Ironheart Episodes 4 - 6 Review

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I grew up right by a White
Castle, OK, and that is exactly

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what happens there.
Major mayhem, fights and

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apparently robots cooking
burgers.

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That's new.
Automation.

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It's the future.
Wow, take that humans.

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Hello friends, I'm Derek.
That's Noah, and you're

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listening to a Bite of And of
course, we are covering the

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second-half of Iron Heart
episodes 4 through 6.

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That was a quick series.
It was a very quick two weeks,

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crisp, 2 weeks, 3 hours out of
your week.

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I don't think it's been said
that they're supposed to be a

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second season, so we'll see, but
tons to talk about reveals five

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years in the making.
If you've been with us from the

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beginning, something has paid
off.

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Before we get into everything,
make sure you're following us.

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Let us know down below in the
comments or what you thought of

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Ironheart.
Did you like it?

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Did you not like it?
What did you like most?

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Are you and Natalie Stan just
like us?

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And yeah.
So spoilers ahead for MCU,

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Ironheart, and everything in
between.

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So let us officially take a bite
of Ironheart episodes 4 through

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6, created by Chinaka Hodge.
After the heist gone wrong, RiRi

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must deal with the consequences
of Cousin John's death and

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leaving Ezekiel's tech at the
scene of the crime.

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Bent on revenge, Parker becomes
even more consumed by dark magic

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as the identity of his evil
benefactor is finally revealed.

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Revealed.
Revealed it's like they took the

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hood off of the benefactor.
That was a stretch, but it's

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fine.
That was a Reed Richards sized

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stretch, which I'm just going to
real quick.

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I just want to, I know this is
about Rhode Island, Rhode Island

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and about Iron Heart, but we are
finally officially in Fantastic

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Four month.
He's so happy.

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Fantastic Four.
Oh, that thing's hard.

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By the way everyone, I'm wearing
a heart monitor so I myself have

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an iron heart just in case.
I just realized how much it

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sticks out.
I'm just letting everyone know

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all.
Right, General thoughts.

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What did you think about the
second-half to Iron Heart?

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So I think I had said in the
last episode that I thought the

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first 3 episodes were good, but
it took a while for them to get

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good.
Like that third episode really

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paid off.
Whereas I thought that all three

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of these exercises episodes,
wow, all three of these episodes

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were very strong.
So I thought that they kind of

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stood alone.
You know, if this was a week to

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week show, I think that episodes
4-5 and six would have been

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great views on their own.
I mean, they were, it was great

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watching them together, but I
thought that they were all

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really strong.
What did you think?

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That's it.
That's all you have to say.

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General thoughts?
Oh yeah.

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We're going to get into more.
I just wanted to be sure before

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I just like skyrocketed.
Here he goes, Here he goes.

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No, I will keep it.
Yeah, I think in this review and

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discussion of this, we're going
to save that reveal for a little

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into the episode, into our
conversation, because I don't

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want that to consume it because
this is re re show and I don't

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want that to be the only thing
that we talked about, right.

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But that being said, I 100%
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Every episode outdid itself
completely.

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I was 100% enjoying everything I
was seeing the I would say

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honestly, the last episode of
the season was the best episode

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of the show.
And I that's pretty hard to do.

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We started this phase as far as
TV shows goes with Secret

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Invasion and we're ending this
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So they they grew at at some
point, but I'm happy we're

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ending this phase is ushering
out into the next one.

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Yeah.
I think out of the three, for

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me, my favorite was actually #4
Bad Magic.

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I really like the fact that we
needed to see her dealing with

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what the heck she just did
right.

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And she's trying to stay with
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She's trying to be like, I'm a
team player.

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I really don't know what
happened, but you know, it's

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just not working.
And Parker can really see

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through exactly what's going on
with her.

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I also love that in this episode
we get to meet Zelma.

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OK, you can't see down here, but
strange Academy T-shirt here

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that one of my friends has made
and I bought it as soon as I saw

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it.
I I'm telling you, yes, the

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reveal is big when Zelma I I
don't know how Zelma Stanton

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being in the show completely
flew under my radar and I didn't

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know it until I saw her on
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Oh so happy.
I just I'm everything about

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Zelma.
I just love in the comics.

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I love what they did with her in
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But yes, go on, I just love
Zelma.

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Well, just that whole scene I
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we're meeting Zelma, right?
So one of the things that they

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did is in the first episode,
right?

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We meet her mom's best friend
who is just kind of like this

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hippie with the sage kind of
witchy.

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And we're just like, in my head,
I'm like, oh, she's just like

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this funny little character that
they're sticking here.

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But ah, we learned that she's
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And through all these
conversations, we learn Zelma's

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back story.
We learn a little bit of her

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mother's back story and we know
that she has studied with Doctor

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Strange, or at least has been
under the tutelage his his

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tutelage, right.
At some point, but they left,

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which is good because if we know
anything from a Multiverse of

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Madness, you know that place had
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So it's good that they weren't
there.

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Yeah, I agree.
So instead they're running this

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really fun.
By the way, is this not just

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like a very Derek store, like
it's candy and crystals?

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Like, Oh yeah, that's amazing.
Yeah, sweets and readings,

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absolutely.
Yeah, so I would go there for

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sure.
We'd be best friends.

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But I really, really liked her.
And I thought that they did

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some, you know, throughout these
three episodes, there was like a

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little bit of an injection of
humor throughout it that I

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really appreciated.
There was one really funny thing

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that after they've kind of
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is that RiRi has, where between
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kind of like passing the bottle
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And it was just super funny,
just really physical comedy, not

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really commented on.
And I just thought that was

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really fun, especially going
from the heaviness of the

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beginning of the episode.
Yeah, I I liked this start to

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the second-half meeting the
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pleasure and I hope to see Zelma
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Be that if it's a strange
Academy TV show, which I know

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there's been whispers of this
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It it it was finished a couple
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changed some things because the
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trajectory, especially with
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anymore.
So a lot of things have changed.

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So my hope is that this show,
from what I've seen, is a lot of

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people are enjoying it and a lot
of people are liking Selma.

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So it's like Strange Academy,
come on, we need it.

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It would be amazing.
It would just set like a whole

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another different tone for the
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But we have a lot of Avengers
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So I think that's kind of my
thing at the end of this or just

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my thoughts of like, OK, these
things are cool, but like what

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is next for this?
And I'm hoping some of these

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characters we will get to see
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Yeah, I think that's kind of
been our question in these later

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phases is where do these
decisions and these characters

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fit in to the rest of the
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And so I think that's a big
question mark that we have.

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And I would be curious too, but,
you know, something like a

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strange Academy TV show, you
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for the Young Avengers at this
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So like, how far in the future
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Quite disappointed, and this is
my own expectations, that I

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didn't get to see Kamala Khan
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or somebody recruiting her.
And I was like, oh, OK, well, I

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know she's left with a big like,
oh, no.

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But you know, hopefully we'll
see you again.

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But so so you really liked 4 out
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I would say 6 is probably my
favorite, but I liked 5 because

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there's just something about
this fight in this White Castle

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that was a lot of fun.
And I just like seeing the crew

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one last time before, I don't
know, maybe we'll never see him

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again.
But there's a particular moment,

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one when Rui falls on to the
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It spells out Ouch, which was so
funny.

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But I love Shay Coulay Slug
walking away from that the

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vehicle completely unharmed and
be like, you know what?

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I know when to stop.
I'm I'm gone.

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I'm good.
Yeah, when it's when it's you, a

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a fantastic and super
intelligent human looking at a

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giant ironclad Rhode Island,
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I would say turning around is
definitely the best thing to do.

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Yeah, in episode 4, there was
that scene with Natalie

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grounding Rhode Island, Rhode
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showing her a memory with Gary
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head, finding out where that
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And I think that the show did a
really good job of showing the

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battlings with grief and loss
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But then how you do you take
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One thing that I like that they
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that fathers is a big theme in
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And we have Hood trying to
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We have Zeke or Joe or whatever
you want to call him, trying

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everything not to be his father
and then re redoing everything

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in honor of her father.
And I thought that was really a

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nice through line between all of
the other themes and everything

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going on in the.
Show I love that and I I really

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didn't think about that so thank
you for for pointing you're

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welcome making those connections
wow gods like.

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So formal.
We're like in a literature class

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right now.
I love it.

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What does the red suit mean?
But I I love that.

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And I think that really going
into that was important, right?

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Because in the first half of
this season or series, whatever

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you want to call it, we see her
just being so headstrong and

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leaping before she looks.
And it really is all because she

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doesn't want to deal with her
losses.

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And so we really finally have
her mother saying to her, like,

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you have to deal with this
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You have to realize what's going
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And so that's part of Riri's
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I mean, by the end of these
three episodes, do we think that

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she knows how to properly deal
with loss and grief?

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I would say no, no but.
I think that's one thing I

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really liked about Re Re as a
character and how they wrote her

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for this because we don't really
know much about her and Wakanda

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Forever.
We got a little glimpse and

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seeing everything that she's
gone through and things that

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she's constantly having to go
through was really eye opening.

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But it also left us with, oh,
she's a good guy.

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Like she would do good, but it's
like a morally Gray area with

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her.
Like she made bad decisions and

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she continued to make,
especially from what we've seen,

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bad decisions.
And I really appreciate that.

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I appreciate the new things that
they've done with this and not

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just a clear cut.
She's a good guy.

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Like, oh, she's going to make
some bad decisions with like

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robbing stuff or whatever, and
then she'll be good.

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In the end, she's still made a
decision that she knew she

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shouldn't have, but she did it
anyway.

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Yeah.
And, and I think the thing going

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along with that is that, you
know, she's a kid still, right?

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She's in college.
Well, you know, so she's college

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age and I think that.
A little less we're.

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We're allowed to, you know, make
those mistakes when we're young.

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Maybe we're not clearly thinking
things through.

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Make these mistakes.
But you know what I mean?

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So she everything in her mind is
to protect her family.

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Yeah.
And to.

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Yeah, well, her whole everything
around her is like constantly

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not letting her get where she
needs to go.

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So she's doing things to make
sure she does get there.

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I get.
It us as viewers were like,

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that's a stupid decision.
But for her, it makes sense, you

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know?
And so I understand that I'm not

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saying that the things that she
did were right or smart, because

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they definitely weren't.
But I could see the reasoning

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behind it.
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So now let's go to the final
episode here, where I think we

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could talk about the big reveal
finally.

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Yeah.
I think Sasha Baron Cohen as the

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one and only Mephisto was
perfect.

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Perfect casting, the charisma,
the way that the accents kept

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changing the, you know, you
attract more flies with honey as

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opposed to not.
So it's like the the way they're

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portraying this character is
absolutely perfect.

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And I really, really appreciate
that he doesn't look like his

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comic book accurate demon form.
Because at first I was like, oh,

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that's weird.
They're not going to show what

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they did in the spoon, but it
made sense.

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I feel like if he would have
been really demoned out it would

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have been a little too jarring
with how the series was.

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Does that make sense?
Like, did you feel that way?

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I.
Understand.

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Yeah, I and I also think that
there's something to be said of,

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you know, the devil will take on
a form that will make you feel

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most comfortable, right, To make
a deal with it.

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So if a giant red demon with
horns is sitting across from

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you, you might run in the other
direction.

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So for him to be, you know,
Borat is I.

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He looked much more attractive
than Bora.

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It's for it to be Sasha Baron
Cohen.

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I think that, you know, with
that face, I think is makes the

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most sense.
I do hope though, in the future,

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who knows, maybe we've been
waiting five years for Mephisto

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and then this is the last time
we'll be seeing Mephisto.

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But I think it would be really
cool to see him in his full

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Mephisto form.
Yeah, we're going to get it.

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I just I'm curious when again,
we're in this weird transition

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period going into huge Avengers
movies and you know, the next

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Fantastic Four is leading
directly into that.

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So I'm not sure if Mephisto's
going to play any part.

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Could 100% could you know,
Doctor Doom is like the Tekken

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magic merged.
I thought it was really

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interesting that Rhode Island,
Rhode Island in an Iron Heart

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show got Mephisto and Tekken
Magic before we got some of the

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other big stuff.
So again, I appreciate that, but

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then that begs the question of
like, oh, Mephisto, he's clearly

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made deals with other people.
Who else has he made deals with?

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Which is going to be so much fun
to find out who he has just in

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the MCU in general.
But where does that leave this

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character?
Like, is there room for this

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character or are we going to
have to wait?

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Which is fine.
I'm fine with waiting.

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We've waited five years since we
all thought collectively in a

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pandemic that Mephisto and Wanda
Vision.

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We were big perpetrators of that
as well.

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But yeah, I'm I'm curious to see
where he would show up.

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Spider Man, the title of the
next movie is Brand new Day,

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which deals it's taking a title
from a comic.

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I don't know if they'll do the
exact thing, but Mephisto is

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heavily involved in that.
He's not married.

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So it would be we.
I don't know how that story

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would work, but he could.
He could show up in Spider Man.

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That would be really cool.
I think that they should just do

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a Marvel Cinematic special
called like, Oh my God,

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Mephisto.
And then it's just all Mephisto

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all the time.
Well, you know, what's

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interesting is I think in like
2009, it was one of the comic

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cons or something.
But Kevin Feige had said that

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going forward, because, you
know, the Infinity Saga was

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ending and it was like, what's
going to be next?

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And Kevin Feige had said like he
wanted to carve out sections of

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the MCU and, you know, like
supernatural, cosmic, mutant,

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whatever.
And it seems like they're kind

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of doing that still with King
reworking all that.

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I don't know how that's going to
work, but it would be

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interesting if Mephisto was kind
of the supernatural side

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villain.
Obviously he can be involved as

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much as he wants, but I'm kind
of liking that.

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Like there's a big overarching
like thing happening here.

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You know, you could have the
Midnight Suns blade is supposed

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to happen at some point.
We saw what's it called a Black

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Knight at the end of Eternals,
like werewolf by Knight, all of

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those characters.
It's like there's Midnight Sun's

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potential Moon Knight to put
them all there where they don't

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naturally feel like oh, cosmic,
you know.

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So I'd like that.
That could work, but maybe not

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yet.
I'd be really into that.

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I think that would be that's a
really cool idea.

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And you know, in in thinking
about over the last five years,

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all the times that you and I
have been trying to track

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Mephisto, you know, it started
off with Wanda Vision.

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I remember at the beginning of
Loki season 1, right?

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There was like a stained glass
window that had a devil in it.

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We were like, it's Mephisto.
He's behind the Dva, right?

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I think there was also like
maybe in What if I could be

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wrong, they're all blurring,
blurring together.

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But like the Mephisto mentions,
there was like a train at some

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point where it was like that
could be Mephisto mention.

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Anything could have been
Mephisto.

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Yeah, they were wild ride.
But I do, I am proud of us that

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we picked up on that background
Faust poster and we put that out

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there and finally, finally, we
were right.

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I think like, you know, I, I
remember there was, you know,

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the scoopers and everything had
said like Sacha Baron Cohen is

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going to be Mephisto and
Ironheart and everyone is like,

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what are you talking about?
That's too weird.

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It turned out to be true.
But like, I remember seeing that

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and be like, whatever.
Like, of course, like this is

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just going to be another ploy
for like it's going to be

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Mephisto.
Everybody's looking out for him.

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And I think as we were watching
this, I was like, and since

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you're like, can Mephisto fit
into this?

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And I think around Episode 5,
when you start seeing the loss

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and the deal, like kind of going
that way, it's like, oh,

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something is going to happen.
And I was still very much

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surprised when Mephisto was
revealed.

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As soon as I saw it was Sacha
Baron Cohen, I was like, there's

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nobody else he's get.
Who else is he going to play

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besides Mephisto?
Yeah, I mean literally making a

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deal with the devil, right.
And I, I will say my one

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critique is this.
Are you ready?

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It's of course a Derek type
critique is that this whole show

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takes place in Chicago.
If the devil is sitting you down

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at a pizza place in Chicago, why
in God's name would it be a thin

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crust crap pizza instead of a
Chicago deep dish oozing with

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devilish cheese?
You know, what's weird is, so I

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had watched this, we watched
these kind of separately just

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because our schedules were a
little weird.

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And I ended up watching like the
last episode while you were

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watching it.
So I got to look at some things,

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like pizza was weird.
I don't know if they

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intentionally did it or if it
was like a Starbucks cup Game of

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Thrones situation where like
just production just forgot

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about it.
But like there was a moment

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where like he had a deep dish
pizza, but like the pizza that

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was in the middle was like
Tavernish style where it was

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like kind of thin crust.
It was weird.

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Like the pizza in general, it's
just weird.

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I don't know if it was like
intentional or not, but I don't

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want to really open pizza gate
with this because we just got

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Mephisto so.
He's like, I even got a little

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caught up in my head.
I'm like, well, maybe because

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he's the devil, he's not
actually going to give them a

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good piece of pizza because it's
never an actual good deal with

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the devil.
But if we're thinking about

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devilish things and sins, right,
gluttony, we want to be, you

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know, slathered with all of that
deliciousness and oil and cheese

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and sauce.
So it should have been on the.

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Table.
Yeah, I have a food addiction.

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What?
Like he just met me.

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Like what?
Also drinking coffee with pizza.

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Interesting.
You might have had tea.

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OK, let me rephrase it.
Drinking tea with a pizza.

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Why not?
He's British.

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True, true.
That's very true.

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I'll give you that.
All of our British watchers

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slash listeners, do you drink
tea with your pizza?

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Papa with with pizza.
Let's dig into a little bit more

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of this magic side, right?
Because you were saying this

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before kind of bringing the
magic into Iron Heart, but I was

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kind of expecting RiRi in the
suit to have more magical powers

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than than she did.
I was like, did you say what

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your critique was?
Yeah, it was the pizza.

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Very serious critique.
I would my critique here for

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this, for just the series in
general.

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It was very action light and
when the action happened, it was

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fine.
I thought it looked great.

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I did want a little a little bit
more magic because I think in

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the first half when we were
doing this, I said I hope we

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don't get it at the end.
We did and that was just

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something that I want more of.
Obviously I love the magic side

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to the MCU.
I don't know how RiRi would have

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done more magic, but yeah, I I
think like it was enough magic

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for it to be cool.
I love the new suit, but yeah,

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we just got a little, a little
little.

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Bit of it, yeah.
It seemed more like it.

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Like, you know, Zelma was there
to imbue the suit with magic, to

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fight magic, which was great.
And then, you know the part

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where she she tricks Parker, was
that magic or was that some sort

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of technological hologram?
So I agree, I wish that there

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was more magic.
Yeah, I think they did enough,

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but we just got like a taste of
the supernatural.

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We got to taste a little bit of
the horror, a little bit of the

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magic.
That's why I'm curious if it's

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like setting up more because we
did get an end credit scene with

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Parker and Zelma, and I'm not
too sure what this is setting

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up, but it's setting something
up.

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It's just like a very odd and
credit scene with these two

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specifically, especially with
Parker.

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I'm not he doesn't have the
hood.

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What is he going to?
Where is he going to take Zelma?

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Like is he going to use her to
get to Doctor Strange somehow?

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I don't know, but I don't, I'm
not too sure where that leads.

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But yeah, more magic is in the
future.

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I don't know how.
Yeah, I I agree.

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I was, you know, I love and and
credit scene.

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I always think they're exciting.
It gives you a little peek into

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what's happening with these two
characters.

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It was kind of like, huh, And
also I don't know it it it

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seemed like Zelma, while again,
young and powerful, still have

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thought to behind what she was
doing.

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And then like this random guy
walks into her shop and she's

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like, well, what can I do for
you?

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You know, it's like what?
She thought he was hot.

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I thought he was hot.
I would be like, hi, she doesn't

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know who he is.
Hey, I'm just, I'm not going to

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blame her.
What I'm just saying is that

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when RiRi walked into the shot
with a piece of that hood, she

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was like, what do you got in
your pocket?

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Meanwhile, this guy walks in.
No hood.

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But he's got hood veins.
Come on people, use your brains.

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I'm not going to talk.
Nope, not talking I'll of Selma.

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Nope, not at all.
We keep we keep going this way

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and I'm I before we go this way,
we do have to talk about Mr.

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Stain just a little because he
we left him frenemies.

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He told RiRi we're not done yet.
I don't know what that exactly

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means, but he's also a loose
threat in this.

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I like what what I liked this
show did was kind of set up some

447
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,200
of the plot stuff and they all
got handled in the second-half.

448
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,160
But then there's still most of
these characters around.

449
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,520
So I think a lot of the question
marks are what is next for these

450
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,080
characters.
But one thing we do know is that

451
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,160
Natalie, that real Natalie is
alive somehow doesn't have any

452
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,360
of the knowledge from AI
Natalie, which I guess that

453
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:57,960
would make sense and is real.
But we left Rhode Island, Rhode

454
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,760
Island with some of those demon
veins coming out.

455
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,760
I'm not too sure what that means
and where we go from here.

456
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,920
Like we're going to get Avengers
Doomsday and RiRi is just going

457
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,720
to be consumed by a demonic
force.

458
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,360
So there's.
Going to be now another subset

459
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:18,080
of Avenger called the Evil
Avengers and it's going to be

460
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,440
Wanda and Rhode Island, Rhode
Island, and then maybe a couple

461
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,040
other people.
Are you saying Wanda's evil?

462
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,320
Well you know, y'all know I love
Wanda but she really, you know,

463
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,200
you know, can't trust her
anymore.

464
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,720
Yeah, so I I love, I loved
everything about RiRi and

465
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,040
Natalie.
I thought that that whole

466
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,600
storyline was amazing and
beautiful, but it was just such

467
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,800
a somber note that we left on.
I didn't expect that for this

468
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,640
series.
I really, really didn't expect

469
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,760
that and I thought it was quite
impactful.

470
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,800
Yeah, and it, and it was really
interesting because like we were

471
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,680
saying before, we really enjoyed
these three episodes and the

472
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,080
trajectory of them.
It really felt like it was like

473
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,240
building up, building up,
building up.

474
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,400
And then that, like it ends not
with a battle, but it ends with

475
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,880
a conversation.
Yeah.

476
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,360
And it feels.
Yeah.

477
00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:03,520
Well, yeah.
And then we have the

478
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,040
conversation with Natalie as
well.

479
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,000
And it's like, how is that?
How are you going to navigate

480
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,000
that?
Because then they're going to

481
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,160
have to tell Natalie, Gary died,
you died.

482
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,800
I brought you back because I
talked to the devil in a pizza

483
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,320
shop.
Like, it's going to be very

484
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,680
confusing for somebody.
Yeah.

485
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:21,400
And I think for everybody now,
it was like, you know, when the

486
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,040
AI Natalie disappeared, right,
when they imbued the suit with

487
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,000
magic, it almost seemed like
everyone was like, Rhode Island,

488
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,280
Rhode Island, It's OK.
It's not really her.

489
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,840
And so they were OK with that.
But now what is?

490
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,720
How is everyone going to deal
with this memory?

491
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,000
Memory less real human Natalie.
Yeah, well, I mean, it seems

492
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,920
like everything prior to
unfortunately when she had

493
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:48,720
gotten shot, she is her.
I'm I'm not looking forward to

494
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,680
if we see it, maybe we won't.
I don't know how this is going

495
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,960
to work, but when Xavier finds
out that his sister is alive,

496
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,960
that's going to be rough.
That's going to be rough,

497
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,120
because then he's going to find
out what RiRi did.

498
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,360
Yeah.
Yeah.

499
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,360
Overall, fantastic.
I think, you know, I I remember

500
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:10,960
saying in the beginning, I like
it and I want to love it.

501
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,680
I ended up loving it.
I think there's so many things

502
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,160
here.
The second-half is just so, so

503
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:16,920
good.
It.

504
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,760
I appreciate the first half
because it set all of it up, but

505
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,480
just adding some of these extra
supporting characters really

506
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,920
helped the show.
It was, it was funny because

507
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,200
like just leaving the crew, like
Parker's crew kind of like, OK,

508
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,840
they're gone.
What's weird is I didn't miss

509
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,480
them.
And I'm not saying like, oh,

510
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,480
they're forgettable, but the
Stanton's and everything, we're

511
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,280
so impactful that it kind of
felt filled that void.

512
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,280
So very good.
I would say this is up there

513
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,080
with like supporting casts for
these MCU shows.

514
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,080
Yeah, I think that like you're
saying this, the supporting cast

515
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,200
really was strong in this.
And, you know, in these two

516
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:59,120
parts, we had two full, you
know, cast of players that I

517
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,240
really enjoyed.
And you know, in the

518
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:06,360
second-half, even having Ezekiel
really kind of literally

519
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:08,680
transform he.
Became all of the things that

520
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,760
all the blueprints he gave Rhode
Island, Rhode Island, they put

521
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:11,800
up inside him.
That's so.

522
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,280
Fucked for real.
I mean, that guy drilled things

523
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,120
into his head that was pretty
rough, but I I thought that that

524
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,680
character is really interesting.
And and that's the thing about

525
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,360
this series is that there's so
many question Marks and Rhode

526
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:30,280
Island, Rhode Island kind of has
a lot of adversaries that are

527
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,920
still out there.
So what does that mean for Rhode

528
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,280
Island?
Rhode Island, You know, there's

529
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,920
Mephisto, there's Stain, There's
Parker.

530
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,600
Well.
Mephisto's not her adversary.

531
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,480
He got what she wanted and she
got what he wanted.

532
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,240
I guess I should say she has
people that are going to be.

533
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,280
Oh no, I know what you mean.
Her good.

534
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,520
He's just not going to actively
even give two shits about her

535
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,200
like he has her soul now, so
bye.

536
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,200
How do you get it back?
Yeah, that's, I think that's

537
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,360
going to be the biggest thing.
I don't know if originally it

538
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,200
was all leading or some parts
were leading to like Strange

539
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,200
Academy or what that was going
to look like.

540
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,280
Like was a King variant supposed
to be in the show of some sort?

541
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,760
I don't know.
So I think if they're going to

542
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,440
have Iron Hearts or RiRi be
involved in some of these

543
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,000
Avengers movies, they're going
to have to figure out a way to

544
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,000
solve that problem, like get her
out of the contractor, get her

545
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,760
sold back somehow.
So leading up to that point,

546
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,040
I've no idea how that's going to
happen.

547
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,160
Yeah, if it's going to happen.
It's just a big old question

548
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,680
mark.
Yeah, I will give this 4:00 to

549
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,840
5:00.
I'll give it three out of five.

550
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,960
Nice.
Yeah, Three hearts out of five.

551
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,400
Four hearts out of five.
But let us know what you thought

552
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,520
of Ironheart.
I think it's only going to be

553
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,440
one season, Boo.
But we will see them again,

554
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,880
hopefully in a Champions or
Young Avengers, whatever they're

555
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,360
going to call it.
I'm excited for the future for

556
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,920
this.
But also, Fantastic Four comes

557
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,520
out this month, so yay.
So it will definitely be

558
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,200
overshadowed.
No, never for me, no.

559
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,880
No, it's just going to be like
in full Fantastic Four merch the

560
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,680
next time you see him, you know?
That girl.

561
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,560
Popcorn buckets.
You know that girl that is that

562
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,400
meme forever of like getting
ready for whatever that I'm

563
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,080
that's me.
You will be saying it's just

564
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,280
going to be covered.
I already have Fantastic Four

565
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,560
comics up here, it's just going
to be covered.

566
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,760
I can't wait to see it.
Just Pedro's face.

567
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,760
Behind me, you and all your fan.
Fan fantastic for joy.

568
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,880
Thank you.
OK, Let us know what you

569
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:32,920
thought.
Goodbye.