'The Last of Us' Season 2 Episode 3 Review | HBO

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Hey y'all, load up the cooler
with some home brewed brewskies

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because guess what, there's a
Little League game going on.

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Terrible commercial.
You wouldn't like that.

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That's GAIL, baby.
Imagine that's how they do

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commercials in the apocalypse.
Oh, it's just someone standing

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in in the town square.
Doing that, it's like you're

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right before the town hall
meetings.

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Grab some of Harley's Hardy
Stew.

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I don't know.
We'll workshop it.

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We'll work.
I, I, I can't get off the cuff.

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I'm not going to improv.
I'm Derek.

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That's Noah.
This is a bite of and we're

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covering The Last of Us Season 2
Episode 3, The Path.

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The path, which is also a song
that's in the game and play some

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very pedal moments so just.
Throwing that up, all just names

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of songs this season. 2 out of 3
so far.

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Maybe Yeah, yeah, I guess we'll
see.

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It's an amazing soundtrack so
why not True.

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OK so yeah, another fun episode
that we're here to talk about

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before we get into everything,
make sure you're following,

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subscribing, whatever it is that
we get notifications, whatever

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new episodes come out.
I feel like I'm much those words

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together, but we have Doctor Who
and The Last of Us coming out in

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the same week every week until
both of those shows are done.

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We.
Just did the well, Doctor Who.

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Now we're doing the path in The
Last of Us.

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It all just makes sense.
It all leads to something.

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Absolutely.
So spoil alert ahead.

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We try not to spoil anything
future in the game.

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But if we do, if I feel the need
that I can't not say something,

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I will give double double
spoiler alert.

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So spoiler alert for The Last of
Us.

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All right, so let us officially
take a bite of The Last of Us

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Season 2 Episode 3, The Path,
written by Haley Wiegren Gross

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and Craig Mazen and directed by
Peter Horror.

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Three months passed since Joel
was murdered, and the citizens

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of Jackson can feel the hole
he's left behind.

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Ellie and Dina set out on their
own to track Abby and seek

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justice.
They quickly discovered they

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don't know much about what has
been going on outside the wooden

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walls of their home.
Yikes.

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OK, this this episode, I was
very interested to see how they

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were going to do it because the
show almost has to recalibrate

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itself into what it's going to
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But not Joel.
I'm not saying that Joel was the

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show, but Joel was the anchor,
right?

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And it's Pedro Pascal, so a lot
of star power.

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So how was this going to move
forward from Joel?

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And I felt like it did a good
job of almost like that video

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game thing of like, OK, loading
screen, here's the new path

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forward.
But I, I really appreciated that

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we spent time grieving, not a
lot of time, but with Ellie and

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Tommy specifically, I think
those are the people we needed

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the most to see grieve.
And I think they did a beautiful

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job with that.
Yeah, it's interesting that you

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said kind of what the show is
going to be without Joel,

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because in the second-half of
the show, I was thinking like,

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what is keeping this show from
being just like ACW teen drama,

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right?
But with the preview of the next

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episode, obviously it's not
going to be that at all.

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But it is something really
interesting because the first

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season really was built on Joel
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I mean, even removed from the
opening credits of the show.

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Wow, OK, great.
I.

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Mean they did it, and the
question is, was Pedro Pascal

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under the sheet when they were
washing the body?

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You better be, you know, yeah,
he's like, I'm just going to

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don't touch me or laugh.
But yeah, I think, yeah, we, we

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do know he's going to show up in
flashbacks.

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And that's a very big part of
the game, as well as showing

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flashbacks of their journey to
Jackson or in between the five

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years that we didn't see.
So Pedro is going to be in the

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show in some capacity just to
really break our hearts and miss

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him even more.
It did look like his hand let.

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Us believe, yeah, that it is
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The I believe the actor or
somebody said, I can't remember

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if it was the actor that played
Tommy or something, but they

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said that this scene
specifically was like a one man

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wake.
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incredibly sad and moving and
touching and the only light

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being emanated in that whole
room was from the fire.

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Yeah.
Just seeing him clean up his

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brother and then say give my
luck to Sarah, which is so

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incredibly sad because the two
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with are gone and now we're with
Elantina.

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Yeah, that moment really just
showed the repercussions of what

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happened in that one day.
I mean, it was really like an

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hour, if even that right where
now Joel is gone, Jackson is

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completely is burning, there's
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There's just a lot to deal with.
And so, you know, what's

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interesting is that this is our
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already.
Granted, it's not as as big as

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the first one, but we needed
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I don't think we could have sat
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we know that even though it's
three months later, they're

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still dealing with the loss of
Joel.

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Yeah, they gave us time to
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more in this.
But yeah, I don't think we

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needed three months to really
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Yeah, we got Ellie waking up in
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waking up still in that moment.
I mean, who knows?

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Maybe she was reliving that
moment over and over again.

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And when she finally came to, it
was like, it happened again.

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They had to show us one more
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Yeah, I was like, cool, love it.
But yeah, I don't think this

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show is incredibly sad.
And it's emotionally taxing.

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I don't think we need to sit
with it for too much because

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then it's just becomes like, oh,
this makes me feel not good, you

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know?
And IA lot of this stuff doesn't

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make me feel good, but it's part
of the story.

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And it's like moving forward, I
don't want to sit here, like get

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out of Jackson.
For the love of God, I can't.

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And I think that this episode
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like you said, between the past
of the show and the future of

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the show.
And we just kind of lived in

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Jackson for this one episode to
see what was going on and how

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everyone was dealing with it.
And obviously we see Ellie going

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back to the house, which is
devastating, and just being

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there with him, but it being so
empty, Yeah, you know.

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This particular scene was so
well done.

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It's such a, you know, I, I've
seen some people say that like

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this was a filler episode and
stuff like that.

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Well, granted, no, it's not.
It has a lot of character

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development and it pushes the
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It is slow.
It's a very slow, slow episode.

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I think we need that because a
lot of times we don't get this,

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we don't get the grieving, we
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consequences or repercussions of
a character dying and decisions

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being made like this in a show
with this many episodes anymore.

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Nowadays it's like, hey, the
character died, have like of

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them under the sheet for one
scene and then like move on.

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At least in this we got to see a
little more and her in the

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house.
I it was, it was so sad.

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So, so sad.
It was so sad.

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And I think it would have been
almost unfair to Ellie to not

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give her this moment, right?
I think it as far as audiences,

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right?
Because I had made a comment

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about the first episode of
saying, like, she's really

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bratty.
She's being really like such a

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teenager in this.
And so if we didn't see this

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humanizing moment of her dealing
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then I think that it would have
been a disservice to the

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audience and to the character.
This this episode does a good

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job of showing grief and it's
different ways and how a child

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of 19, you know, she's I don't
feel like she is a child in some

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ways and also Tommy dealing with
grief, but then, you know, a

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town because everybody lost
somebody.

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But we see Ellie specifically
and and Bella Ramsey, they

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phenomenal job in acting in this
episode because they do those

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different layers of, I don't
know, kind of being a bratty

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kid, but also lying, putting up
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they need to get a certain way
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When she talks to GAIL in the
hospital, it's very much like,

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oh, you know, like the last
moments of somebody shouldn't

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define ball.
Like she's literally reading a

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pamphlet.
She knows what she needs to do.

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But then that slow pull in when
she's leaving and her face

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slowly turns into how she's
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So good, so good, so good.
Yeah, I think Ellie just wants

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to move.
Like it's almost like the the

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face she's putting out there is
a face of being strong and

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moving on, but internally she's
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Yeah, she she goes and smells
Joel's clothes and she starts

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breaking down and then she hears
Dina and she has to, like, fix

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herself.
And she's like, oh, this is

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what?
They can't see me like this

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because her whole path.
And regardless of what she says

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during the town hall meeting, it
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She's lying.
You know, Jesse, when they're

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they're training and stuff like
that, Jesse's like, oh, you need

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to like, you know, you need to
plead your case, like write

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stuff down.
You need to like, think about

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this.
And she's like, OK, I'll do

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that.
She already knows her path.

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She 100% she's lying and GAIL is
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her.
Yeah, and I think for GAIL, GAIL

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is like, what am I going to do?
Holding her back?

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It's not going to change
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She she talks about the
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telling lies.
And but she's just like that

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kids, a liar.
Well, and she also, she Joel

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killed her husband.
We know that, how much anger she

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has with him.
And like, regardless of it being

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sad and, you know, Ellie had
nothing to do with that.

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From what we know, she's like,
I, I mean, yeah, kid, I'm sorry,

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but y'all, you 2 are the same.
You're very much the same.

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And also like, he killed my
husband.

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Yeah.
I like GAIL.

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Bye.
You could tell that GAIL, that

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GAIL is a really good
psychologist because she's very

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aware that she's an alcoholic.
She's just like talking to

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Tommy.
She's like, well, I'm an

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alcoholic.
That's how I'm dealing with

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things.
She's just like and that's my

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path that I find.
Imagine being like the only

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therapist.
I mean, not in the world right

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now, but maybe in an entire town
during apocalypse.

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I would drink too.
She said she's supposed to go to

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therapy herself to unload all
this nonsense, but all she has

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is the bottle.
All she does is go to a Little

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League game and then drink right
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I I thought we were in the past.
Every time I see an episode of

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the show, I'm so impressed by
Jackson.

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Like I was impressed that Dina
had a Tupperware and then they

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have a full baseball field for
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I was like, OK.
I did love the detail that their

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jerseys were clearly just
T-shirts with spray painted

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numbers on them.
And they all look different.

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Yeah, that I appreciated.
But yeah, I mean, we all deal

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with things differently, right?
You know, one thing that I

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thought was interesting was the
scene where Tommy is, we see

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Tommy kind of fixing up the town
and he's trying to put a post in

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the ground.
And then Jesse comes along and

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does it in like tooth wax,
right?

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So I was looking at that and
going like, does this mean that

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Tommy in his mind is like, well,
maybe it's time for me to step

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back?
Maybe I've been doing this for

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too long and there is strong
leadership here that could take

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my place.
Yeah, I mean, I can't.

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OK, Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler,
spoiler, spoiler.

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I'm going to wait, skip like 15
seconds, blah, blah, blah.

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Tommy does go on.
OK, Spoiler, you're gone.

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You skipped a little bit.
OK, Tommy does go on his own

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path of revenge.
So I think this is a a way, if

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they're going to do that, a way
for him to be like Jackson's

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taken care of and I can leave
and go do that.

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That makes sense.
OK, I got you.

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That's all I want to say with
that.

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Well, with Mr. Biceps at the
helm.

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Oh my gosh, Jesse.
Yeah, Jesse, I mean.

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I get it 100.
Percent that I I get why Dina's

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confused She's like put those
arms.

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He's like yeah, but yeah, I
think it is very much like Jesse

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is is pragmatic.
Jesse is somebody that like he

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sees his future as being a
leader of Jackson, being the

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president of Jackson, right.
And I think Jesse doesn't take

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over doing the post of like,
look, I got biceps and I'm

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strong and you're old.
I think he takes it of like.

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I got it, absolutely.
You know which I that's one of

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the reasons what I love about
Jesse so much is he is like that

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and you know, sometimes to a
fault, but I think he always has

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the best intentions.
But I very much that's a that's

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a good thing to bring up.
I think it's the transition of

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like, oh, Jackson itself is
going to change in some way and

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what does it look like the path
going forward?

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It's like they named this the
path for a reason, yeah.

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Before we get like kind of
moving away from Jackson a

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little bit, the scene
specifically in Joel's house,

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just to kind of go back a little
bit with Dina specifically.

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I really appreciated this
conversation and the kind of

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passing of like, I don't know,
not secrets, but like they

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almost have a pact that happens
in the scene.

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So Dina brings cookies as a
peace offering to be like, look,

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I help with the information.
I know all of their faces, their

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names and where they're from,
and even the the entity that

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they work for.
And she lied about it,

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rightfully so, from Tommy and
Ellie, because she knew they

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would go under it.
They needed to heal.

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And then it was also almost an
exchange between both of them,

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because I think Dina has an
understanding in the scene of

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like, Ellie is going to do
whatever she's going to do, and

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Dina's here with her.
And so them almost like sharing

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the cookies is like, we're in
this, yeah, we got this.

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Let me try to do it this way.
If not, we're going to go do it

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this way.
Yeah, I think that this scene

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shows how well Dina knows Ellie.
And, you know, we've only met

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Dina, but they've obviously
known each other for years at

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this point.
So these this scene really

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illustrates the fact that they
do have a bond and a friendship

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or maybe more.
And so Dina is able to really

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already know what Ellie's going
to do.

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She could see the steps Ellie's
going to take before she even

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takes them.
And so Ellie needs a person like

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this in her corner, someone that
is going to really think

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pragmatically about all the
steps that need to be taken.

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Because Ellie doesn't do that.
Ellie leaves before she looks.

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Well, Dina says on their trip to
Seattle.

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She's like, I'm the brains,
you're the brown.

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And it's very clear that that's
how it's going to go.

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Because Ellie is just like Joel.
He shoots 1st and asks for

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justification later.
Yeah, even in the scene later on

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when she finds Ellie packing for
the trip, it's just guns, you

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know, and like.
Maybe a little less grenades and

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more granola.
What about a blanket or a first

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aid kit or something like that?
Yeah, a first aid kit might be.

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A good, you know, just in case,
but Ellie's like, I got all my

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gun, let's go.
We're killing people.

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And so Deena very much is the
one that's able to take a step

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back and look at things and make
a list.

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We always need those people in
our lives.

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Speaking of, not Speaking of but
so when Ellie smells Joel's

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shirts and stuff, if I was to
pass, what would you smell like?

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What would be the thing you
would go to 1st to be like or

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keep be like?
This is the thing that smells

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like.
Oh, that smells like you.

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I was going to give it a dirty
answer.

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No.
I mean.

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Probably 1 of like this big
sweatshirts that you wear around

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the house.
And you're sweating all the

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time.
Yeah.

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Or make sure to extra sweat on
them just in case.

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Yeah, and the like matching
shorts set or something like

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that and I try to wear them, but
they'd be too small.

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You can't wear them, then it
would smell like you.

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OK, maybe I wanted our smells to
mingle for one last time.

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What would you wear of mine or
smell of mine?

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I wouldn't wear just went over
that.

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Probably your Spirited Away
shirt.

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I like that one and your
underwear.

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Yeah, that's what I was going to
say.

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I know those, the black and
white briefs, those are cute.

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Those are.
Cute.

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This is a family program.
No, no, no.

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OK, yeah, I was just curious.
I was like, I wonder what would

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happen.
That's what I'd really keep,

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yeah.
All right, so town hall meeting

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in this one of my favorite
scenes in this episode.

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I thought it was really a neat
look at different people in this

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community and what they're
thinking and also how their

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system of, of government works.
And I liked that they all had to

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vote in front of everybody, and
then they count them right

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there.
It's like, yeah, you can't lie.

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You can't break the system.
No.

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Yeah.
What did you make of this scene

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with all these different voices
kind of, I don't know, pleading

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their case?
I mean, I think that they are

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very much a democratic society
and we really see that in play

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here.
And I understand both sides of

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it.
You know, you can't help but put

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yourself in this situation and
wonder, well, what would I do?

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And I understand that one woman
that's like, well, I lost

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people.
You know, I know people that

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died in this.
Some people very close to me.

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I'm not looking to go out and
take revenge and have 16 of our

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strongest people leave when
we're still rebuilding and have,

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you know, weakness in our guard.
So I get that.

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But then there's a part of me
that's like, there's a

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difference between walkers, not
walkers.

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Oh my gosh, infected coming in
and killing US versus a group of

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humans who went out of their way
to torture and murder someone.

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So I would say let's compromise.
How about we send 8 instead of

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16?
Yeah.

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I mean, I think knowing what we
know at the end of this episode

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of the wolves being much bigger
and heavily armed than we

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thought they were, it doesn't
matter, like sending 16 or

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sending 2, you know.
So I think in the end it was

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going to play out.
I was going to play out anyway,

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but I very much did like that
that woman saying like, look, I

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like Joel, he was a nice guy,
but like, hello, like, are we

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going to, I don't know, get
revenge on anybody that gets

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wronged here?
So I think that she is like

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setting that precedent of like,
look, we have to think

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responsibly with this, but us as
viewers are like, no fucked up.

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Let's like go kill them.
Like we need to like get rid of

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them.
And then also we have that one

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guy that was like, look, this is
a cycle of violence.

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Like we need to like cut this
off.

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We need to show mercy.
That's what separates us.

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Also a great point.
And then we have fucking Seth.

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We're, you know, Ellie gives
their speech and it's great.

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It's fake as fuck and everybody
knows it.

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And GAIL clocks it.
She's like she was lying the

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whole time.
But Seth, when you have the only

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towns bigot in your corner, it's
like, oh, maybe let me rethink

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this a little bit.
He's like I agree with the F

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slurs it's so random.
You know, I have real pride in

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them.
It's just like this was an

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interesting turn for this
character, what are we supposed

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to take from it as the viewer?
Is he overcompensating?

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I mean, maybe he does have like
some weird like fetish with the

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revenge or something like that,
but I feel like he's like

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overcompensating in a way or
like, yo, I don't he I don't get

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out of here.
I don't care about him.

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Like, I like that Ellie was
still like this guy.

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Like, OK, I'll shake your hand.
Thank you for giving me my

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horse.
But I was like, OK, I don't

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care.
Like you just you're still an

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asshole.
Like it doesn't make it better.

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Yeah, I completely agree.
And I think that's the thing.

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It's it's, I don't even think
it's like a forgive and forget

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thing.
I think it's I don't forgive you

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and I'm not going to forget it,
but you're giving me what I want

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in this moment and that's all I
could ask for.

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Yeah, I'm going to use you as
much as I can.

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Yeah, yeah.
Let's talk about shimmer.

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Oh, shimmer.
Shimmer, so strong can hold two

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people at once.
Well, they're tiny little pocket

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sized people.
Oh my gosh, shimmer these.

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Are literal children.
And all the year, Shimmer's

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strong.
We love her.

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But.
So we go to Seattle.

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Yeah, that's fine.
Nothing is going to happen there

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but.
The final scene with Ellie

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stopping at Joel's grave and
giving the coffee beans.

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What I thought was weird is I
tried to think back if in any

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time in the show, Joel's love of
coffee was mentioned and I'm not

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sure it was.
I think maybe maybe in the

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episode, maybe survive and
endure with Sam and Henry, like

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when they get to that place and
he looks for coffee.

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I can't remember briefly.
Maybe in the games it's very

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much like a a dialogue thing
that keeps happening.

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Like any time they go into like
a convenience store or something

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is like, oh, I wonder if there's
coffee.

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Like he loves coffee.
So I did like that even I'm not

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sure it was mentioned in the
show, but just if people were

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confused and why coffee beans?
That's why I.

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Appreciate you explaining that
because if you don't remember

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it, you know, definitely, I
definitely don't remember it.

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And so I was going, you must
have loved coffee.

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I don't know, but OK.
I'm glad that came through.

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But I to me then it seems like a
nudge to the game players,

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right?
Of like, you know what this

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means?
It's her way of honoring him.

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Maybe it's something that they
had just the two of them.

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Yeah, it's funny too, because in
the game, when she goes to his

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grave, she just really touches
it.

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She touches the earth and
touches the the soil.

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So I liked it.
And this one, it was even more

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of a a game thing than even in
the game it was, you know, so I

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did like that little aspect, but
it's such a beautiful shot.

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I'm I'm curious if this is the
last we're going to see of

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Jackson in the show.
I guess it depends on how much

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story they're going to show in
Jackson because this, this all

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of this like does not really
happen in the game.

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We don't get this council.
We don't get these big long

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grieving periods because pretty
much most of the game is

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breathing and dealing with that.
It's like death, wake up, OK, we

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go there in Seattle.
So because it's a game, right,

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it has to move the action
forward.

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So I'm liking that because we're
having these two seasons of one

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game.
We get these moments like this

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to sit with them and to kind of
see how it all works.

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So not to not to spoil anything,
don't spoil anything, but is

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there like a moment in the
second game where you can see

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where they're going to end this
season of the show?

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No.
Oh, interesting.

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I have no.
I mean, maybe, maybe, but no.

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Just such a mystery.
Yeah, because there's there's a

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lot of like things that could
end it.

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But we're we're already in
Seattle.

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So I'm like.
They got there so fast.

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Yeah, I I think we had to,
right, because like that's the

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action that it has to like pick
up because we've had such like

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intense but somber episodes
really.

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So I think we need to get the
story moving a little bit.

446
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:21,280
And Abby wasn't in this at all.
So what is Abby doing?

447
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,240
What's Abby up to?
She's like bye.

448
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,680
She's.
Having a little party for for

449
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,400
three months?
What?

450
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,440
A jerk.
So, so on their journey to

451
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:34,000
Seattle, they come across this
sort of religious group that we

452
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,440
we see in a scene, we know that
they're running from something

453
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,840
and then they are all murdered.
They're massacred, basically.

454
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,560
And so this is the part where
you can tell that Ellie and Dina

455
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,320
really have no idea what's been
going on outside in the world.

456
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,440
So it, it's so weird because
they don't really tell you

457
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,960
anything about these people.
We, we hear a little bit of

458
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,640
their lore, obviously we see
that they have those marks on

459
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,600
their faces and there's
something about hammers, you

460
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,280
know, that's, I guess they just
use hammers to, to defend

461
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,120
themselves.
But it's, I was like, is this

462
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:10,920
some sort of Attack on Titan
crossover episode I wasn't aware

463
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,320
of because they are dressed like
Adam Jaeger.

464
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,560
It's wild.
Yeah, the the Seraphytes are

465
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,040
interesting.
So this is a group of cults,

466
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,920
like I can very easily, without
spoiling anything, their cult,

467
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,640
like they talk about profit.
They talk about, you know, the

468
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,600
best defense is distance, which
means like distance away from,

469
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,840
you know, whatever.
I think we can infer that the

470
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,080
wolves may have been hunting
them down.

471
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,520
There's a war between them.
I think what's important for

472
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,840
people to when they're watching
The Last of Us or we will see

473
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:47,600
more of is in the United States
specifically, there's a lot of

474
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,200
different factions and groups of
people that branched out of

475
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,520
ephedra.
And so the seraphytes are just

476
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,920
another branch of people that
grouped like kind of branched

477
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,560
off from something else or like
because of ephedra, people rose

478
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,320
up and the wolves they an
opposition ephedra.

479
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,920
So there's a lot of different
government or like religious or

480
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,640
whatever entities.
So you have groups of people

481
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,880
always fighting each other.
And so this is one of our first

482
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,600
instances of seeing that outside
of our characters.

483
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,080
And it's just happens to be like
a cult.

484
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,440
But I did like the the kind of
parallel between like Joel and

485
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,760
Sarah, Joel and Ellie with this
young girl and her father.

486
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,360
You know, we see that they all
have the glass go smiles and

487
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:33,440
they talk about a prophet.
So we know a little bit about

488
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,720
them, but they don't have any
technology.

489
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,360
So having bows and arrows and
hammers, I don't know how

490
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,320
effective that would be against
the tank, but obviously not very

491
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,680
effective, yeah.
It was really sad, and so I'm

492
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,800
interested to learn more of this
group.

493
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,960
Just personally in life, I'm
always interested in cults and

494
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:56,040
things like that.
So it's just so interesting that

495
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,040
even in a story of the end of
the world, there are still

496
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,240
groups of people fighting to
either be right or have power.

497
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,840
And it's like, we can never just
exist, right?

498
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,120
And so that's what this is all
leading up to, just more

499
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:16,040
fighting and seeing the power
that the wolves have is scary,

500
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,520
especially when we know it's
just these two people on a

501
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,480
horse.
Yeah, And I think that's, you

502
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,800
know, this episode was
interesting because it it, it

503
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,200
didn't remind us that these are
they're young, they're young

504
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,000
people.
And there's moments like in the

505
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,880
tent with very much like, will
they won't they?

506
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,720
Dana's still trying to figure
her stuff out.

507
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:37,160
Ellie is like, God, I love this
girl.

508
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,880
But like, come on, you know, So
we get moments like that where

509
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,200
it's like, it does feel like a,
and this isn't a dig or a

510
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,080
negative thing, but like Aya
story.

511
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,200
And then we're thrown back into
like, there's cults and there's

512
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,200
government agencies and there's
people killing each other.

513
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,200
And like, this is a story about
revenge.

514
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,120
So I think going forward, like
once we were like fully in

515
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:01,000
Seattle, the tone might change a
little bit, but I'm curious to

516
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,000
see like, you know, a lot of
stakes is on Bella Ramsey's

517
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,880
shoulders, like they they're
going to carry the show going

518
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,800
forward.
So what does that look like?

519
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,640
I'm, I think this episode kind
of sold me on their ability,

520
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,480
obviously, but having Dina there
really helps.

521
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,640
I think we needed that balance
of not just Ellie being like

522
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,400
super pissed off.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

523
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,880
Ken love Blossom in a world
where the soil is soaked with

524
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,920
blood.
I guess we'll see.

525
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,960
We will see, you know, and I,
and there's like a part of me

526
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,240
that feels like, how can these
two really take down this whole

527
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,360
thing?
And I mean, I, I fully believe

528
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,960
in them, but I, I, I'm almost
like, are there going to be

529
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,760
these moments where the infected
kind of almost work with them in

530
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,440
a way to take down this huge
militia?

531
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,440
You know, and it's also to think
about like, these were some

532
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,840
pristine military vehicles that
they had.

533
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,560
So this isn't like them, you
know, fixing up some old rusted

534
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,080
junk.
I mean, this is like really good

535
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,000
weaponry.
Yeah, yeah, these people are,

536
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,320
they're very well equipped.
And that's what that scene was

537
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,400
trying to show us.
Like, oh, no, like this is what

538
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,600
they're walking into.
They have no idea what they're

539
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,840
walking into.
And I don't know what they think

540
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,160
they think it was going to be,
but they're not prepared for

541
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,160
this.
No way.

542
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:27,000
And it's going to be a wild ride
to see how they even begin to

543
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,400
find Abby.
Like how do you find in a in a

544
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,560
huge American city like Seattle
with this entire military?

545
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,360
Like good luck, girls.
And the fact that, you know, we

546
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,760
even see in this with Danny
Ramirez's character that they

547
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,040
have posts they have watched,
they're always watching, so.

548
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,320
Apparently not good enough
because they didn't see.

549
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,400
That's true.
But you know, in this episode it

550
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,800
looks like they're going
underground.

551
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,640
That's going to be scary.
Tight quarters and darkness.

552
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,160
Last thing I want to say the
tent scene.

553
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,520
How did you feel about Dean
being like you're gay?

554
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,400
I'm not.
I said, girl, I think you're a

555
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,800
little queer yourself.
She's very much still figuring

556
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,640
it out, which I think is cute
and we're seeing that.

557
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,760
But like, you know, video game
me because at this point they've

558
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,360
already like they've already
bumped, you know, and like I

559
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,480
just I, I, I need them to get
there.

560
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,040
She's like, how would you rate
my kids?

561
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,360
You want to try again?
No.

562
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,520
It's very like high school.
Yes, totally.

563
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,600
That's what I'm saying.
It was like, like you're saying

564
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,000
it's like, will this just be a
teen drama?

565
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,840
And then obviously it won't be.
Yeah, I Ellie giving it a six.

566
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,520
Come on.
She's playing games.

567
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,840
Come on, she's playing.
Games girl.

568
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:48,960
She's like, let's try again.
OK, yeah, so I guess until next

569
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,960
week.
I'm hoping next week isn't as

570
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,480
sad and we're really trying to
make these episodes not like I

571
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,800
cried.
What about you?

572
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,680
Yeah, we want more murder.
Let's go.

573
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,160
Well.
We have, we have Doctor Who

574
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,160
episode 4 coming out on Saturday
and then you know, you'll see us

575
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,400
for the next Last of Us one.
It's not the Last of Us.

576
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,960
OK.
On that note, goodbye.