‘Loki’ Season 2 Episode 6 Glorious Purpose | Marvel

0:03 Hey, I'm Derek. And I'm Noah, and you're listening to A Bite Of where we take our current favorite pop culture obsession and we enjoy it. 1 nibble at a time 1 nibble. This is the final nibble. It's the last nibble of Loki forever. No, I can't. I won't accept it. You may live in denial if it helps you get through the day. You're back. I'm back. Yeah, you weren't on the last episode. I wasn't the amazing Ron was on the last episode. I listened to it on the ride back from my conference and I was very impressed. Oh, you because of me. Yeah, because of the both of you. You guys are both very smart.

0:47 And also you said my name three times, so I felt famous. I like how that's what you counted as you're driving. You're like, Yep, one I was driving and I was like, oh, that's me. They know who I am. So I'll ask you if you have anything to add about Episode 5 when we, like, do the spoiler warning and everything, just in case there's some people you know two episodes behind. Yeah, that way, you know, our listeners can just, I guess if you have anything to say about Episode 5 before leading, I have so much to say about Episode 5. Surprise. This is episode five. You didn't. Cover anything so before we get into it. Friendly reminder, we are on our way to 200 reviews on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, so throw some stars our way and we're 199 behind, so get on it. One, so make sure you're following the podcast on any platform that you listen to him, hit that follow button or subscribe button.

1:48 It's greatly appreciated. We have a bunch of stuff coming up, stuff that we're doing that we used to do. Stuff that's new, so you know, get ready for that. We have the Marvels episode coming out on Monday, so a couple days after this episode drops you. Every time you're miming it throws me off. Only the people who are watching it know what I'm doing. I'm just adding emphasis to everything what you're saying. That way you're not just staring right at me, all the announcements. OK, OK, OK, OK, lots to talk about. It's the finale. Let's take a look back. Yes, all right, so taking a look back at Loki Season 2, Episode 5 Science Fiction, after the loom goes boom, Loki finds himself Slippity sliding from branch to branch, catching up. Dang it.

2:38 I did this myself. Loki finds himself Slippity sliding from branch to branch, catching up with his old buddies in their new ish lives. Casey escapes the Clink B-15 is the dock on the scene. Mobius calls for his kid, Kevin, and OBAD writes less famous. To be or not to be, sort of. Sylvie gives Loki the brush off until her favorite record shop spins into spaghetti. Obad builds a keyboard size 10 pad, and the gang reunites. Just as they once again find themselves turning to Tagliatelli. Loki gets a hold on his time slipping and knows he has a chance to go back and try try again.

3:18 Bravo, that was. This is that's the last summary that you're going to do for Loki, because we don't have a confirmation of a Season 3 ever again. Ever. Again. Bravo, Tagatelli. Oh my God, Tagliatelli. One is hard to say, but also great reference in that you know, when I heard you read my synopsis from last week, I realized that I missed the opportunity to use Tagliatelli, so I had to take it now and do it. You did. You did it. So spoiler warning for Loki as a series, MCU comic. Cannon all that stuff. So you've been warned. We don't want to officially prune you from the timeline for spoiling. All right, Let us officially take a Bite of Loki Season 2 Episode 6.

4:04 Glorious purpose. Sounds familiar? Very familiar. Season one, episode one. Glorious purpose. I'm also calling this episode Loom, Doom Destiny and the after. Real fun, yeah. I like that you just wanted to do loom and doom together and then the D from doom goes to destiny and then the after just sounds like, Oh my gosh, which it was. So what are your initial thoughts of the assumingly series finale of Loki? OK, so I have, I don't want to say a problem, but these last two episodes, I feel like in both episodes the same thing just kept happening over and over again.

4:53 To be fair, I think this one it should have agreed. But just coming from the episode before this where it just felt like more spaghetti, more time slipping, and then we get another one where it is supposed to happen, it felt like, oh, we're just doing the same thing over and over again. However, I think the payoff in this one was well worth it. OK, what do you think? I loved it. I, you know, I I mean, I could literally just watch them talk in a room, which is most of this season. I loved it. I think this is. Should I say it now? Yeah, whatever. It is my all time favorite series for the MCU. It's just beat out all the other ones, but you're putting the two seasons together, yes, as a series.

5:36 Yes, I mean that's right. We don't have any other second season, so I kind of have to put them together, rub it in, Noah, take that, she Hulk. Well, you know, I'm wearing my spirit tea of Loki. So you did wait on line for almost an hour at Comic Con to get that spirit? Tea. I really did. Well deserved, yeah. I think Loki would appreciate it. He would, but he would also just slip to the front of the line and just take someone else's spot. We don't all have time slipping abilities so I had to literally wait in line for over an hour for it but it was well worth it. Favorite series that the MC us. But I think as a whole, it just thinking back on the first season and how they wrote a second season to almost literally mirror the first season to this one and then the pay off of the entire story, I mean.

6:21 I'm not. I I put this on social media. But I'm like, not exaggerating. This was years of character development. And I mean, it just paid off in the most glorious way. I loved it. I I think Loki is the best character in the MCU as far as character development and where that character started and where it's gone. I just, you know, I loved it. He's he's definitely had a journey. An interesting thing that I thought of for some reason was when Captain America went back in time and just lived his life with Peggy and like. And I felt like when that happened, everybody was like, oh, he's all, that's ridiculous. But it was like, no, it made sense. That's what how he wanted to live his life.

7:02 And that was like the first time we saw someone like travel through time and stay traveling through time. And so now we're here with Loki and the entire thing is about time travel. So it was like we got that little seed with Captain America and obviously that entire arc where they were going back and getting all the stones to this whole series. And really in this last episode, how many times did he travel back in time? I mean, we we may never know. Thousands. Hundreds of thousands. And even spent centuries in one part of time to learn all of, I don't know, science. And theoretical physics, by the way. There you go. But I mean it even with that. How many times did he have to travel back to then learn stuff? Because, I mean, how is he going to sit there for 100 years with somebody when the TVA is about to explode, so like.

7:47 How did that even work? Like, did he just keep going back to Obi or did he go further back and he's like, can you just sit with me for 400 years? In my mind, he, like, found this is the wrong name. But like, he found like, Aristotle. And he was like, hey, Aristotle, I'm Loki. Can you teach me everything you know? Definitely the wrong name. Hey Pluto philosopher, Hello Machiavelli. No, Casey Casey and Obie Casey. Yeah, I, Casey and Obie definitely are the ones that taught him that. But I don't think so. He literally asked him to teach him. What do you mean? In my mind he was sitting with old men with long. Beards. Absolutely not. It's definitely them. So this episode I think.

8:30 Initially, like, when you're experiencing it, it's kind of jarring, right? Because he's going back in time, he's time slipping. He's going to events and doing them multiple times. And we're seeing scenes that we literally just saw either in episode 4 or episode 5. And it's wild and frantic. And there's there's some scenes where I was like, OK, we've seen this one like a little too many times. I guess he's going to turn into the pocket. It's not going to work. But I didn't like as it went on with his time slipping. That like there was like a scene where he's, it's one of the final ones where it works with Victor Timely and he's putting stuff together and he's like putting stuff in the computer and he's kind of saying Mobius's sentence before he said he's like, haha, yeah, real funny guy.

9:12 And it's like, it's so funny. I like how they still slipped in some of those little quips in there. I liked in that scene in particular, how he was at the computer and he was the one typing things into the keyboard. That's how much he knew. Now that's how many times he's practiced. Yeah, he like pushed. OB out of the out of the Way. I also liked in the scene with The Loom, kind of seeing as it went further. Oh, it almost worked this time. Oh, timely, got a little further out this time. Oh, like that was kind of exciting to see in The pace was really picking up. But then when he spent the century learning everything and then coming back, he was just a know it all. Yeah, he just put everything together real quick. I loved, I loved the whole concept of this episode, right In this whole series, it all plays with time.

9:53 The logo in the beginning was all reversed. It was fantastic. I love how they play with those little elements in here. Noah was fully panicked when the Loki O was just left standing. He was just like, oh, at the end. At the end, yeah, he's just like, why? Why? Yeah, I sat through the entire credits, 'cause I'm like, I'm waiting for them to confirm season three. They did not and they still have not. Eric Martin, the writer and producer for the show, has said that he there's like, no plans for season three. OK, fine. It was funny. At the end of the first season, we weren't looking to have a Season 2, not in a bad way. We're just like, oh, that was so much fun. And then it was like, Loki season 2, we were like, yay. And then this one we're like, oh, there's got to be a season three.

10:40 And it was like no. Yeah, I mean, well, we also waited two years for like a time means nothing, especially in the MCU. I mean, we've covered so many properties since the first season of Loki and this just seems like yesterday. We've covered every single MCU show so far. It's like, what, 9 Beat that? I don't know, someone else every single one at length, episode to episode of coverage. You might even say we're taking a bite of each Series A week. I thought it was really interesting that he gained the ability to because what was it in the end of or the beginning of the 5th episode when everything exploded and he was time slipping but seeing himself? Then he found a way to time slip back into himself. Right, the body that's there.

11:29 It's so cool. He also knows how to like, bring himself and someone else, in this case Sylvie, outside of time. Yeah, you can stop it while something is happening. Yeah, he's very powerful. It's insane. So I loved. I loved the montage of him trying to figure it out. You know, how many times did Victor time like it turned into spaghetti? A lot of times. But at the end of that after. Spending centuries learning theoretical physics, trying it. How many times Speeding through Obi's mock up design where he couldn't even say that he didn't put a coat of paint on it? It was never going to work. The loom can't expand fast enough for the infinite amount of timelines that are being made.

12:10 That's why they got a prunem. It's insane, yeah, Victor. Was Victor Teimler was like, it's like dividing by zero. Just it can't work, Victor. Timely. This would have helped if you explained it 485,000 times ago. Thanks for telling us now when it's too late. Well, the interesting thing about Victor is when Loki eventually goes to he who remains, he who remains talks about Victor timely. And he's like, oh, is that what he told you So, I mean. Does he know something that we don't or like? Does he just not like Victor timely because he was one of the only good ones that we've seen so far of Kang. It's an interesting thing for him to say, but I'm like, was did he know this whole time?

12:54 Or like was he conning them? He 40, does he not like it almost feels like he was making fun of him in that moment because he does sort of mimic the way that Victor timely talks and maybe because he is sort of a not a mild mannered, but he's he's more of an earthling, you know what I mean? He's more of a human than a lot of the other Kang. So he might see him as weak, even though he's sort of the the thought behind everything that he who remains created. Right. Anything else you want to mention with the time slipping stuff before we get into like him trying to figure out everything else? I just, I did think it was also fun that we got a scene from the first episode ever where he's sitting with Mobius, right?

13:41 You know, so that was also really cool as well. So he really does slip all around the series as a whole. Yeah, the so when he goes to, I like that he went to Mobius and he goes to Sylvia, he goes to the two people that are like his confidants. So he he goes to Mobius and he's pretty much asking him like how do you make a hard decision. And I mean, I was expecting Mobius because I'm so used to the Mobius now. I I expected him to kind of be like, well, trust your instincts and you got it, kid. You know, like, I don't. I don't know why. I think that's why he talks. Just trying to be good in this world. Love B. Wow, wow. But so this is season one Mobius before he knows that they're all variants and everything like that. So he tells him the story of, you know, during the the battle, what was it, the Black Sea or or something like that. I can't remember the actual battle, but. He we can infer that it was him that he was talking about. Not like a time a Minuteman was supposed to prune an 8 year old that was going to kill a lot of people. Thousands of people.

14:44 He hesitated. So then Renslayer stepped in and did it. Now we know kind of why they're like butting heads. He couldn't do what needed to be done. But also, like, damn Renslayer, you just killed a child. And that's how she has always seen him as the person who paused and caused mayhem, you know? So I think that she's always held that against him. Poor Mobius. What a jerk. And he's just like. But like, she's a teacher and she had no problem pruning an 8 year old in front of her, but she didn't know that she was a teacher. She just knows that she's there to prune the shit out of people. Maybe that's why she hesitated with Sylvie, because if I'm not mistaken, she hesitated with Sylvie and that's how Sylvie escaped.

15:30 Because she brought her in and then she, like you know, took her temp out and then she could have ruined her. She could have done something. But then she escaped. So maybe there was some of that teacher slipping through finally, and maybe Mobius being mad at her at some point made her like this is a child. Or maybe she just had missed minutes whispering in her ears. Just let her go, darling. We'll see what happens. So the after Loki's trying to figure everything out, right, he goes to Mobius. He's like, what do I do? How do you make a hard choice? The choice is right back to the first season, the finale of the first season, Essentially, take his spot or kill Sylvie or just let it go. He's at this point he's like on the way to kill Sylvie, like he's coming to terms with it.

16:21 That's why he asked Mobius, like, how do you make a really hard decision? And then he talks to Sylvie about it. He goes in the last episode, right before everybody's turning into spaghetti. And he stops time and he talks to her. And I loved this conversation because it was like, it was very human of her because he's telling her like, this is kind of what has to be done. Tell me what to do. And she's like, I'm not going to tell you to kill me, right? I'm not going to give you my blessing. Yeah, I'm I I want to survive. I want to live. So don't come to me with that. You have to make the decision, so don't include me in that. I think this is another, you know, this is something else to say about a character's growth, right? Where at the end of last season, Sylvie was so hot headed, she knew exactly what she wanted to do. She had her dagger out and she knew she wanted to kill he who remains.

17:10 But here we are. Who knows how many months years later, and she could look at Loki and have this very grown up conversation not fly by the seat of her pants and say I see what you're saying, the only way to stop it is to kill me. That's up to you. Yeah, I'm not going to. I I agree with her. Right? It's like I you you want to do this, but then you want to replace one bad with a nut. Like you're just not doing it. Like, I don't know what you want me to tell you. I feel like old Silvie would have been like, you want to try and take my life? Well, I'm going to take your life. And, you know, so this was just her standing there going, like, cool, OK, you learned some new tricks. All right, I hear what you're saying. Well, if that's the way it has to be, that's the way it has to be.

17:55 But I'm not going to give you my consent to kill me. So good, I agree. Also killing yourself, Sort of. The person that you love yourself, yeah. But I mean it. I think it's not. You know, it's it's a crazy thing to think about what Loki's going through right now, right? It's like he, he spent all those centuries learning all this stuff. It's not working. He spent how many times trying to get it to work? He went back to Mobius and talked to him. He went to Sylvie and talked to her. And he's like, OK, this is the point. It's not making Timely go faster to get to it. And he can't put as that much pep in his step. He has to go back further. And he's like, oh, OK, maybe it's when she killed he who remains. And that's when the branches started. This, like rehash of the finale of the last season, is insane. So one thing that I noticed about this is that I'm trying to figure out how to say this.

18:53 The way that they shot this scene last season, it felt like it was very much from the right side of the room. This episode, whenever he's talking to Kang, it's from the left side of the room. Everything shot from the left side of the room, so it's so weird to see that shift. Right. Like inverted. Exactly. And but that's the whole point, is that this is how we saw it last year, but now this is how we see it at the end of this finale. So I thought that was really smart. And it was jarring to see because we've seen that scene a couple of times, even in this season, when when she pushes Loki up against the desk with the knife and she's getting ready to kill he who remains. We've only seen it from that angle, but all these new conversations are happening from the other side. That's so good.

19:37 I I think, like, it was so seamless too, right? It's like, you know, they it it seemed like it was just a continuation of that season finale because I still felt the same things and I remember those conversations, right? It was just an insane conversation that we were having. And then what was we were left with? Was the multiverse essentially opening up. And in this one, Loki's trying to figure out a way to stop it. And what's the best way to do that? But like, having the way it was shot, right? It's like you're close up on his face, constantly trying to get the upper hand on Sylvie, which, I mean, he, like, tried to kill her. How many? How many times? We don't know. But like, every single time you hear her saying the same thing. You're going to have to kill me. You're going to have to kill me. And she does it over and over again, and you hear Kang doing nothing.

20:22 Eating his apple. Just sitting there watching the whole thing. When it finally stops, oh, I do want to bring it. So you remember in the season finale, the first one where he was like, we just crossed the threshold and there were so many people that were like theorizing like, oh, that's when like Wanda did this thing or whatever. Do you think it's possible that that threshold, because Kang knows or he remains knows that this was the path that Loki was supposed to be on the entire time? That's when he goes back like Loki. Time slips to that moment. So that was like the threshold of like, this is where Loki's going to decide what he's going to do. That's what I think that that threshold actually was. It wasn't like Wanda or anybody else. I think it was.

21:07 That was the moment that Loki's going to time slip back and he can't see what's going to happen. I think that sounds definitely more plausible. You know, just as a note, overall, I feel like these Marvel TV shows don't really take from, I don't know, like they don't take from the movies. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, we'll meet a character after a movie, but like something in the movie happening. I don't, I don't hasn't shown up in a series while the series is happening. Like something when Wanda switched the multi, you know what I mean? So it just seems like it seems more plausible that it's something that's just existing in this story in this world.

21:48 Yeah, I mean, well, it's it's one of those things where it's like, there's so many theories about what that could have been. But I think now we have like a more definitive answer of like, it was probably when Loki was going to create how many different branches from the thousands of times he's trying to kill Sylvie. And then when that finally breaks and he's talking to he who remains and he's like, this was all supposed to happen. Like, you know, I can stop time. I can do all this stuff. And then the switch of Loki stopping time as well. And it's like, oh, you you think this was the first time we had this conversation, DAV? That, that's what got me is that even as an as an audience member, we're not even aware of everything that's happened.

22:30 So when he said that I was like, oh snap, he's been here before, that was really like as an audience member watching that and be like, oh, so you're playing tricks on us now, You're leaving us in the dark. And Loki knows more than we do. So good, Yeah. And you have to think about it too, because at first I was like, how was he able to? Well, how does he have all these temporal powers? It's like, oh, because he's been using them for hundreds of years. Of course, he's going to figure out how to use them more than what he thought he could do. He's very. Strong. He's very strong. He's very strong. He's very small. He's not just a trick to God anymore. We know what the fail safe was, it was the loom the whole time. So literally, the loom exploding and deleting all the branches is what it's meant to do.

23:17 Oh my God, thanks for nothing timely. I know, I think on the last episode Ron and I were theorizing about what the fail safe is and everything. And Ron had said, what if Loki himself was the fail safe. So I think Ron had the correct idea of thinking that the fail safe wasn't actually what was saying was being done. But thinking now that we know the loom is the fail safe. And then on the monitor it's like thank you for your service. It's because they're telling him like it's going to be reset. Like bye. It's so crazy. It was so crazy. I I just feel like this one got so twisty, timey, wimey and everything. The way it kind of culminated was like, oh, OK, so I feel like we were all almost there, but we didn't get it.

24:03 I right. And I think that Loki had to go on that journey to like, finally figure out like, oh, like. It is always my destiny to fail. It is my destiny to do this type of thing. Him coming to like that conclusion of, oh, I can't kill Sylvie to save everything. I have to take on the burden of that purpose and and like that really, Harkins back to the conversation that he has with Mobius, because the burden isn't killing Sophie. The burden is almost in a way, sacrificing yourself. Sophie, what did I say? You said her real name. I was like. Who's oh, Sophie? Sylvie. Sylvie.

24:44 The Burden isn't killing. Well, no, the Burden isn't killing Sylvie. The Burden is taking it all on to himself. And even Kang says something that is alluding to what we see later on. He says something like the person in the big chair is the one that holds all the power and it's just like, oh. I just like. I hate. I love it. I hate that. Like in the first season, Loki's like, I don't want a throne. I don't want all this and his whole way back to the beginning when he's he was coming up. He's talking about how it's his birthright and everything. He was right the entire time. It's just not the throne he thought it would be. Well, it's very much Alanis Morissette's definition of ironic in the sense that all he wanted to do was save his friends, right. And so at for a moment, he thinks I actually have to kill one of my friends to save the rest of my friends. But what ends up happening is that, yes, it's it's like the Twilight Zone.

25:44 It's like, yeah, you can save all your friends, but you can't be with them. Right. I mean, there's like I guess some satisfaction in knowing that like you did it, but like you don't actually get to have any of the funk like. Outcome of that him coming to the conclusion of everything, he who remains still being like, you know, you'll see me again and blah blah. And he was right. We're going to actually see him again because we did in the season finale of this one. I was like thinking back and I'm like, they really did. It was a loop regardless, because somebody got pruned in the same episode, that episode in the first season.

26:24 They went to here. It was all just replaying what was happening, especially after thing reset. And I love that Loki came to the conclusion, one that like, I have to be the one to do this, but the only way to stop you is to break the equation all together. And what a glorious breaking as well as I like. This is why this whole scene of him becoming Loki, who is always supposed to be the God of stories, whatever you want to call him. This is that moment that I was like, this is so worth it. They did give us one final glorious hair flip before he goes out onto that gangway.

27:07 When he lands down there he goes full plie all the way down. He freaking rockets that hair back. And he said this is my glorious purpose. And we said yes. Loki, you stupid bitch. And then he gets in high drag. Oh my God, what a bisexual bitch. I understand him. Also, the moment then he's going down there, right? He goes down there. Everybody's like, what are you doing? I'm very confused. He locks the doors and then Mobius and Sylvia are both at the doors. And he's like, I'm doing this for you. I'm doing this for all of you. This is what I'm doing it for. But we don't know who he's saying that to. His Both of his loves are right there. All right, this is one of my major bones I have to pick. OK, how dare you give us a canonically bisexual Loki and the MCU.

28:01 We see him kiss his sister self, but we see the actual love of his life. He gives a gentleman's handshake to. Are you fucking kidding me? They're like, yeah, he's bisexual. Wink, give me a kiss now we'll never see it 'cause he's sitting on his gold throne. That's it's MCUBS. We'll never get Lokias. And you know what? That hashtag was trending OK. I think there's a lot of people right. There's a lot of people that like didn't want it. People were fine with like Sylvie and Mobius. You know triples exist. They can do that. I mean he literally will get a little bit of both. It is sad.

28:44 But I didn't like I am a sucker for like the Ambuke. Oh my God. I knew I was going to mess up. I'm figuiously gay duo. Yeah, you're right. They'll return in tights. Both of them together. But I did like that you didn't know who he was talking to. I mean, I think in general he's talking to all of them because they're all his friends, but those two are really like, those are the people that he was doing it for. He always wanted a family. He got a family, but he had to sacrifice himself for them. Yeah, the luck. Oh, the luck. The moment at first when it was all going off, I thought he was D aging. I thought we were getting like a.

29:26 We're getting a Benjamin Biddo, not Benjamin Biddo. That's our friend Benjamin Button. He was, yes. He was our best friend's son. Oh my gosh. But yeah, I I thought that's what was happening. And I was like, oh, are we getting kid Loki is Young Avengers happening? But we didn't. And we got a costume. We got a costume review for Loki. Those horns. Just kept going, Oh my God, they weren't going in, he said. I got a Cape too, bitch. Derek. When we first watched this, Derek fell asleep, was tired, fell asleep.

30:06 I was freaking the fuck out on the couch and I was like, what horns. Oh my God, the Cape. What is happening? And I looked over it and I'm like, I I do wish I was awake, because there's nothing like experiencing something glorious with someone so you could both feed off of each other's energy. Because when I re watched it today, I was like, but I was by myself and it was sad. So I was too. So I guess we both watched it. Byers, that's karma, Derek. Deal with it. It's so good, Loki taking, He explodes everything, expands all the time. Things with the timelines and grabs all of them. Walks up invisible steps, takes them somewhere else. Sits on his golden throne that is made of the decaying body of He who remains.

31:03 Well, that's where he's sitting. No, it literally the gold went over him. Did it? Yes. I didn't see that he sat on the bones of the deceased. That's fine. He won. Yeah, it was pretty glorious. What a freaking way to go out and then. He makes the timelines look like Idris El. Well, the the world Tree, the respect he has for his people. It's just so freaking cool. He did all of this to give his friends time to figure shit out, but he gave them a lifeboat. And I mean, what a fantastic arc for this character, but so sad because he's so afraid of being alone.

31:46 And he's not alone. He's surrounded by infinite possibilities, but he's by himself. So I was thinking about this today, and it's such a bit bittersweet ending for this character. We've grown to love Loki and we want the best for him, but there is some sort of cosmic karma here because Loki, before coming to the TVA, was kind of horrible. Yeah, he was literally mind controlling. Yeah, so the fact that he doesn't ultimately get his way, although it's horrible for us now that we love him, when you think back to it, you're like, well, he accomplished his mission, but he did some shitty stuff.

32:26 Yeah, but I think he was on Redemption Arc. He did good things, but I think this shows him being fully selfless, right? Whereas for so long, he was selfish. And I think he was a fish. What's a fish? I think the. You know what? What makes a God a God, right? And I mean, in the MCU, I think it gets a little weird because it's like, are they actually gods? I mean, technically, but like, aren't they just aliens on another planet, essentially. But like, he, he did the thing that actually, like, makes a God. He did. He didn't do something for himself. He did something for other people. And the other people just have to be realities, the the whole bunch of the multiverse.

33:11 And he's a God. I mean, he's just. He's cemented himself as not only becoming one of the most powerful entities in all of existence, but saved a lot of people. Like billions of people, I just. One I liked his Toms, or whatever you want to call them. He did have delightful little ballet flats. Surely he did. But like. His costume, the horns made from like it looked like the material from the Citadel, but with like his like hooded sashy thing. His costume really looked like it was past, present and future Loki just mixed into one. I am here for that look. I need like a action figure or something of that.

33:53 I need it. They need to make one of him sitting on that golden throne, holding all the timelines. How glorious would that be? Hot Toys? Good on it, yeah. But make the timelines like see through and there's a little light at the bottom so that when you click it, they glow right? I think I'm going to think about the images, especially that whole scene, for a long time. It's just I don't think that like an MCU show or property has like resonated with me as much as this. Episode or series has, it's just there's something special about it there. There was a quiet devastation to the end of this. Whereas when I think of Wanda Vision that felt like a little more loud and brash, whereas this was just so simple and so heartbreaking at the same time.

34:47 They really achieved something special in that, in that final in that scene. The final scenes with, you know, we we see Mobius. Mobius and Silvia a little later. And Mobius is they all have free will now, right? And I think there is something like kind of poetic about like Loki starting out with taking away free will and then Loki literally giving everybody free will. But like the moment in particular with, you know, Mobius quits the TVA. He's able to go back if he wants to, but he's going to go see his life, you know, if you don't ever look, how will you know? So he's actually looking right and. We have to remember that this Mobius didn't experience things that themselves when they went back on their time length experience. So this is the first time he's seeing it, but from like his perspective, not living in that and there's something really sad about it, but also beautiful that he's able to see that and still knows what he has.

35:46 But like him saying, you know, I'm just going to let time pass. And it gets that close up of his face and we don't know where Sylvie's going. We'll we'll talk about like the characters at the end, but like it's up, it's up close on his face saying time will pass And then it goes to Loki and like Loki's final shot with him, with all the timelines around him. And it's like he's not happy. And I don't know if the right word is like content, but like, I think he knows. Like, this fucking sucks, but I'm. Glad that they're able to be OK. I kept waiting on that close up of Loki's face. I kept waiting for that. Just hint of a smile and we never really get it.

36:28 He kind of just like, yeah, it it seems. I feel like content isn't even the right word. I feel like it's just acceptance. I think that's the right word. I accept this existence right now and I can't think about it too much. It's because it's so sad and I'm just like, what do you do for all of eternity? He's holding it all together. That's it. You sit by yourself. What if he has to use the restroom? I don't know. Do Gods poop and pee? I've never seen it, so probably not, unless that's what Ambrosia is. Oh, OK. Delicious. So sweet.

37:11 But fucking like that, that scene in particular, I did start like I was getting real teary. I think a tear did fall in that particular moment. It's just so it's beautiful, but it's it is devastating, right? And they did such a good job. Like I just everybody involved in the show from start to finish and the fact that they were able to. Complete This story arc of Loki is incredible. And if thinking back like we didn't really have a villain this season, there was like antagonists and like obstacles in the way. And now like sitting with him being like, OK, looking at these two seasons, we just focused on Loki, like it wasn't even really about what was going on outside of everything. Like yes, there's big implications outside of this, but like, to Loki, that stuff doesn't matter. He's.

38:00 Here and now. So like the fact that we just got to sit with a low key for the it's just it's so good. Yeah, it was really well crafted. And I think that it is so interesting to see a character that we very much didn't like when his first appearances of the MCU become quite beloved and wanting the best for him. So I just feel for our God of Gods, God of time, whatever he is. When they when they did the title card of after it did, it did make me sad. I was just like, he's still there. I mean, at least we could say that.

38:40 I mean, we know that he saved everyone and now the TVA is a better place. They have more people on the council, Casey included. Well, the war room, yeah, it was opened like you saw analysts, you saw hunters, you saw judges, everybody was in there. We got one last glimpse of Judge Gamble. So that was great. And it does look like they are building a better TVA. It seems like really the purpose of the TVA now is to. Monitor Kang variants because Hunter B-15 and Mobius kind of talk about it and they they mentioned Ant man quantumania. They're like this one caused a ruckus on an adjacent reality to 616 Ant Man in the Quantum realm.

39:24 And so that was cool that we got some acknowledgement but like, so Loki gave them time but they're still the issue of the Kang variants. So it seems like very much that's where it's going. Can we also, just for a second, think about how creepy it is when they're looking at that screen of the now tree timeline, knowing that that's Loki out there? He's right in the middle. He's just holding it all together. Couldn't he just like Tie Wonder Magic Lasso? Why didn't Wonder Woman come in? She always comes into these into movies and they play that. I mean, I know that's DC, but that's such a Wonder Woman thing to do, isn't it? It is shows up at the last minute.

40:05 Everybody's always falling off A. Cliff Near near, near near near near. Rude. That's the truth. So. No, that is the truth. Yeah. I mean, I so do you want to talk? OK, well, well, one thing I have to mention. Well, I mean, there's a few other things, but my biggest grievance with this season. As the treatment of Hunter B-15. You know I have a problem with that. I was really hoping that by the end, like, I love the character Moussaku does an amazing job. Like, what did they? They didn't have her doing really anything. I'm glad that she has like a position, a high position at the TVA now that's great.

40:52 But like, it was just very odd that Silvie and Hunter B-15 this season. Just kind of. Were there. Like, Sylvie had some things, but like, she was just more of a conversation Peach, which is important. Sylvie gave him that McDonald's product placement. That's what they needed her for. But I completely agree. I was super disappointed by B-15's role in this entire season. I think that they really miss an opportunity because this actor is incredible. If you've watched Lovecraft Country, I mean, she's just phenomenal. And the fact that she really got boiled down to being a guest at things oh, this is exploding, turning into spaghetti.

41:33 Yeah, she was just, that was shit like and and and the fact that I don't know, they they brought in new characters that I felt like had more of a role than she did. Yeah, Casey did. Well, Casey, at least was in the first season like someone like. Brad. No, I'm saying they gave Casey. You're such a small. Character more of 100% and that was wonderful. I was so excited for Casey. But why did we boil, you know, B-15 down to this? Nothing. Yeah, I feel like the the story that they wanted to tell was so, like, intimate with like very specific characters that like, they couldn't just forget about Hunter V-15 and they were like, just like put her in the room and have her react and that'd be great. She could still work that day.

42:17 She's just like, right now from this angle. And this is like, obviously not against her because she didn't make those decisions, but like. That's like one of my biggest grievances, and also like Sylvia felt like could have helped a little more. But it was all about Loki anyway. Sylvia got a. Haircut. I worked at McDonald's. So where do you think? After all this? Where do you think that leaves our cast? I mean, we know what Hunter B-15 is doing. She's making the TVA better. We saw OB with a new. TVA Guidebook. I loved that the colors were just, like flipped because it was like orange and yellow, and now it's yellow and orange or like whatever those colors were.

43:04 So I wonder what's in it. But like, where do you think? Like, this is, Sylvie? What do you think? Is Mobius just going to watch his other life this whole time? Like, I mean, I think that Mobius and Sylvie now have the free will to do whatever they want. I think that Sylvie is truly going to just be hopping from branch to branch, experiencing different things until some evil in the MCU pulls her back in. Mobius, on the other hand, I think is a is a very good question. I think that he is. I think he'll ultimately go back to the TVA. He'll ultimately want to work towards the greater good again. But I think he kind of needs a vacation. Maybe his heart is a little broken. Yeah, that's true. He said that his love is now a tree, is a gardener, is the eternal gardener. It's beautiful.

43:49 There is rumours that apparently the TVA, Miss Minutes and Mobius are going to be in Deadpool 3 because like supposedly I you know, Fast forward a little bit if you don't want to hear rumoured spoilers or whatever the synopsis of Deadpool Three is like. They recruit Deadpool to like get a team together. From various timelines, like the TV it is, So I don't know. We'll see if that's the actual thing, but I'm hoping to see him again. Me too. One of the biggest questions, I think is what is going on with Renslayer. So they make it a point when when Mobius tells B-15 that he is leaving, they make it a point to to take the camera down to his feet. And he, like, scuffs his shoe against this emblem in the floor of the TVA.

44:37 Then when we see Rensselaer laying in a field with a pyramid of the background, she's laying on top of the same emblem, right? So what does that mean? Is she in a different variant TVA? Why is she glowing all Purpley? Is she just going to become the next he who remains? Like these are big questions. Yeah, well, it is very. It's ominous, right? It's obviously we're not done. With Renslayer, she's going to up here in some way. She was essentially the cliffhanger for the series, I think. You know, there's multiple ways that you can think about it, right? Like, what is the Void itself like? Is it just a dumping ground where this giant smoke monster Oliath is walking around eating things? Or is it the future, where all things have ended and a lot of things have converged into one?

45:26 We still don't know, since the Kings are around. And they're going to happen. The multiversal war is probably still going to happen, if it hasn't happened already or something like that. We know King Dynasty is happening. We know Secret Wars is happening. Supposedly they haven't moved the dates yet, but we'll see. So is it possible that that's either the future and all of secret wars took place in the TVA or around it and it's just just destroyed? Or is that like a different TVA that got pruned and put in there? It's it's very interesting. Like, is the pruning not technically putting them in a different place, just putting them at the end of time?

46:10 What the hell is pruning? We'll never know. I need to know, but so do you think it was Elias that was there, or do you think it was a Kang? I think it was a Kang. I think that the fact that it felt so ominous and she was like, so like struck by it, it felt like she was seeing that face again. She gave like there was a split second at the end with her where she gave this look of like determination, where like she knew like I can take this on or like I know what's going to happen, or like whatever. I'm very curious to see what it is because we have the whole thing. The greater in real life, the greater things with the MCU.

46:53 We don't know what Marvel's going to be doing with Kang, that character or anything. So like, was there a version of this where, like, we saw that that was a Kang, but like, they're not sure, so they kind of cut him out and just made it. Oh, maybe. Ambiguously. I think it's weird that it didn't show, yeah. Who that was. So I think that I feel like this series season finale, whatever it is, actually answered a lot less questions than we may have had. And so in this instance, you know, we have that little plot line where Miss Minutes shows Ren Slayer, her creating the TVA with he who remains, right? So is this just her back at the start of that, seeing him again and they're going to rebuild it and go through the loop all over again?

47:45 Well, I think that's the question, right. It's like so. He remains, created this loop. Did Loki break it because he broke the equation? So like is the loop gone? And does that mean that like, maybe that was supposed to happen? But since it's not anymore, is the multiverse award still going to happen, but in a different way? Timely we We get a scene of timely at the end of this and he never got the book. No, he doesn't get the book as a kid. So like does he not grow up to then get introduced to a Kang and he remains to then bring RHWR to where it is. It's it's very like this is time travel, right? This if I think if you look too much into it, it just breaks down and it's like it's impossible. Maybe the question we have to ask is what color does Uwatu glow?

48:37 No. Is he purply? I think he's more bluey. Yeah, I know. I'm just like, who the heck is that purple? I think a lion, I think. Eliath was Purpley, and I think that's why I first assumed it was Eliath. But then, like, thinking about it, why wouldn't they show Eliath? That'd be weird. Not to Just to make us be like it's a cliffhanger, right? Evil. I don't know. That is a big question that we're left with. Another big question that we're left with. What's with the pie? Well, OK, this is me like being sad about everything and just thinking about it, right? So Loki is now the God of stories is whatever you want to call him. He's the most powerful being and he's spread out through all this time and everything.

49:21 Was the green Key Lime Pie just like an essence of Loki that was there all along? Is the time stone green because of Loki like? I'm just like thinking of all these things because he's holding all of time and timelines. Like, it would be weird if some of him wasn't bleeding through all of that. And then it just makes me sad because he's just saying hi. Do you Remember Me? Hey, hey, you guys want to come visit? You guys want? To bring me some pie, put on a little suit, come out and say hi. I'll give you fancy shoes. Someone go say horns. Someone.

50:03 So I think that's the the bigger question, right? I wanted to pose it to you and to our listeners. If this is a farewell to Loki, are you fine with that or do you see him appearing in the future in some way? Both. So yes, I am fine with this. I think this is a beautiful end to this series. I think that it really put a cap on who Loki has become and how selfless he has become. Do I think we're going to see him again? Absolutely. He is the most powerful being in all of existence. What about Gaia from Secret Invasion? Who? You know Daenerys?

50:45 Oh yeah, You know, I did like that fight. I know people had problems with that CGI fight, but I was like finally a fight anyway, not to bring up Secret Invasion. Why does Secret Invasion come up? I feel like we bring up Midnight Sun and Secret Invasion too much. Well, we started with Midnight Sun and Secret Evasion Just happened. And Edward Cullen is watching. But because he's so powerful, I think that he will find a way to create a little avatar of himself that he can send into other realities. You So you think that he's going to create? Yeah, that's like his deal. Yeah, I think, you know, I obviously I'm selfish and it's like I'm used to comic books where like characters are gone, but then they come back or whatever, like, so of course I want Loki and Tom Hiddleston to do this forever. I don't care if he's old, he can be like Richard E Grant from the last season and he's just in spandex and he's like fully support.

51:37 Yeah, but I think that they should like. Let him rest for a little bit. Like don't bring him back immediately, right. It's like we want this impact, we want him to do his thing. I do see depending on what happens with The Avengers movies, like give it like a like during end game where you know you hear in caps thing on your left and then all the portals open up. I want that moment for Loki when he comes in to like, save everybody. What is Loki going to say? He's going to say, Neil, I'm hi. He could be like what was the thing? Now I'm blanking on what they said the need help stick that him and Thor do like where he's like need help and he's like throws.

52:25 There you go. Yeah, I'm figuring out. Yeah. But like I'm I'm curious if. So these big event movies, they tend to like pull from different event comics and put them together. And there's a lot of talk of like pivoting from Kang and going to doom. But I'm almost curious if like, Loki is going to take the spot of Doom in like The Secret War comics, because like he's seen he's all powerful, he gained all these omnipotent abilities and everything very much like Doom does. Also, he's green. And so I could see kind of Loki being a very instrumental key to whatever is going to happen in Secret Wars. I mean, is there also something to say, which I'm sure you don't want, where Loki is, so over all your mortal bullshot that he's just going to let it happen and be like whatever.

53:14 No, because what if Mobius is in danger? He's not going to have that. Oh, that is true. He'll be down there in a second. He's like, let's let go of all the time and he's going to just smooch him right on the lips. And Mobius is going to say Loki, I've been waiting for eternity. I'm old now. Oh, I don't want it to end. I don't want to say goodbye. I I but I do think that if it was a send off for the character beautiful, it's great. I mean I I don't think he himself thought he would be in this position. Like Tom Hiddleston. No, like as the actor playing Loki because they try to kill him like like 2 times. Oh my God.

53:54 He got freaking choked out. He everything. Yeah. But now he's here. Play Spice Girls. Goodbye. Goodbye my friend. So all the. Words segue right away from that beautiful rendition. Anything that you want to say about Loki before we stop? It was terrible. Uh, huh. No. I think that although this second season was much different than the first season, I still think it was very entertaining. I was super happy to see this cast back together again, and I just think that that final moment of seeing Loki sitting there was just like a really heartbreaking button to this character.

54:37 But. Also, just so damn cool with it. Like in his Cape. He's pulling it. He's doing like a what, a butterfly crawl. Just like, oh, his pecs. Look at his pecs. He's going to be ripped by the time he's always had a booty, but now he's going to have pecs. But what do you rate it out of five? The season? Oh, the season out of A5. I'm going to give it a four. A four? Yeah. Rude. OK, I'm just kidding. No, like, this is like my most controversial thing that I'll say. I feel like you're going to hate me. I think that the second season could have been a movie. No, I think that they could have just boiled it down a little bit.

55:18 I don't think that we would have gotten the payoff that we got if we didn't sit with Loki because there. Was no villain or anything, you know? I just feel like we wouldn't have gotten those, like, small nuanced moments with him. It's like even the conversation he had with Sylvie in the bar where he finally admits, like, just like want my friends. Like, I just don't want to be alone. Is that too much to ask? Like, I feel like we wouldn't have those moments, would have had as much impact. OK, fair enough. It's. Just me. You can have your That's fine. Hey, listen, listen. This is a peaceful podcast though, Hey? So. Loved it. Obviously there's not much more I can say. Yeah. What do you rate it? 4 1/2 It's like it's so close to perfect.

56:01 I feel like don't include Hunter V-15 if you're not going to actually utilize the character. Yeah, that's like one of the biggest grievances I have with this. We never we didn't miss mention Miss minutes. It seems like they're not too worried that she's going to try to murder them. But also. Kobe's like, we'll see. I don't know. He's like I I can only do so much. She she always become sentient at some point in time. The I would have given a four, but since we got psychopathic and horny miss minutes, it bumped it up a half a star. I did love that part. See, I mean the the greatness of getting even more Miss minutes. In this we get many more faces of Miss minutes. We did so good.

56:43 OK, well, let us know what you thought. What docs? And Brad, what was with the weird heads I was? Trying not even to, like, acknowledge it. Because sorry, no, that just came back up. I'm pissed about it. What the hell was that? That was so bizarre and we're just supposed to be fine with it? Yeah. He watched his lover get squeezed like a grapefruit. We don't know if that was the lover situation though. Mother maybe. Bestie maybe? I mean, I don't go up to strangers and do that to them. You should try no, no no no. Not in this day, Not in this day and age. Not as a homosexual, no. No. Well, don't go out to him like, and why not?

57:26 Oh God, if I want to flounce up to somebody I have every right to Oh, there's there's a there's a thing in Will and Grace where he's doing a spelling bee and they think the word doily means the way you walk. Oh, he walked doily down the street. Doily so. Don't doily do that to some. Fair enough. Fair enough. All right. Well, next week Marvels, the Marvels. And then after that something very different. Do you like when we do different things? Book leading into a show. I hope you'll read along with us, oh mysterious all. Right.

58:10 That's a wrap on Loki. Oh my gosh, From the Tree of Time. We bid you adieu. Goodbye. Bye.