The Last of Us 8: When We Are in Need | HBO

0:01 Let's see what I go. Tell the others now. Ali. Yeah. What tell them that La has a little girl who broke her fucking finger. How did you put it? Hmm. Tiny little pieces. Hey, I'm Derek. And I'm Noah. And you're listening to a b 0 where we take our current favorite pop culture of session and enjoy it.

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2:04 Share this episode. If you liked this episode, tell your friends, tell the world. It's so easy on Twitter. You just hit the little retweet. You don't even gotta say anything. You just retweet it. They can see it. Oh my God. All right. Yeah. Okay, let's talk. All right, let's take a look back at The Last of Us. Episode 7, left behind another jovial, a chapter. Wait, wait, do we didn't? We already know. We didn't, we didn't. About this already. Oh, I thought we already talked about like I know we talked about it but I forgot we had to do. Look, back on that episode. We talk about it, right? Yeah, very cool. I'm saying listen, these, they're so sad. They all just blend together. Did we block an entire week out of our memories? That's what it sounds like.

2:47 All right, go ahead. All right, this holy, it's just so stoked, forget it, whatever it said. Okay as Joel lays in a basement on the brink of death, he tells a lie to go just as she's about to leave. We flash back to her days at the federal Academy Riley appears and takes her on a trip to see the for actually, five escalators included wonders of them, all Riley confides in Ellie that she has joined the fireflies and will be leaving the next day as the pair dance on a display case that a Halloween store, they share a kiss. The Magic Moment is broken by an infected after a fight with the monster. Both girls discover they have been bitten in the present, Ellie, finds a needle and thread I'd begin stitching Joel's wound refusing to lose someone else close to her, okay. Thanks, you're welcome you this season. You have the one job.

3:40 I do not like because you just remind us of that. And then we get to talk about the current. Let's relive some traumas. Let's talk about sad things again. And then you said things, alright. Spoiler alert for The Last of Us, pretty much season one. We got one episode left and I'm not going to spoil the game. So you're fine, you're free, you're free from that. All right, let us officially Take a bite of The Last of Us episode 8 when we are in need whoo. Great title for anything. I just love it when we already need. Well, it's not the sound of music but yeah. Hey, I could have been, I was doing more of a church choir.

4:22 So this episode Joel's still not doing good, he's doing worse, I would say is doing worse, he can't even keep his eyes open. It's a very not great experience for LA, but this episode gives us and Only a chance to see a little bit of a role reversal. Sure. Meow. So it's really taking the lead. Yeah. And in the game, when this happened, it was very much alike. I'm Ellie. Okay. I guess we're gonna do this. Yeah, so it was cool to have a very, I want to say Ellie centered episode. Yeah. Aside from the Silver Lake crew, but it was Ellie. And this is what it would be. Like if you were on your own and sadly for someone who is, I In on their own, for probably the first time. She's learned a lot.

5:10 She's grown a lot and she kicks a lot of, but yeah, but, you know, she did ask Joel did really help her with hunting and training and would have come in handy just a little bit, but she was still good. Yeah, a little hunting Excursion, she, she got some things done. Maybe not to the way that she wanted to complete them. They probably didn't all go as planned, but she was fearless and she used some tactics. But you know that everything worked out listen she tried her best because Joel Joel is an uninfected person during the entire time of the infected with an infection, what an infection to have when infections suck.

5:54 Then there's no medicine. Yeah. It's like the word is taboo but the dude has an infection. Yeah. It's just that, it's not good. You know. And Ellie is really trying her best. I mean, she She has the tiniest little scraps of food. She found some needle and thread, you couldn't ask for more from her. Well medicine from her calendar. You can't ask for more. She know. It's like well she she she should be a frickin pharmacist in canvas and figure it out. Yeah, well they didn't teach you that vegetable. Isn't it in Resident Evil? They're mixing herbs to create the ultimate healing object. I'm sure there's herbs.

6:36 A game. How do you heal in The Last of Us, you make like medpac? Okay. Yeah a lot of the game is like finding screws and bolts and like things to make your weapons more durable and also more pointy. Of course. It's so it is important. Yeah, there's a, there's actually a pretty cool game mechanic in there but you know, they don't have Med packs like they know and not not in the real world version, this one. Yeah. And the game you have to like after you have a certain amount of Med packs obviously, but the game doesn't instantly. Only hear you when you use it. Like the motion is there like wrapping their arm and stuff. So things are still coming, ashore. You as you're trying to heal yourself, it's it's trespassing. They're just gonna say that this game, this game. It's like emotionally manipulative, it's stressful. It's like everybody's like it's the greatest game on earth. It is to my grave, I will say.

7:31 Until there is one that is better. It's just narratively the best game. Is and probably ever will be. So I heard it here first, I believe you cosign, Noah, but so this, this episode very wintery. It's a very, it's a harsh harsh winter, but we get to see ye another group of people that, you know, aren't great and aren't doing so great as Ellie calls him, the hunger Club, yeah, they're obviously very hungry, but it's an interesting group to see. See because again the lines the moral compass. Where is it?

8:11 It's the the lines that people will go the things that they need to do. Because remember, Joel this whole time is like I've done things in my past as he done some of the things that these silver like people have. And I don't know, I don't know either. And I think there's an interesting juxtaposition here. You know, the last sort of big group that we saw was Tommy's group. Yeah, in Jackson and they were like la-di-da having movie Nights. Really understanding how to run civilization in a way and then we get to these people and you're like, oh, another group, they must really love it there. No, no. It's quite Apparent from the first scene that we get them.

8:52 So, they're having some type of funeral. There's a you love reading that David is doing Scott Shepherd plays. David the performance in this between Bella Ramsey and Scott Shepherd. I just this show does not miss. It doesn't miss with these people that they chose to play these characters. Oh, well, the nuances. Yeah, the looks the. The smirks. Oh my God. It's amazing. And between the two of them in their conversations, it throughout the entire episode. It's like the power keeps shifting. But yeah to them it's like oh, you feel like oh, David has the upper hand? No. No Ellie has the upper hand. They just keep shifting back and forth. It's a really interesting Dynamic to watch. Yeah, we get the sense that the first sin PSI. It's a in this episode that something isn't quite right? With this group is when the young girl of Alec who had passed away, that they're bearing her, you know, his daughter asked, can we bury him?

9:49 There's hesitation, hmm, there's hesitation there whenever he's talking to James played by Troy Baker, aka, the original voice actor for Joel know which I was expecting to hear Joel, but I guess it was just acting when he's doing the voice. He was acting. Yeah, doing his job but that was really the first First moment we got like, oh that's that's like why did why would you didn't answer it right away and I don't like that. Yeah. And in this scene, I think something else that I took note of is there felt like some people weren't look willing to look him in the eye, as he was speaking. People were avoiding his gaze, which made it feel like he held power over them and some of them weren't comfortable with it. It's very much like, they're his subjects and they have to do whatever. He says, they have to go to the readings, they have to go to church or what?

10:35 Listen to his sermons. Because what I mean, they left from Pittsburgh because that fedra qz went to hell. What are you going to do? You're in a blizzard I guess I don't know. Write a story together. I gotta. Yeah, the dynamic between David and Ellie is its term, oily. It's you'd like you said, who has the upper hand? Who doesn't I? Love the part? Where Ellie sees the deer. Right? She gets the deer, she's tracking it down but James and David or the one that finds it. And I'm just I'm just I just want to say, okay, but it out there. Cannibalism? Okay. They ate, they eat people. Yeah. The girl's father, they're eating him. They didn't bury him because they ate him that he's currently unlike the Butcher Block.

11:24 Yeah and I kind of definitely said in an earlier episode or maybe it was the patreon episode. I just I'm not comfortable with cattle. No. And there seems to be a lot of cannibalism. And properties lately. You it's trending hashtag trending, it wasn't the game, so 2013. All right, so they started the truth. But so there's something that they were, you know, they went to cannibalism, right? And there's a conversation before James and David go and find the deer and find Ellie and like, they're having a hard time finding food and hunting and they sent that group out where Alec died because Joel killed him.

12:04 Full circle here but it's like, okay. So this 14 year old girl, just walked outside. And 10 minutes later found a deer. Like, are you guys really do it? Are you trying or like it? Did you guys like want to eat each other? I well, I think David might of he's violent. Let's try it. Yeah, it's like very much like he's like I found religion. I know the body of Christ. It's a body. We got to eat bodies. We're eating, we're eating. Bodies. God body, eat, body, anybody Eat, Pray, Love Ya, Julia Roberts, obviously, that's right. So I thought that was funny because it's like this, this girl finds it very easily and was able to do it.

12:49 My other question though is is like didn't that guy like come swinging at Joel? Yeah. So it's well like they weren't if they were out looking for like they should eat in the monkeys on the campus like why are they trying Going to kill Joel. Well I think it was one of those things you know, the this show in this episode, I think paints different perspectives pretty well. So we got the role reversal where Elly is going to experience, what Joel kind of has to do on a daily basis and what violence the toll that it has on him, Maybe they thought Joel and Ellie were Hunters just like they died. So it's that's where I'm saying like the the line between good and evil or the more compasses.

13:36 It's very much blurred because are you really going to chance it? I don't know. So unfortunately Joel did kill that guy. It's like get before you get got. Exactly. Exactly. Just be nice. Just be nice. Just talk to each other. Yeah, Scott. Hi. Why you got a bat? What are you doing? I mean that is a good point. I don't think they really had guns. So I mean you know module, yeah. Well that's the thing with Joel though, right? Is that swings? First ask questions later he's at he might be sort of a leap before you look person in those types of situations. But in that moment, a couple of days before it, he was going to leave Ellie. So he has finally accepted the responsibility and in his mind he cannot Failed her but any any chance. So he needed to get rid of this person. That was coming at them.

14:28 I mean, not really mad at him hard to be, you know, unless David was like yeah, go out there looking for deer, but if you find a human wink, wink. Well hello. Only a few people knew especially venison. AKA young fellow girl made for grunting all groan, man. Well, as we know, he does not want the kids to Die, the young ones to die. Well, okay yeah. So yeah, I don't want to talk about that right now. We don't want to talk about it ever. Yeah. So the power of the conversation that Ellie and David have the first one I think is interesting and it shows just how fucked up David is really.

15:11 So he sends Jame off James off to go get the medicine. Great penicillin, we need it to happen that way. Joel is able to be Joel. Again the medpac we needed the medpac. Yeah but I'm glad it. It happened because I was thinking up to the scene. I was like how how is this going to happen? Like how is she going to get the medicine from them? So I'm glad that David was good on his promise for that, but the conversation is so weird. We find out that he didn't find God until after the apocalypse. But then, he also kind of talks about how, you know, he was a violent person before this like, he had a violent heart. He's the same way as Ellie.

15:51 So it's very Durning that that's that he divulges, this information. I don't know if he's just trying to connect with her, because he thinks that he sees that in her or they're similar. Well, it feels a little bit like, well, don't forget, he knows he already knows who Elias. Oh, my God, right, when he revealed that. Yeah. So you're so he's trying to keep her calm. He's trying to get her trust waiting for James to come back. Exactly. So he knows exactly what he's doing. I mean, the thing is, is that You know, she I think she said something to him like what are you a cult? And I don't think he knows necessarily denies it. He just said basic bible stuff. Yeah. So and so, don't forget with a lot of cult leaders, they're very charismatic and they have to win people over and he's playing that game with her and he has the thing that everybody needs.

16:39 So they're very much dependent on him and he plays into that, right? Yeah. It's very cold tea. Yeah, cannibal called you can't know. The place is bad. It is not like the winter Resort. I want to go to you guys are in a winter Resort. Like there's no, like be nice. Don't eat each other. Yeah, there's people are there, they're miserable they're just running these herbal and you know, I don't know. I don't know. I keep going back to Tommy because it's like how did they figure it out? Communism. There you go. That's the answer. Yeah. And they also had Maria running it. Like, I mean, come on the can't have this freaking dude running it because obviously just thinks the E people.

17:22 I do that was once maybe my literature some way but also math teacher. Well that's your know. Number one, watch out that Math teachers. Yeah, okay no offense any the Math teachers oh yeah the scene, where Elly find the gets back to Joel, she escapes for a minute gets back to Joel. I loved the realistic approach to her. Being like, I don't know where to put this medicine into the wound. Yeah, I guess like, it seemed to work. I was, I'm just thinking, like, I'm like, does she have to Find a vein what's happening? But yeah into the wound Works. Although no and I are both allergic to penicillin.

18:05 So we were watching this going. That would have been banned. Yeah. And he had for us what if he was too? And he couldn't he didn't have enough energy to tell her don't. Dude I have a cylinder and I kept thinking like how many milligrams does she know to put it on? Just like half, right? Half the needle, that's fine. The syringe is huge. She's like half of it. I, you know, you just can't think. I you know, and those moments you can't. Me thinking about that stuff. You just have to act its aggressive therapy. Yeah antibiotics lie. But yeah she got two injections then and it seemed like that's all that was needed to doses. Yeah. Oh my God. Okay. Okay. Cannibal seen. We have we have to mention it which one? Well the one thus to 1 this 2 1 so they're not even back with the deer yet.

18:53 We see that they have a whole bucket of meat which is a big red flag because they just said they didn't have meat. It was funny because I'm watching going like, wow, they really chop that deer up real quick. Nope. No, they didn't get back yet. He very select. Few people know about the cannibalism and eating the dead and every thing, the fact that this man, not only slapped the shit out of the daughter of the person, they're about to eat so hard that she flies off her chair but then watches, Her eat her father. And then how about the fact that he has the biggest plate?

19:34 Yeah. Like you. So, obviously, you know, it's messed up because he got more food than everyone because he's the leader or whatever. Let's talk about portions. But seriously, these people were like, scraping the ball after two spoonfuls, but he's sitting there eating a giant mound of her dad. Looking at her smiling. Yeah, dude. Is not okay, he's not great. It's Great though, for television a story because he's like, the most clear-cut villain. We've had this entire time. He's bad, he's Bad News Bears. He's not great agreed. The Bears are indeed bad. Yeah, news when he, when he goes back and says that we found the people that killed Alec, we're going to bring a search party together to go find her, they do find her, they find her and unfortunately, one of the saddest casualties of the season is Calais.

20:25 Horse. How dare like he y'all good boy. Y'all this episode though, they were like guess what? Dear dead? Guess what? Eating humans. Another thing gonna shoot this horse. What is happening? I'm I am so like, too many things are dying. They can't deal with it. Well, we have one more episode, so, oh my God. Now, they're just going to be killing dogs. Just know, right. Never they don't kill dogs. Yes, that's, that's crossing a line. Callus, the horse. Yes, yes. Dogs know that horse did such a good job? Yeah it was so sad. The moment that she's caught is very Upsetting because it's I feel like one of the first moments because we've seen flashbacks in the Riley episode. We knew that what she was going through isn't futile, because receive her in the present.

21:18 This one. It's it's so much loss of control. It's so much, like what? Like Joel is down there. Your protector. You're by yourself with men surrounding you. It's terrifying. And James is an interesting character. In this that he had no problem, wanting to kill her. And I don't know if it's because he actually believed that it's another mouth to feed, or he just wanted Vengeance for killing Alec. I also think there's something to be said about James knowing more about David than maybe some of the others. Do I think that in that decision in that moment? I think it's Vengeance mouths to feed and I also think it's sort of a thought of saving this girl from him.

22:03 Yeah, I got that. I got that a little A bit too. Like he almost didn't like it would be better if he just put her out of her misery and stead of subjecting her to David Wright which is like guys if you don't like there's more of you than him come on. But I'm but that's the thing though. I mean like that is the that is the thing about cults. How does one person gain control over so many times hundreds of people? Yeah it's amazing and like you're saying it's like but it's one person. How does one person I don't know. It's just Humanity. Yeah, in a time of need, we for some reason, need that one person to look to even if they're extremely flawed when were in need like today, there's no, don't do it.

22:50 The cage scene with David is probably one of my I think that the rest of this episode. So they're going to the climactic ending and everything. I think it's one of my favorite parts of this season so far. Because one, they didn't hold back. They really went full force into just this violent raw conversation, and explosive climax, but also it was shot really well. And this like, okay saying it again. Bella Ramsey, if she does not get an award of some sort like any award like HBO should just make one up for her. It's just phenomenal, it's so good.

23:32 The way that these characters play off of each And you can see this moment with her where she is. Very scared. She's backing away from the gate or the fence and David's trying to get, get to her, trying to peel back the layers a little bit but then I think she sees that she might be able to play it a little bit and she starts getting closer to him and that's when things get a little more icky than I thought they could have been. It's not fun. Yeah, and I think this again, that's this scene. Illustrates the thing I was talking about. Before our sort of the push and pull between them. One of the things I really loved was the blocking of this seemed like you were saying. And for that the first few moments it really was like, they were like ends of a magnet where the closer he would try to get there. She would push away from him.

24:20 And she kept tangling herself so that she was nowhere near him. Because, in a way she really was a caged animal, and she was ready to lash out, but she knew that she had to plan her strike. Well, yeah. And so when she saw him, Again trying to groom her trying to bring her in, trying to convince her to be a part of the, their, their group. She knew that she could lean into that and use it against him. Yeah, the, the moment of, you know, you think that he's just trying to recruit her right and just join the cult, your violent, just like me. He says a violent heart, which I think no Craig Mazin and Inside the episode of your watch, it, I like what he said about that because of violent heart is a line that they, they added to this and it almost describes Ellie and how you feel about her and he said you loved her but you're also terrified of her.

25:08 Hmm. And that really sums up Ellie as a whole. Yeah. And he's saying that he relates to that and you can see that. Yeah. Because he does have the Charisma. He does have that warmth ohm us and it seems like at first he does care for the people but then there's those nasty dark parts that he wants to show and private and people are at their most vulnerable. I feel like Ellie and this episode is is in the center of sort of this Venn diagram. And on one side is David and on the other side is Joel and David is sort of well Joel is like chaotic good and David is chaotic evil. And in this episode, it's kind of like she's going back and forth between what kind of chaos she's going to be in the world.

25:53 Yeah because as we know Joel now yes we know his past was he did some bad things but he exists in this plane of chaos but for for good. Now now, whereas David is chaos but bad and so we CLE sort of like swerving in between these two things because it almost seems like she has both facets. Yeah, of those two people but it's like which way she going to end up leaning and that's sort of the question. Yeah. And it will be interesting to see how they continue her art, because she does she's violent. And she, I think that she sees the The toll that it took on Joel and she feels that by the end of this episode but how she deals with that and how Joel cares for her after that is really going to be the deciding factor between if she's going to go more David side, obviously not totally David side but just more violent and violent or more healing and dealing with it and a little bit more of an appropriate way.

26:56 Sure with Joel. It's like, it's like violence for good to create good in a way. Violence to get rid of bad people or violence to just be evil violence well in their control, the survivability factor of this world that they're in. Now the violence is a thing that is always going to have solutely and you're going to need to do it. Unfortunately because there are the David's there, there's the Kathleen's. Doesn't mean that you seek that out. And that's really where David falters in that. I mean, the moral compass is completely shattered, and I think that in, those contests is just spinning. Yeah, it's not a compass anymore. It's just a nice decorative thing. That doesn't give a shit, it's exploded. Yeah, they're pretty.

27:39 I mean, they're kind of, like morality is not necessarily a thing as we know it, you know, in real life where there's like, sort of, you know, I think a lot of times there's black, there's white, there's gray, but it just feels like There's nothing in this Society. Yes right it's not morality is something that you don't really have time to think about in a lot of situations because it's either you actor they act it's almost in the instances like Joel and the episode where he decided to carrot keep going for Ellie that's almost the instances where morality is showing itself and where you feel that tug like, okay, this is the right thing to do. I should be doing this, I shouldn't subject.

28:19 My brother that is going to be Having a baby to go on this journey, right? Yeah, totally. Yeah, so, I mean, The cage seen the moment that he puts his hands on the rail. Yeah. And she kind of goes in there but then he kind of Cups him a little bit. I just like that those things I don't like in any horror that I read I don't like the it's like a child wife type situation. Like you really got that feeling from him and it's just so uncomfortable, obviously it should be but like the links that this dude is trying to go He just met her. What? Like I mean I don't know her. Yeah it's this.

29:01 That's the thing. I think. That's so sort of gross about it is that he just immediately see. He's like a predator and she is pray. Yeah. And and he's just immediately ready to to attack. Yeah. And it's disgusting. Yeah. It's disgusting and layered on top of the cannibalism and and, and Ellie again is 14 and we're seeing her half. Have like, put all these puzzle pieces together and look at the picture and then figure out how to get out of the picture. I think the moment that she realized that it's not going to go well like she has to get out and get back to Joel is when she asked about her friend in this scene and you know he's like if you do this do this you know, whatever you can come and we will be fine. And she was like and my friend and he was like well we'll see like he hesitated that and that's when I think she was like, okay, it's not going.

29:56 Go. Well, like I can't, if Joel doesn't make it out of this alive, if I can't protect him, I can't be here and I need to get out, right? And she tries, she tries so hard. She almost get those keys. She she's like breaks his finger. She tries to get those keys. He slammed her head into thin, the bars multiple times. And one of the coolest things that she has said this entire season so far, and she says her name, and then she was, like, tell them the little girl Ellie. The one that broke your finger so good. Oh my gosh. So, good talk about aligned delivered. Yeah, and like from this point, I mean her her acting throughout her performance throughout the entire episode is so good.

30:42 But from from the cage on out, it's just watching a transformation. So Mellie suspenseful so 10, so full of Rage. So full of Rage. I mean it's just Just so good. These are the, these are the scenes that they had to nail for this show to be successful because they could have easily just did it. Mmm and didn't really sit with it or didn't really go to that extreme because we haven't really gotten infected. I mean we got infected in the last one but it was a flashback and they said that they were going. It's going to be sparse, the violence is going to be sparse, and when it does happen, it's going to mean something.

31:23 And they delivered in this episode, this episode was very Ellen, tweet, I mean, just talking about the violence. So our friend, Joel, he does wake up in the basement and he takes two of these guys hostage and does. Some does some things that had me closing my eyes, but going like, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, this scene is is very Infamous with the having him Mark where they are and where Elly is on the map with the knife that he just pulled out of the guys knee. He's pissed. He's so, So pissed. And this is a glimpse of the Joel that was before Ellie. Hmm. Like this is Rage. Joel and there's there's something to be said about Joel's anger that it's not only at the outside, you know, forces.

32:13 But it's also I think a lot of internal anger, you know. I think it's that thing of. How did I let her get away? How did I get hurt? Hospital has happened. Yeah, yeah. And so that that's a big driving force in all of this is his own. GE towards him getting hurt or making a bad decision and he's not and he's willing to do whatever it takes to to save her. Yeah, I love the again, the role reversal of this episode, you expect him to save her, you expect. Because that's what's been happening this entire time, leading up to when Joel finally get reunited with Ellie him, seeing the trail of blood, seeing the back rack, seeing the bodies I mean, just like thinking about what he must be thinking and that moment and He still even though he doesn't know if she's dead or not or where she is or what happened to her, he still grabs her backpack and he's like, I'm gonna find her like she's going to be okay. I'm gonna find her.

33:06 It's just yeah. Like I'm so sorry guys. I'm so sorry for these two characters I dislike you know I did when she fell off the horse, her backpack goes flying and I was like glue off those like know her pun book. She needs her pun book and then she got it back. Don't do got her backpack for her. Yeah. So Okay, the fight between David and la so terrifying. It was probably one of the scenes that felt the most like the game because you see, David trying to lure her at taunting saying, things, taunting her. And she's trying to hide. She's hiding behind things. She's running to the other side. Ouch crouch, crouch.

33:48 Exactly. It's like, oh my God, what is going to happen? Lights the place on fire. Amazing backdrop. I mean, yeah, why not? Good luck with your shell? For now, you stupid son of a bitch but the moment where he does get the upper hand a little bit and it seems like he's about to assault her in a different way, which is like going to yet. Like dude I mean just one the place is burning down like that's how awful. This guy is a piece of shit. I mean, can't even have that awareness of like your guys are gonna die. Well, he's so Hell-bent on, just, you know, look, yeah.

34:29 And Harvey. She gets the upper hand with that, meat cleaver, the same one that killed, that killed saddled James. But oh, man. And she goes in, she all the rage, everything just pours out on to David's face with the meat cleaver. I had this moment when she was laying into him like that, where I first I was like, yes, get him, get him, but then as it kept going you're like wait a minute. Minute. This means something more this because I feel like in a lot of movies or television shows. When a scene like this happens, the person leaves in like, yeah, I did it. It's been awesome but you could see in this moment that something else is happening.

35:10 Yeah, that there is she has crossed a line that she's never going to be able to back back away from. I mean, look at, you know, first time she really killed, somebody was to save Joel and it was a moment that she had to act right then and there and she brushed It Off. In this one, the amount of things that she's having to do she's faced with so much violence and actually being the one to carry it out and so much different than somebody protecting you and doing it for you. And she's seeing that firsthand and for her to just not be able to stop when clearly he's done. I think by like whack too, he's probably done, but then after 17, there's something changing this characters changing their Into something that could go one way or the other. Mhm.

36:00 And when she gets out and she gets out of that Lodge. And she just like, Nothing, like she's obviously terrified, and she like, but she's like, she's just going, she just needs to go. Yeah, she just starts walking. She's out like autopilot autopilot? Yeah, he's just out of there, Joel finding her and she freaking out because she doesn't know, just she's just who has me now. Yeah, rage mode. Ah, she goes in for that hug and he cried, I cried cried. And it's hard to talk about this because it's so good. They did it in such a way where you're like, oh my God, like this wasn't just the person overcoming, the enemy. This is more. This is this is the true loss of Innocence, this is it. It's over.

36:45 She has fully crossed over into being an adult at 14 years old. There is nothing that can take her back from this. Yeah, her saying he tried and then him stopping her because he knows he knows that anything that was in there. You didn't deserve any of it. Yeah. And you don't need to tell me right now and he just holds her and says baby girl, which he hasn't said since Sarah and I love the shot, I sad shot, but I love when it shows her back. He's holding her. And the watch is really the center of that shot, and it's just man and he's, he's fully developing into this, she's not cargo anymore, she is more than that and she's developing into rage.

37:31 Yeah, violence and experiencing that. And but it's nice to see her want Joel. Well, I mean, at the, at the end of it all, that's what she went through. All this for me to save him, You know, and you know, we've been talking a lot about morality in this episode but I think even though she has all this rage her her moral compass points, her to knowing that this is a good person. This is a person. I have to save. This is a person who means a lot to me and she can identify with right? Yeah. And so that bond is what is driving her what drove her through this entire episode and that bond is also. What drove Joel through the second half of this episode they are forever bonded now It's gone past like you said cargo. It's a father and a daughter.

38:18 Yeah. Yeah. Which is beautiful to see. It's unfortunate that we have to see it in these circumstances. I just wish they'd stay in Jackson. You know, just stay with them, but there is the question. I don't think we talk about it that much, and I don't think it's really brought up that much in the show because so much stuff happens. Is she has to save everybody. Yeah, like she still has that. That responsibility, the hope that this could possibly be the thing to save the world. But there's also that question of ok, a cure can be made. Then what? Right. How do you rebuild a world that knew what it was before and has grown to the after I do you do that? Like is there a I'm real quick.

39:09 I just want to know, is there a story that anybody knows of like a book or whatever of a The rebuilding after that because I don't I can't think of one. Well actually. Now I haven't read the book World War Z but the movie World War Z took a lot of Liberties. I believe of what actually World War Z was about and the Book World War Z. I'm pretty sure is actually about rebuilding the world after the spread zombies. Interesting. I did hear that. It was very different from the book and they focused on like one story. Yeah. When there was more than that but that's interesting I might have To actually read that at some point. Yeah. Because it's very, I mean, I really like the movie, but I remember I remember hearing that it was the, it really was not the storyline of the book. Purse a good movie though.

39:55 I love that movie, so good. But I do think that like I yeah, I wonder like, Okay. So let's say we get Ellie's blood, we don't know, spin it around a bit and then we have the Cure. I think there's more than that. But yeah, like it's like, what are you gonna do for the thousands of people? Hundreds of thousands of people that are zombies already. Like, that's not going to fix that problem. Well, I think it would make it easier to be able to exterminate that bit. You could yeah yourself. Before you wouldn't. Yeah, you wouldn't change. So because that's the thing about and that's what separates it from some other zombie things. You know, Walking Dead. Everybody's infected already because when you die, you turn into a zombie, right? This one, you can die but as long as you didn't get infected or bitten, your fine.

40:43 Yeah. I mean, so I don't know. I, it's interesting. It's an interesting thought to think about because this world and we see the Kathleen's, we see the David's, we see how the Koozies work we see Federer, and it's like, can it rebuild? I mean, it's going to be so fracture, right? Absolutely wouldn't be States how they were, you know, hey guys, we found the thing. Oops, we killed you like, like it would just be Marlon and florins just being the best people and fine. I'm telling you, we need that spin-off. I think they need to make a bonus episode of this season of just the two of them. So we could all just breathe for a little bit. Yeah. Just an episode of their life being delightful and that cabin we need to decompress. Yeah, we really do.

41:31 I mean, this episode being as awful as it was for television and four-story sake, really good. It's just, it's what makes this property and what made this. Video game so good because of the way. It's written. Mmm, and it's not just, oh, there's a cannibal This is not just that it's so multi-layered than that that I just so you know I think there's also another layer of this that is creepy is that they spend like you know the big storyline throughout this is that they spend time hoping not to get bitten by other humans and then this group of people is willingly eating other humans.

42:12 Yeah I mean she almost saved herself when they were about to chop her up and she's like I'm infected mmm. Which you know don't tell people that you were bitten and infected because we have the safe Flee, get you to the Firefly this what that was her last resort that you have only thing she had to use at that point and I'm curious. I mean, I would assume that if somebody is in fact, it and somebody ate infected meat, I would assume that they would get infected but also so she's I mean is she technically infected She Was Bitten. Yeah. Doesn't have the effects of the infection but if she bites someone, do they get infected? Oh, um, well you know I don't know, maybe not Maybe it will, it's probably one of the so you guys, I'm not a scientist, I don't know.

42:56 I'm not like, I don't know, I'm not a disease ologist and stuff like that, but like these are you would think that everybody would be after the pandemic. But no, no, I mean it's probably one of those things where it's in her, but it's not active, it's like HPV. Yeah. But so I mean, because the readers that show, if you're infected or not shows that she is infected, so, whatever it's reading, it could still show that. She's so very early. Sure, but she might not be able to pass it. Meow, I guess. No, I guess. Yeah, Neil druckmann. Tell us. Hello. We're asking a very important question. How about this? Ebenbolter, if you're listening to this text Neil druckmann and then tell him to go onto Twitter. Yeah.

43:44 And at a bite of pot. Yes. An answer. Although he bites somebody. Do they become infected important? This is an important question. Yeah. Or if anybody knows, just comment below. Yeah. Comment below. So we have one more episode left, one more episode and it looks to be a lot. I've heard I heard that it's like 45 minutes really? Which makes it like the shortest. I think it seems like two hours. No like wild crazy to me. We're supposed to get fireflies again because that's the end of the first game. Apparently, they're adding Anna, who is Ellie's mom into this?

44:27 Played by the voice actor, that voice Telly. That's so cool. So cool. And also, the journey to get to the Firefly, so it had to be five minutes. Yeah, it's gonna be bam, bam, bam. Yeah, yeah. And I believe Bella Ramsey said that the season finale is going to divide people dramatically. It's going to be such a cliffhanger. I know it. I got is going to be brutal. I mean, Imagine we're going to have like we're going to wait two years for season 2. I'm going to be like please show the last season on the Last of Us. Yeah two years like a remember or just listen to this podcast that's true, I'll just set aside. Nine hours to listen to us again. Oh man.

45:09 Alright well next week the finale this is it. This was the penultimate episode whoo finale next week and yeah, so hopefully the next thing that we talked about Will Beyond sad, fingers crossed, please. We'll see, and Maids, tale coming up next. Oh my gosh. All three. Four seasons, and the books. No. All right. Bye. Thanks for listening to a bite of artwork and editing by our own Noah. Be sure to follow us on Instagram and Twitter at a bite of pod and on Facebook at a bite of if you have any questions recommendations or just want to say hi, you can contact us on a bite of Of pod.com. Please be sure to subscribe rate and review to spread the word. See you next time on a bite of bye. Of pod.com.

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