'The Last of Us' Season 2 Episode 1 Review | HBO

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They ate a bear.
They ate a bear.

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Yeah, that's it.
Hi, everyone.

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Welcome back to A Bite of Today.
We are talking about The Last of

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Us Season 2, Episode 1.
Oh, I'm Derek, and that's Noah,

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but you knew that already.
Oh man, I hope your yearning

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tendrils are ready, because I
did.

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It's finally back.
It feels like it's been quite a

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while.
It sure has.

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And let me tell you something,
I'm reluctantly coming back into

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this world because it likes to
emotionally.

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Wreck us.
That is very true.

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As you will know.
We're doing double duty.

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We're doing Doctor Who and The
Last of Us Couldn't be more

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opposite.
But yet both very emotionally

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taxing.
Yeah, and both.

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Very intense in their own right.
So we we just need.

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It's fine.
Yeah.

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What was the other one?
Yearning tendrils?

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Yeah, and now double duty.
Yeah.

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double duty the more that I do
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OK, so spoilers ahead, but
there's going to be two

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spoilers.
OK, I have played the game.

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Derek has not played the game.
I will not spoil game stuff

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unless it shows it in the show,
but I will double spoil

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something if I have to say
something about the game.

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So you'll be warned.
So don't worry if you haven't

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played the game.
I will not spoil things so spore

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spoiler ahead.
They're everywhere.

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All right, let us officially
take a bite of The Last of Us

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Season 2 Episode 1, Future Days,
written and directed by Craig

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Mazin.
Five years after we've last seen

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them, Joel and Ellie have grown
in opposite directions.

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They've solidified themselves in
their sanctuary, but their

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relationship is unstable at
best.

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New allies and foes appear on
the horizon, while a Cordyceps

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evolution adds to the mounting
tension.

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All right, So what?
So.

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So what did you think of this
first episode of the season?

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You know, I really liked it,
Part 2 of this video game

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franchise.
I wasn't sure how they were

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going to do it.
And I know that Craig Mason and

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Neil Druckman and everybody that
was working on this, they have

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said throughout interviews and
the official podcast and

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everything, listen to ours
instead.

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No, I'm just kidding.
They have said that it was a

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challenge to do that.
And I think when you adapt a

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video game, you're playing on
those as those characters,

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there's more empathy that's
involved when you're doing it in

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a show, something this big and
something that goes back and

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forth in the game.
I was very curious how they were

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going to do that.
I think so far from 1 episode, I

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think they did a good job.
The acting though is still

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there.
Casting, love all of it.

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It looks amazing, score
fantastic.

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All of those things from the
first season carried over so far

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in this first episode.
I think it's set up what this

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season 2 is going to be about.
The perspectives of who is who,

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who's right, who's wrong, is
there a right and is there a

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wrong?
It's still too early to say

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like, Oh my God, this is going
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I think they're off to a good
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Yeah, I agree.
I think this, the way that I

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thought about it was that it
feels like a powder keg.

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I feel like they fully have this
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We've cranked up the tension in
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cordycepsical, and I just think
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going to get out of control.
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it, you know, and like I said, I
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little trepidatious just because
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But they do a phenomenal job and
the cast itself is still ringing

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really true and doing and
bringing everything to it.

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And I think that they love these
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Yeah, I How do you feel about
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the humor and the seriousness of
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Because this episode, even
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little over an hour, there was
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there was dark and there was
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Do you think they balance that
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I think balance is a strong
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I do think, though, that you
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these characters, right?
Because if it's all killing all

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the time, then we're not going
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So we have to give that base
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show their connections and to
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And I guess how growing up in
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know, 'cause it seemed like very
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were Ellie and Dina are very
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everything, but they're also
going to be killing and

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infected.
So it's like, I guess you do

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what you have to do.
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squeamish or something.
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I mean, they've, like you said,
they've been growing up to this.

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This is their normal.
So I think, you know, going out

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and doing these kind of
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that, patrols, patrols, it just
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You know, it's kind of like, I
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teenager going out and drinking
with their friends like this is

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like, let's go kill some undead.
Infected.

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You're acting like this is your
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Excuse me, it's been a long
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Give me some grace.
They're not zombies, they're

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infected.
Well, I didn't say that they

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were zombies, so at least
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But you know, I always think
it's interesting when between

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one season and another, there's
a big time jump.

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So how did that feel to you?
I mean, that's pretty true to

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the game, no?
Yeah, the game, I would say the

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second part is like almost twice
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So there's more stories.
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covering ish half of this second
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They've already said that
there's a Season 3 coming.

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I would say the beginning of
this is different from the game

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in that we almost get kind of a
step back from when the game

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picks up.
We're almost getting the calm

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before the storm, which I think
is needed in a television format

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because like I said in the
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between two different characters
a lot and so you get that back

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story.
But I think here they needed to

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really set it up in a certain
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Opening with the ending scene
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really important because that's
the catalyst for the entire

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second part of the game.
And so for them to put you back

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into that and reminding you that
like, yeah, Joel made this

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decision, Ellie knows he's full
of shit, or at least suspects, I

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think at that point.
And then where they go from

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there, I think it's it's
important to show that.

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Why do you like, you know, give
me some insight.

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Maybe in the games you learn
this.

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Why does Joel hide the truth
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Well, I think I, I'm without
spoiling things, just taking it

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into season 1, right?
You have this man that is just

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riddled with grief.
He's lost everything.

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He lost his daughter at the
beginning of it, right?

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And he found a new daughter in
Ellie.

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So of course this man that went
from calling her cargo to his

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daughter is going to do
everything he can.

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Is it right?
I don't know, to save her.

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And when he found out, he didn't
even get a chance to really say

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goodbye.
You know, they, they told him

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when he was in the hospital,
like they're going to have to

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like kill her.
Like it's going to, it's from

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the brain, right?
So his immediate reaction was, I

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have to save her.
And doesn't matter what at what

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cost, Unfortunately there's
consequences to that.

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Do you think that he's afraid
that Ellie would have said you

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should have let me die?
Yeah, because I think she would

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have she on, on Ellie's part.
She lost Riley, right?

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So she's lost something and she
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something.
She wants her immunity to mean

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something.
And he robbed her of that

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autonomy.
And so it's very complicated,

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right?
On one hand, the Fireflies

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aren't, they've been trying to
find a cure.

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There's other people that like
might be immune that they've

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tried this on.
There hasn't been a cure yet.

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So what happened to those
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They're just dead.
So I think there is that there's

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that part of not going to
succeed in the cure that Joel

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was like, if there's a chance
that it was going to mean

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nothing, I'd rather have her
right.

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And again, is it is it right?
Is it wrong?

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I don't know what I would do.
I think I would be more inclined

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to maybe do a Joel Did, but not,
I don't know, leave no

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witnesses.
Right.

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That's very true.
I mean, that's what's so

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interesting about I think this
whole series, you know, is that

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there are things that happened
that I think when you're looking

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at them from an outside
perspective, you're going, well,

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that's wrong, right?
Murder is wrong, but for our

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main character, he's saving our
other main character, so that

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feels right.
So I think in this whole world,

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the big question of, like you
said before, right versus wrong,

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well, it's kind of a Gray area.
Yeah.

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And I think in a apocalyptic
society, there's things that

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have to change that are maybe if
the society was stable and there

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was an apocalypse, they wouldn't
have to do right.

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So I don't know, I think it's,
he made a decision he feels is

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right, but the thing that also
makes it wrong is that he's

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lying about it.
He's lying to himself, he's

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lying to Ellie, he's lying to
everybody about it.

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So it's one of those things
where it's like, if you know

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that it was right, why are you
lying?

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And so it's a lot of guilt and a
lot of trauma there.

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So I like that they reminded us
of that even just in that little

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tiny scene.
And then flash forward five

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years, we've just seen that
they're they've completely

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drifted apart.
She lives in the garage.

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He lives in this house by
himself and seeing one Pedro

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Pascal back as troll but aged
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It was rough, but.
It still looks so handsome.

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So handsome.
Yeah, well.

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I just have to say, the
cleanliness of these folks in

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the sanctuary is it's beyond
anything I've ever seen in any

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dystopian property.
So kudos to the team in Wyoming.

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Jackson, Wyoming.
They must have some real good

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soap stores go in there.
Well, Dina didn't smell great,

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so they at least have running
water.

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That's true, that's true.
But they still have makeup and

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stuff, so that's fancy.
It's it's wild.

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I saw a photo of him from the
first episode to like the middle

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of the first season to this one
and I'm like, holy, like he

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doesn't really look that old.
They definitely like aged him

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with makeup, but they did such a
good job on aging this man.

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He's been through some stuff.
Yeah.

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Well, you know, that's a
question that I have.

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Is that within these five years?
I'm, I'm curious, just how

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quickly did their relationship
deteriorate?

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Right.
There's obviously the thing of

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going from 14 to 19 years old.
I mean, going through puberty,

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being a teenager, there's some
rebelliousness there.

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I think that comes with the
territory, even when you know

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you're not possibly the secret
to curing this infection, but.

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But also in the apocalypse.
But in the apocalypse, but then

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compounded with this lie, you
know, or this, this failure of

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trust that's happened.
Between them, I think it's going

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to be interesting because I'm so
sorry to say in the game, but in

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the game it does flashbacks a
lot in that five years, which I

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think was smart for them to
continue to do.

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Because now we're sitting here
wondering what happened in those

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five years.
Like, does Ellie know?

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We don't know.
If she knows, we can only infer

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that, oh, they've definitely
drifted apart.

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Maybe they're not talking about
it, but like stuff has happened

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in that five years that we will
see.

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Just from those trailers that
we've seen, they're definitely

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younger.
So it's going to be interesting

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to see that journey to where
they are now and then where the

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season's going to take them.
What I one change that I thought

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was interesting from the game to
this was the sequence of seeing

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Abby and her crew at the
gravesite or at the graves in

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Seattle.
So I thought that was an

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interesting change of showing
kind of Abby upfront with what

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she's going to do this season or
attempt to do right.

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She's like, when we find this
Joe or Joel person, I want to

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kill them slowly.
Like she's setting up for

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revenge immediately with a group
of friends.

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And I think that was interesting
because in the game, these

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people kind of just show up and
you don't really know anything.

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And as the game unfolds, you you
find out information and there's

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flashbacks and all of that.
So doing it up front, I feel

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like it's almost weird.
Like it it, it lessens the

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surprise or mystery or you as a
viewer figuring this stuff out

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and experiencing it as Ellie or
Joel or people in Jackson would.

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But maybe they just wanted to
make sure everybody was on the

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same playing field that didn't
play the game, I guess.

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Yeah, and thinking about it
myself, I think I mean I have

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some knowledge of the the games
you.

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Saw me play the opening.
Yes.

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And so I think that even
watching this, I was actually, I

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thought it was almost a little
too abrupt that there's just

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this grieving person that we've
never met before in this version

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of the world, the television
version of the world.

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And she's kind of just laying it
out all on the table.

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So I agree with you that I
almost wish that they kept us in

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the dark a little longer and let
that tension build of going,

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well, who is this person?
Why are they there?

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What are they looking for?
I think that might have maybe

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served it, especially, you know,
at the end of the episode when

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they do pop up.
Maybe they'll, maybe we'll know

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why at the end of the season,
why they did that.

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Who knows?
It could.

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Our opinion on that could change
definitely, because I think it

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almost would have been
beneficial to at the end of this

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episode, we see Abby and her
crew kind of show up on like a

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Cliff overlooking Jackson.
So it's like, OK, they found

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somebody, Joe, and that would
have been a cool like

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cliffhanger, like, oh, who is
this person who is there?

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But I will say in this scene, so
Caitlin Deaver, fantastic.

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I mean, I, I don't think that I
haven't questioned her ability

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to play Abby.
Granted, she doesn't really look

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like the character.
I don't care.

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It's more about can they act?
Are they good?

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Are they embodying this
character?

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And I think so far in just this
like what, 2-3 minutes?

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I was like, she can, she can
show remorse, she can show hate,

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She can so drive just in those
few seconds.

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So I'm very excited to see.
Yeah, I definitely think they

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made, I mean, with all these new
characters, the casting was

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fantastic.
And I think Caitlin Deaver

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really does do a good job for
the few minutes that she is in

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the episode 4.
We do see that full range of

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emotion and we see that rage
that's built in her.

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And it's hard to to watch her
kind of talk about this with

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such emotional force because
she's almost our opponent in

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this, right?
She's kind of seen as a.

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Villain from the beginning,
right?

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Because we hear her say, I want
to kill this person.

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Absolutely.
But then when you think about it

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of, you know, he killed her dad,
well, of course she'd need

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revenge, right?
So how are we supposed to, you

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know, see this new character
who's justified in their own

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right, But yet, you know, we
don't want her to find Jo Joel.

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I also did like, though they
added, they added like

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description and I was like, they
say he's handsome and I'm like

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they say I just want to, I just
want to know the Firefly that

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because this group was trying to
save the Fireflies, that Joe

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Joel, damn it, Joel was just
like massacring.

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And I just want to know the one
that was like, he's handsome.

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Yeah.
You're going to love his face.

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It's so handsome.
I like the.

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Curls.
Yeah, Joel is the most handsome

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man in the apocalypse.
According to legend.

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The the, the, you know, surgeon
murderer.

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The handsome surgeon murderer.
OK, so going on, I would say so

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Ellie and Joel, we'd get, we
touched that in a little bit.

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We see him, you know, with his
nephew, we see him interact with

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Tommy.
We kind of see that and dialing

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up the constructometer, which I
think was amazing and brilliant.

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But one of the, I think the most
powerful scene in this episode

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was with GAIL Catherine O'Hara,
this therapist that takes weed

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for payment and doesn't care to
drink and tell him how it is in

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the session.
What did you make of this scene?

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I love this scene.
I mean, I think that when we

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look at this scene, right, it
shows there's definite growth in

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Joel emotionally, right?
He was so closed off in our

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first season.
And here, you know, he's going

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out of his way to go to therapy
sessions because he really badly

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wants to figure out what's going
on with Ellie and patch up that

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relationship because he cares
about her so much.

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But lie about it.
Sure, he can't seem to bring

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himself to tell the truth, even
to his therapist, who you're

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supposed to be able to be as
open as possible with.

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But with GAIL, you know she can
see through his bullshit.

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You know she was, I'm guessing,
a psychologist before.

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Imagine if.
She wasn't, she was like, how

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can I get weed?
You know, it would be really

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valuable, an apocalypse, a
therapist I.

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Have a notebook.
I'm ready.

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Yeah, totally.
She would.

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She would.
But I think this scene, like I

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said, really shows us emotional
growth.

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And I think it's a really
powerful scene, especially at

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the end of the scene when we
really just have these close-ups

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on their faces, you know, and
Pedro Pascal can act his fucking

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ass off.
I mean the the man can shut a

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single tear and look gorgeous to
me.

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He made me shut a single Tia.
I did not look so gorgeous, but

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it's fine.
You always look gorgeous and I

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really liked the kind of
flipping of this scene because I

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think we were expecting, you
know, some type of therapy scene

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or, you know, Joel to say
something or just be like, you

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know, this is my 19 year old kid
and she hates me.

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I the way Catherine O'Hara
O'Hara, Oh my God, kind of flips

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this.
And it was like, you know what

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to put it out there is better to
try to heal that way instead of

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keeping it in Joel.
So she does the tactic of not

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only telling him like I'm pissed
at you because you unalived my

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husband.
I know you didn't have a choice,

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but I can't help but be upset
about that.

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OK, now your turn.
That was so fucking bad ass, but

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also terrible because now we
have this.

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OK, Eugene, why did he kill him?
We're going to get like a Bill

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and Frank kind of episode 3 of
like that story.

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That would be crazy.
Yeah, we really crazy.

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I mean, there's art, there's
artistry and there's planning in

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the scene, right?
Especially when he first walks

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in, he sees the two boots,
right?

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There's obviously her boots and
then a man's pair of boots, A.

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Whole year.
And we know that those boots

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have remained empty, right?
What I also like about this

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scene is that I think it's
showing two different ways to

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deal with grief, not even
necessarily between Joel and

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GAIL, but I think between GAIL
and Abby, right?

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So we have one person who has
had someone taken from them by

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Joel and they want to get
revenge on them, right?

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Whereas GAIL is here and is
saying, I'm really fucking mad

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at you.
I'm furious, but I needed to get

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it out.
So it's kind of like two

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different ways of of dealing
with this.

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And so you know.
Again, this is another question

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of like, how do you deal with
something like this?

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Do you get revenge?
Do you forgive?

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But don't forget.
I'm really curious on what the

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what the situation is.
I know that we are going to get

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a back story with Eugene because
the actor has been casted, it's

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in the cast list.
So I really want to know how she

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knows that he didn't have a
choice.

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Like there, there has to be very
specific circumstances, right,

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for that to happen for her to
know.

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And, you know, again, she can't
help the way she feels.

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But I, I, I 100% agreed that I
think we are seeing how these

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people do deal with grief, how
they do deal with dealing with

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the person that enacted that
grief on them, be that on

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accident or on purpose and how
you deal with that.

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Maybe she's better to deal with
it because not only is she

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drunk, but also she gets high
all the time and she knows how

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to deal with her emotions.
She's like, I got it.

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She's she's a mental health
professional, so.

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Just master class of acting in
this scene and I wanted more of

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it.
And I'm like, it's just two

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people in a room talking.
And I think like you're saying,

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just to have two actors
literally sitting across from

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each other and that's all that's
going on.

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And it's a conversation.
And to get those emotions out of

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the viewer, it's.
It was just really well done.

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Yeah.
And these are the scenes that I

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really like as somebody that has
played the game is because this

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is new.
GAIL is a new character.

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And this whole story of Eugene
is new because in the in the

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video game, he's just a guy that
they knew that, you know, grew

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weed and died of natural causes.
That's it.

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He did leave his like wife and
kid, but like, that's not what

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obviously happens in the show.
So this is exciting because I'm

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like, oh, this is new.
This is the cool thing about

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adapting something because even
though the creator's involved,

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they can tell the same story but
change it just a little bit.

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And that's why I liked the
beginning of this episode

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because we didn't really get
that in the game.

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So I like that they're showing
like, OK, this is where they are

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now.
This is where they're going

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apart.
This is where they've gotten

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closer, and here's where we're
going now before everything hits

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the fan.
Yeah, it's it's a cool, it's a

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cool idea to think that they can
take these characters who are

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basically loose sketches from
the game and then actually shade

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them in to give them life.
We have to talk about Dina

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because Isabella Merced stole
stole the episode.

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I everybody's fantastic in this,
but I could not help but be

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completely just charmed by her
every single time.

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She's so funny, adorable, also
scary.

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You, you want to be her friend?
Yeah.

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Like you can't help but lean in
and go.

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I would be on her team, you
know, I wish that she liked me.

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Yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah, and what's interesting

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about Dina's character is that
she's kind of, I mean, not

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necessarily caught between Joel
and Ellie, but she has a

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relationship with both of them.
She is, I would say, but she

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doesn't.
It doesn't seem like it affects

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her that much.
She understands.

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And that could just be who she
is.

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Or maybe that's just what the
apocalypse does.

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The people like, OK, yeah, they
hate each other, but like, we

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where are we going to live?
Like, we're all in the same

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town.
Can't get away, Right?

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So.
But I think that she knows that

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something has happened between
them, but she loves them both.

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So she's willing to kind of play
like, oh, well, I'm going to be

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watching these movies with Joel.
Like, do you want to come?

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No.
OK.

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It's like she's trying.
Yeah, she tries.

449
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,120
Like, are you in therapy, Joel?
Cool.

450
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,680
It seems like she she on some
level feels like they should be

451
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,400
on better terms, right?
And.

452
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,880
Yeah, I think everybody wants
it.

453
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,840
Yeah, And like, you know, she's
obviously very close to Ellie,

454
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,160
and so she's she knows that
like, oh gosh, Ellie, if you

455
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,280
could just get over whatever
this is you're dealing with, it

456
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,480
would be so much better because
you.

457
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,680
Could be back with Joel, and
that kind of sucks too because

458
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,400
like, she doesn't really know
why nobody does.

459
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,400
And so that must be frustrating
to be in her shoes to love both

460
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,840
of them but be like what the
fuck?

461
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,120
Like what?
What happened?

462
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,720
And also not to mention that,
you know, like, Joel is kind of

463
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,600
like a big part of this
establishment, you know?

464
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,040
And so Ellie is also really.
Yeah.

465
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,840
So they're both really well
known.

466
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:22,360
And so it's like, oh, good.
There's, you know, trouble at

467
00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:25,360
the in the leaders houses.
You know, they're all fighting.

468
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,840
You know, I'm there's, there's
gossip in Jackson.

469
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,040
In the show of Nine for sure.
Absolutely, for sure.

470
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:37,040
Yeah, I loved the scene where
they go on patrol, right one the

471
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,320
the patrol leader Cat, her hat
slash beanie slash thing.

472
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,160
I want it.
I've never seen that before.

473
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,120
It's three hats in one.
It's amazing for sure.

474
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,840
I wish Jesse would have went
along with him because I love

475
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,080
the character Jesse and I just
wanted more of him in this, but

476
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,240
whatever.
So the whole scene where they go

477
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,160
to the supermarket and they see
the bear and they get to the

478
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,160
stalker.
I loved the sequence.

479
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,720
I thought they played it really
well.

480
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,440
There was really fun Easter eggs
in the game.

481
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,160
We got the bottle, we got
stalkers.

482
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,440
Now them climbing on vehicles to
then get into it exactly like

483
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,560
the game.
Those are elements of things

484
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:14,920
that it's like, it's not
unnatural.

485
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,000
Like you would think that in a
video game adaptation like that

486
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,960
would be weird.
It's like, Oh no, that kind of

487
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,360
works, but they did it.
This absolutely though felt like

488
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,040
the most video game portion of
this episode.

489
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,880
And it was so cool.
It was really cool.

490
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,000
And it was just like, you know,
you could see it in your head.

491
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,680
You could see it play out where,
you know, they killed that first

492
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,200
infected.
And then she falls through the

493
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,200
floor.
And of course, Dina has to find

494
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,160
another way down, which just
gives Ellie just enough time to

495
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,400
get bitten by the stalker.
You know, like, that's so video

496
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,800
game.
It's so much fun but.

497
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,320
It was, it was a lot of fun.
And I think this introduction of

498
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,840
of the stalker was so scary.
Watching them in the background

499
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,440
was like.
It was really it was a really

500
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,120
smart way to play and set up
that scene because when Ellie

501
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,640
finds the People magazine, which
they do it weekly.

502
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,080
So you know, the week that that
came out with Jennifer Anderson

503
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,400
on the cover.
So your eyes are drawn to that

504
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,200
and you're like thinking about
that and you're like, oh, what

505
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,120
is she going to say?
Is this like the diary that she

506
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:16,280
found in that one room?
And then you just see that

507
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,800
Skitter right behind.
I was like, oh, I think you

508
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,520
said, was that a cat?
They played that so well.

509
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,440
And then not only to show it
once, but three times.

510
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,800
That's fun.
That is so much fun.

511
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,360
And you know, when you, I don't
know, when I think of Ellie, I

512
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,040
think that Ellie has a hold on
this world.

513
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,120
She gets it right.
And so to see Ellie be

514
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:42,200
outsmarted by this type of
infected, that gives you pause

515
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,080
because you realize this is
something they haven't seen

516
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,120
before.
We'll just go back to what Tess

517
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:50,040
said in the first season and she
said she said you might be

518
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,640
immune from getting bit, but
you're not immune from being

519
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,960
torn apart.
And that's something that Ellie

520
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,240
needs to constantly work on.
Because I think there is this

521
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,920
level of I'm a fucking bad ass.
I can do whatever I want.

522
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,760
Yes, maybe you won't get
infected if you get bit, but

523
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,720
that stalker could have easily
just torn open your stomach.

524
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,560
Like, you're not immune from
that, right?

525
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,760
So she's very lucky to get away
with how she got away with it

526
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,400
later.
Seeing her having to cover up

527
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,000
that bite was intense.
And you know, what do you do?

528
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,440
It's like, OK, I'm immune, but
how do I explain that to people?

529
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,080
Like there's no way to explain.
Like, what do I do with this

530
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,600
immunity?
Because we tried, even though it

531
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,560
didn't really work out because
of Joel's choice.

532
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,680
So just seeing her having to
deal with covering up the one on

533
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,560
her arm, covering up the one on
her stomach, there's a lot going

534
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,840
on for Ellie.
Yeah.

535
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,680
And I'm very excited and scared
to see how that plays out

536
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,160
through the rest of the season.
I, I mean, I do think that this

537
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,680
in the season, Ellie is going to
be forced to grow up.

538
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:56,000
And you know, in this episode
personally, I felt like Ellie

539
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,720
was almost unlikable as a
character.

540
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,720
And I'm not saying that Ellie
has to be likable, but I think

541
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,840
it's just showing how she's
pushing so much against Joel in

542
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,000
every way.
It's almost it's like plucky,

543
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,640
like you know what it like, not
necessarily like in a in a

544
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,600
positive way, but she is like
that 19 year old that was like

545
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,040
devil may care.
I do what I want.

546
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,760
I'm going to be annoying.
And I think they're doing it on

547
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,360
purpose because I think the arc
of this season is very much

548
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:26,480
going to be she needs to stop
doing that.

549
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,360
She's going to have to grow up
again.

550
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,120
So I think it's smart.
But I I agree it was a little

551
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,320
annoying, but you could tell
they were doing that on purpose.

552
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:40,680
We have to talk about the New
Year's dance, the New Year's

553
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:47,080
barn Shoire, Beautiful,
beautiful scene set exactly like

554
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,080
the game, which just makes, I
don't know, it's just rewarding

555
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,360
to see something like that, like
be recreated.

556
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,840
What did you make of the Dina
and Elikus?

557
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,360
Oh, I'm here for it.
Because she's the other one.

558
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,760
Yes, you know, I, I think again,
it's such an interesting

559
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:11,560
juxtaposition to showing the the
different ways kids grow up

560
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,480
right in in in the sense of
change and and discover

561
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,240
themselves.
But it's set in the backdrop of

562
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,360
an apocalypse, right?
And so seeing them come together

563
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,640
and talk about how they smell,
but yet there can still be that

564
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,560
attraction there because they're
young, they're figuring things

565
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,040
out.
I thought that was really

566
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,880
beautiful.
Like you said, I think the scene

567
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,320
setting was gorgeous.
The lights are just absolutely

568
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,200
stunning.
But I think that it also depicts

569
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,160
that even though it's the end of
the world, people are still

570
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,880
homophobic assholes.
Over it, Get over it.

571
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,040
What is the deal like Seth?
Fuck Seth.

572
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,480
Like if I was, if I had a
settlement like this 1st, 1st

573
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,040
order of business, If you're
racist, homophobic, xenophobic,

574
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,480
like any of the bigots, if you
fall under that category, you're

575
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,840
out or you're you're.
I'm cursing a lot.

576
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,720
I apologize.
Just gonna.

577
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,440
Old yell at you like that's it.
We don't need you.

578
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,680
Send them out to the bat here.
That's true.

579
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,920
Go get some Cordyceps, make some
friends, then we'll shoot you in

580
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,640
the head.
Yo.

581
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:20,200
What deserved?
You know, I, I think this scene,

582
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:25,280
I when it happened, I forgot it
happened and I went, Oh my God.

583
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,400
Because at first it's like, Oh
yeah, maybe like I get like it's

584
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,240
a family event.
Maybe they were making out too

585
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,920
much.
And then the, the slur like you

586
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,960
just why?
Like that is who you are.

587
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,880
And you just couldn't wait.
You're like, oh, finally, here's

588
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,520
some gay people.
It was too much drinking on the

589
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,120
New Year's.
Lips got a little loose.

590
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,880
I will say I agree with what
Joel did.

591
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,520
In fact, he should have done
more, but that's what we all

592
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,160
should be doing.
What did he do?

593
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,000
He pushed him.
And I think this scene is really

594
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,200
like I there was many moments,
the moment where he went into

595
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,840
Ellie's room to get the guitar.
He was like, the strings are I'm

596
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,720
just, you know, like ran away to
to go fix it, which was cute.

597
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,040
And this one where she
humiliates him in front of

598
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,440
everybody.
I second hand embarrassment one,

599
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,480
but also just a deep sadness for
this guy because like he lost

600
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,760
his daughter and his daughter
that is here now wants nothing

601
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,240
to do with him and she's just
projecting that to everybody

602
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,320
else.
It's just so.

603
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,760
Sad.
Like so sad.

604
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,520
I just want to give him a hug
like it's OK.

605
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,600
Everything he's done is, has
been for her.

606
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,120
You know, I mean, I think that's
like you said, the the

607
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,640
transformation of Joel is that
at first it was for him, but

608
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,960
then it became for her and it
still continues to be for her.

609
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,960
And I do think that there is
still some for him, but not as

610
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,400
much because, you know, he is
lying about it and he did do

611
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,360
what he wanted to do, not what
she wanted to do.

612
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,280
So I think there is some like
level of like, this is what he

613
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,720
wants, but also like, it's not
wrong to want that.

614
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,160
Like he he loves her and she
loves him to some extent.

615
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,040
So like fuck God, get over it.
Stupid kids.

616
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,080
Find another daughter I don't
know.

617
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,720
Find something some other way.
Find another daughter.

618
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,760
Is that what you're?
Just going to say.

619
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,120
Doctor, get another daughter
Who?

620
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,080
Cares about Tina.
She'd be great.

621
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,520
Where's her parents?
She'd be great.

622
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,880
Good question.
I was wondering that myself,

623
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,120
actually, yeah.
OK, So what was your favorite

624
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,640
moment of this episode?
We'll wrap up here.

625
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,560
Stalker.
The whole stalker sequence.

626
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,400
OK, Yeah, nice.
My name's GAIL and Joel, that

627
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,040
conversation, because I think
again, it's it's one of those

628
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,080
things of like it's a new scene.
So like I might just be

629
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,280
gravitating towards those.
And also just close-ups of Pedro

630
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,680
Pascal are always, it's always
set to light.

631
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,440
Don't look at my photos album.
I have many just like

632
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,480
screenshots of him because I was
trying to do a post of like they

633
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,040
say he's handsome and I just
couldn't pick which one.

634
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,280
Yeah, and you didn't have them
already in there.

635
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,280
You had to find them, I'm sure.
And.

636
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,000
I only landed on three, not even
43, not even.

637
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,200
Four top three.
Top three.

638
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,080
Three yeah, OK, so any final
thoughts anything that you're

639
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,840
like what's going to happen
next, you know for the season

640
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,240
just.
I think that there is going to

641
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,240
be a lot of questions of
morality, a lot of questions of

642
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,240
right versus wrong, and I think
our characters are going to make

643
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,720
some pretty bad decisions.
Even more decisions.

644
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,320
Yeah, I'm very excited.
I think the Stinger trailer at

645
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,040
the end of like this season on
The Last of Us really got me

646
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,920
hyped because one, it's new
footage we haven't seen, but I

647
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:52,000
just think this show is is if it
lands, if it's six landing

648
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,560
again.
I mean, we have so many good

649
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,920
shows that are happening right
now.

650
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,120
I don't know what's happening.
Like, great.

651
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,000
Love it.
But yeah, I'm actually kind of

652
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,800
pissed that the show's back just
because it's so emotional.

653
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,280
I'm with you.
I'm with you.

654
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,520
It's like, yay, it's back.
Oh no.

655
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,600
Every We're just going to be
crying, crying all the time.

656
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,719
Yeah, OK.
I do want to say like one thing

657
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,120
that's like spoiler, spoiler.
Like this is like game spoiler

658
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:20,880
so.
Shut it off.

659
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,760
If you don't want yeah, if you
don't want to be spoiled with

660
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,360
that, like stop listening here
because we're about to wrap up.

661
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,520
You gone.
OK, So kind of back to the whole

662
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,320
thing of like, so Abby kills
Joel.

663
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,000
Obviously, you know, we know
this from the game.

664
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,920
So I think that's what goes back
to like seeing her already and

665
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,920
getting that like I want to kill
Joel.

666
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,040
It, it does diminish from a
person that's played the game of

667
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,120
like, oh, that was kind of like
one of the biggest emotional

668
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,199
things because when Abby
literally meets up with Joel,

669
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,240
like she's going to find him,
she accidentally meets up with

670
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,800
him.
He saves her life getting away

671
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,800
from this horde of infected and
then she ends up killing him.

672
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,120
It was such like the game, the
way it starts, it doesn't stop

673
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,920
the, the game just keeps going.
It's just a whirlwind of just

674
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,480
like misery and action and
terrible choices and violence.

675
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,880
And I think like to almost show
Abby already going there and

676
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,640
like, I'm going to be doing this
is like, OK, like it was a

677
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,400
little hand holdy.
Does that make sense?

678
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,920
Like, I think I wish they would
have just kept it how it was.

679
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,120
But I maybe there's a reason.
Maybe they're going to show like

680
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,880
a flashback of because Abby was
there in the hospital when Joel

681
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,680
unalived all those people.
So maybe there's a reason why

682
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,360
they did show it that way.
But I did like that Abby has a

683
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,600
different now, I guess,
relationship with the giraffes

684
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,680
that are out there as in
contrast with Ellie.

685
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,680
Ellie is like Wonder Man and it
was like this thing and Hope and

686
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,400
Abby, it's death and her family.
So I'd like the parallels

687
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,640
between the two.
More giraffes, yeah.

688
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,720
OK, that's.
That's such a major spoiler.

689
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,640
Oh my God people are going to be
so mad if they didn't stop.

690
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,880
I gave ample warning.
Oh my God, I'll put a spoiler.

691
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,320
I'll put another spoiler thing
here.

692
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,440
Like major major spoiler.
Just keep flashing the screen.

693
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,560
I mean, personally I haven't
seen Pedro Pascal die since Game

694
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,760
of Thrones, so my.
God, he kind of dies the same

695
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,680
way.
He gets his eyeballs squished.

696
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,800
Well, I'm not going to tell you.
They step on him, bash his head,

697
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,400
him with the bat.
It's Negan.

698
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,640
It's Negan.
Worse.

699
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,360
Oh.
God, I can't wait.

700
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,440
I don't want to do.
This all right till Doctor Who

701
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,640
slash next episode.
Bye.