1343
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,880
Season 3.
I this show, every season gets

1344
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,400
better and better.
I thought I loved it before.

1345
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,120
This is just too good.
Yeah, this storyline just keeps

1346
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,600
getting better and better.
The characters get better and

1347
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,240
better, the actors get better
and better.

1348
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:18,280
So it's just chef's kiss.
Can't wait to see it the next

1349
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,040
installment.
Oh, and they're getting them out

1350
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:21,600
quicker.
Very happy.

1351
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,000
I know, but that's the hard
thing though is that we binge

1352
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,440
and then you got to wait.
I'll watch it again.

1353
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,440
I feel like we just need to
watch all three again.

1354
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,520
Yeah, get the full experience.
Oh my God.

1355
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,440
All rewatch.
So sweet.

1356
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,920
Oh OK, well bye lovely little
messy babies.

1357
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,880
Yes, all.
Just just look around and know

1358
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,480
that people love you and support
you and you got this.

1359
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:45,960
Yeah.
All right.

1360
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,160
Till next time, bye Bye bye.