The Last of Us Season 2 Episode 4 Review | HBO

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Don't like looking around.
I really like the vibe of this

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place.
I like the boxes, I like the

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ammo, and I definitely like the
intestinal chandeliers.

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A lot to offer here, You guys
are doing a great job.

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Hi everyone, welcome to the
design Show.

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I'm Derek.
That's Noah.

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Just kidding, this is a bite up
and we're talking about The Last

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of Us Season 2 Episode 4.
Oh, it's 4/4.

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I don't know why I skipped ahead
an Episode I.

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Just thought you were waving
magically.

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No, I was going to do that, but
whatever.

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Ignore a finger.
Oh, we're in Seattle.

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Fully.
Ignore a finger.

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Ignore a finger that I've never
said that to him before.

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This is this is rated RI, think
NC 17.

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But somewhere in Seattle for the
first time, First full day in

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Seattle.
We have a lot to talk about

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before we get into it.
As always, make sure you're

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Following.

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You can see our pretty faces on
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you prefer.
Or if you just want to listen to

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our sultry voices, talk about
fingers and decor.

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Keep on doing what you're doing.
I have a very sultry voice.

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OK, yeah, spoilers ahead.
We OK?

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I have officially I'm going to
try to save game spoilers for

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the end.
If it's very if I just can't, if

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I can't, if I just got to get it
out, I will double spoil it,

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right?
I will put sirens.

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I will put stuff on the screen.
You will know another spoiler

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for the game is coming, but
general blanket spoiler for the

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show of The Last of Us.
I think that was very fair, very

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fair.
Spoilers OK.

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Let us officially take a bite of
The Last of Us Season 2 Episode

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4, Day One, written by Neil
Druckman and directed by Kate

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Herron.
A new enemy peers in appears in

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the form of Isaac, the leader of
the WLF.

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Seattle leaves Elie and Dina
with a less than positive first

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impression as they realize they
have walked into the middle of a

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war.
Infected are woken, secrets are

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shared, and love is made.
Woke Wow.

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That's right.
Woke Seattle.

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They have rainbows.
That's the truth.

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That's the truth.
All right, So what did you

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think?
Oh, off the top of my noodle.

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I feel like it was a better
episode than last week.

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I still like last week.
I'm liking the progression we're

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getting.
This episode very much was like,

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there are secrets that both of
our main characters at the

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moment have, and it was a way
for them to finally get them off

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of their chests in whatever way.
I like that a lot, and I like

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that we're still getting the
same beats of their relationship

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from the game, just kind of in a
different way.

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Like it's just showing it and
the things that are happening

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are just happening differently,
but they're at the same point, I

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would say, in the game.
So that does make me very happy

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and we got to see one of my
favorite favorite like scenes

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from the entire game series in
this episode.

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So I'm, I'm, I'm quite happy
with what we got all.

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Right, All right.
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I think that this episode really
did a lot to further our plot

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along.
We are so solidly with Ellie and

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Dina now that I feel like this
is season 2, you know, and

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really the, the feeling of it
being like the game.

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I, I mean, I've watched you play
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Just the scenes of them chatting
when they're walk, when they're

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on shimmer.
It just feels so much like

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you're watching a live action
version of the game at this

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point.
And I think, you know, we have a

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brand new enemy here.
And so that leads to a lot of

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nervous feelings going forward.
Yeah, I think a good place to

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start for this episode is maybe
to talk about Isaac, just

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because there's a lot of Isaac
in this episode that I don't

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think I was expecting this.
They do a really good job with

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dialogue in literal dialogue,
and also just how a conversation

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plays out with the camera.
When we see Isaac in the past

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for the first time, they
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I really like.
So we get to see inside this

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federal truck, right?
And there's Josh Peck, of all

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people.
Hi, obviously seems like the the

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popular guy in this group or
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And then we have the the green
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along and kind of just be with
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And when it finally reveals
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that was excellent story to
telling one hiding him because

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people fans of the game know who
he is, but also just Jeffrey

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Wright just seeing him show up
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But we can.
We love to see him.

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But just that deafening silence
whenever they asked, like, what

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voter means?
Like, why do we call him voter?

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And then Jeffrey Wright telling
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their right to vote.
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Yeah, it's interesting.
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Isaac, well, first of all, like
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is just an incredible actor.
He can kind of do anything.

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And so to have him appear in
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He brings such a solidity to
this character and immediately

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commands the attention of
everyone, both the cast and the

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viewer of the show.
He just has such presence on

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screen and I think the moment
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listening to him.
And So what he does, that's

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really interesting, I think
really shows who this character

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is going to become of he's
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Federal soldiers, but he
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back at the banter, pushing back
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And so I think that really sets
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And I mean, yeah, I think he
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also feels like he is already
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do.
And so he's just over it, right?

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This episode does a good job and
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There's there's two things that
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that like I like, but also are
worrying is we see, we see

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Isaac, the whole point of this
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leaving Phedra because he's fed
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wolves, right?
And then then later lead the

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wolves and everything.
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he felt like Phedra was being
oppressive to the people, but

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now and being violent and
everything to the people.

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And now we see the wolves doing
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the Seraphytes, the Scars, but
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the same thing to them.
So as we've talked about in

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this, this journey now for
season 2 is very much about the

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cycle of violence.
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Joel's cycle of violence led to
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But being in this, so we're
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of violence almost and had it
only worries me that like, is it

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going to be played out a little
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the same cycle happen And I
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whenever they get to the Abbey
stuff in the alley, stuff

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forward to feel a little
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like, OK, we've been kind of
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So that that does worry me.
I have high hopes.

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It's a theme, but like we're
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So when we have like a whole
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So how long is this going to be
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Yes, we as humans are very
flawed and continue to do the

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same things over and over again.
Well, it's all about tribalism,

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right?
Yeah, that's what this entire

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like that's the infected aren't
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It's the tribalism that humans
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And, you know, there's part of
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just one city, right?
So it's like things like this

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could be playing out all over
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And so instead of coming
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of course we're going to be
fighting and pushing our own

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beliefs on to other groups of
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But you know, I do wonder, you
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going to be, there is another
season, there is going to be a

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season 3 and yet we only have
the two games to pull from.

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It does seem like they are going
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these things a little more.
So, you know, having this

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introduction of this Hanrahan
character who is played by Ilana

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Yubach, who if you don't know,
it's just like an incredible

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actor.
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Like, I've loved Ilana Yubach
since she was on Beekman's

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World, which was like ages and
ages and ages ago.

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But and she's just done stellar
work throughout her whole

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career, popping up all over the
place.

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But, you know, I feel like we're
going to have to dig into that,

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right?
So it feels like he's joining

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forces with this person.
But then when we meet him sort

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of in the present timeline, he's
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What happened to Hanrahan?
Is she gone?

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You know, did he kill her?
Did he double cross her?

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Like he double crossed the
federal agents?

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So, you know, I just think that
this kind of secondary cycle of

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violence is really to pad the
season to fulfill, you know,

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extra plot points.
Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, we, we have gotten, I
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episodes, we've gotten like the
whole first episode and then

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like really the episode after
Joel's death, like those don't

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exist in the games.
So as long as they keep doing

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that, we'll be fine.
Just see these similar themes

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that are going on because we
also, we got it in the town hall

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as well.
We got, you know, just seeing

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how, like, communities and
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what it means to go after
justice, what it means to get

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revenge and everything.
So it's like, I don't know, it

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just seemed a little
heavy-handed on that.

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So I wish we would just have a
little more like, I don't know,

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like, let's just see how it
plays out instead of being like,

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guys, by the way, like we're on
this path of revenge.

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Yeah.
We all want to freaking get

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justice for Pietro Pascal not
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Totally.
Yeah, I mean it.

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Maybe it's just to show how evil
and despicable he is, right?

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Yeah, yeah.
But we see it on both sides,

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right?
And I think this episode did a

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good job of showing Isaac being
absolutely terrifying when we

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finally see who he's talking to
in that kitchen and it's a

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Seraphight member, just
completely nude, obviously been

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tortured and beat up.
And the conversations that they

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have is is showing that, right?
They say the same exact things

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to each other.
They one says you kill kids, one

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says you harm kids.
It's the same thing, but they're

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saying it to each other on just
different sides of the fence.

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And it, I think it is
frustrating for us as, as as a

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viewer, it's just being like,
stop it.

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Like just get along.
I know, but it it almost seems

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like we want that, but Dang,
that's not reality, is it?

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And so it's just this horrible
conversation.

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You're right again, it's another
cycle.

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It's saying the same thing back
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I guess the question is, how
long are we going to have to sit

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in all this?
Like, are we going to have to

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keep watching this back and
forth and back and forth between

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the wolves and the Seraphytes
and then just just throw Ellie

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and Dina in there just for fun?
Yes, yeah.

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I mean, well, because this is,
we're seeing what Ellie and Dina

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are walking into.
They have their own mission.

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Abby set out on her own mission,
but there's communities and

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there is unfortunately also just
war happening between these two.

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And that's what they're walking
into, yeah.

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I think that was a question I
had at the beginning of the

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season is like, you know, the
first season really felt geared

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towards bringing this young
person who is immune to this to

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find a cure.
But now that seems like that's

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not an option anymore.
So what is this world?

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Guess it's just.
Well, now we're seeing strife,

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right?
But I, I think now we're seeing

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the world and I think what they
did originally in the game and

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in the show, and it was just the
story in general, what the

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beautiful thing that they did
was that they showed the

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beginning of it and they showed
you, oh, there's hope, like

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somebody's immune.
And then when we don't get to

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get that, then what does this
story hold?

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That's like, oh, now we actually
get to know about the world, the

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greater world, because we didn't
really get to see too much of it

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in the first game and in the
first season.

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So now that we're seeing it,
it's, it sucks, no.

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Yeah, but incredibly brutal.
But I really liked the scene in

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this kitchen.
You know, we have Isaac's

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character talking about the the
pans that he wanted, but you

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know, he finally got them just
and not the way he probably

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wanted.
But then to see the Seraphight

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person just completely be overly
like, Nope, I'm ride or die with

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my cause and with the prophet
and everything that they say,

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like you were not going to be
able to get this out of me.

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You can burn me.
And then when he turned around,

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he already had his hand up.
I was like, oh, shit, yeah, OK.

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Like, that was badass.
It was hard as fuck, but it was

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awesome.
Yeah, and and that scene, it

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really feels like you're more on
the Seraphytes side, right?

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And and kind of they seem like
they have kind of taken a step

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back from what's normal in
society in the sense of like

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they're just using bows and bows
and arrows and simple things

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like that.
Whereas like this is just AWLF

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is just a military.
Yeah, I'm excited for you to see

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more of these two groups.
I I will not talk about them

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outside of what we see in the
show because I think it's a

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disservice to even tell you
because you haven't seen it.

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I'm not going to spoil it for
you and I'm not going to spoil

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it for you, but I like how
they're interpreting these

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characters on TV and what we're
seeing.

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But Speaking of, I guess the
threats, you're right.

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So we have Isaac we saw in the
past in the present.

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I love when the show does that,
when it shows like kind of

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rewinds a little bit to then
show you how it is in the

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present or like what led to that
moment.

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I think they do a very strong
past and present in this series.

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But so we're in Seattle, right?
And we get the title card,

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Seattle day one, which is very
much it's literally from the

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game.
Like you go into Seattle, it's

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Seattle day one and every day it
shows that title card.

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So I'm curious if in the next
couple episodes if it's going to

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say day 2, day three.
So what do you think about

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Seattle and how how it looks and
how it feels and the dangers

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that they walk into?
Yeah, well, Seattle is a mess

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for sure.
And I think that, I mean, that's

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obviously an understatement.
And one of the interesting

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things is that these two groups
are existing in this city but

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are on polar opposite ends of
everything.

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And, you know, when Ellie and
Dina are kind of running through

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the city, it, it's so
interesting to me that WLF has

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this whole place mapped out,
right?

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They know where each crack and
crevice leads to.

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And while it looks so lush and
green and beautiful on the

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outside, it seems like really on
the inside it's a hell hole and

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a trap.
Yeah, I liked there's specific

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moments in this episode that are
pulled verbatim from the game

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when they go and see that tank
and the whole conversation with

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the astronauts and everything
and seeing the pride flags and

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all of that.
That's literally from the game.

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And I love that they kept the
small little moments in there

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because those in between moments
in the game of those action

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sequences or when you learn more
about those characters, when you

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actually get to feel for those
characters and that playing,

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that's playing the same, I guess
role and specific need in the

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show as well.
And so we get to see like, oh,

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when did Ellie learn about
space?

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Like when did she learn about
that?

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Maybe we'll find out, but it's
showing that like, they are very

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much invested in each other and
learning about it.

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You can kind of see the scars,
not just from the bombing from

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when the infection started, but
just with the wolves and

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Federer.
And then we got to see the scars

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and wolves.
So it's like there's a lot, a

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lot of history here.
And again, these girls are just,

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they're not, they're in over
their heads, I think.

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And it's only going to get worse
from here.

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I mean, they're two people,
right?

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And they're young, and although
they have spirit, that can only

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get you so far.
And I really am worried for them

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here.
But along the lines of what you

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were saying about kind of like
when they learned about certain

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things, I was actually surprised
that they didn't realize what

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the rainbow flags were for.
Especially when you have Seth,

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you know, using hate language,
you would wish that there was

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like, someone teaching them
about pride and about coming

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together.
But I guess in the apocalypse

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you can only focus on so much.
Yeah, this, this series has an

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interesting relationship with
queerness.

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You know, in the first season we
got the Bill and Frank episode.

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We got to see these two men that
are very much men and probably

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weren't able to show who they
really loved or act on that.

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And they found each other and
we're able to live this long,

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beautiful life.
And then we also find out in

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this episode that like Dina had
talked to her mother, I believe

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she said, and she's like, I like
girls and boys.

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And her mother was very much
like you like boys.

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So it's very much like her
bisexuality was being erased

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from her and that's what she
saw.

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And we have Seth, we have
bigotry and we have homophobia

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in here.
But like, there's no gay person

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like having pride anywhere.
That's what I'm saying.

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Like there's no pride month in
like in Jackson, there's.

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Got to be an LGBT center at
least.

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Something.
Yeah.

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So it is sad in thinking that
maybe they just haven't had

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time.
Maybe, like, there is hardly any

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queer people.
It's nice that these two queer

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people have found each other.
But you know, what does that

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say?
Maybe a society isn't at the

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moment of like, let's celebrate
things yet or let's talk about

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these things.
Who knows what else?

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They're not being told.
But I don't know.

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It is.
It is kind of sad when they're

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like, oh, oh, there goes happy
rainbow town.

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Like now we're in the shed.
Like, no, that's for you.

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You should know about that.
Yeah.

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But I mean, as we've been
saying, looking at society as a

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whole, what what The Last of Us
is showing us is that we just go

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down to primal nonsense.
Yeah, and Speaking of both of

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them having each other, both of
them have secrets that they're

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keeping from each other.
That thing that I was talking

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about, my favorite scene from
the entire series, there's two,

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and they both just happen to
have a guitar in them.

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We still haven't seen one of
them, but Ellie playing take on

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me for Dina pulled directly from
the game.

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I love that we got to sit with
this moment.

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We got to hear Bella Ramsey sing
the entire song.

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I think it was just absolutely
beautiful.

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I would be lying if I didn't say
I was teary and I was on the

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verge of crying just because
it's just so beautiful that you

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have, again, all this
terribleness.

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But then we're sitting with
these two characters and Oh my

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God.
Like Dina, the Izzy's acting in

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this particular scene is telling
so much without literally saying

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anything.
We know after watching it, she

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had the secret, but also we can
see that this is the moment that

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she's like, this is my person,
like this is the person I want

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to be with.
But she's also able to just be

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in this moment, you know, and
and so is Ellie.

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Ellie's being able to express
herself in this way that she's

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very visibly not just going into
the square in Jackson and

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playing with the guitar.
So like, how often is she

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playing this?
And then, sorry, layer on the

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cake, right?
This is just such a beautiful

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way to remind us and have a
memory of Joel in this.

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And she even asked, did Joel
teach you that?

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And he's like, yeah, yeah, it's
he's a pretty good teacher.

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It's just, oh, it's there's so
much, there's so many layers and

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it's so emotional.
And I think they just nailed it

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in the scene.
It honestly looked a much more

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beautiful in the show than it
did in the game.

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And they both look great.
The flowers just just amazing.

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Yeah, it's a it's it's an
absolutely beautiful scene.

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And I think that it allows us
all to kind of collectively take

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a breath and enjoy the
relationship before Mayhem

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begins.
And so having this moment of

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connection between the two of
them where they've kind of been

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go, go, go the entire time,
allowing them to kind of just

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sit in this moment and be with
each other.

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And like you said, Izzy's
acting, I thought in this entire

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episode was really phenomenal.
She is just so emotional.

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And with just the way she is
able to communicate those

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emotions sets with her with just
with her eyes, you know, there's

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such power in that.
And the scene is just really

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gorgeous.
And I love that, you know, Bella

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is truly playing the guitar and
singing and really bringing just

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that vulnerability to this
moment, Especially for Ellie,

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who is so guarded and so
forceful.

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It's it's really a nice scene.
And also just to see like a

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guitar that was shielded from
the bombing and from the

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elements and but still perfectly
preserved just for her in this

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moment is I hope she goes back
for it.

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I I will say my 1 hiccup for
this episode was that there were

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way too many guitars still in
that place.

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They're all.
Shit though, what about the

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looting?
You know what I mean?

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People would have grabbed all
that stuff in the end.

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Absolutely.
I would have bought just the one

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kind of in the in the case
still, but you know, that's just

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a minor Derek thing that I see.
I don't care.

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We got the scene because of it,
so.

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No, the one guitar could have
still been there.

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It was just all the other
guitars were.

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Yeah, it's fine.
All right.

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So kind of going to the end of
this episode, we get a they did

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really did not lie about there's
just more infected in this

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season.
Even though we're not getting

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them, I think a lot throughout
these episodes, we're getting a

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lot of them in like big
sequences.

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So this whole scene where
they're running from the wolves,

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we get to see, as you mentioned
at the top of this episode, the

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intestinal chandelier of these
wolf people that the Seraphites

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have put up there.
This entire episode did such a

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good job of like, oh, what did
Dina see in the pharmacy that

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like we didn't get to see?
So there's just this like

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mystery building.
And then on top of that, this

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tension just builds and builds
and builds of them fighting

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these both people getting out
and trying to escape from them,

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hiding constantly for a good
chunk of this episode.

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And then a swarm of infected
going through the train that

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sideways on top of it in through
it, through the windows.

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It's just, it's so good.
It's so freaking fantastic that

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they were able to just build
this massive set piece for this,

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Yeah.
These infected roots that are

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now running through the country
are really just messing things

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up for everyone.
And so it's almost like this

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carelessness of just moving
through your environment,

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they're not even aware of it.
And that's what happened in

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Jackson, and now that's what's
happening here in Seattle.

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And so to see the wolf's kind of
set this off.

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I did feel happy that, you know,
Dina and and Ellie had the upper

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hand in this moment.
You know, where they stopped,

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They listened.
And you know, Dina's counting,

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but it goes up from more than
just the five on her hand.

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This is all I have.
Yeah, she's like, that's it.

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And so this scene, it's like I
felt like I needed this scene,

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especially between last episode
and this episode.

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It's like while I'm here for the
human drama, at the end of it,

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you know, it's a zombie story in
a way, right?

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So I want the infected.
I want that mindless hunger.

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That's where it gets scary.
And that tension of them going

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through the cars of the train.
I was on the edge of my seat and

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I really loved it.
I loved feeling that again.

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Yeah, they did a really good job
of just building and building

448
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,520
and building on top of that.
Even just with, you know, you

449
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,000
think they escaped the infected
and then it's like the wolves

450
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,360
are there or or vice versa.
And it's just it's just such a

451
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,920
good showcase of again, what the
show has to offer.

452
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,080
I love that shot of when Ellie
closes the car door and the

453
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,840
clicker is right there.
Just just great.

454
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,680
Just fantastic work all around
for everybody.

455
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,520
And then we get to kind of the
ending of this episode and Ellie

456
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,280
gets bit.
She will literally, you know,

457
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,760
sacrifice her arm for Dina.
That turnstile scene that I did

458
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,680
not like that.
I, I don't like, I don't like

459
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,760
going to those turnstiles
outside of the apocalypse.

460
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,240
I always think that, you know,
in the city where you see that,

461
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,840
like, there's that bar that will
stop it from going the other

462
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:58,920
way.
I'm like, I'm going to die.

463
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,080
Like, there's no way I would
possibly die.

464
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,160
But like, if I don't get out of
this, somebody's just going to

465
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:03,840
keep pushing me.
Oh.

466
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,120
Yeah, you never know.
You get turned into spaghetti.

467
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:08,200
During rush hour.
Oh yeah, it's brutal.

468
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,280
You got to be quick.
Yeah, you got to be quick.

469
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,480
Yeah.
So seeing Dina, like, not being

470
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,720
able to push it in that that
runner coming right up to her.

471
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,440
And then Ellie put in her arm,
which good job, Ellie was just

472
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:20,960
fantastic.
And then I'm getting smushed.

473
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,120
That's me.
That's me.

474
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:24,560
Smooshed.
Yeah, smooshed.

475
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:30,000
But then we have this, like,
really heightened moment of Dina

476
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,800
having to do the thing, the
worst thing that I think she

477
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,880
would ever have to do in this
moment, right?

478
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,480
Like, oh, I joked about shooting
you in the face, but now I am

479
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:41,680
actually going to have to do
this.

480
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,960
Like I'm pregnant one.
I'm way far away from home and

481
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,480
now I have to kill the person
that I love.

482
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,280
So having that parallel, if
having such a beautiful moment

483
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,920
would take on me to then having
to shoot her in the face is just

484
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,760
awful.
But I liked that they kind of

485
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,360
peppered in some humor with it
with her waking up going like

486
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,080
with the water.
I'm like, really no sudden

487
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,360
movements, but they both lay it
out there, right?

488
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,440
Ellie finally can tell her that
she's immune.

489
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,480
Dina finally says that she's
pregnant.

490
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,040
And then they bump.
They've they finally get to

491
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,560
bump.
What did you think about like

492
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:26,200
this kind of high tension then
ending in them having sex?

493
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,800
I mean, I love the poetry of it,
of this high tension of them

494
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,360
running away, almost dying, Dina
thinking she's losing her only

495
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,280
ally in this moment to then
being OK.

496
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,200
All the secrets are out.
I did not see Dina being

497
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,800
pregnant coming at all.
That completely got me.

498
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,400
I was like, you know, sexually
active.

499
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,640
What's happening?
What else are they going to do?

500
00:25:51,040 --> 00:26:02,120
True, not learn about pride, but
I I I like this crescendo moment

501
00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,440
of them finally being able to
release all the tension drop,

502
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:14,520
you know, all of the can I
finish drop all these pretenses

503
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,880
that they've had up and just
finally just lay it all out

504
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,680
there.
Yeah, it all sounded very

505
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,200
sexual, but I'm all made sense.
It's called metaphors.

506
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,560
No, but I, I, I appreciated
that, but I just was like so

507
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,880
confused with like how it kind
of became insta love in a way.

508
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,640
And they're like, well, we're
getting married and we're

509
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,200
raising the baby together and
that's just the end of the

510
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,360
story.
Like that felt a little fast to

511
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:40,120
me.
Well.

512
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,600
Yeah, You know how I had
mentioned I think in the last

513
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,840
episode, I'm like, oh, by this
moment, they're kind of like

514
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,200
already a thing.
They've already bumped, which is

515
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,560
why I said that again, they they
go to the library in the the

516
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,360
episode or the part where Joel
does die, it's Dina and Ellie

517
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:59,840
that are traveling instead of
Jesse and they go to the library

518
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,360
and then that's where they hook
up, right?

519
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,320
And they kind of become a thing
there.

520
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,280
So they're at the same point
now, but it's like it was just

521
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,000
shifted around a little
differently.

522
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,280
I don't know if it was as
effective.

523
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,120
Again, I liked it.
I'm fully invested in their

524
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,080
relationship.
I think they both have done a

525
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,440
great job of carrying this show
so far.

526
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:24,920
It was just a little jarring
with like how high tension it

527
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,040
was just building and building.
And I'm not too sure like

528
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,960
personally, them hooking up was
like the release of that tension

529
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,000
that I was expecting or wanted.
But then again, I don't know

530
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:39,640
where they could have went
because what happened in the

531
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,120
last episode, it almost ends the
same way of just both of them

532
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,600
staring off into the distance,
which I'm like, OK, it's like

533
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,320
it's ending the same way the
last one did.

534
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,280
So I guess what I'm saying is
like, where are the emotional, I

535
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,960
guess, consequences of like, the
stuff that happened in the

536
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,600
episode leading up to that
moment?

537
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,080
I get that they get to release
that, but I don't know, it's

538
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,640
like, OK, now they're at the
same place.

539
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,680
They just, like, love each other
openly.

540
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,360
Yeah.
Does that make sense?

541
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,480
Like, I'm.
I don't hate it.

542
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,160
I'm just more of like, OK, like,
sure.

543
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,360
But was that OK?
I guess?

544
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,280
Where else would they put?
It I just think we needed more

545
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,960
time.
They needed more time, you know,

546
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:23,520
not even necessarily the the
sex, having sex with each other,

547
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,280
but just like how we told each
other our secrets, we had sex

548
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,560
and that means we're in love and
spending the rest of our lives

549
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,200
together.
Well, I think they were already

550
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,680
like that.
They were already ride and die

551
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,680
obviously, but I think with them
openly being that way.

552
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,360
Ride or die, Yeah, yeah, you're
like, they're riding and dying.

553
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:48,520
Well, well, yes, but yeah, I
guess that's the right way to

554
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,040
say that.
Oh my God, I've been saying that

555
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,600
wrong this my whole life.
They're writing and dying.

556
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,280
The more you know.
But they will.

557
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,720
I think they've always been that
way.

558
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,200
Maybe it just was in the show's
detriment that it didn't show it

559
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,760
that well or wasn't that
apparent.

560
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,520
But that's the feeling I got
because I believe they did say

561
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,720
even just going to Seattle, like
both of them were like, yeah,

562
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,720
I'm, I'm in this with you.
And I think that they both don't

563
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,680
care how far they're going to go
as long as they do it together.

564
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,680
Because Ellie is worried.
She's like, you're pregnant now

565
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,840
with Jesse's kid, Like you got
to go back and she's like, no,

566
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,880
I'm I'm going to do this with
you.

567
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,920
And they're.
OK, Yeah, Yeah.

568
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,120
And there was a moment in this
episode where they have kind of

569
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,520
like, have a mini conversation
of like, you know, if something

570
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,160
happens, they kind of look at
each other and they're like, you

571
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,200
know, what to do.
Yeah, right.

572
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,440
And so there is that mentality.
Again, it's the world that they

573
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,880
live in, so I guess it would it
be safer for Dina just to turn

574
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,160
around.
Also, by the way, Shimmer, I

575
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,520
hope they go back and get
Shimmer because he's just

576
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,200
hanging out in that music store.
There is a lot of grass there

577
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,520
for shimmer so.
Well, how are they going to get

578
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,840
back?
I don't know.

579
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,000
They went down through a subway
and came back up.

580
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,280
Where's Shimmer?
I don't know.

581
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,680
They're just so shimmer's in the
music store.

582
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,600
They the the the intestinal
chandelier was at ATV station

583
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,240
and they are now in like a giant
theater.

584
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,880
So I don't know the map.
I don't know Seattle.

585
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,600
We need Dina's map, Yeah, and
then we can figure it out.

586
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,000
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess,
yeah, I guess we'll see if

587
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,240
shimmer, it just finds their
way.

588
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,920
Because in the game, what's
funny about the game is that if

589
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,200
you get off a shimmer to go like
explore a building or something,

590
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,640
shimmer just kind of like
Mosey's kind of where you are.

591
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,480
So if you come out a different
way, Shimmer's just like hi

592
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,520
guys.
So if they do that in the next

593
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,960
episode, I'd be very happy
because that's really funny.

594
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,760
Personally, I'm happy that
Shimmer is in a shelter with

595
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,920
plenty of grass and is safe for
the moment so that I like.

596
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:49,520
Right.
That I like.

597
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,520
Well, they wouldn't go out of
the way to kill a horse, you

598
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,120
know what I mean?
Infected would.

599
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,080
OK, so yeah, never mind.
Yeah, I'm glad that Shimmer is

600
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,560
in safety.
I'm like, the humans would just

601
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,480
steal Shimmer.
They're like a cool horse.

602
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,280
But yeah, I guess infected would
eat them if there's no they.

603
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,600
Sure would.
Humans.

604
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,320
OK.
Yeah.

605
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,400
So yeah.
I think so.

606
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,640
I think as far as plot is
concerned, this move things

607
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,200
along, but I think with some of
the relationship stuff, it moves

608
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,360
it along too quickly.
That's just my own personal

609
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,520
thing, but I'm scared of Isaac
and let's leave it.

610
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,440
At that, yeah, I think they had
to I agree with you.

611
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,840
I think that there was some
moments, again, I, I don't mean

612
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,840
to harp on the the library thing
when I just kind of said they

613
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,640
cut out the library, but I guess
they had to move their

614
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,280
relationship up and this was the
best time to do it, Honestly,

615
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,200
sooner better than later, you
know?

616
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,800
But yeah, I'm very excited.
I again, this whole cast, I

617
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:51,520
think Oscar Isaac, Oscar Isaac,
Oh my God, Jeffrey Wright.

618
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,440
His name's Isaac.
So I don't know.

619
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,360
Jeffrey Wright is the only voice
actor from the show to come in

620
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,600
and play the character that they
voiced because he voiced Isaac

621
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,200
in the game.
We have other people like Astley

622
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,440
Johnson and Troy Baker and
stuff.

623
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,840
They came back as other
characters.

624
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,120
Same thing with the the woman
that voiced Abby.

625
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,200
So I think he's the only one
that came back.

626
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,160
Very cool.
Also HBO loves him so makes

627
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,360
sense.
And I love him, yeah.

628
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,880
We do.
OK, so see you very soon for

629
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,200
Doctor Who.
If you've been following us with

630
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,040
that, that's episode 5 or just
next week.

631
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,400
If you're just following our
Last of Us episodes, Episode 5

632
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400
next week.
All right, let us know what you

633
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,040
thought of episode 4 and we'll
see you on the next one.

634
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,880
Almost done.
Goodbye.