The Last of Us 8: When We Are in Need | HBO

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Let's see what I go.
Tell the others now.

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Ali.
Yeah.

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What tell them that La has a
little girl who broke her

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fucking finger.
How did you put it?

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Hmm.
Tiny little pieces.

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Hey, I'm Derek.
And I'm Noah.

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And you're listening to a b 0
where we take our current

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favorite pop culture of session
and enjoy it.

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One nibble at a time, whoo-hoo
nibble, new week, new episode,

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new Last of Us.
Whoo, say it, say it.

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What it's the, what episode
though?

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What nibble, okay.
I was going to get ruined it.

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I didn't ruin anything.
I'm so excited to hear you say.

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Yeah.
Okay.

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It's the penultimate episode of
The Last of Us and it's fine.

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We're fine, everything's fine.
Everything's fine, everything is

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Okay, let's talk.
All right, let's take a look

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back at The Last of Us.
Episode 7, left behind another

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jovial, a chapter.
Wait, wait, do we didn't?

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We already know.
We didn't, we didn't.

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About this already.
Oh, I thought we already talked

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about like I know we talked
about it but I forgot we had to

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do.
Look, back on that episode.

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We talk about it, right?
Yeah, very cool.

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I'm saying listen, these,
they're so sad.

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They all just blend together.
Did we block an entire week out

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of our memories?
That's what it sounds like.

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All right, go ahead.
All right, this holy, it's just

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so stoked, forget it, whatever
it said.

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Okay as Joel lays in a basement
on the brink of death, he tells

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a lie to go just as she's about
to leave.

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We flash back to her days at the
federal Academy Riley appears

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and takes her on a trip to see
the for actually, five

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escalators included wonders of
them, all Riley confides in

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Ellie that she has joined the
fireflies and will be leaving

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the next day as the pair dance
on a display case that a

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Halloween store, they share a
kiss.

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The Magic Moment is broken by an
infected after a fight with the

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monster.
Both girls discover they have

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been bitten in the present,
Ellie, finds a needle and thread

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I'd begin stitching Joel's wound
refusing to lose someone else

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close to her, okay.
Thanks, you're welcome you this

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season.
You have the one job.

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I do not like because you just
remind us of that.

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And then we get to talk about
the current.

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Let's relive some traumas.
Let's talk about sad things

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again.
And then you said things,

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alright.
Spoiler alert for The Last of

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Us, pretty much season one.
We got one episode left and I'm

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not going to spoil the game.
So you're fine, you're free,

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you're free from that.
All right, let us officially

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Take a bite of The Last of Us
episode 8 when we are in need

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whoo.
Great title for anything.

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I just love it when we already
need.

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Well, it's not the sound of
music but yeah.

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Hey, I could have been, I was
doing more of a church choir.

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So this episode Joel's still not
doing good, he's doing worse, I

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would say is doing worse, he
can't even keep his eyes open.

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It's a very not great experience
for LA, but this episode gives

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us and Only a chance to see a
little bit of a role reversal.

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Sure.
Meow.

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So it's really taking the lead.
Yeah.

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And in the game, when this
happened, it was very much

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alike.
I'm Ellie.

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Okay.
I guess we're gonna do this.

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Yeah, so it was cool to have a
very, I want to say Ellie

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centered episode.
Yeah.

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Aside from the Silver Lake crew,
but it was Ellie.

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And this is what it would be.
Like if you were on your own and

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sadly for someone who is, I In
on their own, for probably the

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first time.
She's learned a lot.

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She's grown a lot and she kicks
a lot of, but yeah, but, you

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know, she did ask Joel did
really help her with hunting and

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training and would have come in
handy just a little bit, but she

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was still good.
Yeah, a little hunting

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Excursion, she, she got some
things done.

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Maybe not to the way that she
wanted to complete them.

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They probably didn't all go as
planned, but she was fearless

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and she used some tactics.
But you know that everything

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worked out listen she tried her
best because Joel Joel is an

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uninfected person during the
entire time of the infected with

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an infection, what an infection
to have when infections suck.

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Then there's no medicine.
Yeah.

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It's like the word is taboo but
the dude has an infection.

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Yeah.
It's just that, it's not good.

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You know.
And Ellie is really trying her

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best.
I mean, she She has the tiniest

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little scraps of food.
She found some needle and

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thread, you couldn't ask for
more from her.

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Well medicine from her calendar.
You can't ask for more.

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She know.
It's like well she she she

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should be a frickin pharmacist
in canvas and figure it out.

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Yeah, well they didn't teach you
that vegetable.

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Isn't it in Resident Evil?
They're mixing herbs to create

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the ultimate healing object.
I'm sure there's herbs.

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A game.
How do you heal in The Last of

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Us, you make like medpac?
Okay.

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Yeah a lot of the game is like
finding screws and bolts and

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like things to make your weapons
more durable and also more

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pointy.
Of course.

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It's so it is important.
Yeah, there's a, there's

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actually a pretty cool game
mechanic in there but you know,

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they don't have Med packs like
they know and not not in the

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real world version, this one.
Yeah.

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And the game you have to like
after you have a certain amount

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of Med packs obviously, but the
game doesn't instantly.

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Only hear you when you use it.
Like the motion is there like

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wrapping their arm and stuff.
So things are still coming,

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ashore.
You as you're trying to heal

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yourself, it's it's trespassing.
They're just gonna say that this

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game, this game.
It's like emotionally

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manipulative, it's stressful.
It's like everybody's like it's

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the greatest game on earth.
It is to my grave, I will say.

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Until there is one that is
better.

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It's just narratively the best
game.

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Is and probably ever will be.
So I heard it here first, I

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believe you cosign, Noah, but so
this, this episode very wintery.

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It's a very, it's a harsh harsh
winter, but we get to see ye

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another group of people that,
you know, aren't great and

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aren't doing so great as Ellie
calls him, the hunger Club,

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yeah, they're obviously very
hungry, but it's an interesting

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group to see.
See because again the lines the

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moral compass.
Where is it?

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It's the the lines that people
will go the things that they

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need to do.
Because remember, Joel this

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whole time is like I've done
things in my past as he done

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some of the things that these
silver like people have.

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And I don't know, I don't know
either.

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And I think there's an
interesting juxtaposition here.

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You know, the last sort of big
group that we saw was Tommy's

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group.
Yeah, in Jackson and they were

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like la-di-da having movie
Nights.

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Really understanding how to run
civilization in a way and then

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we get to these people and
you're like, oh, another group,

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they must really love it there.
No, no.

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It's quite Apparent from the
first scene that we get them.

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So, they're having some type of
funeral.

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There's a you love reading that
David is doing Scott Shepherd

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plays.
David the performance in this

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between Bella Ramsey and Scott
Shepherd.

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I just this show does not miss.
It doesn't miss with these

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people that they chose to play
these characters.

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Oh, well, the nuances.
Yeah, the looks the.

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The smirks.
Oh my God.

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It's amazing.
And between the two of them in

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their conversations, it
throughout the entire episode.

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It's like the power keeps
shifting.

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But yeah to them it's like oh,
you feel like oh, David has the

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upper hand?
No.

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No Ellie has the upper hand.
They just keep shifting back and

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forth.
It's a really interesting

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Dynamic to watch.
Yeah, we get the sense that the

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first sin PSI.
It's a in this episode that

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something isn't quite right?
With this group is when the

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young girl of Alec who had
passed away, that they're

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bearing her, you know, his
daughter asked, can we bury him?

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There's hesitation, hmm, there's
hesitation there whenever he's

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talking to James played by Troy
Baker, aka, the original voice

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actor for Joel know which I was
expecting to hear Joel, but I

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guess it was just acting when
he's doing the voice.

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He was acting.
Yeah, doing his job but that was

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really the first First moment we
got like, oh that's that's like

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why did why would you didn't
answer it right away and I don't

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like that.
Yeah.

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And in this scene, I think
something else that I took note

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of is there felt like some
people weren't look willing to

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look him in the eye, as he was
speaking.

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People were avoiding his gaze,
which made it feel like he held

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power over them and some of them
weren't comfortable with it.

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It's very much like, they're his
subjects and they have to do

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whatever.
He says, they have to go to the

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readings, they have to go to
church or what?

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Listen to his sermons.
Because what I mean, they left

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from Pittsburgh because that
fedra qz went to hell.

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What are you going to do?
You're in a blizzard I guess I

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don't know.
Write a story together.

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I gotta.
Yeah, the dynamic between David

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and Ellie is its term, oily.
It's you'd like you said, who

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has the upper hand?
Who doesn't I?

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Love the part?
Where Ellie sees the deer.

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Right?
She gets the deer, she's

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tracking it down but James and
David or the one that finds it.

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And I'm just I'm just I just
want to say, okay, but it out

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there.
Cannibalism?

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Okay.
They ate, they eat people.

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Yeah.
The girl's father, they're

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eating him.
They didn't bury him because

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they ate him that he's currently
unlike the Butcher Block.

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Yeah and I kind of definitely
said in an earlier episode or

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maybe it was the patreon
episode.

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I just I'm not comfortable with
cattle.

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No.
And there seems to be a lot of

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cannibalism.
And properties lately.

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You it's trending hashtag
trending, it wasn't the game, so

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2013.
All right, so they started the

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truth.
But so there's something that

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they were, you know, they went
to cannibalism, right?

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And there's a conversation
before James and David go and

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find the deer and find Ellie and
like, they're having a hard time

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finding food and hunting and
they sent that group out where

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Alec died because Joel killed
him.

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Full circle here but it's like,
okay.

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So this 14 year old girl, just
walked outside.

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And 10 minutes later found a
deer.

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Like, are you guys really do it?
Are you trying or like it?

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Did you guys like want to eat
each other?

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I well, I think David might of
he's violent.

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Let's try it.
Yeah, it's like very much like

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he's like I found religion.
I know the body of Christ.

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It's a body.
We got to eat bodies.

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We're eating, we're eating.
Bodies.

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God body, eat, body, anybody
Eat, Pray, Love Ya, Julia

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Roberts, obviously, that's
right.

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So I thought that was funny
because it's like this, this

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girl finds it very easily and
was able to do it.

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My other question though is is
like didn't that guy like come

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swinging at Joel?
Yeah.

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So it's well like they weren't
if they were out looking for

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like they should eat in the
monkeys on the campus like why

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are they trying Going to kill
Joel.

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Well I think it was one of those
things you know, the this show

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in this episode, I think paints
different perspectives pretty

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well.
So we got the role reversal

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where Elly is going to
experience, what Joel kind of

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has to do on a daily basis and
what violence the toll that it

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has on him, Maybe they thought
Joel and Ellie were Hunters just

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like they died.
So it's that's where I'm saying

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like the the line between good
and evil or the more compasses.

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It's very much blurred because
are you really going to chance

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it?
I don't know.

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So unfortunately Joel did kill
that guy.

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It's like get before you get
got.

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Exactly.
Exactly.

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Just be nice.
Just be nice.

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Just talk to each other.
Yeah, Scott.

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Hi.
Why you got a bat?

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What are you doing?
I mean that is a good point.

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I don't think they really had
guns.

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So I mean you know module, yeah.
Well that's the thing with Joel

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though, right?
Is that swings?

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First ask questions later he's
at he might be sort of a leap

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before you look person in those
types of situations.

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But in that moment, a couple of
days before it, he was going to

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leave Ellie.
So he has finally accepted the

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responsibility and in his mind
he cannot Failed her but any any

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chance.
So he needed to get rid of this

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person.
That was coming at them.

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I mean, not really mad at him
hard to be, you know, unless

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David was like yeah, go out
there looking for deer, but if

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you find a human wink, wink.
Well hello.

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Only a few people knew
especially venison.

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AKA young fellow girl made for
grunting all groan, man.

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Well, as we know, he does not
want the kids to Die, the young

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ones to die.
Well, okay yeah.

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So yeah, I don't want to talk
about that right now.

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We don't want to talk about it
ever.

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Yeah.
So the power of the conversation

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that Ellie and David have the
first one I think is interesting

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and it shows just how fucked up
David is really.

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So he sends Jame off James off
to go get the medicine.

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Great penicillin, we need it to
happen that way.

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Joel is able to be Joel.
Again the medpac we needed the

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medpac.
Yeah but I'm glad it.

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It happened because I was
thinking up to the scene.

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I was like how how is this going
to happen?

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Like how is she going to get the
medicine from them?

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So I'm glad that David was good
on his promise for that, but the

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conversation is so weird.
We find out that he didn't find

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God until after the apocalypse.
But then, he also kind of talks

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about how, you know, he was a
violent person before this like,

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he had a violent heart.
He's the same way as Ellie.

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So it's very Durning that that's
that he divulges, this

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information.
I don't know if he's just trying

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to connect with her, because he
thinks that he sees that in her

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or they're similar.
Well, it feels a little bit

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like, well, don't forget, he
knows he already knows who

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Elias.
Oh, my God, right, when he

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revealed that.
Yeah.

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So you're so he's trying to keep
her calm.

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He's trying to get her trust
waiting for James to come back.

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Exactly.
So he knows exactly what he's

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doing.
I mean, the thing is, is that

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You know, she I think she said
something to him like what are

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you a cult?
And I don't think he knows

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necessarily denies it.
He just said basic bible stuff.

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Yeah.
So and so, don't forget with a

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lot of cult leaders, they're
very charismatic and they have

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to win people over and he's
playing that game with her and

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he has the thing that everybody
needs.

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So they're very much dependent
on him and he plays into that,

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right?
Yeah.

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It's very cold tea.
Yeah, cannibal called you can't

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know.
The place is bad.

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It is not like the winter
Resort.

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I want to go to you guys are in
a winter Resort.

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Like there's no, like be nice.
Don't eat each other.

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Yeah, there's people are there,
they're miserable they're just

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running these herbal and you
know, I don't know.

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I don't know.
I keep going back to Tommy

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because it's like how did they
figure it out?

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Communism.
There you go.

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That's the answer.
Yeah.

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And they also had Maria running
it.

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Like, I mean, come on the can't
have this freaking dude running

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it because obviously just thinks
the E people.

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I do that was once maybe my
literature some way but also

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math teacher.
Well that's your know.

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Number one, watch out that Math
teachers.

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Yeah, okay no offense any the
Math teachers oh yeah the scene,

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where Elly find the gets back to
Joel, she escapes for a minute

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gets back to Joel.
I loved the realistic approach

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to her.
Being like, I don't know where

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to put this medicine into the
wound.

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Yeah, I guess like, it seemed to
work.

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I was, I'm just thinking, like,
I'm like, does she have to Find

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a vein what's happening?
But yeah into the wound Works.

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Although no and I are both
allergic to penicillin.

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So we were watching this going.
That would have been banned.

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Yeah.
And he had for us what if he was

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too?
And he couldn't he didn't have

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enough energy to tell her don't.
Dude I have a cylinder and I

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kept thinking like how many
milligrams does she know to put

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it on?
Just like half, right?

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Half the needle, that's fine.
The syringe is huge.

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She's like half of it.
I, you know, you just can't

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think.
I you know, and those moments

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you can't.
Me thinking about that stuff.

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You just have to act its
aggressive therapy.

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Yeah antibiotics lie.
But yeah she got two injections

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then and it seemed like that's
all that was needed to doses.

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Yeah.
Oh my God.

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Okay.
Okay.

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Cannibal seen.
We have we have to mention it

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which one?
Well the one thus to 1 this 2 1

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so they're not even back with
the deer yet.

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We see that they have a whole
bucket of meat which is a big

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red flag because they just said
they didn't have meat.

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It was funny because I'm
watching going like, wow, they

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really chop that deer up real
quick.

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Nope.
No, they didn't get back yet.

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He very select.
Few people know about the

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cannibalism and eating the dead
and every thing, the fact that

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this man, not only slapped the
shit out of the daughter of the

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person, they're about to eat so
hard that she flies off her

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chair but then watches, Her eat
her father.

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And then how about the fact that
he has the biggest plate?

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Yeah.
Like you.

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So, obviously, you know, it's
messed up because he got more

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food than everyone because he's
the leader or whatever.

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Let's talk about portions.
But seriously, these people were

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like, scraping the ball after
two spoonfuls, but he's sitting

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there eating a giant mound of
her dad.

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Looking at her smiling.
Yeah, dude.

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Is not okay, he's not great.
It's Great though, for

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television a story because he's
like, the most clear-cut

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villain.
We've had this entire time.

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He's bad, he's Bad News Bears.
He's not great agreed.

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The Bears are indeed bad.
Yeah, news when he, when he goes

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back and says that we found the
people that killed Alec, we're

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going to bring a search party
together to go find her, they do

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find her, they find her and
unfortunately, one of the

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saddest casualties of the season
is Calais.

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Horse.
How dare like he y'all good boy.

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Y'all this episode though, they
were like guess what?

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Dear dead?
Guess what?

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Eating humans.
Another thing gonna shoot this

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horse.
What is happening?

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I'm I am so like, too many
things are dying.

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They can't deal with it.
Well, we have one more episode,

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so, oh my God.
Now, they're just going to be

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killing dogs.
Just know, right.

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Never they don't kill dogs.
Yes, that's, that's crossing a

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line.
Callus, the horse.

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Yes, yes.
Dogs know that horse did such a

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good job?
Yeah it was so sad.

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The moment that she's caught is
very Upsetting because it's I

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feel like one of the first
moments because we've seen

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flashbacks in the Riley episode.
We knew that what she was going

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through isn't futile, because
receive her in the present.

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This one.
It's it's so much loss of

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control.
It's so much, like what?

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Like Joel is down there.
Your protector.

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You're by yourself with men
surrounding you.

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It's terrifying.
And James is an interesting

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character.
In this that he had no problem,

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wanting to kill her.
And I don't know if it's because

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he actually believed that it's
another mouth to feed, or he

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just wanted Vengeance for
killing Alec.

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I also think there's something
to be said about James knowing

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more about David than maybe some
of the others.

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Do I think that in that decision
in that moment?

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I think it's Vengeance mouths to
feed and I also think it's sort

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of a thought of saving this girl
from him.

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Yeah, I got that.
I got that a little A bit too.

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Like he almost didn't like it
would be better if he just put

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her out of her misery and stead
of subjecting her to David

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Wright which is like guys if you
don't like there's more of you

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than him come on.
But I'm but that's the thing

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though.
I mean like that is the that is

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the thing about cults.
How does one person gain control

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over so many times hundreds of
people?

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Yeah it's amazing and like
you're saying it's like but it's

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one person.
How does one person I don't

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know.
It's just Humanity.

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Yeah, in a time of need, we for
some reason, need that one

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person to look to even if
they're extremely flawed when

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were in need like today, there's
no, don't do it.

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The cage scene with David is
probably one of my I think that

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the rest of this episode.
So they're going to the

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climactic ending and everything.
I think it's one of my favorite

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parts of this season so far.
Because one, they didn't hold

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back.
They really went full force into

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just this violent raw
conversation, and explosive

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climax, but also it was shot
really well.

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And this like, okay saying it
again.

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Bella Ramsey, if she does not
get an award of some sort like

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any award like HBO should just
make one up for her.

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It's just phenomenal, it's so
good.

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The way that these characters
play off of each And you can see

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this moment with her where she
is.

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Very scared.
She's backing away from the gate

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or the fence and David's trying
to get, get to her, trying to

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peel back the layers a little
bit but then I think she sees

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that she might be able to play
it a little bit and she starts

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getting closer to him and that's
when things get a little more

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icky than I thought they could
have been.

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It's not fun.
Yeah, and I think this again,

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that's this scene.
Illustrates the thing I was

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talking about.
Before our sort of the push and

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pull between them.
One of the things I really loved

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was the blocking of this seemed
like you were saying.

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And for that the first few
moments it really was like, they

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were like ends of a magnet where
the closer he would try to get

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00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,300
there.
She would push away from him.

456
00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:23,600
And she kept tangling herself so
that she was nowhere near him.

457
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,700
Because, in a way she really was
a caged animal, and she was

458
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,300
ready to lash out, but she knew
that she had to plan her strike.

459
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:35,600
Well, yeah.
And so when she saw him, Again

460
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,300
trying to groom her trying to
bring her in, trying to convince

461
00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:40,900
her to be a part of the, their,
their group.

462
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,600
She knew that she could lean
into that and use it against

463
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,700
him.
Yeah, the, the moment of, you

464
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:49,400
know, you think that he's just
trying to recruit her right and

465
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,300
just join the cult, your
violent, just like me.

466
00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:55,300
He says a violent heart, which I
think no Craig Mazin and Inside

467
00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:58,400
the episode of your watch, it, I
like what he said about that

468
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,900
because of violent heart is a
line that they, they added to

469
00:25:01,900 --> 00:25:04,900
this and it almost describes
Ellie and how you feel about her

470
00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:08,200
and he said you loved her but
you're also terrified of her.

471
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,100
Hmm.
And that really sums up Ellie as

472
00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:11,200
a whole.
Yeah.

473
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:15,000
And he's saying that he relates
to that and you can see that.

474
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:16,400
Yeah.
Because he does have the

475
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:18,900
Charisma.
He does have that warmth ohm us

476
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:24,000
and it seems like at first he
does care for the people but

477
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,800
then there's those nasty dark
parts that he wants to show and

478
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,400
private and people are at their
most vulnerable.

479
00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:35,500
I feel like Ellie and this
episode is is in the center of

480
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:39,300
sort of this Venn diagram.
And on one side is David and on

481
00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:42,800
the other side is Joel and David
is sort of well Joel is like

482
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,000
chaotic good and David is
chaotic evil.

483
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:49,600
And in this episode, it's kind
of like she's going back and

484
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,300
forth between what kind of chaos
she's going to be in the world.

485
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,100
Yeah because as we know Joel now
yes we know his past was he did

486
00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:03,000
some bad things but he exists in
this plane of chaos but for for

487
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,300
good.
Now now, whereas David is chaos

488
00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:11,200
but bad and so we CLE sort of
like swerving in between these

489
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,100
two things because it almost
seems like she has both facets.

490
00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:17,800
Yeah, of those two people but
it's like which way she going to

491
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,200
end up leaning and that's sort
of the question.

492
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:23,400
Yeah.
And it will be interesting to

493
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:29,700
see how they continue her art,
because she does she's violent.

494
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:34,900
And she, I think that she sees
the The toll that it took on

495
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:38,600
Joel and she feels that by the
end of this episode but how she

496
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,300
deals with that and how Joel
cares for her after that is

497
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:46,000
really going to be the deciding
factor between if she's going to

498
00:26:46,008 --> 00:26:50,100
go more David side, obviously
not totally David side but just

499
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:54,500
more violent and violent or more
healing and dealing with it and

500
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,300
a little bit more of an
appropriate way.

501
00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:59,300
Sure with Joel.
It's like, it's like violence

502
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,500
for good to create good in a
way.

503
00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:07,200
Violence to get rid of bad
people or violence to just be

504
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,800
evil violence well in their
control, the survivability

505
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,800
factor of this world that
they're in.

506
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,100
Now the violence is a thing that
is always going to have solutely

507
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,500
and you're going to need to do
it.

508
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:20,300
Unfortunately because there are
the David's there, there's the

509
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:23,900
Kathleen's.
Doesn't mean that you seek that

510
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:26,800
out.
And that's really where David

511
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,300
falters in that.
I mean, the moral compass is

512
00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:32,300
completely shattered, and I
think that in, those contests is

513
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:34,600
just spinning.
Yeah, it's not a compass

514
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,000
anymore.
It's just a nice decorative

515
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,400
thing.
That doesn't give a shit, it's

516
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,700
exploded.
Yeah, they're pretty.

517
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:44,100
I mean, they're kind of, like
morality is not necessarily a

518
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:47,400
thing as we know it, you know,
in real life where there's like,

519
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,700
sort of, you know, I think a lot
of times there's black, there's

520
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:52,600
white, there's gray, but it just
feels like There's nothing in

521
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,000
this Society.
Yes right it's not morality is

522
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,000
something that you don't really
have time to think about in a

523
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,300
lot of situations because it's
either you actor they act it's

524
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:07,400
almost in the instances like
Joel and the episode where he

525
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,700
decided to carrot keep going for
Ellie that's almost the

526
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:14,900
instances where morality is
showing itself and where you

527
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:17,500
feel that tug like, okay, this
is the right thing to do.

528
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:19,700
I should be doing this, I
shouldn't subject.

529
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:23,800
My brother that is going to be
Having a baby to go on this

530
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,400
journey, right?
Yeah, totally.

531
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,500
Yeah, so, I mean, The cage seen
the moment that he puts his

532
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:34,000
hands on the rail.
Yeah.

533
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:36,900
And she kind of goes in there
but then he kind of Cups him a

534
00:28:36,908 --> 00:28:40,600
little bit.
I just like that those things I

535
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,300
don't like in any horror that I
read I don't like the it's like

536
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:49,000
a child wife type situation.
Like you really got that feeling

537
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,900
from him and it's just so
uncomfortable, obviously it

538
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:56,400
should be but like the links
that this dude is trying to go

539
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,200
He just met her.
What?

540
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,600
Like I mean I don't know her.
Yeah it's this.

541
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,700
That's the thing.
I think.

542
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:07,800
That's so sort of gross about it
is that he just immediately see.

543
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,300
He's like a predator and she is
pray.

544
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,900
Yeah.
And and he's just immediately

545
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:15,800
ready to to attack.
Yeah.

546
00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:18,100
And it's disgusting.
Yeah.

547
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:22,200
It's disgusting and layered on
top of the cannibalism and and,

548
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:26,700
and Ellie again is 14 and we're
seeing her half.

549
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:30,500
Have like, put all these puzzle
pieces together and look at the

550
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:34,500
picture and then figure out how
to get out of the picture.

551
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,300
I think the moment that she
realized that it's not going to

552
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:42,500
go well like she has to get out
and get back to Joel is when she

553
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:46,500
asked about her friend in this
scene and you know he's like if

554
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:49,400
you do this do this you know,
whatever you can come and we

555
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,200
will be fine.
And she was like and my friend

556
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,900
and he was like well we'll see
like he hesitated that and

557
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:56,700
that's when I think she was
like, okay, it's not going.

558
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,800
Go.
Well, like I can't, if Joel

559
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,800
doesn't make it out of this
alive, if I can't protect him, I

560
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,900
can't be here and I need to get
out, right?

561
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,900
And she tries, she tries so
hard.

562
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:08,800
She almost get those keys.
She she's like breaks his

563
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,200
finger.
She tries to get those keys.

564
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,400
He slammed her head into thin,
the bars multiple times.

565
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,000
And one of the coolest things
that she has said this entire

566
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,700
season so far, and she says her
name, and then she was, like,

567
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:28,800
tell them the little girl Ellie.
The one that broke your finger

568
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,800
so good.
Oh my gosh.

569
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,300
So, good talk about aligned
delivered.

570
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:39,400
Yeah, and like from this point,
I mean her her acting throughout

571
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,400
her performance throughout the
entire episode is so good.

572
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:48,300
But from from the cage on out,
it's just watching a

573
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,400
transformation.
So Mellie suspenseful so 10, so

574
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,600
full of Rage.
So full of Rage.

575
00:30:55,700 --> 00:31:00,500
I mean it's just Just so good.
These are the, these are the

576
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:04,200
scenes that they had to nail for
this show to be successful

577
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,100
because they could have easily
just did it.

578
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,600
Mmm and didn't really sit with
it or didn't really go to that

579
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,600
extreme because we haven't
really gotten infected.

580
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,200
I mean we got infected in the
last one but it was a flashback

581
00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:17,500
and they said that they were
going.

582
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:19,900
It's going to be sparse, the
violence is going to be sparse,

583
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:22,500
and when it does happen, it's
going to mean something.

584
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,600
And they delivered in this
episode, this episode was very

585
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,500
Ellen, tweet, I mean, just
talking about the violence.

586
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:34,300
So our friend, Joel, he does
wake up in the basement and he

587
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:37,300
takes two of these guys hostage
and does.

588
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:41,000
Some does some things that had
me closing my eyes, but going

589
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,400
like, no, no, no, no, no.
Yeah, this scene is is very

590
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:50,200
Infamous with the having him
Mark where they are and where

591
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:53,900
Elly is on the map with the
knife that he just pulled out of

592
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,100
the guys knee.
He's pissed.

593
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,200
He's so, So pissed.
And this is a glimpse of the

594
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,700
Joel that was before Ellie.
Hmm.

595
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,100
Like this is Rage.
Joel and there's there's

596
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:09,400
something to be said about
Joel's anger that it's not only

597
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,200
at the outside, you know,
forces.

598
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,600
But it's also I think a lot of
internal anger, you know.

599
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,300
I think it's that thing of.
How did I let her get away?

600
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:21,300
How did I get hurt?
Hospital has happened.

601
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,100
Yeah, yeah.
And so that that's a big driving

602
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:28,500
force in all of this is his own.
GE towards him getting hurt or

603
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:31,700
making a bad decision and he's
not and he's willing to do

604
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:33,400
whatever it takes to to save
her.

605
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:38,600
Yeah, I love the again, the role
reversal of this episode, you

606
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,700
expect him to save her, you
expect.

607
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:43,100
Because that's what's been
happening this entire time,

608
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,300
leading up to when Joel finally
get reunited with Ellie him,

609
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,200
seeing the trail of blood,
seeing the back rack, seeing the

610
00:32:51,208 --> 00:32:54,600
bodies I mean, just like
thinking about what he must be

611
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,400
thinking and that moment and He
still even though he doesn't

612
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,700
know if she's dead or not or
where she is or what happened to

613
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:04,000
her, he still grabs her backpack
and he's like, I'm gonna find

614
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,500
her like she's going to be okay.
I'm gonna find her.

615
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:09,500
It's just yeah.
Like I'm so sorry guys.

616
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,800
I'm so sorry for these two
characters I dislike you know I

617
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,500
did when she fell off the horse,
her backpack goes flying and I

618
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:20,200
was like glue off those like
know her pun book.

619
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,900
She needs her pun book and then
she got it back.

620
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:24,600
Don't do got her backpack for
her.

621
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,800
Yeah.
So Okay, the fight between David

622
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:34,900
and la so terrifying.
It was probably one of the

623
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:39,400
scenes that felt the most like
the game because you see, David

624
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:43,800
trying to lure her at taunting
saying, things, taunting her.

625
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,200
And she's trying to hide.
She's hiding behind things.

626
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,200
She's running to the other side.
Ouch crouch, crouch.

627
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,200
Exactly.
It's like, oh my God, what is

628
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,700
going to happen?
Lights the place on fire.

629
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,300
Amazing backdrop.
I mean, yeah, why not?

630
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,800
Good luck with your shell?
For now, you stupid son of a

631
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:05,400
bitch but the moment where he
does get the upper hand a little

632
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,000
bit and it seems like he's about
to assault her in a different

633
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,500
way, which is like going to yet.
Like dude I mean just one the

634
00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:18,699
place is burning down like
that's how awful.

635
00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:22,300
This guy is a piece of shit.
I mean, can't even have that

636
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:25,699
awareness of like your guys are
gonna die.

637
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,500
Well, he's so Hell-bent on,
just, you know, look, yeah.

638
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,100
And Harvey.
She gets the upper hand with

639
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:36,699
that, meat cleaver, the same one
that killed, that killed saddled

640
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:39,100
James.
But oh, man.

641
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:44,600
And she goes in, she all the
rage, everything just pours out

642
00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:47,500
on to David's face with the meat
cleaver.

643
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:51,600
I had this moment when she was
laying into him like that, where

644
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,900
I first I was like, yes, get
him, get him, but then as it

645
00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:56,600
kept going you're like wait a
minute.

646
00:34:56,699 --> 00:34:58,600
Minute.
This means something more this

647
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,400
because I feel like in a lot of
movies or television shows.

648
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,400
When a scene like this happens,
the person leaves in like, yeah,

649
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,700
I did it.
It's been awesome but you could

650
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:10,400
see in this moment that
something else is happening.

651
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:14,400
Yeah, that there is she has
crossed a line that she's never

652
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,500
going to be able to back back
away from.

653
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,800
I mean, look at, you know, first
time she really killed, somebody

654
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:24,200
was to save Joel and it was a
moment that she had to act right

655
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,800
then and there and she brushed
It Off.

656
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,200
In this one, the amount of
things that she's having to do

657
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,100
she's faced with so much
violence and actually being the

658
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:38,100
one to carry it out and so much
different than somebody

659
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:40,300
protecting you and doing it for
you.

660
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,800
And she's seeing that firsthand
and for her to just not be able

661
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,300
to stop when clearly he's done.
I think by like whack too, he's

662
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:54,600
probably done, but then after
17, there's something changing

663
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,100
this characters changing their
Into something that could go one

664
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:00,700
way or the other.
Mhm.

665
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,200
And when she gets out and she
gets out of that Lodge.

666
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,600
And she just like, Nothing, like
she's obviously terrified, and

667
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,900
she like, but she's like, she's
just going, she just needs to

668
00:36:11,908 --> 00:36:13,800
go.
Yeah, she just starts walking.

669
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,700
She's out like autopilot
autopilot?

670
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:20,900
Yeah, he's just out of there,
Joel finding her and she

671
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:23,500
freaking out because she doesn't
know, just she's just who has me

672
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:25,000
now.
Yeah, rage mode.

673
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:29,700
Ah, she goes in for that hug and
he cried, I cried cried.

674
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:33,000
And it's hard to talk about this
because it's so good.

675
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:36,800
They did it in such a way where
you're like, oh my God, like

676
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:40,400
this wasn't just the person
overcoming, the enemy.

677
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,300
This is more.
This is this is the true loss of

678
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:45,300
Innocence, this is it.
It's over.

679
00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:49,700
She has fully crossed over into
being an adult at 14 years old.

680
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:52,200
There is nothing that can take
her back from this.

681
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,600
Yeah, her saying he tried and
then him stopping her because he

682
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,400
knows he knows that anything
that was in there.

683
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,400
You didn't deserve any of it.
Yeah.

684
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,800
And you don't need to tell me
right now and he just holds her

685
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,500
and says baby girl, which he
hasn't said since Sarah and I

686
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:14,500
love the shot, I sad shot, but I
love when it shows her back.

687
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,400
He's holding her.
And the watch is really the

688
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:23,500
center of that shot, and it's
just man and he's, he's fully

689
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:27,800
developing into this, she's not
cargo anymore, she is more than

690
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,700
that and she's developing into
rage.

691
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,800
Yeah, violence and experiencing
that.

692
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,800
And but it's nice to see her
want Joel.

693
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:42,000
Well, I mean, at the, at the end
of it all, that's what she went

694
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,900
through.
All this for me to save him, You

695
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:48,100
know, and you know, we've been
talking a lot about morality in

696
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:52,400
this episode but I think even
though she has all this rage her

697
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,900
her moral compass points, her to
knowing that this is a good

698
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:57,600
person.
This is a person.

699
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,400
I have to save.
This is a person who means a lot

700
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,800
to me and she can identify with
right?

701
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,500
Yeah.
And so that bond is what is

702
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:07,200
driving her what drove her
through this entire episode and

703
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,100
that bond is also.
What drove Joel through the

704
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:15,200
second half of this episode they
are forever bonded now It's gone

705
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,700
past like you said cargo.
It's a father and a daughter.

706
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

707
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,400
Which is beautiful to see.
It's unfortunate that we have to

708
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,800
see it in these circumstances.
I just wish they'd stay in

709
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,600
Jackson.
You know, just stay with them,

710
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:34,100
but there is the question.
I don't think we talk about it

711
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:37,300
that much, and I don't think
it's really brought up that much

712
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:39,800
in the show because so much
stuff happens.

713
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,500
Is she has to save everybody.
Yeah, like she still has that.

714
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,200
That responsibility, the hope
that this could possibly be the

715
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,300
thing to save the world.
But there's also that question

716
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:57,100
of ok, a cure can be made.
Then what?

717
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,000
Right.
How do you rebuild a world that

718
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,300
knew what it was before and has
grown to the after I do you do

719
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,100
that?
Like is there a I'm real quick.

720
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:11,800
I just want to know, is there a
story that anybody knows of like

721
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:17,200
a book or whatever of a The
rebuilding after that because I

722
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,300
don't I can't think of one.
Well actually.

723
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:24,300
Now I haven't read the book
World War Z but the movie World

724
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:27,700
War Z took a lot of Liberties.
I believe of what actually World

725
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:30,400
War Z was about and the Book
World War Z.

726
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,600
I'm pretty sure is actually
about rebuilding the world after

727
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,300
the spread zombies.
Interesting.

728
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:39,300
I did hear that.
It was very different from the

729
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:41,500
book and they focused on like
one story.

730
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:43,300
Yeah.
When there was more than that

731
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:45,700
but that's interesting I might
have To actually read that at

732
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:46,400
some point.
Yeah.

733
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,000
Because it's very, I mean, I
really like the movie, but I

734
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,000
remember I remember hearing that
it was the, it really was not

735
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,500
the storyline of the book.
Purse a good movie though.

736
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,900
I love that movie, so good.
But I do think that like I yeah,

737
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:03,900
I wonder like, Okay.
So let's say we get Ellie's

738
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:07,000
blood, we don't know, spin it
around a bit and then we have

739
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,900
the Cure.
I think there's more than that.

740
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:13,100
But yeah, like it's like, what
are you gonna do for the

741
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:16,100
thousands of people?
Hundreds of thousands of people

742
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:18,400
that are zombies already.
Like, that's not going to fix

743
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,200
that problem.
Well, I think it would make it

744
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,000
easier to be able to exterminate
that bit.

745
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,300
You could yeah yourself.
Before you wouldn't.

746
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:28,800
Yeah, you wouldn't change.
So because that's the thing

747
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,800
about and that's what separates
it from some other zombie

748
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,400
things.
You know, Walking Dead.

749
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:36,900
Everybody's infected already
because when you die, you turn

750
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:39,800
into a zombie, right?
This one, you can die but as

751
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,600
long as you didn't get infected
or bitten, your fine.

752
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,700
Yeah.
I mean, so I don't know.

753
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:49,900
I, it's interesting.
It's an interesting thought to

754
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:53,200
think about because this world
and we see the Kathleen's, we

755
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,800
see the David's, we see how the
Koozies work we see Federer, and

756
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,000
it's like, can it rebuild?
I mean, it's going to be so

757
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,900
fracture, right?
Absolutely wouldn't be States

758
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:07,800
how they were, you know, hey
guys, we found the thing.

759
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:10,800
Oops, we killed you like, like
it would just be Marlon and

760
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,000
florins just being the best
people and fine.

761
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:16,100
I'm telling you, we need that
spin-off.

762
00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:18,900
I think they need to make a
bonus episode of this season of

763
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:21,600
just the two of them.
So we could all just breathe for

764
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,100
a little bit.
Yeah.

765
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:28,400
Just an episode of their life
being delightful and that cabin

766
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:31,300
we need to decompress.
Yeah, we really do.

767
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:37,900
I mean, this episode being as
awful as it was for television

768
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:40,000
and four-story sake, really
good.

769
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:44,200
It's just, it's what makes this
property and what made this.

770
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:47,900
Video game so good because of
the way.

771
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:50,700
It's written.
Mmm, and it's not just, oh,

772
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:54,800
there's a cannibal This is not
just that it's so multi-layered

773
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,100
than that that I just so you
know I think there's also

774
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:02,700
another layer of this that is
creepy is that they spend like

775
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:05,500
you know the big storyline
throughout this is that they

776
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:09,700
spend time hoping not to get
bitten by other humans and then

777
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:12,600
this group of people is
willingly eating other humans.

778
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:16,400
Yeah I mean she almost saved
herself when they were about to

779
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,100
chop her up and she's like I'm
infected mmm.

780
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:21,300
Which you know don't tell people
that you were bitten and

781
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:23,400
infected because we have the
safe Flee, get you to the

782
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,300
Firefly this what that was her
last resort that you have only

783
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:28,800
thing she had to use at that
point and I'm curious.

784
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,800
I mean, I would assume that if
somebody is in fact, it and

785
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,000
somebody ate infected meat, I
would assume that they would get

786
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:40,600
infected but also so she's I
mean is she technically infected

787
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,300
She Was Bitten.
Yeah.

788
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:44,900
Doesn't have the effects of the
infection but if she bites

789
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:51,300
someone, do they get infected?
Oh, um, well you know I don't

790
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:55,200
know, maybe not Maybe it will,
it's probably one of the so you

791
00:42:55,207 --> 00:42:56,700
guys, I'm not a scientist, I
don't know.

792
00:42:56,700 --> 00:43:00,400
I'm not like, I don't know, I'm
not a disease ologist and stuff

793
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,600
like that, but like these are
you would think that everybody

794
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,200
would be after the pandemic.
But no, no, I mean it's probably

795
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,500
one of those things where it's
in her, but it's not active,

796
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:11,600
it's like HPV.
Yeah.

797
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,500
But so I mean, because the
readers that show, if you're

798
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:20,000
infected or not shows that she
is infected, so, whatever it's

799
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,500
reading, it could still show
that.

800
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:24,000
She's so very early.
Sure, but she might not be able

801
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,800
to pass it.
Meow, I guess.

802
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,200
No, I guess.
Yeah, Neil druckmann.

803
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,100
Tell us.
Hello.

804
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:36,600
We're asking a very important
question.

805
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,100
How about this?
Ebenbolter, if you're listening

806
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:43,800
to this text Neil druckmann and
then tell him to go onto

807
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,700
Twitter.
Yeah.

808
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:46,600
And at a bite of pot.
Yes.

809
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:49,300
An answer.
Although he bites somebody.

810
00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:52,200
Do they become infected
important?

811
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,900
This is an important question.
Yeah.

812
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:55,700
Or if anybody knows, just
comment below.

813
00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:57,700
Yeah.
Comment below.

814
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:06,800
So we have one more episode
left, one more episode and it

815
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,400
looks to be a lot.
I've heard I heard that it's

816
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,100
like 45 minutes really?
Which makes it like the

817
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:15,400
shortest.
I think it seems like two hours.

818
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,800
No like wild crazy to me.
We're supposed to get fireflies

819
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,200
again because that's the end of
the first game.

820
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,200
Apparently, they're adding Anna,
who is Ellie's mom into this?

821
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,800
Played by the voice actor, that
voice Telly.

822
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,300
That's so cool.
So cool.

823
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:36,000
And also, the journey to get to
the Firefly, so it had to be

824
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,600
five minutes.
Yeah, it's gonna be bam, bam,

825
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,800
bam.
Yeah, yeah.

826
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:45,000
And I believe Bella Ramsey said
that the season finale is going

827
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,600
to divide people dramatically.
It's going to be such a

828
00:44:48,607 --> 00:44:50,100
cliffhanger.
I know it.

829
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,500
I got is going to be brutal.
I mean, Imagine we're going to

830
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:56,400
have like we're going to wait
two years for season 2.

831
00:44:56,700 --> 00:45:00,500
I'm going to be like please show
the last season on the Last of

832
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:02,900
Us.
Yeah two years like a remember

833
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,800
or just listen to this podcast
that's true, I'll just set

834
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,500
aside.
Nine hours to listen to us

835
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:09,900
again.
Oh man.

836
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:14,100
Alright well next week the
finale this is it.

837
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,200
This was the penultimate episode
whoo finale next week and yeah,

838
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:24,300
so hopefully the next thing that
we talked about Will Beyond sad,

839
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,900
fingers crossed, please.
We'll see, and Maids, tale

840
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:29,700
coming up next.
Oh my gosh.

841
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:32,600
All three.
Four seasons, and the books.

842
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,800
No.
All right.

843
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,100
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844
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:41,000
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845
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848
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