'Heartstopper' Season 3 Review & Reaction

0:00 Hi. Hi, welcome. It's like we're like, let's just do the highs and then it's like, oh wait, we have to say something afterwards. I I thought that we aced that very proud of us. Welcome a byte of very special episode. We got to see Heart Stopper Season 3 Early Morning you. Now I'm just putting that out there, there will be spoilers in this episode for Season 3 and all of Heart Stopper, so please watch it and then be spoiled. Yes, we will literally be talking about every single thing that happens in the entire season, so it's not even like you could maybe avoid something.

0:46 Yeah, you will be spoiled, but we'll I'll remind you again by the way, I am Noah and as always, my heart stopper always joined with me, the lovely Derek. You're you're the lovely Noah. We are your heart stopper guides to all this season 3. Before we get into everything, make sure you're following us on all the socials. We're actually going to be on vacation. So we're getting you're getting a double dose of us this week. Heart stopper and Agatha. Yes, you're welcome. I do love that when we go on vacation, it is very much a huge part of the decision of when we can cover episodes. Yeah, because we always think about you guys.

1:26 We want to make sure we deliver. Yeah, but also make sure you're following us on social media platforms. Follow the podcast, follow us. You'll get to see all our happenings in Orlando while we're there. We got a Patreon, got a Discord, got an Agatha Coven Discord going on in spoiler chat. So all of those things. So if you're watching us on YouTube, you know, subscribe, you're watching us on Spotify or listening to us on your favorite podcast platform, subscribe. It's all the same thing. Yes. OK, I think spoilers from here on out officially. Official spoiler review All right, so let us officially take a bite of Heart Stopper Season 3, written by Alice Osman. Isn't that amazing?

2:07 We get like the writer of the graphic novel, originally a webtoon online comic. Still a webtoon? Still, yeah. Now to a Netflix series and is writing it oh so good. I know it's incredible. So we are three seasons in to Heart Stopper. We are three seasons covering it on the podcast. What are your thoughts after we finished watching all of these episodes? How did you feel? So I have read all the books, the five volumes that are out, so I knew what was coming, but I still think that they did such an incredible job at portraying it.

2:48 The thing that I love most about it is Wallace just has a way of so simply showing how hard, but also how joyous life can be. And it's just in this one group of teenagers. I think at the end of it, it just was the IT felt like the realist season in the sense of like, these are the very real problems that they're dealing with. Verse Will they, won't they? Oh right, so it's like past the the meet queue? Exactly. Pass the meet queue, pass the liking each other, pass the what, you know, who am I? And it's like, oh, OK, now we're in the thick of it. First time of them.

3:30 Yes, that's true. The question of identity, Yes, yes, yes. I feel, which is a very integral part of the show. I 100% agree. If I could sum this up in one sentence, our babies are a mess this season and in I think rightfully so, right? It's they're getting older, their relationships are deepening, they're evolving. I think what makes these types of stories so engaging is that we've all experienced this type of thing in some way, Not even just the the queer identities, right, or the LGBTQ plus identities. It's more of like those relationships with friends and also like your first love and doing that in high school or middle school and then changing schools.

4:13 So we're right on the cusp of that in this season of what is going to happen with everybody when it will go off to uni. When life continues right from this falling in love moment, what happens after you fall in love? What happens after you become a couple? What happens after your heart stops Exactly Scary. So I, I very much really, really, really enjoyed the season. I do think the first season is my favorite because it's so special and it's just like that first thing. But this one, I think execution amazing. They did so many different things in this season and it felt newer but the same, which I I needed personally because I was like how much are we going to see if like almost the same thing.

4:59 I did not read the books. I'm very much by choice, deciding not to read them because I want to be surprised. Yeah. So I just wanted to put that out there. You said you've read them. I didn't read. Them, yes, and I've been a very good husband in not letting anything leak. I think the last thing that I said to you was that after the last scene I said, OK, well, things are going to get a little more serious in this next one and I like to think I was right. You were. They followed the storyline, you know, they weren't afraid to take that leap. Right, which I'm glad I didn't know and I was surprised in many different ways for the season. So how we're going to do this episode because every, you know, it's such a big friend group.

5:42 I do feel like out of all of the seasons we have our friend group, that's going to be kind of what the friend group is. We don't have many outside people in this season as we did in the other two. Like the bullies really aren't a factor in this one and it's really more about the relationship. So let's just do it couple by couple or person by person because we can't forget about our baby Isaac, which is one of my favorite. Characters, our beautiful bibliophile. We love Isaac, so we'll do it, you know, couple by couple. Should we start? I'm going to say, oh man, who should we start with? Should we do Darcy and Tara?

6:22 I don't want to do Nick and Charlie. No, I agree. I actually think that, Oh, no, OK. We love them all equally. I actually think we should start. Down, up, yes. OK. Because the way we have it written, yeah, I think should be the opposite. I do want to switch 1. OK, that's fine. You guys are watching live editing right now? I could have just cut this out. No, I want them to know. What we deal with? Yes, exactly. OK, OK, all right. OK, I feel better with that. All right, you kick it off. So the first couple we're going to start with is a very quick conversation. They're very much the BCD storyline, but they're just it's floating around. So we're going to talk about Mr. Ajayi and Mr. Farooq.

7:03 So since Paris, the pair have become even closer and are now trying to hide their relationship from the boys at True. So for a second, I wasn't sure where we were with them, right? Because when we first see them, they're kind of like sitting in a car together a little awkwardly. And you're thinking, oh, no, did they decide to not explore this anymore because they're going back to school? But it's actually like, OK, breathe. We have to pretend that this isn't happening. Yeah, I was. I it's not that I forgot about them, but when I saw them together, I was like, Oh yeah. They, like, I don't want to say hooked up, but they found each other in Paris and probably hooked up. The romance.

7:44 Right, which is fine. It's Paris city love. I love them so much because I think for us as older gay men, it is a little more relatable in some aspects of seeing older gay men kind of navigate the work life, also relationship life, but also working together and then being in a society that is mostly straight. And how do you navigate that? Because we we really don't know their stories, like how comfortable is one with their sexuality? As opposed to Farouk, which seemed like he had some reservations. So I just love seeing them be like, OK, we're going to do this, but like maybe not broadcast it and advertise it because like sometimes the kids at true them are not nice. That's.

8:34 True, we've met quite a few of them. I do though in in my mind, I do think it's one of those things where they're trying so hard to not be obvious that it's actually so obvious and all the students totally know and don't really care at all. Yeah, 'cause I what was it? The rugby coach that caught them in the car, yes. And she was like, you guys got to be a little more sneaky than that, totally, because they're kissing in the car. And, you know, you kind of wrote up a good point. It is interesting because we're obviously married and we work together. So it's like it is an interesting dynamic, right? That's what I was getting at. Yeah, and you got it. You got there. But it is. It is. It's funny to see that because it's like, Oh yeah, that's like our daily life. Yeah, I feel like we need to do like, I mean, we need to do just like a hangout where we can like actually tell people who we are on Patreon.

9:22 Of course, yes. Because I do feel like sometimes people like we we will get comments very rarely, but occasionally of like, I didn't know you guys were married. It's like, well, yeah, we're not going to make out on the podcast. We could, but like. We're not there. We're not there yet. That's not the type of content you clicked on. No, we are not that, nor does our Patreon have that, but fairly maybe. No, not of us making out, but yes, we are married. But so I did find some relatability to that. Not like we're very open and everybody obviously knows at work. That would be weird if we were married and told nobody. Yeah, no, I right. Imagine we're really trying to pull the wool over their eyes, and then it's like the same home address. So back to these two lovely Lovebird teachers I loved. I loved getting a little check in with them and I liked that there was not to jump the gun, but there was some comfort still there in The Art Room.

10:26 Charlie knows that that's the safe space, so I liked that still being there. I do I, I love that. And I also love though there was, there was a moment in this that actually, it was so quick, but it actually made me tear up. So towards the end of the season, they're basically saying to Charlie, we think it would be really great if you applied to be Head Boy next year. And Miss Farook says something like, I think that the younger kids could look up to Someone Like You. And we get a flash of Mr. Farook as a little boy. And so that made me really tear up because I often find myself feeling inspired by the younger generation. And you know, I'm going to be 40 next year. So I didn't really come out fully like socially living my truth until I got to college till I was 18 years old. But it wasn't too far after that that kids really felt comfortable coming out in high school and now even younger than that.

11:28 So I'm, I, I get that for with Mr. Farooq Being able to reflect on your own life and experiences through the younger generation and seeing how far we've come and being proud at how proud they could be at such a young age. Yeah. And then also being an example for the newer generation coming in, which I liked that they did point out because it was like when you, if you're not watching the screen, when that interaction happens, you think that it's like, oh, OK, about like the younger people that are coming in, which is true. But then when you see that flash of him, it's like, oh, it's also for his self that wasn't able to do that. Exactly because I could have used you when I was a little one.

12:09 Right. And there's, so there's at least I think 3 different times where they do that with the characters and they show them young and I'm like, you need to stop making me almost cry. Those give me the chills, right? Because, you know, being someone who has gone to therapy and has done yoga certification, you know, you explore the little child that still lives within you. And that little child still has so many wounds and, and has shaped us and who we've become as adults. And so when they show those little kids, not only is it cute because they found little actors that look so much like them, but it's, it's really driving that home of we all just still have this little version inside of us that needs comforting and love.

12:50 And so that's that moment, right? Yeah, it is that moment. It's like the healing moment. They and they do it so well. Like the editing with it. It's just like, it's a flash. Yeah, and it's like. Oh fuck, it's like we whenever that happens, Noah and I do like an an audible like because it's just too freaking sweet and too touching. Literally stopping my heart. All right, on to our next. Yes. So this is Imogen and Sahar. So after a drunk kiss at a party, they have a falling out over what it means to each of them. Sahar comes out as bisexual, while Imogen doesn't know who she is when it comes to love and her own identity. Just when I thought Heart Stopper covered all of the bases of somebody's identity, relationships with her relationships and other genders and identities, they throw this in there.

13:49 You know, there was something that happened in Season 2 where I was like, OK, Imogen said. She was an ally, fantastic in the first season, and she's proving that to be true. Then Sahar comes in and it's like, oh, it's this. Yeah, she sees Sahar on stage and like get this like dreamy doe eyed look on her face. And it's like, wait, what is going to happen? So when this kiss happens, while I got excited, I was like, wait, but what does that mean? And I'm so glad that this show went into that because I think it is very, very, very important for this kind of thing to happen because there are moments of exploring, which I think should be 100% encouraged with both consenting parties and seeing what that meant for both of them.

14:38 I I believe there was a moment where when they finally talk about it because they have some friction after it because when everybody sees them kissing, Imogen acts like the girl at the party so drunk, Right. And it's different for Sahar, which was kind of heartbreaking because I was rooting for them. But then I was like, oh, wait, I don't think Imogen's, like, wants to do that. Yeah. But the but it shouldn't come at the detriment of one of the people involved. The exactly the exploration. Exactly. So when they finally talk about it, I liked that they got to the conclusion of Sahar. Being like you made me realize things about myself, like I am bisexual. And the same thing happened with Imogen as well. She's like, you made me realize things. I don't know what they are yet, but you made me realize stuff. And I love that they both were like, we probably shouldn't be a couple, which is like, yes, OK, just be really good friends and. You know what, I want to just put this out there now because I felt this throughout the entire kind of, well, actually throughout the series so far.

15:37 We had spoken about this and are the coverage of our first season when Nick comes out to his mother. And we said something along the lines of this is the example conversation to have. This is how you react when someone says when someone comes out to you, this is how you're supportive to them. And so I think one of the other things that Alice does so well in this is that she shows really healthy, clear communication within all the characters. And also realistic. Right. And so the fact that these two, what, 1516 year olds can look at each other and be like, this is how I'm openly honestly feeling.

16:17 It's a really wonderful thing to see, you know, especially put out on the screen for other kids to see if just have a conversation. Don't keep your hurt feelings closed because you'll just end up hurting yourself even more. Talk to the person about it. And so this is just one of the instances in this season where healthy communication is put at the center of a relationship. And I like that the Allison team, they do that and make sure, OK, let me let me try to like frame this thought that makes sense to everybody. That's not me is they could very easily do the fantasy or the realistic version, like super realistic where it's like they don't talk about it, right? And then like after months pass, they're like, oh, we're friends again.

17:03 We're not going to talk about it. What I love about this is that they make sure it's a priority to address it and also be like, this might be some real things that somebody says in this conversation, but here's the healthy way to maybe resolve this or to get past whatever's happening, Which I think is so important because it's one thing to be like, you know, queer people get bullied, queer people have a time with blah, blah, blah. It's like we know we, we experience it. That's another thing to also in the lens of this, educate people that might have those questions about their son, their relative, their sibling, whatever that's going through these things.

17:43 Does that make sense? Yeah. Like it's good to have this thing where it shows the healthy side and that it it will be OK. Yes, yeah, I, I well, exactly. And I think that there are so many different types of relationships in this show that you can you can learn from any of the conversations that are happening. Any. Any of them. Just even just about communication in general, But I I also just wanted to touch on Imogen. Another conversation has an interesting conversation with Nick. And so she says things along the lines of I don't know if I ever really liked you because that's what was always expected of me. I was the popular girl.

18:25 I needed to have a boyfriend. She's like, but I don't really think I did. And therefore, I don't really know who I am when it comes to love. And so I thought that was really interesting too, of this character just being like I was, I, I, I had myself so placed in a very specific box for a very long time. And now I'm not so sure that that's actually the box I should exist in or even just in this way of existing in it. So I thought that was another really interesting talk about identity and what's expected of you versus who you really are. I think it, I think she very much at least right now is the questioning, right. And obviously they're all still kids and they're figuring it out.

19:10 They're not going to figure themselves out for a long time. I don't think I've figured myself out yet, which is fine. I think people evolve. But I, I think that is really important because there are there is so many people, straight or not, where you're expected to do certain things, you're expected to do the sports, you're expected to get whatever grades you're expected to because you're of a certain status, go out with somebody of a certain status. So I think that there's a lot of themes of pressure and that becoming overwhelming for our our gang here. And it shows itself in different ways. And I think for her, she's finally able to, when she finally kissed Sahar, it was one of those things of like, Oh, people caught me like, Oh, that was a joke.

19:53 But wait, what does that say? Like I feel different after that. Does that mean I like it or this was just something that I should explore? Or what is it? Or maybe nobody. And there's and there's no answer at this point in time for Imogen, which again is fine as as viewers, we don't need the, well, what are you season 4 exactly? We have more time. I will say a small critique I have is that I wish that we would get to know Sahar more. I do too. She's great, a guitar and singing. But that's about all we know, right? And so she was kind of like in in this season, it felt like she was very much a footnote on Imogen's journey and not necessarily they're exploring her own right. Or at least we didn't get to see it. Maybe next season, you know, and I I think I do agree. I feel like she was really the only one of the gang that was kind of like she's here.

20:46 But like in the view with Imogen, which granted, Imogen has been here longer. I don't think that warrants like sidestepping it, but I think we'll get more. I hope so. I hope so. On to the next. One we've. Got quite a few. So up next we have Tara and Darcy. So after being kicked out by their mother, Darcy has been living with Tara's family. But Tara feels that the new living arrangement is adding to her stress of already feeling overwhelmed by school and life. Darcy then moves in with their grandmother and finds confidence in their non binary identity. So much to unpack with both of them, but I feel like as we're like talking about these couples and leading up to Nick and Charlie, we're kind of hitting on a lot of things that that all of the couples go through or have gone through. So it makes it easier to like get to the meat of their relationship.

21:39 I love them. I love their relationship. I think it's really unique in a in in a light that I haven't really seen and TV and stuff like that, especially for at least in the beginning, a lesbian couple. Well, I think that they are still lesbians even though ones but not binary. I didn't. Again, we're not experts in this field. If we say anything that's like not correct, please let us know in the comments. We are very much open to being corrected. Just because we are part of the community does not know mean in any way, shape or form that we are fully educated on every single person that exists in it.

22:20 Clearly. Yeah. So like, they were lesbians in the beginning of the season. Not anymore. Yes. But I think that it not often do we get a healthy lesbian couple, you know, which was what I was trying to say. So just say that. But, man, you know, I I got to be like, there was a moment where Darcy goes into Tara's room when they're living together and she's just kind of like throwing everything around. Oh, I felt. I felt Tara and that and that instance because it was like, she's stressed as it is to be perfect and go to the perfect school and get all the perfect grades. And then it's like the person that you love is like there and like not respecting your space. And so, like, granted, she didn't get mad at her, but you could tell like, that was the moment where she was like, I think it's healthy for us to not be here yet. Yes.

23:17 And you know, I think it's, it's an interesting thing when someone moves in and shares your space with you, right. And so you lived one way for so long and now you're sharing a space with someone else. And so I understand they're being growing pains in that, but this is literally throwing trash on the floor. So I was not being very forgiving towards Darcy because that just threw me for a loop. Noah and I, we're very neat people, you know, just everything has its little place in our home. And so that's where those things go. So trash does not go on the floor. No. OK. Especially in the room. Come on, just. Emptying out your wallet, purse, or whatever it was everywhere.

23:58 Bandy pack I don't think so yeah. I it is kind of funny though, because you know in in their journey and their relationship Tara's the first one to say I love you. Tara is really putting herself out there for Darcy. And then, you know, she kind of finally gets all of Darcy and then she's like, well, that's too that. OK, now it's too much, you know, which is understandable. I'm just it, it's just so funny. It's like you kind of wish for this thing and then it all comes at you at once and it's sometimes it's a little too much to handle. Well, I think, you know, with, I think with her, with Tara's journey in this season in particular, is she really needs to make decisions that are going to change her life. She has those expectations for her mother, which we saw of her like being like, you're going to get into the best schools, you're going to be amazing and everything. And it's like, well, granted she is that is so much pressure. I almost feel like a lot of times that's worse than just letting them come to you and just praising them when they do a good job instead of being like, you're automatically going to be good at it.

25:00 And it's like, well, that's pressure. Well, here are all the expectations I have for you and you have to meet them. And so whenever we see that scene of they're at Charlie's birthday at his house and they made those tents outside, which oh, so much fun. Did you ever do that when you were a kid? No, not tents outside, but when one time there was a giant blackout on the East Coast and all of my friends came over and because no air conditioners or anything worked, it was during the summer we all slept outside. Well, that's. Nice. There were no tents, we just had blankets and stuff. We would do that like we would have like the trampoline and we would put tent like obviously sheets like over the trampoline to where like you had to like go under it. So fun.

25:42 It was really fun. So I very much like that. I was like, yeah, I would have done that until high school, too. But that's when she really gets her panic attack because all of it's coming at her. And it was just one more thing to add on top of, like the expectations and the choices that she has to make, which we'll get into it. But I love that because Charlie was equipped with tools to help himself. He was able to help somebody else. So important. So, so important. But also on the other side, Darcy's journey, love. Yeah, she was able to get away from her abusive, toxic household. She got to be with Tara for a little bit. And thank God her mother was accepting of that and letting her be there and then going with her grandmother, which she just encouraged her.

26:28 Yes, her grandmother was so delightful. Yeah, encouraged them because they came out was non binary, which at least they were like, I think this feels right. Like this is where I want to be. And I love that they were like, I can't remember who they were talking to, but they said something of like, it doesn't have to be a big deal. Like just tell people you don't have to come out again, right, Right. You know. And I and I also liked the the the kind of increments that had happened in it was really them figuring things out in real time of like, I think I want to try they them pronouns. All right. I think I want to try cutting my hair a little differently. I think I want to wear these this the clothing that my mother was so against me wearing, you know, and not to say that a non binary person has to have a mullet and wear suspenders, but it was just all a journey of Darcy feeling comfortable in their journey of self acceptance and taking those little steps to just making them feel more comfortable as who they are. And it was really nice to see too, because we saw in the second season, I believe, when we got to see Darcy's home life and we saw that what it that was the one where they had the dance, right?

27:41 And they wanted to wear like the tux, but that was like one of the tipping points for their mother. So it was really nice to see that when they were at their grandmother's and they put on stuff that would typically be for men or not feminine. And the grandmother was like, yes, yes. Like she was hyping her up. It's like that is just, that's beautiful to see. It's just those tiny small moments that mean everything. And also I love their hair. Yeah, so cool. Loved it. So cool. Because I know I've seen it in press and I'm like, oh, their hair is so cool. And I just thought that was just them outside of the character. And I know that is the character now. They're really. Bringing themselves into this character, which is really cool to see. Yeah, so.

28:25 We love our little lesbian. Couple I know they're just they're, they're just always just like being very supportive of everyone and working through their own drama, you know, really with the without a lot of outside interference. And I do I I want to say before we move away from them, I absolutely loved that. We got another Tara and Nick conversation. Me too. I love that it's showing that there's relationships within the friend group that aren't the couples, right? And, and last season she helped Nick a lot and vice versa. And in this season, same thing. Oh, it just makes me very happy. Yeah. And you know, just to kind of step off of that, one of the things that I really enjoy is that there's never any judgement either towards the person that's sharing their issue or towards their significant other that the issue is about right. The the person is always just like sort of actively listening, asking questions that are a little thought provoking and being like, OK, well, you'll figure it out. You know, and we, and so it's never like, I can't believe they're doing this or, you know, as most sort of teenage conversations tend to go.

29:34 I think the only time that they ever tip that way is I can't remember exact instances so forgive me. I just know it's happened in almost every season and that's just because they're like a kid friend group is like when they're like going to do something or going to say something, but they've said it to somebody else and not somebody like they're more friend friend like how I believe. I think that happened a lot in the first season of like kind of Charlie not wanting to tell him everything. So like that happens a little bit, but I'm glad they got away from that because I think it happened more in the first and 2nd and this one it was just more of like, no, the couples are dealing with their stuff and they're all collectively a mess. A. 100% And I mean, that is what it is to be 16 and 17 years old. I mean, obviously.

30:20 But yeah, I agree it definitely happened in the first season, especially with Tao not really trusting Nick in the beginning. So but they're past that now. They're they're, they're dealing with their own inner problems, not with all the outside issues of being children. Speaking of not being a problem at all. I know, just a little baby. So Isaac comes out to Charlie 1st and then the rest of the group of friends. As asexual and a romantic, he often feels like the third wheel to all of their intense relationships. I really enjoyed that they went more into the storyline and I actually didn't realize that he had never come out as asexual and a romantic.

31:01 Agreed, and also because of my educating myself in the second season, I for the longest time assumed aromantic and asexual were the same thing. They're not, and it's good to again have a reminder of both of these things being different. I love Isaac. I just, you know, I, I love that they did show that hey, you're aromantic and asexual friends and stuff might be feeling this way, especially when your friend group is consistent of a lot of different. Everyone's pairing off basically, don't. Forget about your other friends. You know, it's so messed up that just in general, there's like, so there's a societal pressure to have of having it be a man and a woman in a relationship, right? And then on.

31:51 So then you're in part of a queer friend group and like, there's, you know, two men together, whatever. And yet there's still that pressure of having to be in a pair. And then you have to come out to say, I don't want that. It's like so messed up. It's like everybody is always just trying to dig into everyone's personal life. And it's almost unintentional. It's like an involuntary thing, right? It's like we're all programmed to ask who are you interested in? Who do you have a crush on? And so Isaac is there going, well, that's not for me. And yet still has to come out to people. Yeah, I think funny enough, this kind of conversation was happening on a a stream the other night and it was just talking about like what, you know, we've made we've the society has made steps towards accepting of LGBTQ people of different identities and everything.

32:48 But obviously we have a long way to go. But what like when is there the thing, the conversation of like, when do you have to come out and when you do not, you know, like when, when does that point happen? Because in this front group of so many different types of relationships and identities, Isaac did have to come out, which is an interesting thought to think about because it's like, oh, you would just think that like they would know, but you can't know something like this, unfortunately. But fortunately he was able to tell them. And I I kind of liked how he did it because it was a very Isaac way to do it. It was, I think it was in front of the jellyfish stuff when they out there aquarium at the zoo.

33:30 He's like, maybe I don't like either and I don't want anyone just get back to the book. Yeah. And they're. Like, got it. Yeah, we got it. Understandable. Yeah, it's, it's really an interesting thing of the pressure and being forced and. Who is who is the friend that comes around when we initially thought that they would become a couple? The friend that is that. I think his name is James. I think it's. James too, I love that James, if that's their name, is super OK with it. But also like still around, you know, because I, I feel like he, he did kind of get rejected last season, but like, I think he's still trying or at least trying to be there in some capacity, which I like because it, it can show what does a relationship or non relationship look like?

34:23 And, and there can there's still love there between friends, you know, and that's the thing with Isaac. I have to admit, I always trip over Isaac's name because when the first season of Heart Stopper came out, Toby, who is the actor that plays Isaac, did an amazing vlog series and I just got to know him as Toby. And so now I'm like Isaac, Isaac, Isaac. So I'm always tripping over his name. I wish he did more of them, but I'm guessing just because Heart Supper became so popular, there are like no cameras on set. There's spoilers and stuff. But anyway, I just love that there is love and support, right? And that's what this entire group is about. And that no matter what your identity is or what you're going through, we are here for you, you know? And, and I think that Isaac senses that from his friends and, and that's really important, even though they're all third Wheeling him.

35:16 I tried to catch I'm sure because this is early, there's usually like eagle eyed fans that will write down all of the books that Isaac reads. I know that they read Genderqueer and one of my favorite books, This is How You Lose a Time War. You have not read that wonderful beautiful sci-fi novella. Please read that book. Oh, it's so beautiful. But anyway, those were the two that I remember. Song of Achilles. I feel like Song of Achilles is in there as well. OK, so we got three out of like maybe 10. Was he was he also reading one of the fake books by the Jonathan Bailey character Jack Maddox at some point?

35:57 I. Don't know, I think. I think at one point he was also reading Heartstopper. So I don't know We'll see. We'll keep and look out for the list. OK, we have three more couples slash 3 more stories to talk about. Go ahead get get this next one all. Right, so Elle and Tao, the two are mad for each other and explore the physical side to their relationship. Tao is still coping with Elle going to a school that is further away, and Elle works through her gender dysphoria and new online stardom. This was an interesting arc for the two of them, mostly because I didn't expect it, which I should have, right? I thought it was not only important to see a trans person in a relationship with somebody.

36:46 And what does that conversation of, if they're still dealing with the dysmorphia, what is that conversation look like? And then also, how does that person support that person? You know, when they're having these conversations, Taos says something along the lines to Elle of, you know, I don't think of you as trans. And Elle is like, well, I am. And so that's that's who I am. And so like, I appreciate that you're saying that, but you also have to know that's, that's me. Yeah, it it almost feels like I don't want to say it's to this extent, right? But it's like, you know, when people are like, you know, I don't see color or something like that. Again, it's not as bad as saying that, but it's, it feels like that almost because it's like, no, I don't want you to ignore who I am because I'm not ignoring it. So it would be weird if you ignored it, but I like that it opened up that conversation.

37:47 Also, all of our, all of our little, our, our little babies here are like getting real physical. So it's like, what is this going to look like? Because that creates issues, that creates closeness. So I like that it did both of them, both of it for this couple here, it showed, it brought them closer, but it also made them look at themselves. Yeah. And I think one of the things that I appreciated most though, is throughout the entire season, even though they're having these deeper conversations, they're still just psychotically in love with each other. They're perfect for each other. Tau cannot get enough of L in any sense of the word. He just wants to be with her and love her and support her non-stop. You know what I don't like tell me what happened in this is that multiple people multiple times told how specifically or them together.

38:35 It's like, oh, it's just the honeymoon phase. I can't stand it when people say that. That really bugs the shit out of me. And it's mostly because it's like, let them fucking enjoy it because like, yeah, maybe it will go away, maybe it won't. But also like, why are you like being cynical about? It yeah, I think a lot of times when people say that it's because they're they're reflecting on their own relationship and they're not feeling that same spark anymore, so they have to let someone else know that like it's going to go away. You know, look, being in a relationship, both of us, but also just being in being a human and being through relationships and stuff. Yes, relationships change. But like, while the honeymoon phase is fantastic and beautiful and wonderful, the stuff after it is just as good because you're more comfortable and you're so secure in that relationship, you know what I mean? So it's like you evolve with that. Person.

39:32 And I do think, though, that the stuff after the honeymoon phase is the stuff I think that truly shows you who the other person is. Because in the beginning you're always trying to be like the top performing of yourself. Maybe might be a lie or an exaggerated version of it, but. Well, I even think though, that in the beginning you're just both so infatuated with each other in in like just wanting to be around the person, wanting to touch them constantly, wanting to hear from them constantly. And so you're kind of blind to a lot of things and your own behaviors, their behaviors. And so once you get past that, although it's not the we're making out 24/7 thing anymore, there's a lot more to explore.

40:18 And so you actually have to fit together as a unit and I and you have to communicate and you have to talk to each other because in the beginning it's like, hell yeah, we both want to be together all the time, right? And. Don't forget about your friends. Well, there's also that, too. So I just think that, yeah, there's that weird thing. People have said that to me. I remember when I was in my first first relationship, the person my brother was dating at the time, she said to me, she's like, oh, you guys just stay on the honeymoon stage, huh? And I didn't know what that meant. And it was like she burst my little relationship bubble. Thanks. So you know who you. Are so full. Like stop saying it. Like, let's let's like stop being mean to people unless like you're having a conversation with that person and they're like, yeah, I think the honeymoon phase is it's like, OK, then have that conversation.

41:04 Don't be like the person is literally like, Oh my God, I love them so much. We did blah, blah, blah. It's like, that's the honeymoon phase. You'll get over it. Yeah. How dare you? Yeah, anyway, sorry, that was a side that really like bugged the shit out of me. Yeah, that that is annoying, but I think it's something very real that happened. I also want to just touch on the fact that, and and we see this when we get to Charlie and Nick as well, that there is no pressure from each of from either of the partners in having to take the relationship to a physical level that one of them might not be comfortable with yet. So important. There's never that thing of like, oh come on, I got a boner for. Them like going and talking to the other friends being like, we, they won't do it.

41:45 They won't do it. It's so gross. I like that a lot. And and, you know, and I think it gave Tao some pause because it did seem like he was really more kind of feeling it out literally of like how far he can go. And when he did go a little too far for Elle, it kind of made him like step back a little bit. But then it it he had to step up and be like, OK, we can talk about it or not talk about it. But he he made it more seem like you want to talk about it. No, OK, let's, let's just keep going. Like let's, you know, let's hang out or whatever. And then to on on to the outside. Because I think Tao had a very big part in the season, but I think L had more of a part.

42:28 Her getting recognition for her work, amazing. Her being used as a political pawn and the grander transgender political hellscape that is just on everybody's forefront of their mind was not fun to see. Because I think I can't speak for transgender people, but as a queer person, constantly, always in the news, always something about LGBTQ community, why are rights being given to these certain types of people, blah blah. And it's just like, why does the existence of me? And I think Elle touched on it a little bit of like, I'm, I'm not.

43:09 Just because I exist doesn't mean I'm political. And I think there was a moment with her with during the interview when it started becoming very apparent of why that person wanted to interview Elle of like, maybe she didn't do any of the research. You know what it like, you're just not born with all of the knowledge, all this political knowledge, just because you're queer. Well, I also think that just in the same way that we were saying like just because we're part of the community doesn't mean we're fully educated, I also think that just because you're part of the community doesn't mean that you have to be the mouthpiece for the community. Especially for people in your community. Right. And, and just the in the sense of this is a 16 year old girl who was blindsided with this interview, who just wanted to come on here and talk about their art and the fact that it was doing so well online and they're being used, you know, And so I also think that there has to be the respect given to folks of listen, not all of us are are comfortable with being in the spotlight and having to speak loudly about our rights.

44:16 I know for myself, I was bullied for a very long time. And so the thought of speaking out sometimes scares me, you know? And so I could understand that. A feeling that pressure of you having to be the one to educate everyone, of you having to be the one to stick up for everyone when sometimes you're just trying to survive as yourself and can't take on the emotional burden of having to represent every single other person in your community as well. And not, and being forced to do that because I feel like, you know, even just having a rainbow flag in your bio on any social media platform automatically puts your target on you. It's like, well, maybe I'm just trying to signal that I'm a safe space for people. Yeah. It's really frustrating. But it was deeply upsetting seeing that. But also it was heartwarming to see how much support she had after that.

45:05 You know, Tao realizing, like, oh, outside of our bubble isn't as safe as it seems. Her, her. The reaction of her parents was very encouraging to see because it's like, fuck, yeah. Like, support your kid, but also, like, that sucks. Like, how do you deal with it? Like, how do you protect your child? And I think like there's a thought of, oh, when she leaves, she's going to have to deal with this type of stuff. So like, did we best prepare her? You know, I'm just like making, I'm like making things up for the parents. But like, that's how I would feel. It's like, uh oh. Like it almost like in that sense, it's like I didn't do my job as a parent to protect my child in the situation.

45:48 Obviously, they're not to blame. That's all on that radio studio, of course. Oh, man, It was just like it got dark and it was just like, oh, Brick. But she's strong. Yeah, She's an amazing group of friends with her. I loved that it got resolved, or at least she's finding herself again. And Tao helped with that video, showing the video of her prior to her seeing herself differently or how the world might see her was just really, it was beautiful. It was beautiful, and I also think it speaks a little bit to Tao's journey just in general of seeing him become a documentary filmmaker maybe right he. He's he's only going to make.

46:31 Oh, you're feeling sad? Let me make a video for you. I got it. He knows that he can change the world of his friends with one video. But I love it too, and I think I thought that was a fun character development for Tao. We also got more of Tao's dancing, which I think is appreciated. He did like, oh, I can't even do it. Yeah, that move a lot, yeah. It's just classic Tao, a lot of hips, yeah. And I just think that, again, it's about that communication, it's about opening up to each other, it's about trusting in your partner. As well. Yeah. And maturing in your relationship because I, I very much feel like he, he was overcompensating a lot because they weren't going to be around each other all the time.

47:12 And I think as most of the parties in this show and us as people find out that like, it's not the end of the world when you can't be around that person. If you're afforded the opportunity to be around them, fantastic. If not, it's not the end of the world. You're fine. And it's also The funny thing of like, Elle was going to a different school anyway. It just wasn't the school next door anymore, right? It's like she's still in the same town. Like, yeah, you're. Going to you still see her on weekends and at night and stuff. Chill out, you know. He was just really smitten. Yeah, he's just so head over heels in love with her, he can't help himself. OK, so again, we're we're down to our final two and we have a surprise new relationship. OK, introduce the second to last. All right, so this is Tori and Michael. So Tori's worry about her brother's illness takes over from takes over most of her life. However, once she sees he's doing better, a surprise in the form of Michael enters her life.

48:15 OK. So Tori continues to be the greatest older sister that has ever existed in history. I. Most most of the time in the season when I cried or got really teary was because of her and just seeing how much she has not let herself be herself because she worries so much for her brother. And she's an amazing older sister. And she was finally able to be like, he's fine. And then something amazing came in the form of Michael, who seems we haven't seen much of him, is quirky, likes her a lot.

48:55 I like seeing her like this, where she can be like, OK, this is my boy, I'm going to go upstairs and you guys have fun. Yeah. Like she needs that. She does. And I liked also, you know, we all knew that Tori was awesome. And so we get to see how much she truly loves Charlie in this season. But I also liked getting to see her, you know, during the one episode where they're celebrating Charlie's birthday with the tent party of just kind of being the cooler older sister, right? They're like, they go around being like, OK, mom and dad are gonna come on 30 minutes. You got to clean this up. You know, so she got to kind of be a little more relaxed in her role as the older sister. And not a parent. Right. Or someone who needed to protect him from the big bad, right?

49:36 You know, she was there to just be like, come on, guys, we got to get this together. I loved how much we got to see of her this season because I think it was really important to show, you know, because Charlie's dad is supportive, but again, he is somebody that's supportive when the mother deems it OK or appropriate. Like he's very much the dad doesn't want to cause trouble. And so he's more supportive when the mom isn't around, vice versa. So it was really good to see that this support was always going to be there for Charlie. I'm excited to see more and to see what that relationship looks like. But also going into our last couple of Nick and Charlie, I loved that we got to get more of her particularly.

50:19 And these two in Episode 4 and 5I, those two episodes were amazing, astounding. So well done. And it's a part of these kind of three people, Dick, Charlie and Tori. But yeah, I mean, I love them. I love Tori so much. I also liked towards the end of the season, you know, where her and Michael sort of have this falling out because he wants to very much define their relationship as boyfriend and girlfriend. And she's like, I don't really need the label, I just want us to be together. But I liked the little bit of a switch where Charlie got to kind of be the sibling that was solving her problem or helping her with her issue, rather than her always having to be the one that helps him.

51:00 Because I don't think that's happened yet. No. He's always come to her or she's always asked him. And so for them to be able to be on that Ferris wheel and oh God, I love that moment so much. Coming from somebody that has like siblings, you have siblings too you don't have. Siblings. I just have one. Yeah. But like, you know those moments, like it, just like you know those moments and how special and sometimes not frequent they are. Yeah, if you're lucky enough, you have a sibling that you can talk to like that. Right. So beautiful 10s across the board. Loved it. Yes, and I just want to say I just love getting to see Tori go from the floating aura in the background to literally being a part of the story. Yeah.

51:43 Oh, crying so much. She's so good. She's so amazing. Jenny Walser is just. I wish that she was involved in more of the press for this show. To be completely honest with you, I don't see her in as many of the YouTube videos and stuff. Hopefully next season she is because you know how sometimes they don't want to like tell people like what characters are going to be like higher. So hopefully also, hey, you want to be on the podcast? Come on, we love you. Please. All right, should we move on? Our final couple. All right, so Nick and Charlie profess their love for each other, but things become even more serious when Nick voices his concern for Charlie's eating habits. The pair explores wanting to take their relationship to a physical level and choices about uni loom.

52:29 OK, this was really this was actually really fun doing it couple by couple because we usually don't go this in depth, but I since we're doing 1 episode for the whole season, it's needed these two boys, these two boys always being silly, always just like just talk to each other sometimes. You know, I OK, I'm trying to like form my thoughts here. I loved that we got past that doughy face between both of them because granted they hadn't said I love you yet. We knew from the cliffhanger from the last season it was coming. They did.

53:10 I know that this is the scene from the the book. They said I love you just how they did in the book with Nick outside or Charlie outside the door and Nick in the shower. I thought it was very ROM com very like, of course they did and he's walking away and he's running after him. But you need those moments, right? You need the the fun moments before it gets. Heavy yeah, there's always there's a lot of people in the rain moments and heart stopper or or running after each other in the rain or on the street or something like that. We got another one of those here. And so, you know, it's I think it was interesting for Nick in this season to be so in love with someone, but also realizing that they're not perfect in every way or no, I don't think that's the right phrasing that getting to see that that love you have goes beyond holding hands and having little sparks shoot out. There's actually a lot that comes along with truly loving someone.

54:09 And I think also finding your identity with that person and not necessarily like sexual or whatever, but like, OK, you love this person, you're saying you love this person. You want to be that person's partner in whatever form that takes. They are going through this thing or they have this thing that they need to deal with. Where, how are you going to deal with that? And I loved, I loved, loved, loved. Who's the aunt's name? Aunt Diane, I believe stand out character for me. She was only in really one scene fully. Captain Britain. Captain Britain, Peggy. Carter. Peggy Carter, Is it hard stopper? Yes, I think it was so important.

54:49 We'll get into the, the, the Charlie stuff, but I think Nick, learning how you support somebody without literally being a people pleaser is really important for a lot of people. And in a relationship with somebody that is going through a, an eating disorder, that isn't something that you can readily see. I think I learned some things of like, oh, that would be a good way to support somebody and not always bringing up the problem, right? I so in the novella that Alice Osman wrote this winter, that novella is is all of episode 5 basically. And in the novella, something is set along the lines of where Charlie is just looking for someone who's willing to find the middle ground in their support in the sense of don't completely ignore that I'm going through something and don't come out and be like you eating anything.

55:47 What are you doing? It's just be here for me. Yeah, Mama Spring. Yeah, awful. And, and and. She's a complicated character. She is. It's one of those things where it's like she's doing the wrong thing and she becomes the pseudo villain of the season. But also you can't help but feel for her because she's not getting the support that Nick is getting from somebody of like, this is how you should support somebody going through this. She's just, yeah, why aren't you eating? We have to be perfect. And, and I think that's just the type of person she is prior to even realizing that he's sick of, you know, concentrate on this. You can't see Nick that often. And so she just makes things worse. I think she also like actively just doesn't want to acknowledge it. Like coming from a household where, I mean, still to this day of I love you, but I don't accept whatever. It gave me very much that vibes where it's like, yeah, I love you because you're like my kid, but like, I don't accept who you are or what's going on with you, so I'm just going to pretend that everything is fine.

56:55 You know what I mean? That like awful thing that religious people, well, not just religious people, but it's like love, hate the sin, not the. Love the Sinner, hate the sin. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that mentality that that's the the feeling I got from her. Maybe not like that super intense because towards the end it does seem like she came around a little bit or at least is more willing to not judge him completely, which is fantastic. We love that for old Charlie Spring growth. Yeah, growth. But I think they handled, not handled, but portrayed what he was going through really, really well. Episode 4, that's really when he's like getting the treatment and everything. And I love that you get it from both perspectives because I think that is so important.

57:40 There was a moment where it's Nick's perspective, I believe 1st, and he's writing it. It's like going through the months and everything and he's like, this really helped him. He's doing amazing and blah, blah, blah. But then you get to Charlie's point of view and he's not at the point that Nick is saying he's at. And I think that is really important and kind of like, Oh yeah, like you could assume that or they could be saying that, but it's not the case. Yeah. And I also think they did a really great job of illustrating the the ups and downs that come with sort of any type of recovery, you know, and I think that illustrating the fact that even in the beginning, right, finally Nick and Charlie having the conversation and then finally Charlie telling his parents, they took him to like a General practitioner, but then to go to a specialist. It was like months away, you know, and a lot of money. And then there was an emergency, you know, and so they had to put him into a, a treatment, a place to get treatment. But even once he, he leaves the treatment center, he has relapses because, you know, it's, it's an eating disorder compounded with self harm and so and OCD and OCD And so there's just so much that goes into it.

58:55 It's not like you, you go to the place, you come back, you're perfect. You know, it's so important that they showed that. And I, and I think with any, with anything, there's that outside perspective of, you know, especially in this case, just eat something. What's wrong? Just eat something. But it, it's not, you know what I mean? There's just so much that Charlie is dealing with. And so it's you're not only you're trying, he's trying to balance his own healing, but he's also trying to balance the the thoughts of others around him. And also like trying to progress his relationship with somebody that he is head over and heals love with. So it was, it was a very like it was a heavy season in that there was so much emotion and growth and like hurt and love that went into the season that I really wasn't expecting.

59:44 I didn't expect it to get as serious as it did, but I like that it did because it's not all again, sparks and great needle drops and everything, which again though the show does real well. It gets that music done down so well. It gets those little the little animations. Anyway. Yeah, they were just like, I mean. What are we going to say? I think The thing is, though, is that this season brings all of the pastel charm of the first two seasons, but then grounds it in in very real storylines of what these folks are going through. And I think that if you've also grown with the season, that is a change that I don't want to say it was needed, but I think is something that was welcomed by the viewers.

1:00:31 And I think that there was still that joy and that love and that great queer community and chosen family. But I think within that, these are still people who are dealing with things, some outside of of their identities and others within their identities. And I think that all of life's journey is this. Yeah. You know, And I think that, man, when you're 16 and come out of the closet, that shit is scary. And then you're dealing with school pressure and front pressure and everything else on top of it. So life is freaking complicated. Also, Nick is a little older and he's on his way out of high school. So it's like, what does that look like? Anything else with Nick and Charlie? I feel like we, we waited so long to get to them and it was just like, I mean, I oh, the physical side, I feel like this has been building and building and building, right? It's like, OK, they're together winner like, which is weird, right?

1:01:27 It's like they're kids like, but also they're kids. We've all been there. I really appreciated that when they do finally, like, get intimate with each other, or at least completely, like, pants are gone, right? That I think Charlie asks Nick is like, does it count as sex if it was just touching or something like that? And I like that Nick was like, yeah, it does. It does. It 100% does. Especially I feel like as queer couples, you got so many things that you can do. Like, you know, like anything can be considered. I yeah, I, it's funny because I was, I, I think what hard supper also makes me do, I don't know if it does this for you, but it makes me reflect on my early relationships, especially my first one.

1:02:14 And I was like, you know, because the realization that over three seasons is like, we've just gone to over a year of them being together, right? So although it's been years for us in making this production in their relationship, it's only been a year. So I was thinking like, oh gosh, how long was I in my first relationship before I lost my virginity? You know, it was definitely a lot less you. Lost your virginity in every new relationship? Well, just, well, listen, you don't have to be in a relationship to lose your virginity. No, it just so happened that mine were the same. I'm I'm teasing you because the way you said it was like each time I was in a relationship, I lost my virginity. Well, you know I am an Angel, so. Anyway, yeah, I, I really liked that they had that open conversation with it and then like they talked about it and they were going further from that. And there's also nothing like having your your girlfriends around you and then making it by condoms and Lube. I mean, listen, that was a very grown up journey that he went on with Tara and Imogen, right?

1:03:22 Is they went to go explore different universities. Elle was there too. Oh, that's right, Elle was there too. And on that journey, condoms and Lube, which I think, you know, to be completely honest, as a teenager I was not embracing Lube, which I think that's a very important lesson. Because again, they need kids, need proper sex education, and I loved it in the show. They called it out because they weren't, they didn't learn anything. Yes, it is important to know how condoms work. Of course go further than that. Talk to them about condoms. Do not prevent everything. You should use Lube even when using a condom like.

1:04:04 Yeah, it just like I was like, yeah, as teenagers, you should know that Lube is a thing. Like there's something about, I feel like especially with straight people, I feel like this is a thing where when Lube is brought up or like in the conversation of sex, it makes it dirtier or less likely to be talked about because like that's like, that means like you're actually going to have sex. I don't know. It's like so bizarre. I feel like any conversation or I've heard conversations or where it's like, oh, they did it or whatever and it's like something with Lube comes up and then it's like, Oh no, no, no, like a little this got weird. It's like Lube made it weird. I don't know.

1:04:45 I don't know much about straight sex so. I just, I do. People are weird. I don't know, like and especially like in a school setting, I feel like it's like once you start bringing things that just aren't the penis, the vagina in a condom, then it's like too much. True. I mean, I, I enjoy like if you go to like a local LGBT center, like not only sometimes will they have the bowl of condoms, but they'll also have a bowl of little Lube packets, which is like beautiful. Also like how to douche? Yes people need to learn that. Do not flood yourself or the love of God. Dear Lord, be careful.

1:05:28 We'll just make a sex education not done by sex experts. Exactly. So that's the new spin off. I don't know if that's going to be helpful at all. It's just going to be me going so wait, what is what happens in straight sex and and then being like lube's important. All right, OK, we're wrapping this up, right? Oh. Sorry, we're we're wrapping it up on Lube. God, yeah. Well, not yet. There are things some things that I feel like me as a Heart Supper fan and fan of this podcast, I'm going to assume that people would be upset if we don't mention Halloween, Halloween costumes. We have to talk about the Halloween costumes for a second kick. Connor, America. Come on, Captain America, great. They're like, you know, I, I watched, I saw some scenes from season 1.

1:06:16 He looks so different. Oh yeah. Now they're growing up. Yes, and of course he's working out like a madman because he's like a star. So like him in that Captain America suit. You're like, good for you, kick Hunter. Right. Yeah. And I also love that he did it because he knows that Charlie doesn't like Marvel, Right? Is that the thing? Like that's the joke is like, he's not into Marvel. And he's like, well, I'm going to wear this now because you're not here. And we all know our Little Joe Locke is starring in a Marvel series right now. But I'm Cha. Yeah, they're really hitting us with the jokes. This season I just, I love the Halloween episode. I love it when shows like this, when we love the cast so much, does like holiday stuff.

1:06:57 I don't know, it's just like it's. Fun. Yeah. And like, those four and five were very heavy on holidays, and so that was fun to see them celebrating in that way. It makes us feel closer to them. It's like I celebrate those holidays, too. I know that. Two more things. Oliver is here and got a mention. I do know from what Derek has said and I've seen online, Oliver is technically supposed to be Charlie's younger brother but he's their cousin I guess on the show. Which is I feel like interesting, but makes sense to me. So just think of poor Tori in the book universe of Heart Stopper, where she is constantly worried about two younger brothers. Yikes, it's too much.

1:07:37 Good thing she only has to worry about Mario Kart with one of them. And then one of the last things that I will mention is Henry. Oh, the pugalicious baby. Yeah, Nick got a new little baby, sweet little Angel named Henry, and that pug was whiling out this entire time. It was so cute. Noah brought my attention to the fact that especially there's a scene where they're all on the couch and it's both Henry and Nelly, the other dog, and they're just both staring in the same direction, so you know there was just some handler off the side getting their attention. It was so cute though. You'll get your bacon if you just. Oh, OK, so MVP for the season, who's your MVP? Oh. My gosh.

1:08:18 Oh, I I mean Nick. Nick is my MVP for the season. I feel like he's your MVP every season. Well. Yeah, he's just the golden retriever of. Human is that he is so far, you know, through most of the series, he's what you want in a partner. He's supportive, he's willing to listen to you. He's going to talk. He's not going to pressure you into anything. He's like. Wow. Who I want to be. Wow. In a relationship. He's like, he's what you want in a relationship, not. I didn't say I am that. I don't think either of us are that sorry. You're not supportive. You're not.

1:08:59 I know. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Who's your MVP? I'm fine. Oh man, as soon as I said it, I'm like, Oh no, I have to say one too. Tori. I loved it. I think acting performance so good, which is like fun for that type of character because for two seasons really now she's just been like sipping a drink and like saying one liners. But ever since the dinner with Nick's family and that stupid fucking older brother that I still can't stand and she told him off, ever since then I was like, I liked you before, I'd love you now. You know, the interesting thing about our 2 picks, and this is something I've been kind of reflecting on with this season, is, you know, Charlie is the one that is dealing with an eating disorder.

1:09:48 He's he's going through that journey. But what this season showed us, and not in a selfish way, is that when people truly love you and care about you and you're going through something very difficult, it affects them as well. And I think they were two of the characters, at least of our main characters beside his parents, that really had to deal with Charlie going to this facility and, and, and going through what he went through. So I just think it's interesting that we both liked those characters who were really going through the most. Yeah. And I I think, yeah, because it did. They got a lot of screen time too, you know, also, last thing I know, I already said one last thing. Last thing, what do you think is going to happen? We got the little the girls trip. I will say to all the UNI's it did seem like everybody, even though they all love Charlie, they were all like hey Nick, you're amazing but like Charlie can't be your whole world. What are you going to do?

1:10:50 Are you going to leave? Are you going to pick a university that's like leads Kent? Like which one are you going to pick? And what does that mean for Charlie? What does it mean for our heart stop heart stopper couple? What do you think? Do you know? Oh, no, no. OK. So what do you think? I know. I think he's going to go to a college and then it's going to be that type of thing. I'm not looking at your face because you're not telling me, but I hope you're not. I think he's going to go to a college and then it's going to be, again, that other part of a relationship of how do you do it long distance? How's that work?

1:11:31 That's going to be really upsetting. Oh my God. That's scary. I remember going through that. It was very scary to think about, even with friends. Friends leaving hard. Oh my God. Well let us know who your MVP was. What do you think Nick is going to do? If you know, do not tell me because I read comments. Do not spoil this for me. We're only allowed to have spoilers you can't give us Yeah. And then also just let us know what you thought of Heartsopper Season 3. I this show, every season gets better and better. I thought I loved it before. This is just too good. Yeah, this storyline just keeps getting better and better. The characters get better and better, the actors get better and better.

1:12:13 So it's just chef's kiss. Can't wait to see it the next installment. Oh, and they're getting them out quicker. Very happy. I know, but that's the hard thing though is that we binge and then you got to wait. I'll watch it again. I feel like we just need to watch all three again. Yeah, get the full experience. Oh my God. All rewatch. So sweet. Oh OK, well bye lovely little messy babies. Yes, all. Just just look around and know that people love you and support you and you got this. Yeah. All right. Till next time, bye Bye bye.