‘Loki’ Season 2 Episode 5 Science/Fiction | Marvel

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Very special guest.
I had to like speed through that

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housekeeping because I'm very
excited to talk about this

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episode.
I'm very excited.

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Introduce Ron, who is the
founder and editor in Chief of

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POC Culture.
Hello.

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Hi, Noah.
Thanks for having me.

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Of course, I'm very excited to
hear your thoughts on this

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because you have seen a month
ago the first four episodes, so

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this is the first one where
you're coming in fresh with the

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rest of us normal people.
So I'm very excited.

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Yeah, I'm very excited.
I mean it's it's I still watch

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them weekly.
So it's a it's a fun experience.

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But obviously, yeah, I got a
chance to screen the first four

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episodes I'll seems like forever
ago and then I'm just sitting

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there waiting for the next thing
to happen.

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So it's.
I've had to wait a long time.

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Yeah, well, so we have one
episode left.

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So before we get in, everything,
spoiler alert.

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So everything from Loki, Season
one, Season 2, the entire MCU,

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and anything else we want to
bring up is going to be spoiled.

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So if you have not watched it,
go watch it come back.

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All right, let's take a look
back of Loki Season 2, Episode

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4.
The heart of the TVA.

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Timely Tip toes into the TVA and
meets his author Idol OB.

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The pair and Casey work on
saving the temporal loom.

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Renslayer convinces Brad to join
her and Miss Minute shows her

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sadistic side giving docs The
Big Squeeze.

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Loki and Sylvie discuss what it
means to be gods, and after a

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cup of cocoa, Timely, Timely's
time to be brave is cut short.

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As he cuts to ribbons, time
explodes.

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So Derek wrote this.
So he I was like, you have to do

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your recap, 'cause he always
does it.

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So I had no idea what this said
going into it.

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So already blame the tongue
twister.

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Already blame Alrighty.
So let's officially take a bite

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of Loki.
Season 2, Episode 5 Science

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Fiction Directed by Justin
Benson and Aaron Morehead

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Written by Eric Martin.
All right.

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How have you felt about the
season so far?

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Yeah, I mean, I've definitely
enjoyed it.

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I think Loki was my favorite
Disney Plus MCU series that has

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come out thus far anyway, and so
it's kind of crazy to think that

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was our second series ever.
And the first two, obviously One

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Division and Loki set a pretty
high standard that some of the

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other shows haven't done quite a
a good job of maintaining the

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quality.
We won't talk too much about

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Secret Invasion I'm sure, but
I've enjoyed the season for

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sure.
I I like Loki.

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And of course, how can I not be
happy with MCU series that

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finally has Kihei Quan starring
in a in a pretty big role?

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100% agree.
Also, I always forget that Loki

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was the 2nd show that we got
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That is insane.
Yeah, it's crazy because they

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kicked off everything with such
on such a positive high and we

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were all, you know, quarantined
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pandemic feeling pretty bored
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And I think those two series
were so awesome to get us

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through that tough time.
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positive.
And then obviously as you and I

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both know, since we kind of chat
fairly regularly that the tenor

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has shifted considerably.
And so it's almost like a weird

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full circle that we now have
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When the tenor of the MCU has
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It's insane that it's like one
of the best MCU properties is

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currently happening.
But then we keep hearing it's in

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shambles and it's like, but but
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So which one is it?
How did you feel about episode

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5?
So your initial reaction.

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Yeah.
So one of the things that I

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think is pretty consistent in
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MCU series in general, and I
think a lot of people echo this

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online, is that I do think the
series are too short.

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I don't like just having six
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I often think like I wish we had
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to give these series time to
breathe and the characters to

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develop more.
You know, a lot of times you get

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these complaints of longer
series like, oh, that was a

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filler episode.
And we even get it with the six

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episode ones, frankly.
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I think.
I don't think they're filler

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episodes.
I think usually they have

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critical character development.
I think there are important

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moments that allow the audience
to really connect and fall in

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love with the characters.
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that as much, even if the
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was.
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was over 50 minutes, but I I
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And so, although I I really did
enjoy the episode, it was so

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full of things to chew on, I
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little bit like I wish we got
this episode one episode

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earlier, or that we had like two
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because obviously there's a
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Seems like we're heading towards
something very important and

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critical, not just for the
series, but for the MCU at

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large.
But how are they going to deal

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with all of that it with one
episode left is my concern.

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Yeah, IA 100% agree.
I feel like we got some of

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Loki's biggest character
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also the whole band of the TVA,
right?

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And it's like, we got to finally
be like, I've cared about these

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characters, but I really care
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they come from.
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almost so far with the
multiverse is of course I'm

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going to root for the sacred
timeline.

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Of course I'm going to root for
our timeline.

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It's sad when others get pruned,
but, like, they're kind of just

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telling us and I needed to see
it.

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And so I'm glad we finally got
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But like you said, with the six
episodes, so much has happened

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in these last two that whatever
is going to happen in the sixth

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one is going to be insane.
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Where are we going to go from
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And then how long do we have to
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The strike is still happening.
So what's going to happen?

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We have Echo coming.
I don't know if this is going to

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really actually address what's
happening in this, but I thought

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this episode was probably one of
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I'm I'm going to have to wait
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one of my favorites because of
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exposition that we got so well
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Yeah, definitely it it was
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It was well shot.
I mean, the cinematography was

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excellent.
I mean the scene where there's

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so many scenes that were just
framed so nicely, like at the

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towards the end or maybe this is
midway when OB and Loki are like

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sitting face to face trying to
figure it out in their little

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lab situation.
I thought that was really well

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shot.
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record shop and you see the
spinning and where's the camera

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spinning above her?
It's just, I mean, it was

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gorgeous.
So absolutely it was super well

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done.
I really enjoyed it.

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We'll see.
We'll see what happens.

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I I'm, I think I'm at a point
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being super enthusiastic about
any episode until we get to the

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very end.
Because frankly, even Secret

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Invasion, I really enjoyed like
the first two episodes, I got to

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see those as a Screener, just
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And I thought, oh man, that's a
great start.

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Like I I could see where they're
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And then it almost felt like
they just like, ejected, like

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they just gave up halfway
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They're like, yeah, we're good.
We're not doing that.

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And I so obviously I was
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We'll see what happens with look
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plane, but we'll have to see how
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Yeah.
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good point.
I think one of the consistent

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criticism so far with the MCU
shows is it starts strong and

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then gets a little wobbly and
then the payoff is like, OK, but

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but what does that actually
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Or like this was weird.
I don't understand how this

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connected to this.
So, but I do have to agree that

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Record Shop, it is so good.
It did make me a little dizzy,

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but I thought it was really well
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I really like that one.
So the opening scene of this

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episode with Natalie Holt's
score, absolutely fantastic.

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We see Loki completely by
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He's all alone.
And then he starts time slipping

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again, which I think is really
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It's almost like it just
reverted him back to when he was

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time slipping.
So I'm kind of curious if it's

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ever going to address why he's
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always able to have that
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the TVA gave him that ability or
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Yeah, that's a really good
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to address it from the
perspective I really loved O BS

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whole questioning about like the
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how versus the why and all of
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It it was, to me, reminiscent.
I don't know if you were a fan

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of Lost, but there was an
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faith.
And I love that kind of

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dichotomy that Obi brought to
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But it is weird, right?
Because if the ending of episode

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4, when everything apparently
just like falls apart and then

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so then where was Loki?
Why is he We still don't really

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know why he's time slipping and
what that what the implications

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are that of that are, you know?
If he can control it, can he

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control it going forward?
Like, is that a power now he has

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that he's turned into, like, I
don't know, Doctor Who or

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something, like quantum life or
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There's a lot of questions about
the background that I don't know

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if they're gonna have time to
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Yeah, I I have always said that
Loki has the potential to be the

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MC US Doctor Who because I'm a
huge Doctor Who fan but that's

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also just merged the comics.
But yeah, I I I think it's gonna

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be interesting going forward to
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And in this episode we see that
he's able to control it, which

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is really cool.
But exactly what does that mean?

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And is that too overpowered?
I think only time is going to

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tell, of course, literally.
But this, the opening scene with

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everything spaghettifying was
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I think now we're starting to
finally feel like is it

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necessarily Kang doing it?
I don't know, because the TVA

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was like, this is a fail safe.
But I think like Kang and the

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TVA as a whole are terrifying.
I think this episode really gave

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us a look at like, no, this
isn't just dusting with Thanos

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where beings are going to go
away, all realities are going to

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unravel.
So I think it was good for us to

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finally see, like, this is
what's going to happen if things

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aren't corrected.
But again, it's all that thing

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of like free will.
What is it?

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Can I control it?
Is it a good thing?

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So I'm excited to see if they're
going to address that or if

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we're going to have to wait
until Avengers King Dynasty for

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that actually to happen.
Yeah, and how did you feel about

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the the emotional weight of the
when we see like the spaghetti

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fighting?
Because I was a little mixed on

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that.
It was very reminiscent of, you

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know, the blip of the snap and
you know, all the characters

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going to Ash and disappearing.
It felt very similar.

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It was also reminiscent of
Multiverse of Madness when we

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saw like.
Reid Sorry.

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Other Reid gets like,
spaghettified himself.

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And so there were I, I think it.
I don't think it was

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intentionally referential, but
it seemed kind of similar to

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that, which made me feel a
little like, almost like, ah,

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we've kind of seen this sport
before, and I don't know how

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much I care because to your
point, we haven't.

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How much do we care about these
different universes and these

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different characters?
Yeah.

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I I mean I do think it's
interesting that if going

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forward the next big thing is
going to be like these universes

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unraveling, right.
It is reminiscent of what Thanos

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did because things are just
going to go away now it's just

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on a more it's it's on a bigger
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So it's like that morality
clause of like do we care,

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should we care.
We want these people to like, I

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don't know, our 616 to actually
make it, but I don't know.

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I, I mean I had to kind of
talked about on an earlier

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episode.
It's like should they, I don't

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know, be like oh this actually
took place in this universe.

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So like, you know we should care
about it because of this.

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Because in this episode we see
some of our people on branch

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timelines and it was enough for
me to care about those

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characters.
But I don't know necessarily for

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those worlds.
I know that might sound weird

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but I, I, I, I'm kind of with
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Like I almost need a little
more.

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And I think without a face to
it, without Kang being like I'm

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doing this, then I mean it.
It is kind of just spaghetti

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almost.
Yeah, it really makes you wonder

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about King's rule and all of
this.

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Even of course, outside of all
the, you know, off camera issues

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and all that going on, it's
we're we're almost at the end of

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Season 2 and there's it's not
clear at all like who the actual

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villain is.
What's the villainous act that's

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happening?
Beyond the repercussions of the

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season one finale, right?
Like to this point, that's what

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we're dealing with.
We're dealing with Sylvie's

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actions, the result of Kane, you
know, being stabbed, and then

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all the different branch
timelines being created.

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That's what we're seeing here.
But it's like, is there an

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actual villain here that's
actually causing certain things?

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Is there a true plan?
They keep saying well we have to

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stop Kane but.
It's not clear what that means

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and so I think there are certain
elements like this.

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This season, Eddie has been
really good from a character

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perspective.
The performances have been

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incredible.
I love the tone and and the the

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visuals of it all, but I do
think that from a story telling

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like a large art perspective,
there's a lot of threads that

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are a little loose and I'm not
sure they're going to be able to

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tie them again to the point with
one episode left.

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Yeah, I do worry that it's
whatever is going to happen in

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the season finale, we're going
to have to wait a little bit to

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actually see how this is going
to affect it, because even with

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some of the MCU shows, they've
taken place at different points

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in time.
So it's like we're getting stuff

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from the multiverse or different
characters, but where are the

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repercussions from this big
stuff that's happening with Ant

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Man or Loki?
Why aren't we kind of seeing

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that connect almost?
So I am curious to see you going

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forward, how they're going to do
it or even, you know, there's

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that talk of, you know, maybe
they won't use Kang and they'll

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just pivot somewhere else.
I'm not for that.

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Like I just either want them to
recast because laying all this

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groundwork to then be like
sorry, we're going to move it

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this way.
I don't.

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I don't see them doing that.
But I hope they don't just

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recast, you know, goo goo and
Baatharah is right there.

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Totally, yeah.
And we talked about that on On

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Socials I think earlier this
week.

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It's like they can just say of
of all the times that you can

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recast, it makes the most sense
right now with this character.

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And they can wrap it up in a
third season of Loki, or in the

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intro of some other show or film
where it's just like it turns

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out, the actual mastermind.
The mastermind behind that

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mastermind is Ravana, and she
turns out to be a variant.

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There's so many easy ways.
I feel like they could do this

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and I agree with you.
Like ultimately we know Kang

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Dynasty is supposed to be the
next Avengers film.

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They would have to totally scrap
that in order to to fully pivot.

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And I mean, on one hand we've
seen it, right?

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Like Ultron is a major villain
and he was disposed of in in one

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film, introduced and disposed.
Now they can bring him back

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because of the nature of the
character, but.

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I just feel like with Kang, it's
just odd if they just

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dramatically dump it and shift
to Doom or some of the other

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characters that I obviously
they've had planned, but now

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they're going to expedite.
It Seems odd, yeah.

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And I think it would be really
odd to be like, Doom is the

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villain.
Where's the Fantastic Four?

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You know what?
I'm like he kind of it.

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It'd be weird to introduce him
way before the Fantastic Four.

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So I guess we'll see.
But I mean, I think we're on the

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same boat of like just either
recast or like, figure it out

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but don't pivot because that'd
be a little odd.

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So in this episode, we get to
see what our TVA pals actually

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were doing on the timeline, or
at least a version of it, right,

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'cause it's a branch timeline.
So the first one I want to talk

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about, of course, is Casey.
So Casey is in 1962, escaping

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Alcatraz.
I didn't expect him to be a

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criminal that would be put in
Alcatraz, but I love it.

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But I love the callback to
episode one.

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I'm not sure if you caught it.
When they're escaping with the

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two other people, he's like, oh,
they're going to get you like a

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fish.
Loki said that exactly to Casey

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in the first episode.
And he's like, what's a fish?

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So the callback.
It's just so good.

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They're writing again.
I love that.

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They just like kind of took that
from the first episode.

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But what do you think about
Casey just being somebody from

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Alcatraz and being like a
kleptomaniac?

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Good call.
I totally missed that reference.

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That's really cool.
I I love that.

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It was definitely unexpected.
It was funny.

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I think it was good to be able
to see like the different

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characters in different times of
like the like the different eras

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of time, right?
Like the 60s or whatever it was

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at different times.
It's fun to see that.

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I thought it was just good for
comedic relief, right?

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Because he's just like trying to
break out.

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And then I really love the scene
where he's like, so we can just

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like go anywhere with this thing
like.

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And they totally thought he
stole it, which obviously we

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were.
We were led to to be misdirected

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that way.
So I thought it was really

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amusing.
I mean, I I don't this will be a

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larger theme.
We could talk about it with the

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other characters.
Like I think back to our point

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about like caring about the
Branch universes.

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I think I would have felt more
conflicted if all the characters

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were living their best life.
Like, it was truly something

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where I was like, oh man, you
got to leave them alone.

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This is what they've always
wanted.

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But in fact, seems like none of
the characters were living their

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best life except, you know,
except maybe Hunter B-15.

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Like she was living a great
life.

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But other than that, I don't
know.

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It's a little bit of a mixed
bag.

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What did you think that that's
really true?

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Because so Hunter B-15 who is in
2012 New York, NY, which we know

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what happens in 2012 in New York
is a doctor.

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You know Doctor Willis, and it
was great to see.

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But with Mobius, he's a a single
dad with two kids.

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He's like a sales manager at a
jet ski dealership, but like,

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they aren't really living their
best lives.

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That's a good point.
Like, he seems sad that his wife

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has gone, His kids, especially
Kevin, is a jerk and like, won't

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listen to him half the time.
So, yeah, that that's actually a

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really good point.
I didn't, I didn't even actually

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think about that.
Yeah, well.

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First of all, many kids are
jerks.

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So that's just true for me.
All kids.

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All kids are jerks.
Yeah, right.

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We know the meme, we know the
meme.

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But I I think that one
particularly was poignant,

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right?
Because I know.

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I felt like there was a conflict
in the writing there because

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they were trying to make it so
that Loki would have the

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conflict of like, do we we
should?

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Get them out of here.
We should wake them up because

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their life kind of sucks.
Like Mobius's life in the TVA is

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better than his life, you know
in this branch timeline.

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So I feel like it was a
reasonable writing to have him

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be conflicted.
But then I think from the

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audience perspective it left us
less conflicted because again,

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it made us feel like, yeah,
Mobius's life kind of sad when

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he's when he ends up actually
being recruited back to Obi's

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lab.
I know he's not.

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I can't remember.
His name is not Obi in the thing

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but in the branch timeline, but.
He was like trying to sell more

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Jet skis still.
And I'm like, oh man, this is

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just a sad existence.
Like, get him back to the TVA.

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He only cares about Jet skis.
That's his only purpose.

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I mean, I I guess that is true,
right?

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It's like, yeah, they showed
that he had kids, which is sad.

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Not that he has kids, but like,
OK, if that universe goes away,

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he doesn't have kids anymore.
But.

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With oh, and even showing Obi,
think his name is AD and and his

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branch timeline, he's literally
having to hide books and put

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them on the shelves and then
fake buy them because nobody

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wants to buy them.
And it's like, OK, yeah, great,

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not living his best life.
And then later on his wife

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leaves them because he's trying
to save the multiverse, which if

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we're going to point out
villains in the show so far, I'm

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going to say it's those
booksellers because.

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So it's so rude to be like get
your books out of here and you

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get out of here.
I'm like, he's just trying to

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sell his books.
Come on, I would read it.

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I would.
I love sci-fi and fantasy like

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give it to me.
So with what do you think about

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the concept of do you think that
Loki's time slipping has to do

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with a specific person or with
him him controlling it?

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Like is it he had to believe in
himself and like The Who is

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actually him or is it like OB/AD
said, we need to get the the

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people together, you know, the
pens and put them in a cup.

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Do you think it's more about
like focusing on a person

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because he was time slipping to
all of his friends and where

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they were at?
Right.

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And there was that whole point
about the auras and and all

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that.
What if Loki's time slipping is

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actually the fail safe?
The TVA fail safe that we you

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know we see in the first episode
in the opening scene because if

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you think about it it started
when all the branch line

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timeline started right.
So it starts in episode one of

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the season which is a result of
the of the finale of season one

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right.
So we all the branch line

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timelines are starting and I
feel like it would it could make

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sense if once that happens there
the fail whatever the fail safe

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is begins.
And then they have a set number

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of time where they need to get
it under control.

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And he I could see him being the
key to that because even at the

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end of Episode 4, like why is he
the one that remains you know

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pun unintended because he who
remains but why is he the one

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who?
Yeah, The Who who remains like

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I.
There has to be something there

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and I feel like he clearly is
the linchpin of all this, so

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maybe he is the fail safe and
it.

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It's an interesting thought too
with the season finale from the

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first one of you know he Who
remains was saying I planned

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everything, everything was me
getting you to this point.

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So is the larger question he who
remains or Kang or timely or

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whoever still pulling the
strings behind the curtain or

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does the TVA just kind of select
the best case scenario which is

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in then Loki?
That's actually a really

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interesting thought.
I didn't think about the fail

448
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:47,440
safe being Loki because then we
see the spaghettification of

449
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,120
this, you know, everything.
So that's actually a really good

450
00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:52,360
point.
But I think it it also goes into

451
00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:54,360
the thing of everybody's talking
about it right.

452
00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:57,640
And we're getting like the God
of stories, which I think is an

453
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,920
interesting concept to think
about.

454
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,320
I'm not sure if ultimately like
are we really going to put this

455
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,800
guy on like 4th wall breaking
narrative rewriting status

456
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,960
because then what does that
actually look like when it comes

457
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,640
to big level threats?
Like, can he just be like, Nope,

458
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,880
just going to take this out of
existence or go back.

459
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,960
So I think it's an interesting
thing to think about, but or it

460
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,640
just might be a variation of
that, right?

461
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,080
Yeah, it's like Kevin from She
Hulk, but on another level.

462
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,360
I mean so like we're going to
have what, three 4th wall

463
00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,080
breaking characters by the time
we get to like King Dynasty,

464
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,160
that's going to be they're just
going to have their own side

465
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,840
quest going on at.
This point, they're going to

466
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,320
jump out of the screen and
they're going to like talk while

467
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,600
the screen is behind them.
It's going to be, I mean, I

468
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,560
guess it could happen and it
could be amusing, but yeah, I I.

469
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,160
I think to your point about
like, is King still in control?

470
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,640
I think it's really interesting
because this whole episode was

471
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,440
very like existential, right?
And it was also like about

472
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:56,880
purpose, like what is your
purpose?

473
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,080
And and I really like following
Sylvia and Loki's conversation

474
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,280
about being gods like they are
gods.

475
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,000
And here we see them actually
have a God like conflict.

476
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:13,200
Which is do I?
Manipulate their lives, the

477
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,000
lives of my friends, and awaken
them away from this world

478
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,880
because I want to right back to
the selfishness that they taught

479
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,080
me, because I want to do it at a
God's whim.

480
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,280
Do I ruin, threaten, ruining
their lives or do I leave them

481
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,960
be?
And what's the God thing to do?

482
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,040
And then again, to your point,
like who?

483
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,080
Who's actually in control behind
these gods?

484
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,000
Like, is it king who's
manipulating them to make these

485
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,520
decisions?
Or is it?

486
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,080
Anybody you know?
Is there a higher power that

487
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,720
these gods are are answering to?
I think it was we really needed

488
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,000
this conversation from Silvia
and Loki because we kind of had

489
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,320
it.
Was it in the first episode?

490
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,640
It was almost like in the second
season we had snippets of this

491
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,920
conversation that Silvia and
Loki were having and it's Silvia

492
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,080
wanting to be like free will.
It's done.

493
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,760
Just don't worry about it.
Stop trying to control

494
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,600
everything.
And then we finally get Loki's.

495
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,320
You know, he's admitting that,
like, I just want to do this

496
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,080
because I want friends.
Like I want my friends back.

497
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,880
Which is sad in itself, but it's
a super interesting conversation

498
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,320
to have because it's almost
like, instead of like, what is

499
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,440
glorious purpose, he's burdened
with what is that glorious

500
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,560
purpose and trying to figure
that out.

501
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,400
But I like that he he brought
up, it was probably a lie, but

502
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,400
he said like, no.
Mobius said that the TVA was

503
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,200
like, his purpose, and he loved
it.

504
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,720
I should give him that choice.
But like how are you going to

505
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,360
show somebody this, like
fantastical thing and expect

506
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:43,040
them not to choose that over
selling jet skis or trying to

507
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,600
break out of Alcatraz?
Right.

508
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,160
And what is choice like?
And I think so we touched on

509
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,040
that.
She's like, we're you're going

510
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,960
to expose them to something they
can't Unsee.

511
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,800
And so is that really even like
you said?

512
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,720
Is that a choice?
Or is it really just leaving

513
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,160
them with no choice because you
can't go back to like a

514
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,760
blissful, ignorant, just
existence?

515
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,960
Once you get to that point.
And so, yeah, I don't know,

516
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,800
like, again, we're going to have
one episode left.

517
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,200
We talked about the God of
stories.

518
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,680
That's like a pretty big deal
with a lot of reparations.

519
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,560
And so it's certainly not going
to be wrapped up because we, we

520
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,960
all know the stories will
continue.

521
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,880
But to your point, like how long
will we have to wait to truly

522
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,040
see the implications of the
season?

523
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,320
That I'm anxious about that,
Yeah, yeah, that's that's very

524
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,280
true.
One of the scenes in this

525
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,720
particular, that the bar scene,
Loki was literally like plucked

526
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,440
from his people, raised by a
conqueror and still was pushed

527
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,840
aside this whole time.
And now we finally find out

528
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,680
years later that it's like he
just wants a place to belong.

529
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,280
Because he tells Sylvie, like,
where do I belong?

530
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,200
And it's so devastating for this
person that was trying to

531
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,560
conquer the world and Avengers
and then now led to this, for

532
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,240
him to just be like, I just want
somebody to like me and like

533
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:00,120
them to like me, like that's all
I want.

534
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,680
And it's so simple, but it's
super effective I think, with

535
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,960
the character like Loki.
Yeah, and those are the moments

536
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,400
that make this series special,
right?

537
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,280
Because not only like, that
moment is so intimate, and I

538
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,520
think so was the Key Lime Pie
moment with Mobius and Loki.

539
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,120
And I think that this episode,
more than any others and any

540
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,760
other film, MCU film or anything
that we see, it's those intimate

541
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,000
moments, those character moments
that the quiet moments.

542
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,320
That we get that I think help us
really fall in love with the

543
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,440
character and the story that we
don't get.

544
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,200
A lot of my often when I talk
about people talk about like the

545
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,600
post credit singers all the time
and they're disappointed because

546
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,480
of this and it didn't none of
this happen.

547
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,480
But the best one, ultimately one
of the best ones at least, is

548
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,920
The Avengers.
One where they're all just

549
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,160
eating trauma.
Right.

550
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,800
And they're hanging out.
It's so true.

551
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,920
It doesn't mean anything for the
future films, but it kind of

552
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,000
means everything for the
characters and the the the what

553
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,120
they mean to each other.
And I think we this series does

554
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,040
a great job of leveraging those
moments.

555
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,320
Yeah, the one of the things that
I was really hoping for was, you

556
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,000
know, then to make make us care
a lot more.

557
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,680
And I think that we did
initially care.

558
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,560
But even like, hearing Sylvie
talk about, I just want to

559
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,520
survive, like, what's wrong with
wanting something?

560
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,040
Like, I made my choice.
You're making your choice.

561
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,800
And I think that just adds
another layer to her because she

562
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,440
was frustrating me, I'm gonna
admit a little bit in the series

563
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,840
because it was every time he
would go to her, like, can you

564
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,800
help me?
Like, you kind of inadvertently

565
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,120
caused this.
Can you help me?

566
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:30,360
She's like, no, I'm good.
I'm just going to go do the

567
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:31,720
minimum wage grind.
I'm fine.

568
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,600
And it's like, can you just help
him for the love of God.

569
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,160
But then we had to get the scene
with the record shop and her

570
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,760
friend just completely turning
into spaghetti and her saying,

571
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,840
OK, things are a little worse
than I initially thought, but we

572
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,920
needed stuff like that.
We needed these characters to

573
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:53,480
move forward in that way.
I am kind of scared for the

574
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,440
finale.
Like, I feel like because we got

575
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,960
these nice moments, is that
typical like show thing right?

576
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,880
Where they're.
I think The Walking Dead did it

577
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,080
best where it was like this
character got an episode and

578
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,680
then you knew they were going to
die coming up in like the season

579
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,800
finale.
So I'm like, worried about all

580
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,480
of them because now we know too
much about them.

581
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,800
Oh, man, The Walking Dead.
That's a great reference.

582
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,880
Yeah, because what's funny was I
was going to ask you, do you

583
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,960
think, Sylvie?
Is going to make it like is is

584
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,440
Sylvie going to make it past
this season and it's only going

585
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,200
to exist in the larger MCU and
and and other characters because

586
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,240
if there are two leads and if
there's a second lead in this

587
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,040
show, it's got to be Sylvie,
right?

588
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,240
And their relationship and
dynamic hasn't been as strong

589
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,160
and as quite as interesting as
season one I would say.

590
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,120
But what do you think?
Do you think there will be more

591
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,720
Sylvie Stories or to your point,
are we are they telegraphing a a

592
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,200
character death?
Yeah.

593
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,920
I mean, I think for it to be
effective, they definitely need

594
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,320
to like either kill off, kill
off or prune or whatever.

595
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,520
Silvia or Mobius, because those
are really the characters that,

596
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,080
since the first one we've grown
attached to.

597
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,360
I hope there's more Sylvia.
I do think there's a place for

598
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,520
her somewhere.
I like the the amalgamation of

599
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,880
actually making her almost like
the MC US Enchantress even

600
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,240
that's kind of like what her
character is based on.

601
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,880
So I hope going forward she
survives because Loki does love

602
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,960
her and I don't want him turning
full villain again because I

603
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,840
feel like he's just not going to
handle it well if she actually,

604
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,080
you know, bites it for real.
But I do hope she does, you

605
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,480
know, make it outgoing forward.
But on that note, I do have to

606
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,000
ask, because this is something
that Derek and I talk about One

607
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:39,000
more he talks about is what do
you are you for a possible

608
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,960
romantic relationship with
Mobius and Loki?

609
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,480
Or you're like no, they strictly
have to be like best buds.

610
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,520
Oh, that's interesting.
I didn't think that's where you

611
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,880
were going.
For some reason, I thought you

612
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,480
were going to ask me about
Mobius and Sylvie.

613
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,880
I don't know why that's
fascinating.

614
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,440
Well, I certainly.
I think we could that that

615
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,920
wouldn't make sense.
They could totally.

616
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,800
I think it's so funny because
somebody when I.

617
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,240
Gave my reactions on socials
about Loki and it's like is

618
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,640
there is there any like gay
relationships in in in the

619
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,160
season somebody asked me and I
was like, unfortunately I don't,

620
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,480
I don't see any of that.
But hey, that could be a a pivot

621
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,840
that works because I was
actually going to say yeah, like

622
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,480
does does Loki Leslie.
Like that relationship has not

623
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,440
been quite as convincing or
compelling to me this season.

624
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,800
He's like chasing after her.
She like you said, she's like,

625
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,040
no, I'm good.
And then he it's like she gets

626
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,280
dragged back in already like 2
episodes ago and then we're back

627
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,000
to the reset and then she's
dragged back-to-back in at the

628
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,400
end of this episode.
It's almost like a little

629
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,880
repetitive from that
perspective.

630
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,320
And so I don't even know what
her like.

631
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,760
Mark is this season beyond.
I just want to be at McDonald's.

632
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,720
Yeah.
Which is like, out of all the

633
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,760
fast food chains, McDonald's.
I don't know.

634
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,800
What would have been better?
What would have been better I

635
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,080
don't know what's what's a good
chain who has good food.

636
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,280
You know I'm.
I'm not I I I like Wendy's.

637
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,320
I think Wendy's is pretty good
over McDonald's.

638
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,760
The French fries are better.
Just going to put that out

639
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,200
there.
Oh, wow.

640
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,520
I don't know.
I don't know about that.

641
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,120
I don't know about that.
I mean, I do like Wendy's.

642
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,960
Yeah.
Listen, it all comes down to who

643
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,320
paid more money.
So it's the that is true.

644
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,160
Who's going to do the
endorsement?

645
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,280
The only reason why I ask that
is because in this episode when

646
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,000
Loki sees Mobius at his house
and he's like, you know, fucking

647
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
with the trash cans and like
trying to get him to actually go

648
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,800
where he wants him to go, he
like, fixes his hair and

649
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,640
everything.
Like, he puts himself until he's

650
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,480
like, he's like fixing it and
fixing his coat.

651
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,360
And I'm like, Sylvie hasn't
looked at you, how she's looked

652
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,440
at you in the first season.
And I don't see you like fixing

653
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,320
your hair and stuff whenever
you're around Sylvie.

654
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,240
So I'm more and more at first.
I wasn't like, on the whole

655
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,280
Mobius and like Loki Train, but
the more and more goes on, I'm

656
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,600
like, that's actually kind of
nice.

657
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,640
Like he wanted to give him his
wife's Jet Ski.

658
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,160
I'm like, you know what?
Even in this timeline, he still

659
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,520
loves him.
Yeah.

660
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,880
Is that like the?
Maybe that's the telegraphing?

661
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,680
Like the life is gone and here's
the jet ski I wanna give to you

662
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,120
now is like the what?
What's their couple name then?

663
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,240
Lokius or Moki, I think.
I think a couple people, we had

664
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,520
posted about it last week and a
couple of people are like Lokius

665
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,160
and then Moki, Moki or something
like that.

666
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,840
So I'm not sure I like any of
them.

667
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:33,040
They all sound kind of like
sickness, but I'm for like,

668
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,000
whoever can think of a good one,
let me know.

669
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,240
Yeah.
Somebody respond to your like on

670
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,040
social media with some good like
couple names.

671
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,520
Yeah, Let's get a definitive
answer of what their shipping

672
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,600
name is.
Yes.

673
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,920
So we didn't really talk about
OB too much, your AD, whichever

674
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,760
one we why is it just two?
Why is it 2 initials and both?

675
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,600
I think that's interesting.
Yes, And we need to know there

676
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,520
has to be some reason, right?
Like I there's got to be

677
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,080
something.
Like we know OB is Orvoras AD

678
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,200
Anderson, You know, I'm not sure
what that would be.

679
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,199
But so like out of everybody he
went to except for Sylvie, he

680
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,880
was the only one that was like,
yeah, I believe you 100%.

681
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,320
Do you think it's because he's a
sci-fi writer and he's been

682
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,800
waiting for something like this
to happen or do you think

683
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,239
there's something more to OB?
Like a lot of people have been

684
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,760
theorizing for this season, like
not necessarily fill in, but

685
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,840
like the concept of horror.
Boris is still so apparent.

686
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,080
His shop looked exactly like his
shop at the TVA.

687
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,159
So it is.
It's too coincidental.

688
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,800
Yeah, I mean I've heard,
definitely heard that theory.

689
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,280
I think it would be fascinating.
I'm here for it.

690
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,120
Like somebody on on Twitter we
won't call it the other thing.

691
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,239
But on Twitter was talking about
how like what if instead of you

692
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,800
know recasting, canning into
somebody else, it turned into

693
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,280
they shifted to OBE as like the
actual variant that is in

694
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,040
control.
I I don't think that would be as

695
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,160
interesting to me if you turned
out to be straight villain like

696
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,280
you said.
I do think what happens if.

697
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,120
He does play that role, though,
in the story because like you

698
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,760
said, his existence is really
like, keep everything working,

699
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,960
right?
Like, he's been there the

700
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,080
longest, right?
He's been there forever,

701
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,360
preceding even, like Mobius
remembering the time that he met

702
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,840
him right at the TVA, right?
And so we know that he's been

703
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,920
there for so long.
It means so much.

704
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,840
And he literally wrote the book.
And so, like, it's weird to

705
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,760
think that he would just be OK
with everything unraveling.

706
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,280
And of course, Kihei Quan is
like, so just like jovial about

707
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,920
everything and so is OVAD.
But I I could see, I would love

708
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,880
this twist if at the end it
turns out like he's not happy

709
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,280
with this, all of this.
He's been manipulating Loki to

710
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,320
learn how to master his time
shifting because that's what's

711
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,720
needed to save the the savior
timeline.

712
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,160
You know, it.
It turns out to be this like.

713
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,480
Almost like the reverse of The
Wizard of Oz, right where it's

714
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,000
like he seems like this goofy,
silly, funny guy, but actually

715
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,920
he's the mastermind behind
making sure maybe he's a spell

716
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,520
safe.
He's the one to make sure that

717
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,360
everything doesn't fall apart.
I like that a lot.

718
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,840
I I think, you know, a part of
me is like, I don't want him to

719
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,720
not just be in the season, I
want him to continue somewhere.

720
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,520
And if that means, like, he
needs to have either more a

721
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,440
sinister or a different purpose
in this, I'm totally fine with

722
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,600
it.
But it it's just it's so

723
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,240
interesting that it seems like
his memory has lasted longer

724
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,960
than most of the people at the
TVA.

725
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,160
There's too many parallels.
And then also like, are we

726
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,240
seeing the birth of the TVA with
this episode?

727
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:50,520
Because the shop looked exactly
the same.

728
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,280
He got the book again the last
episode.

729
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,160
He said that Victor timely and
him wrote the book together and

730
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,600
we know where he ends up in the
end of this episode.

731
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,640
It's just I'm, I'm still trying
to like figure out what exactly

732
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,840
the loop is.
But it all does seem to connect

733
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,720
in some sort of way.
So I'm hoping we get like some

734
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,320
montage at the end of this to be
like this is how A connects to C

735
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,760
and vice versa.
Yeah, I love the loop idea,

736
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,000
right?
Because you know, they're

737
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,360
they're playing so much with
time.

738
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,560
They've been jumping back and
forth in different eras,

739
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,640
different timelines, different
universes.

740
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,640
There's got to be a loop here
that we didn't see, right?

741
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,360
Like almost like AM Night
Shyamalan type of like, oh

742
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,880
surprise, like where the the
timeline you thought they were

743
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,800
in is not the timeline they're
actually in.

744
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,120
And like you said, it turns out
they went in the past and these

745
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,400
actions, like Loki's actions,
resulted in the creation of the

746
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,840
TVA.
And the book thing is

747
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,000
interesting too, right?
Because it totally parallels

748
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,320
what we saw happen to Victor.
Timely, right?

749
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,160
Ravana drops the book off to a
young Kang and that results in

750
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,960
him being able to grow up and
turn into whatever, leading him

751
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,720
to be Kang later.
These books, these Bibles are so

752
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:07,640
critical to the story and so
Loki delivered the TVA Bible to

753
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,320
OB and allows him to create the
TVA, make the cycle, make sense.

754
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,160
And I love that he was able to
create like Mach one of the 10

755
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,920
pad and it was just gigantic.
Like as he's talking to Mobius

756
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,200
and Loki, he's just trying to
like press all the buttons and

757
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,640
everything.
It was just amazing.

758
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,440
But it is interesting that he
also like, he does have a PhD,

759
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,080
so it makes sense that he's able
to understand this stuff.

760
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,480
But like, you know, he said it
took 19 months, his wife left

761
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,000
him.
And I'm like, you're picking up

762
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,480
this stuff so easily and so fast
and also nineteen months to

763
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,400
create like a time opening
device.

764
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,640
Like it's just it's so fishy to
me.

765
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,280
There's too many things that I'm
like, why are you guys pointing

766
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,520
to this?
Why were you pointing to Key

767
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,960
Lime Pie so much?
Why?

768
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,680
Like, I just, I really need to
know, right?

769
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,440
It's just an excitement of like,
I hope all of this is tied up in

770
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,720
the end, but I mean OB I I hope
he continues on through this and

771
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:05,840
then past the series I I need
more.

772
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,880
Yeah.
It would be such a waste to not

773
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,560
fully leverage the character.
And before we move on, one point

774
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,120
I do want to make, and I wish to
play with this a little more is

775
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,640
like this episode was real
serious.

776
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,560
I was like real like, you know,
dramatic.

777
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,720
I actually would have wanted a
little bit of cause OB reminded

778
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:25,960
me of Doc Brown and you know and
Back to the Future and when you

779
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,680
know Marty goes back in time and
he has to find Doc Brown.

780
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,240
And be like, hey, you actually
create in the future.

781
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:33,520
You created this, right?
And I feel like that's what

782
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,080
we're leading to right here.
Where you and I are talking

783
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,200
about is like, hey, old Doc,
like back in time, not old, back

784
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,800
in time, younger Doc Brown, you
create this.

785
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,200
So let me give you this thing so
you can replicate it.

786
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,240
And I felt like we had that in
this episode.

787
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:53,720
And so I saw like the Mardi Loki
parallels and the Doc Brown OBAD

788
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,000
parallels, and I wish I wish it
would have been a little more

789
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,400
fun.
From that perspective, it opened

790
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,800
very seriously.
I think the only, like, fun part

791
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,000
that we got was for some reason
Loki mimicking the wacky,

792
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,760
inflatable, flammling armed tube
man behind him when he was time

793
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,280
slipping that.
Was a brief moment, it was.

794
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,240
Really funny.
Yeah.

795
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,760
They're like, we have to make
you laugh at least once in this

796
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,800
episode, but that's that's very
true.

797
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,520
I actually like that parallel a
lot.

798
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,800
It's like the, I think in one of
the episodes they were like,

799
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,600
what came first?
Like the chicken or the egg, And

800
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,240
I'm curious if we're ever going
to get that.

801
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,680
And I feel like as the series
has gone on, yeah, we got the

802
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,960
time travel rules in end game
and it's like you have to put

803
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,240
them back in the exact spot
because then nothing's going to

804
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:36,600
happen.
This show has played with time

805
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,760
in almost every type of time
travel way that it's.

806
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,400
I have no idea how they're going
to like wrap it up or exactly

807
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,320
what that means.
So like at the end of this

808
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,360
episode, everybody is like
dusting it.

809
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,200
It's looks very much like Iron
Man seeing Peter Parker dust on

810
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,680
Titan.
And the parallels are right

811
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,680
there.
But so he time slips back to

812
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,600
before everybody gets
spaghettified, and then he

813
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,320
controls it more and time slips,
do you think to when Victor

814
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,120
timely turned to spaghetti or
when Mobius first went out?

815
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,360
Because I'm not exactly sure,
like which one it possibly could

816
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,840
be.
Yeah, you're right.

817
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,120
I I don't know.
I my, my first instinct was

818
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,560
timely right before timely.
Because that's where they messed

819
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,200
up, right?
They thought this was going to

820
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,920
work and they messed up.
But it's almost like that's the

821
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,240
the problem with time slipping
or time travel stories is like,

822
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:33,160
if he can control it, it really
doesn't matter.

823
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,960
He can go to both of them,
right?

824
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,160
Or he could go to however many
moments he wants to until the

825
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,120
what he wants works.
So I'm not sure about the it'll

826
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,560
be hard to determine the
dramatic tension.

827
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:45,360
But again, maybe that's not the
point of it.

828
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,200
Maybe it will be fairly easily
wrapped up because he'll go back

829
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,600
to the proper time and then
we'll realize like that's not

830
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,040
what was important because
there's something else behind

831
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,480
the scenes.
What do you think?

832
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,960
So if if he does say, it's back
to timely, right?

833
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,320
I had said in the last episode
that I thought it was the hot

834
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,320
Coco scene was interesting.
I'm.

835
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,600
I'm still not too sure what it
means and maybe we'll see what

836
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,040
it actually means.
But the fact that this, this

837
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,280
confidence man, right all of a
sudden was like, it has to be

838
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,040
me.
I'm going to be brave now out of

839
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,560
nowhere, if Loki tries to take
that away from him.

840
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,240
Like what?
How?

841
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:27,000
How would they fix it from
exploding, right?

842
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,840
Because I don't think he
necessarily has anything else.

843
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,200
Like would he be able to go out
there without a suit?

844
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,200
Like, do you have any theories
of like if it is Victor timely

845
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,360
how he inevitably fixes it or
does he keep just trying and

846
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,400
trying again?
Oh man, yeah, again, the crutch

847
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,400
being that he even because at
that moment the radiation became

848
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,880
too much, that was the idea,
right.

849
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,200
And that's that's why Timely,
whatever happened to him So

850
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,960
actually Loki can take the
machine from that moment, then

851
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,800
go back in time again until when
the radiation wasn't that bad

852
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,640
and then like just go out
himself or whatever, like you

853
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,000
said.
So there's so many ways they can

854
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,120
use this crutch, which is the
problem with time travel.

855
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,120
I think it'll be interesting to
see to your point.

856
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,120
If Timely then gets supplanted
and Loki saves the day, is that

857
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,360
his villain turn?
You know, me is Timely,

858
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,920
resentful of, like this was my
moment and I could have done it.

859
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,840
And that makes him, you know,
swear vengeance upon Loki.

860
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:21,840
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.

861
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,400
What do you what do you think?
I like that theory of Loki on

862
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,480
taking it from timely but then
going back to like a safer point

863
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,480
in time and using that device
and then fixing it.

864
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,880
But you know, I I what is the
finale supposed to be like over

865
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,880
50 minutes?
So I feel like that's like a

866
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,080
super quick fix.
I'm curious to see what it

867
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,120
actually is, because my feeling
is that he might we might get

868
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,400
like a small thing of him.
Trying multiple times and then

869
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,960
not working and then us showing
like how his time slipping.

870
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,960
Actually like, is there
limitations?

871
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:58,800
How far back can he actually go?
Because he says that he can

872
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,520
rewrite the story.
That's one of the last things

873
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,920
that he says before he time
slips.

874
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,600
So what part of the story is he
saying that he's going to

875
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,400
rewrite?
Is it just the TVA or is it the

876
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,360
whole thing back to Sylvie's
choice?

877
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,720
So I think it can really go
either way.

878
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,760
I'm more of a fan of The Lost.
Time travel rules.

879
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,200
See, look or Boris, we're going
right back to loss when you

880
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,280
mentioned it.
I like the the thing of like

881
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,680
what was supposed to happen
always happen no matter what.

882
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,560
So I'm curious if all of this
was supposed to happen in a

883
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,800
certain way, but how that ties
back to Kang.

884
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,360
And if the the king, the prime
king is who he is, is that

885
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,040
Victor Timey or is it somebody
else?

886
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,640
I'm very excited to see.
Who that possibly could be,

887
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,600
Yeah, same.
And I really do think that the

888
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,880
saving the timeline is not going
to be the point of the story.

889
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,360
I feel like it will be wrapped
up fairly quick and then we're

890
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,680
going to see that it's actually
been something else going on.

891
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:52,520
I hope.
I don't know.

892
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,880
We'll see.
Are you bro, letting the

893
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,080
branches go where they need to
go or like, streamlining it in a

894
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,920
certain way?
Yeah, it seems like I'm pro

895
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,080
letting it go because it seems
like that's the whole point of

896
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,920
the Multiverse.
Like if you keep like

897
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,280
unmultiying the multiverses and
every, it's like, what was the

898
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,400
point of this phase?
You know, it's supposed to be

899
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,520
the multiversal era.
And so I feel like we need, but

900
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,400
at the end of the day, even if
they think they pruned

901
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,360
everything that needs to be
pruned and we get back to the

902
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,800
sacred timeline.
Even in comics, we see this

903
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,120
like, oh, but there was somebody
who was able to escape from this

904
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,760
timeline before it was pruned
and came into, like, there's so

905
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,760
many possibilities still.
Yeah, that's that's very true.

906
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,800
I'm.
I've been kind of conflicted

907
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,960
with, you know, because they
opened it up with being like the

908
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,600
timelines are what's pirates?
The TV.

909
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,400
VA and the TVA is what keeps it
in check.

910
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,720
So I'm if the TVA didn't exist,
would the multiverses actually

911
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,920
exist or would it be fine?
Like why do we need the TVA to

912
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,440
exist to have these multiverses?
Unless it's just this is just

913
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,720
the device we're going to use to
introduce the big bad.

914
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,640
So I'm very curious to see like
if it's left without ATVA, if

915
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,280
everything's fine, it'll be a
bunch of Kangs, but like that's

916
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,760
fine.
We have King Dynasty coming up,

917
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,760
so wrapping up.
For you, for this series to be a

918
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,040
complete knockout, what's like
something that you want it to

919
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:11,280
like address or lead to after
the finale, Yeah, I, well, I

920
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,160
probably had a different answer.
But after this conversation I

921
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,800
would say is everything we
talked about with OBAD, it's

922
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,680
like I want to see that turn
now.

923
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,880
I want him to be the mastermind
of it all and that he goes on to

924
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,920
have a larger role in the MCU.
That would be the Grand Slam

925
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,680
ending for me.
I agree.

926
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,800
I agree.
I hope the thing that.

927
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:35,480
Leading to it is that we kind of
get a clear answer of like where

928
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,160
the multiverse saga is going.
Not saying that we don't know,

929
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,240
but like we kind of don't know,
You know what I mean?

930
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:45,120
And I feel like this show has a
huge weight on its shoulders to

931
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,960
introduce that.
So I'm, I hope it knocks out out

932
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,280
of the park on that that front.
Like, I want to be like, OK,

933
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,360
this is what's going to be
happening, because it's leading

934
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,040
right into the marvels.
I'm very curious to see like why

935
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,800
they scheduled it that way.
Yeah.

936
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:01,640
Yeah.
I mean, I agree.

937
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,280
I mean, the Marvels have to have
some kind of long term impact

938
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,560
that I assume is the reason they
didn't want to move it off of

939
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,760
the November date and into 2024
because then it's just going to

940
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,880
hold everything else up.
I'm not sure.

941
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,000
I'm a little skeptical that this
will lead into the Marvels, but

942
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,880
I guess we'll see.
Only time will tell.

943
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,960
Thank you so much for coming on.
You know, I'm happy that you

944
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,960
were.
I was able to convince you of

945
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,520
the OB thing because I've been
like on that train and

946
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,920
everybody's like, no.
And I'm like, but like he's so

947
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,920
important he needs to continue.
And even if it that's in a, you

948
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,840
know, a malicious way of some
sort, yes, I'm here for it.

949
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,240
Next week we got the finale.
I'm very excited to see how that

950
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,560
turns out.
Ron.

951
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,320
Thank you so much for coming
out.

952
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,480
Please plug your stuff.
Tell people where to find you,

953
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,440
what you have coming up, what
you have going on.

954
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,560
Well, thanks for having me.
It was a lot of fun.

955
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,520
I think we chat pretty regularly
anyway, but it's fun to do it in

956
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,960
this format.
So yeah, thanks for having me.

957
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,640
Sorry Derek, that you weren't
here.

958
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,280
You were missed.
Hopefully it's good to Yeah,

959
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,920
hopefully I'll be back and we
can all do it together.

960
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,560
But definitely looking forward
to the finale.

961
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,320
You can find all my work on
socials, including Twitter,

962
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:19,720
Instagram, YouTube threads, so
many different things now that I

963
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:23,960
can't even check that often.
It's all at POC culture, all one

964
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,200
word POC culture.
And of course all my work is

965
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,400
housed at pocculture.com.
Hope you can check it out.

966
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,560
The Marvels is coming out next
week.

967
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,080
The embargo lifts on Tuesday
night where they're going to

968
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,800
have the premiere.
I'm not going to the premiere,

969
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,240
but I will get a chance to see
it in advance, so my thoughts

970
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,320
will be all on the socials on
Tuesday night, so check that

971
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,720
out.
Oh, that's super awesome.

972
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:49,520
I was going to ask you, I was
like, are you going to be able

973
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,960
to see it early?
So I'm, I always trust your

974
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,600
judgement on things.
Definitely follow Ron on what

975
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,040
he's doing because he has all
the exclusives and he gets to

976
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,800
see things early.
You will too.

977
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,200
Your time is coming.
All right.

978
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,080
Thank you so much.
Thanks so much.

979
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,160
Appreciate it.
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980
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,000
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981
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,720
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982
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:16,280
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983
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,040
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984
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,760
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985
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,200
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986
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