'The Last of Us' Season 2 Episode 2 Review | HBO

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Talk about infected.
Look at my face.

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I look like Joel at the end of
this episode.

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I have a chronic condition where
my eye gets really swollen.

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So if you're watching this,
you're welcome.

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Welcome to a Vita.
Oh.

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My God, the Pope is dead.
Something else happens.

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We haven't said a spoiler
warning yet, but you know that

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happens.
My face looks like this.

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We're talking about The Last of
Us Season 2 Episode 2.

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I'm Derek, and that's very
pretty, Noah.

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My eye is not swollen, no.
It's not.

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No, it's not.
Yes, episode 2 of The Last of Us

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is giving very much like series
premiere energy.

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There is spoilers, there is lots
of tough things to talk about.

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I am trying to hold it together
at this moment.

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Give a review comment below.
Did you love this episode?

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Did you hate it?
What did you not like?

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What did you like?
We need to have a therapy

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session.
So spoilers, spoilers, spoilers

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ahead.
Let us officially take a bite of

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The Last of Us Season 2 Episode
2, Through the Valley, written

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by Neil Druckman and directed by
Mark Mylod.

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Jackson is walloped with a storm
of bloater size proportions.

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The safe hold is broken by a
horde of hibernating infected

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and an emergency plan is
initiated.

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In a kismet moment, Joel saves
Abby, but Abby does not return

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the favor.
So, general thoughts?

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Sir, I don't know what do you
think?

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What do you what?
What does anybody think?

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Love it, couldn't wait.
For it, no SO.

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Excited for it to happen.
I think this was the thing that

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a lot of fans were dreading when
they said this was going to be

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ATV show.
We all said hell yeah.

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Oh no, because of this episode,
because of this moment.

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So how were they going to change
it?

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How were they going to do it?
Because we talked about in our

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first review or first discussion
of this the season so far that

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they changed a lot of things
that didn't stop here.

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I think that they did some
amazing things in this episode

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and then there's some choices
that I'm confused about.

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I'm not a big fan of handholding
stuff, so I thought it was

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surprising that they did some of
that here.

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But we got some like big action
set pieces that were bigger and

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grander than they were in the
first season.

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They promised us more infected.
I think we got enough, like if

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we didn't have any infected for
the next two episodes, I think

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they failed their quota at some
point.

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But I think All in all, it was a
great episode of television.

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Yeah, there were a lot of moving
parts to this episode.

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And what I thought was really
cool about it was that there was

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I in my mind, there was just
this loop of up and down the

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mountain, right?
And I think that a lot of people

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were making that loop.
I think a lot of infected were

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making that loop.
And I think it just kind of kept

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all this action.
So it felt so intense, even

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though there it was happening in
two separate places.

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So the whole episode was just
like a nail biter of an episode.

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I mean, literal hordes of
infected here.

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And I think all of the technical
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create this episode were
executed really well.

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Yeah, this is the episode,
right, that I think is going to

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really set the groundwork to
what the rest of the series is

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going to be about.
And this is the catalyst.

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Again, it was the end of the
season 1 and this one just puts

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Ellie in this particular
trajectory that will change the

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course of everybody's lives in
this in the show.

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So one of the big changes and I
would say maybe 2/3 of this

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episode, there's the siege of
Jackson, right?

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We hear throughout this episode
that there's, you know, infected

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that are insulating themselves.
They're smarter.

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We knew that those roots had
some of those cordycep tendrils

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coming through there.
How is all that going to play

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out?
Well, a giant big action set

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piece that gave me like feelings
of Game of Thrones, which I was

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not mad about.
What did you make of this?

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Like I guess grand almost war
battle scene that we didn't see

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in the first season at all.
I well, like I said, I think

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that the action we as viewers
kind of needed something like

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this and I think it was really
well done.

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One of the things that I think
came of this that I really

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enjoyed was seeing Tommy and
Maria as leaders in Jackson

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Hole.
I think they really held their

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own here.
They managed to work together

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without actually being together,
still having each other's backs.

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I think it showed them not only
as leaders, but also as a

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couple, as a relationship of P2,
people who love each other, who

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have literally been through the
end of the world and could see

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it all end in this moment.
So as far as their character

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development, you know, because
with Tommy last season, he

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really wasn't around that much.
So to see him take more of a

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center stage role in this scene,
I really appreciate it.

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Yeah, and you get to see how,
you know, it's one thing to see

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these people 20-30 years after
the apocalypse happened, and

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they're all they are.
They're already prepared, but

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how are they actually enacting
those things that they prepared?

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It was really cool to see in the
in the game, we hear about

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Jackson getting threats and
things that happened, but you

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never see it because in the game
at this point, because we know

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what happens, they're gone, they
leave Jackson.

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So like Jackson's kind of like
in the review at this point.

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So seeing like even just the the
barrels of gas that get dropped

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down, how the fence was
fortified, how they're going to

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stand in the streets on Main
Street with the flamethrowers,

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the dogs being on the roofs,
going up high ground, people

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down below.
It was really smart.

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I like seeing all of those
things where it's like, oh OK,

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that could possibly work.
And I think it's really, it was

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very scary because there's only
so much you can do to protect

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yourself.
You know, they did have this

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really great plan in place, but
watching things fall apart,

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right?
Even like you said, the barrels

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going down and starting the
fires, it only stopped so many

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of them.
Once a bloater came into town.

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Absolutely.
And seeing these big giant

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wooden walls crumble at the
hands of that bloater, it just

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showed how even though they feel
not that necessarily advance,

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but they feel modern as far as a
city is concerned in these

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conditions.
There's only so much in their

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control.
And I, you know, I think that

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that speaks to life itself and
how you can prepare and prepare

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and prepare, but you can't
prepare for everything.

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Well, and I what this episode
really does too is it shows that

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it's not just our main
characters that are in trouble,

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that other people are in trouble
as well.

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So I think from a world
perspective and understanding

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the costs and stakes of this
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this.
Because seeing those, those

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women, children, elderly, the
the civilians just down below

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cowering and hearing the door
being shook, that's scary.

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You know, you don't want these
kids getting hurt.

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And it's like, stop having kids.
Like there's too many babies.

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There was there was 1 scene
where I was like, OK that's like

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10 kids like.
That's like, that's like the

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quiet place.
You know that like the big thing

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of the Quiet Place?
It's like, why did they have a

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baby?
Granted it's like 30 years but

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still like Oh my God.
Yeah, yeah.

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And I think, you know, I'm
watching this.

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You can't help but put yourself
in in that place, in that

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situation.
And I'm going, oh, I'd be

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useless.
I'd be so useless in this entire

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situation.
But you know, I think hopefully

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adrenaline takes over at some
point.

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You have no choice but to fight.
And that's what I love so much

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about Tommy here.
You know, he he starts off kind

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of at the top of the gates
leading everyone.

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When that fails, when they
breakthrough, he ends up in the

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street and he's kind of a line
of these flamethrower soldiers

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and they run away.
Well, OK, I'm just going to.

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So like while I did say it was
cool to see their plans in

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action, some of them I was like,
what did you?

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Maybe they didn't think there
would be this many, but when you

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saw that there was like
thousands coming towards you, I

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don't think four people with
flamethrowers was going to do

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much.
Maybe hopefully like fish in a

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barrel, kind of shooting fish in
a barrel would have helped and

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it did.
But like they got overran so

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quickly, which I think just even
shows that even though they've

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advanced in some way and they
have all of these precautions in

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place, it doesn't matter once
you get overwhelmed like that,

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the numbers are just too great.
And especially throwing a

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bloater in there.
I like seeing a bloater in the

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more daylight.
I guess you know, before we saw

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him in that the very likes
Narrow St. was dark.

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There was only fire really
illuminating it.

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But seeing this and having Tommy
go one to one when the bloater

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was terrifying.
There was a lot of instances in

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this episode where it was like a
ticking clock almost.

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The storm was approaching.
And so they had all of these

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things going on with a Blizzard.
I mean, we get it.

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It sucks, yeah.
What did what did you think of

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the final moments of Tommy and
the Bloater?

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How did that feel for you?
I, I mean, I, I think I knew he

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wasn't going to die.
Even just not knowing from the

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game or whatever, because we've
seen scenes in the trailers.

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I thought it was still effective
because like, whoa, I mean, you

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see the, the gauge on the gas
tank go down as he's shooting it

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and it's like still walking.
It's still walking towards him.

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I liked it.
I think it was a very like,

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intense scene.
And Tommy tried, he tried and

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tried and he won in the end.
But yeah.

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I, I, I'm so grateful that he
did win in the end.

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I mean, it only took a
flamethrower and probably like,

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you know, 500 bullets to finally
stop it, but that thing was

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hungry for Tommy.
Well, I like that.

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He also he saw it look at Maria
and he said, no, he's like, if

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anything, I'm going to make sure
that she doesn't have to deal

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with this.
But Speaking of Maria up there,

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which I mean, fantastic, very
MVP moment on your left moment,

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letting the dogs out and then
the dogs essentially making them

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win because dogs are amazing.
We still don't deserve dogs, but

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I liked that.
I, I think it was at the top of

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this moment where it shows
somebody getting bit and he

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hands the gun to somebody else
like he knew he's like, I'm bit

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like.
Take care of devastating that.

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Was an insane detail that I
don't think I needed, but it's

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just a layer of like these
people understand well.

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Yes.
And it's very much for the

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greater good right of going.
I'm not going to risk everyone

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else, just do it because we know
what's going to happen here.

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What did you make of the
infected?

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Kind of, because we see Abby.
Abby essentially is the one that

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makes this horde bigger because
she steps into the nest and

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awakens all of them.
What did you think of that whole

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sequence with that clicker?
Just slowly like.

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Yeah, Abby, Abby's the MVP of
this episode as far as most

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people, problem maker, because
she really just starts some shit

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here.
And so we, like you said, we get

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that that seed is planted at the
beginning of the episode,

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talking about the infected using
the other infected as a way to

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stay warm and survive.
And so when she lands down

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there, you just know it's bad.
And I wasn't sure how many were

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going to come out, but damn.
Like I think that mountain was

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basically infected well.
So she really, she awakened like

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one pod of them, I guess.
And then as Joel, Dina and Abby

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are going to where Dina's group
is, there's another group

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coming.
Abby's Abby's group.

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No, there's there was two groups
of infected that met up and one

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started going towards Jackson
and the group that was following

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them turned to go with them,
right.

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So that's why there was no
infected really following them

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towards the end.
They all went towards Jackson,

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but there's two groups of
they're just would would they

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just piling up?
They're like, oh, here comes

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winter.
Let's all like Huddle.

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In they're like little bears.
They just go hibernate if they

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eat too much.
But you know, we again see in

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this instance how the infected
are evolving, right?

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And so, so much of this episode
is about how the slim chance of

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something happening could alter
the story.

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And so when we first see this,
it's like, of course, she falls

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and she unleashes them.
But then at that same time,

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someone in Jackson happens to
open that pipe and hit those

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other tendrils, which lets them
all know that communication goes

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through that they should go
there.

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Instead, there's a lot of
instances in this episode where

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like, in particular, like,
'cause you know, we know Joel

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dies in this episode, right?
If anything would have changed,

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there's so many instances where
like Joel didn't have to die,

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but every single thing that
happened kept leading to that.

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The fact that Abby, they talked
in the beginning and they're

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like, what's our plan?
Even if we did get into the

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city, how are we going to know
where Joel is?

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Of course, Joel just happens to
be the only patrol that goes

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into her sights.
Get out of here.

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And, you know, they, they were
really playing with us in this

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episode because we're in the
dark like Ellie at the beginning

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of this, who's looking for Joel
in a sense.

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And he's already gone.
So we just know that he's gone.

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And we don't know when he's
going to pop up.

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And of course, he pops up to
save Abby.

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I, I really think that she is
now we're kind of, I was trying

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to put off the Joel
conversation, which will still

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putting it off at some point.
I'm putting it off as long as

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possible.
There's a lot of instances where

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it's like they purposely kept
Ellie and Joel away from each

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other, like constantly
throughout the, I mean, it's 2

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episodes, right?
But it was the last time we saw

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them.
They were fighting.

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It does seem like when we pick
up with Abby with Ellie today

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that she's like, I want to go on
a patrol with Joel.

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I think that we're missing a
scene and we'll see it later

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because when she came back from
the dance from the New Year's

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thing, it didn't really show the
end of that.

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But it seems like whatever
happened that night, maybe they

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had a conversation or something
and they made-up and some or had

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an understanding.
I don't know if made-up, but the

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fact that she said I want to go
on patrol with Joel, there's

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some development, some growth
had happened that we didn't see

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and I don't like that.
Why don't you like that?

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Because it's.
Going to be sad.

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Oh yeah.
Because he died and then we're

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going to see them come to some
type of understanding and it's

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going to be like, cool.
Well, at least though I remember

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you had said when we had watched
the first episode that I hope

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those aren't her last words to
him when she yells at him at the

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dance.
So if there is that scene there,

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at least we know that there's
something was mended between

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them.
But you know, before we get to

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Abby, I do want to talk about
the scene with Seth that we see

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where he apologizes for what he
at the dance.

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And I don't know necessarily
what Maria was trying to achieve

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in that, other than just trying
to keep the peace.

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But when something like that is
said, that's not easily

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forgivable.
Well, I.

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Love what Ellie said and it's
100% true and don't let anybody

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ever tell you otherwise.
Is she said.

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Oh, because people haven't said
things other than when they're

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drunk or thought things prior to
when they've had a few drinks.

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Like, yeah, you have thought
that it just came out, so

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whatever.
I mean, the good thing is that

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he did listen to Maria.
He did apologize to Ellie.

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So there is some understanding
there.

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And I think that's like the
basis of like at least try.

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Sure.
Yeah, learn, learn from this.

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And you know, also with Ellie's
journey here we learn more about

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Eugene, Yeah as well, who had a
711 grow house for for weed.

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This is one of the changes that
they made in this.

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I you hate librarians, you took
out the library.

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That's right, I got excited.
Fine, whatever.

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It's OK.
Books.

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Wow.
Yeah, I'll, I'll go more into

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like the changes and stuff after
we talk about the Abby stuff.

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But I did like that we we keep
getting these instances of

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Eugene, right.
I they're hammering it in like

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don't forget about Eugene.
Like there's an episode coming

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up which is like, we get it.
But I like that Ellie is now

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finding out a little bit more
about Eugene, even though she's

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obviously known him.
She knew what Joel had to do, so

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her learning a little bit more,
but I mean in a 711, all that

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weed, fantastic.
I mean, that's a party.

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It's the end of the world.
What else are you going to do?

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Also, Jesse, chill out.
He's like, you can't take all

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that, like chill out.
Eugene isn't around anymore.

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He's not going to know his stock
is gone.

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Yeah, for sure.
All right, let's go up the

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mountain.
Yeah, Jesse really foreshadowed

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this episode because she said,
oh, do you think that Storm's

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coming here?
And he's like, no, it's going to

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stay up in the mountains.
Yes.

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Who died in the mountains?
Yeah, there's a hell of a storm

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in the mountains.
So 1 noticeable change from the

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game to the show was that the
groups right when Joel does die,

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when he goes to the cabin with
Abby's group, it's Tommy that's

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with him.
Dina and Ellie are together,

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Jesse's like down in Jackson.
I can sort of understand the

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changes in the group that they
did.

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It did make me more nervous that
Dina was with Joel in this

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moment because then it kind of
opened it up to uncertainty of

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like, oh, I don't, I don't know
what's going to happen here

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because I thought I knew but
y'all are changing things on me

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and this is too emotional for
you to change it on me.

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Seeing Abby crawl under the
fence.

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Loved that scene.
I thought it was just

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structurally amazing.
And then as soon as that hand

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comes out with that watch, I was
like, oh, no, here we go.

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Yeah.
They made sure you saw that

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watch just taking a step back
when Abby's crawling under that

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fence and that one infected is
pushing so hard to grab her that

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the chain link goes through his
hand.

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That was gnarly.
That was gnarly.

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What are they saying about hands
in this episode?

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You.
Know they're expendable,

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Exactly.
Exactly.

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But yeah, seeing Joel, it's just
and and they keep his face off

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screen, but we know that it's
him.

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And just from that moment on,
it's pure devastation.

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Yeah, I, I think the the last
thing that Joel sees aside from

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Ellie when she does end up
making it into the the room is

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Jackson on fire and he doesn't
know if his brother is alive,

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which is so I, you know, they
didn't show a lot of Joel

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getting killed, which is fine.
I think I don't need to see it.

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I saw it in the game enough.
But just those extra layers of

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he looked over when he knew
something was up, when he knew

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Abby was like upset at him about
something and it was going to

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get serious.
He looked over at Jackson and

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it's on fire and I'm like, this
sucks.

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This sucks.
Like this dude tried.

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He tried.
He made a bad decision.

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Not excusing it made a bad
decision.

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It's like, damn, OK.
And, and I think that's what's

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so upsetting for Joel is that
Joel try so hard to take care of

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those that are around him.
And in that moment, he's looking

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behind him, seeing his home for
the last five years, burning,

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not knowing what's going on with
his brother.

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And in this moment, knowing I
don't know where Ellie is.

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And I think these are my last
moments and I have no control

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over it.
And I can't help her anymore.

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Yeah, I mean, at least he's it's
just him that's there.

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Maybe.
But yeah, he doesn't know where

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she is, what's happening there,
why it's on fire.

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How did you feel about Abby's
motivations here, like when with

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her group?
Because her group very much

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seems like I'm kind of on board
with this, but like it's a

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little a step too far in some
instances.

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I think that Abby maybe doesn't
even realize how much rage she

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had built up in her and kind of
made these, I don't want to say

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well-intentioned plans with
these plans of, well, we're just

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going to kill Joel and we're not
going to hurt anyone else.

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And everyone's on board.
And it almost seems like, you

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know, Mel and one or the other
part, people in the group are

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kind of purely there for medical
needs and are just there to

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sedate anyone who's around, not
kill anyone.

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And when they're watching her
cross the line, I think for them

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it feels like blurring the line
of right and wrong, blurring the

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line of this revenge that she
has to get because she's taking

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it too far.
She did something where, you

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know, they she had told Mel to
sedate Dina, unlike prior to

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sleep, which I think was good
for Dina's sake.

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But Dina did hear everything.
She knows her name, she knows

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where they're from.
She she knows a lot of

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information before they put her
out.

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So that's a good thing for Ellie
and for the revenge sake on that

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side.
But to see, you know, I'm I'm

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curious on what they thought was
going to happen because there

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was moments where she kind of
insinuates that like she could

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kill Dina and she was like
serious about it and like her

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group was kind of like, wait,
you only said Joel.

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So I think there's that that
scariness of like, oh, wait,

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we're not totally sure how far
Abby's going to go with this.

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I mean, she was doing she was
like gearing up to do this for

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five years.
She was just festering in the

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hatred we saw at the beginning
of this episode, like AI would

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say like a PTSD nightmare almost
where she's her now self is in

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past self going to see her
father dead on the floor in the

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hospital.
And she's seeing that.

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So it's like that's just all,
that's the mind space she's been

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in this entire time.
So she's had a lot, lot of anger

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building up in her.
Absolutely.

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And I think that once that can
is opened, there's no way to

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stop it from completely spilling
over.

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It just so happens that she sort
of has these 4, you know,

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conscious consciousness of
people going there to pull her

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back, right?
Whereas if she was by herself,

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it might not have been that.
It might have been even worse.

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I yeah, maybe because she just,
she was like, oh, I'm going to

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use the shotgun to bust your
kneecap out.

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Oh, there's some golf clubs.
Let me use these.

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Yeah, OK.
That was a pristine looking set

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of golf clubs, let me tell.
You.

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Well, they didn't need it in the
apocalypse.

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Of anything to survive that
lodge, it was those golf clubs,

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Yeah.
And, you know, it's, it's tough.

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I mean, to see Joel be tortured.
It's, you know, it, it's funny.

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I just watched a bloater get
torched.

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I watched dogs RIP out the
infected throats.

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I'm like, yeah, I get them.
But when it's Joel, it's

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visceral.
It's almost more quiet.

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It's more intimate.
And therefore it's more terror.

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It it, it's just that much more
scary.

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Yeah, I there was moments where
I think the interesting thing

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with this situation or this
scene and how they played it

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when they did it in like the
daytime, which is a stark

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difference from the game.
And I'm, I'm curious on what

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that decision was maybe just to
like, bring this horror to

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light.
I, I'm trying to like form words

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of like, I thought this was
deeply unsettling and deeply

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sad, even though I knew it was
going to happen, even though

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I've experienced it before.
And the same beats did happen,

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just a little, maybe slightly
different.

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There's just some things about,
I think this scene where Abby is

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fully telling her motivations.
And I think that's very odd and

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to me almost takes away from I,
I guess the, the horror of it,

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the what is happening, the, the
violence of it, because nobody

447
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,880
here should be, nobody should
know.

448
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,200
Like, Joel doesn't know in the
game, Joel dies not knowing why

449
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,080
this person killed him.
And I think that is so deeply

450
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,240
sad and unsettling that to take
that away is almost like, OK,

451
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,360
like, I guess that's a comfort,
right?

452
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,680
But us as audiences know, and
the entire length of the game,

453
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,160
you don't find that out until
way later.

454
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:47,280
You don't know her motivation.
So I think the hand holdiness of

455
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,400
that is odd.
And I don't think I like it

456
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,120
because now we're almost in the
seat of like, I'm supposed to

457
00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:59,480
sympathize with her, but because
I know her motivations now, it's

458
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,600
not impactful.
Does that make sense?

459
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,080
Yeah, I, I see what you're
saying.

460
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,160
I do think it's interesting
though, because as someone who

461
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,600
played the game, I think you do
have that other perspective to

462
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,560
compare it to.
And so if something was done and

463
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,840
you really liked it and not
seeing that play out the way

464
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,440
that you liked it, I think that
can be disappointing.

465
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,840
So I definitely understand that
now.

466
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,000
Me as someone who didn't play
the game, to me it just felt

467
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,880
more like a villain monologuing.
Right.

468
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,520
It's like that weird cheap.
I agree.

469
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,080
It's like that weird thing that
villains always do.

470
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,560
I think you see it more in
cartoons than you do in live

471
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:36,640
action.
So.

472
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,440
You see it in superhero stuff
all the time.

473
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,280
That's fair.
But this is not superhero,

474
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,200
right?
That this is not that type of

475
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,640
show.
So to see that monologuing, I

476
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,360
think was definitely a surprise.
Although I did like that it gave

477
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:57,360
Joel one last time to kind of be
Joel and say just get it over

478
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,480
with already.
Like shut the hell up.

479
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,560
He.
Said shut the fuck up.

480
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,840
Yeah, get it over with already.
This is taking too long.

481
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,480
Yeah, I yeah, I mean, I I get
it.

482
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,920
One of the changes I think that
they did really well was

483
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,240
swapping Dina for Tommy.
Tommy, we know why he wasn't

484
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,960
there.
He had to go defend Jackson,

485
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,000
which I think was a cool thing
to do.

486
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,280
I don't know of like having
these two things in the same

487
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,160
episode was necessarily the best
decision because even though I

488
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,920
felt like it was all like ramped
up and it was all high and we

489
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,720
got this really huge emotional
ending.

490
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,720
I'm, it just kind of felt almost
like I, I would like to sit with

491
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,640
this and then also have this,
but it just felt too, I don't

492
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,880
know, too lopsided to me almost.
I think it worked overall.

493
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,080
I just think I was more like, I
don't know, like I know what's

494
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,320
coming.
So like, I couldn't really sit

495
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,680
with the Jackson stuff.
Does that make sense?

496
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,080
Yeah, I understand.
But in the apocalypse, baby,

497
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,920
there's no controlling it.
Of course, it's not mayhem at

498
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,880
all times.
But the people wrote this.

499
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,680
And I, and I think that there's,
you know, something there of

500
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,640
showing violence can take many
forms.

501
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,160
And it can be something as scary
as a horde of infected breaking

502
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,360
through a wall, or it can be
something as quiet as someone

503
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,560
torturing someone to death.
Quiet.

504
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,600
Think of that.
There were how many people in

505
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,160
that room and only one of them
was making a noise.

506
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,120
Ellie heard them from downstairs
and she came up.

507
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,440
Yeah, No, I I get what you mean.
Yeah, I think there was one

508
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,320
thing that I did like, because
they separately change the

509
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,720
groups is in the in the game, it
made no sense of why Joel and

510
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,800
Tommy were saying each other's
names.

511
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,480
And that's how Abby knew that
that was Joel.

512
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,600
And so in this instance, when
Joel takes Abby into that

513
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,360
warehouse, wherever they were,
Deena's calling for Joel because

514
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:48,920
she didn't know where he was.
And then it made sense.

515
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,520
So I was like, OK, I like that
change.

516
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,520
Like then Abby was like, oh,
shit, so that was a good change.

517
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,080
I don't know.
I just think that like us like

518
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,880
fully laying out all her
motivation in the second episode

519
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,360
is, is odd.
I think it's odd for that

520
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:04,800
character.
That's just, that's just me.

521
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,520
That was like my biggest gripe
with it was like, oh, oh, oh,

522
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,400
OK.
Like we're not going to get that

523
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,280
emotional journey of like, I
don't like just nobody knowing

524
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,160
why.
Like we all know now.

525
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,000
So like, OK, go get her Ellie.
You know, and thank God for

526
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,080
that, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

527
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:28,880
But yeah, that but going finally
when Ellie does get there and

528
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,360
she gets pinned down and Joel
and her are just looking at each

529
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:33,600
other.
Woof.

530
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,800
Yeah, it's, it's, it's really
sad.

531
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,080
I mean, to have to have her
crawling, crying for Joel,

532
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,320
telling him to get up.
And then that moment when he

533
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,520
actually does try to get up,
like she sees that there's still

534
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,880
some life in him and he tries
and her face changes and she's

535
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,560
like, oh, he's still alive.
And then, you know, Abby, Abby

536
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,360
finishes the job.
But the final moment of her

537
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:57,880
crawling to Joel and then laying
on top of him and then also

538
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,480
hearing Ashley Johnson, who
voiced Ellie sing through the

539
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,440
valley over this.
Why would it was already sad, I

540
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,040
didn't need that.
This.

541
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,840
But you know it's fine.
Yeah, it was traumatizing, I

542
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,840
think.
I mean, I was kind of in shock.

543
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,280
And I'm going to be honest, I
didn't really sleep well last

544
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,920
night just because it was so
violent and so terrible.

545
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:27,080
And it's rare that your main
character is killed in the

546
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,760
second episode of the second
season.

547
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,560
It's very much a, I mean, Game
of Thrones, right?

548
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,600
In the first season of Game of
Thrones and the season finale,

549
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,840
Ned Stark dies.
And you as a viewer, or even a

550
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,280
reader of this book is like, oh,
this is going to be a character

551
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,360
that is throughout this whole
thing.

552
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,400
But in reality, this is the
character that ignites

553
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,040
everything and sets everything
in motion.

554
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,280
So unfortunately, that's this
character for Joel.

555
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,800
He sets everything in motion for
this.

556
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,480
It's very much like, you know,
Joel created this thing for

557
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,080
Abby.
Abby created the same exact

558
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,360
thing for Ellie.
So it's just repeating itself.

559
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,160
Joel took away her father.
Abby took away her father.

560
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,040
I mean, where are we going to
stop?

561
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,280
This cycle of revenge just keeps
going and I think that the

562
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,600
questions that we're dealing
with here are do 2 wrongs make a

563
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,000
right?
No, you know 2 wrongs just make

564
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,400
more wrongs and more anger.
And here we are again, in the

565
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,000
same situation, but now we're
just seeing it through Ellie's

566
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,800
eyes.
Yeah, I I do like that Dina was

567
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,560
there to experience it, though,
because they're not really an

568
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,880
item in the show at the moment.
In the game, they're the ones

569
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,920
that go to the library, they get
naked, they have a great time

570
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,360
together and they become an
item.

571
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,920
So for Dina to go with Ellie to
find Abby makes sense because

572
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,240
it's like, they're a couple.
And this now she's like, what's

573
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,360
the right word?
Like she experienced it, like it

574
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,040
happened to her, too.
So she's going to have that

575
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,520
motivation to be like, yeah,
Ellie, let's go.

576
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,120
Like, I also want to, you know,
avenge him or whatever.

577
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,960
She has stakes in this now as
well.

578
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,920
And then of course, just as the
song is playing and they're on

579
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,480
the horses.
I don't want to talk about.

580
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,560
It and Ellie looks.
Back.

581
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,040
It's fine.
She still had the blood of Joel

582
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,240
on her face.
It's fine.

583
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,400
Breaking Her ribs are broken.
It's fine.

584
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,160
And this next episode I'm
actually looking forward to

585
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,080
because I want to see the
emotional stakes.

586
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,480
I want to see how everyone is
affected by this death.

587
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,680
Yeah, we see that scene of Ellie
waking up screaming, which I

588
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,280
would too.
I, you know, also fuck Abby for

589
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,240
being like, you know what?
You are really handsome.

590
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,240
We know it's Pedro Pascal.
Of course he's handsome.

591
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,200
Shut up.
And then she took that away from

592
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,520
him.
Yeah, she she made him not

593
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:45,560
pretty.
Thanks.

594
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,920
Yeah, I, I don't know.
This episode fucking sucked,

595
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,160
man.
Like emotionally, like it's, of

596
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,560
course it was coming.
I I'm, I think we theorized a

597
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,800
little bit in the first episode,
like when was it going to

598
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,640
happen?
When would we think would be the

599
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,600
right moment?
I think I had thrown around a

600
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,200
little bit, like, no, maybe they
were going to keep him a little

601
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,920
bit.
I'm glad they did it now.

602
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,640
You know, I would have been OK
with them doing it in the first

603
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,600
episode.
Not like, OK with it, but like

604
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,120
understanding that they did it
in the beginning because there's

605
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,520
just so much more we have to get
to and we can't do that

606
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,840
unfortunately, until Joel's out
of the picture.

607
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,600
So to take that and also there's
like expectations between fans.

608
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,120
Like I, that's all I would be
thinking about.

609
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,200
Like if we were in like episode
6 and it hadn't happened yet,

610
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,000
I'd be like, OK, like, you know,
you're kind of pissing me off

611
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,280
now.
Like I know what's going to

612
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,760
happen, why hasn't happened.
So I think it was smart for them

613
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,600
to do it as soon as they could
that it happened and we have to

614
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,320
move on from here.
But I think we're still going to

615
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,000
see him.
We're going to get flashbacks.

616
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,360
Maybe they had a conversation
that we'll see and it's just

617
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,920
going to break our heart all
over again.

618
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,040
But yeah, where do we go from
here?

619
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,040
There is so spoiler game,
spoiler spoilers, more spoilers

620
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,840
in case you don't want to know.
Something that's going to

621
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,120
potentially happen on the show,
the people in that group or do

622
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,000
come back in some form or
fashion, like Ellie is going to

623
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,480
go after them.
There's a there's a noticeable

624
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,600
omission and I'm not sure if
it's going to happen like when

625
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,840
we find out about it, but Mel is
pregnant during this.

626
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,440
So I thought it was an
interesting thing to like not

627
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,200
talk about because the baby and
everything like her pregnancy

628
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,680
plays a a part in it.
So I'm curious if we'll find out

629
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,760
later or if they just didn't
want to like throw another

630
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,600
thing.
By the way, I'm pregnant.

631
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,120
There are definitely pieces that
have been laid out for us,

632
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,720
right?
Like you said, Dina has is a

633
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,960
part of this now.
She saw the patch, the WLF

634
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,800
patch, which I'm just calling
Wolf.

635
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,160
I don't know if that's.
Correct.

636
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,120
Washington Liberation Front
there.

637
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,000
You go so, you know, that piece,
that puzzle piece is set out for

638
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,680
us, for them to explore.
I do think it's, you know,

639
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,600
something to think about of a
lot of times when we're in an

640
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,120
apocalyptic world, the main
point of the story is to stop

641
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,120
the apocalypse or to cure the
disease.

642
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,320
But I feel like that is such a
thing that doesn't exist in this

643
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,320
world.
And now what we're really

644
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:12,320
looking for is just revenge.
Yeah, 'cause Joel killed them.

645
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,800
Wow, so Noah really is on the
side of the fireflies.

646
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,400
Good to know, no?
I'm saying there is no cure

647
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,360
being made because Joel killed
them.

648
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,160
He killed the entire hospital of
them.

649
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,240
Oh, yeah, OK, this is, this is
fun.

650
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,200
It's fine.
Yeah, we're going to go cry some

651
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,000
more.
I know, like, I'm sorry, like I

652
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,960
feel like this episode was kind
of somber and it was again, like

653
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,920
trying to not give away the
ending right up top when we're

654
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,520
talking about it.
But like, I think we're all just

655
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,600
collectively kind of sad.
And especially with stories this

656
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,240
effective, it's hard to be like,
you know, whoo?

657
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,240
Plus, it's the world's baby
Pedro Pascal.

658
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:59,400
I when he was casted, I was
like, I'm going to have to see

659
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,400
him die again.
He's.

660
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,960
The zaddy of all zaddies.
Game of Thrones squished his

661
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,000
head.
Yeah, they really, Yeah, a lot

662
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,239
of head stuff with this poor
guy, his beautiful head.

663
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,520
I'm worried about Mr. Fantastic.
No, it will stretch.

664
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,159
That's true.
Take that.

665
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,080
Nobody can swish his head.
Nobody can stab his head.

666
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,600
Only he can squish his head.
Yeah, how about that?

667
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,400
Very excited for that.
Oh OK, let us know what you

668
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,400
thought.
Have this episode.

669
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,159
Are you looking forward to more?
What are you doing to take care

670
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,320
of yourself after watching this
episode?

671
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,880
I think I had said something on
online of like.

672
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,080
To all the non gamers, welcome
to the grief circle.

673
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,199
We're happy to have you.
Yes, let us all hold hands and

674
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,440
cry I.
Will say I'm very I'm kind of

675
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,679
proud of like the gamers of not
spoiling it.

676
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,239
I, you know, there's of course
people that just openly talked

677
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,920
about it, but I think
collectively we all just really

678
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,199
wanted these new fans to
experience it.

679
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,639
However they were going to do
it.

680
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,760
But like, I don't know, I think
it's kind of nice because

681
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,120
there's so many people that I
was seeing online like Oh my

682
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,080
God, like this is what you guys
experience as I guess yes for

683
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,560
over 5 years now, yes, we had to
live with this, but good job

684
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,480
guys.
So we can all grieve together

685
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,760
now and move on.
And so whatever form that takes,

686
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,600
yeah, I'm excited to see where
Ellie goes from here.

687
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,920
But yeah, I guess till next
time.

688
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,600
More rage.
Yeah.

689
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,000
Goodbye.
Bye.