'Captain America: Brave New World' Movie Review | Marvel Studios

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How brave, how new, How world.
I'm Derek, That's Noah, and

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we'll be answering all of these
questions and more on this

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episode of Abidev when we
discuss Captain America.

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Brave new world.
I think they're valid questions.

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Or is that how we're going to
just categorize this movie and

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the review of how brave it is,
how new IT is and how worldly it

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is?
I.

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Think so?
OK, yeah, not worldly world.

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Oh, just how world it is,
whatever that means.

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We will figure it out when this
all right, so we have our first

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MCU movie of the year.
We have two more this year and

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obviously my excitement meter is
just going to go up and up and

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up from here.
So I'm very excited to talk

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about this because it's a it's a
movie that a lot of people are

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are are discussing at the
moment.

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I.
Thought you were just going to

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be like, it's a movie that
happened.

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And a guy was a guy.
Yeah, in this movie.

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The captain was America.
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So spoilers ahead for Captain
America Brave New World, the 4th

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entry for Cap.
All right, so let us officially

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take a bite of Captain America,
Brave New World, directed by

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Julius Ona and written by Rob
Edwards, Malcolm Spelman, and

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Dalan Moussan.
In the midst of world powers

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brokering and agreement for the
adamantium resources birth from

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the Celestial Island, Captain
America must work to keep the

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peace.
As the soldiers go rogue and

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take aim on President Thaddeus
Ross, however, a villain lurks

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in the background, toiling away,
forcing Ross to see red.

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What did you think of this false
installment, Mr. Noah?

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So I don't think every movie
needs to be huge event.

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I think that there needs to be
movies that are, I just sit

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there with my popcorn and I'm
enjoying what's going on.

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The MCU is different.
I feel just in perception,

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right?
It's connecting universe.

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Is it going to connect to this?
How is it going to drive the MCU

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forward?
How is it going to push this

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character forward?
So there's a lot of things going

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against any MCU movie as soon as
it releases this movie.

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I feel like it was nice to not
really manner speaking, worry

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about the multiverse, right?
We went kind of back down to a

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smaller issue scope.
Earth, I would say had the

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potential to be great.
I think it's good.

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I don't think it's amazing.
And I if we're going to say

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like, OK, these are 4 Captain
America movies.

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This one, it's starting its own
new thing because Sam Wilson is

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Captain America now.
So I liked it.

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Felt like a Falcon and Winter
Soldier continuation, but I

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wanted a little more.
I wanted to go further with some

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of the stuff.
Yeah.

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I think that's baseline how I'm
feeling.

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We'll get into it, but baseline?
Yeah, you, you kind of took the

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words out of my mouth as I was
really thinking about this.

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What I boiled it all down to was
it felt small, right?

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It felt like the stakes were
kind of small.

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The cast was small, the just
world players, the world effects

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felt small and I think when
you're used to those big showy

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pieces, right, this can feel
small in comparison.

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Basically, and I think it does,
and I'm not saying it is 2

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thumbs down worst thing I've
ever seen.

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I was delightfully entertained.
I thought there were some good

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action spots.
I thought there were spots that

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could have been better, but
overall I left it going like,

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OK, that was pretty solid.
Yeah, I, I so getting into some

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general thoughts aside, as far
as the movie itself, we, if

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you've been following it, which
I feel like it's almost a

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detriment sometimes.
This movie has gone through some

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retooling, some cuts and
everything like that.

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It's kind of par for the course
now.

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I feel like, especially in the
MCU again, it's connecting a lot

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of things.
Things change.

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We're getting Robert Downey
Junior back as Doom.

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Things are changing right?
So this movie, I feel like with

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the the retooling and
restructuring it, it felt solid,

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but there are some moments where
it's like, oh, the character

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doesn't make sense to be here.
Oh, that's weird that this

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character's in here.
What happened to the storyline?

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What happened to this?
So it it's it's an interesting

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experience knowing that going
into it.

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I wish I didn't.
So I feel like that that's only

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that's like on my fault for
knowing that information.

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How?
Dare you have the knowledge in

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passing, after we left the
theater, you were pointing out

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some things of like, you know,
Thaddeus Ross is a Hulk

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character.
Betty is Hulk's ex, the I guess

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for he's not known as the
Leader, but you know, that

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character coming back, also a
Hulk character.

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And then when I looked into this
new character, Ruth Batzeroff,

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she also first appeared in a
Hulk comic.

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So it's so interesting that this
is almost a Hulk movie, but

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without the Hulk.
Yeah, I, I think there are parts

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of it with everything, with
Isaiah Bradley, with Falcon,

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even with Bucky and Sam, it
feels like a Captain America

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movie.
And then every other moving part

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in this is a Incredible Hulk
sequel.

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I don't mind that.
I I feel like characters should

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be able to intertwine their
storylines, but I feel like

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because there was no, I don't
know really, no Captain America

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villain in there.
Like a Sam Wilson villain.

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I should say President fine,
he's going to be turning into

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the Hulk.
It's not until the end of the

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movie.
I wish we didn't know about it.

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But other than that, it's like,
OK, Sidewinder is a good

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antagonist for him.
The the Serpents, the Serpent

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society, all of that.
He was just a middle man, right?

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So it's interesting when you
kind of look outside of the

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scope of it and it's like, oh,
it's kind of weird that Hulk

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wasn't involved.
Like what does he think?

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Because Betty is there, Thaddeus
Ross, there's a Red Hulk

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rampaging.
So it's when I think there was a

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moment towards the end of the
fight, I can't remember who says

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it, maybe it was Agent Taylor.
The they tell Sam in the fight

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with Hulk, he's like, oh,
backups on the way.

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And I thought it was going to be
Bruce.

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It wasn't.
So I was like, OK.

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Yeah, and I think because there
are so many moving parts now

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with the entire all the phases
and the multiverses and

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everything, you know, I was
trying to go like, well, I know

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at some point Bruce goes to
space because at the end of She

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Hulk, he comes back with his son
and I'm like, is he in space at

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this point in time?
When is this taking place in the

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timeline of the MCU right now?
Yeah, I believe it's 2027.

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I don't know, like, and that's
great, but I don't know, I don't

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know what that means as far as
the answer to the Hulk, because

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I I agree.
It was kind of like someone has

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to come.
And you know, I think what's

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always exciting about these
movies in general is that you're

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always looking to see when
another Avenger is going to pop

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up, right?
And so I was hoping for that

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where where is the other Avenger
that's going to come and, and

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help, you know, Sam, Captain
America with this issue, But

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they never really came.
Yeah, I mean, I I do feel like

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we've gotten especially with
Captain America movie because

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Civil War is like an Avengers
light movie T so and even Winter

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Soldier, right?
It had Bucky and Natasha had

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Zola came back and how are all
these other characters?

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And this one did have a lot of
characters, but I I get what

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you're meaning.
Like it's like, OK, we're still

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in new territory and we got
Bucky, a surprise cameo of Bucky

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in here.
And that was really it.

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And I'm not saying that makes or
breaks it for me, but it is

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interesting to have this
character that really didn't

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have any stakes in these
villains and things from 17

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years ago be the one that's
confronting this.

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I think that is interesting.
And I'm almost curious of what

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the initial thoughts for the
movie or the plan was going to

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be.
That's that's where my gears are

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turning outside of that.
So one of the big things in this

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movie is that Thunderbolt Ross
goes to Sam and is like, I want

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you to redo The Avengers.
I want you to bring The Avengers

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back.
You're going to be the leader of

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them.
And Sam very, you know, I guess

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cautiously is like, what if we
don't agree on stuff because the

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Segovia accords everything that
happened with that.

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So what do you feel about this
aspect of Sam even at the end of

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this wanting to do The Avengers?
So we have Sam going to do The

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Avengers.
We have Thunderbolts AKA Dark

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Avengers coming.
We have Young Avengers or

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Champions, whatever they're
going to call it, Fantastic

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Four.
Like we have a lot of teams

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going on.
So are you excited for like and

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what does that look like I.
Guess 100% because I guess I am

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a person when it comes to these
storylines.

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I want to know how they're all
going to fit together, right?

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So you brought up Bucky before.
And so we see Bucky in this for

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maybe 5 minutes.
He comes in, he gives Sam a pep

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talk, and then he leaves again.
And I'm thinking, but wait a

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minute, I just saw the preview
for Thunderbolts, and he's in

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Thunderbolts.
And.

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But now they're telling us that
he's running to be a

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congressperson.
I'm like, OK, so I don't know

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where the timeline of this is,
but having this thought of Sam,

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will you put The Avengers back
together again?

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Makes me feel better because I'm
going, oh, all right, we're

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working towards the new Avenger
movies, right?

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That's what we want because we
know they're coming, but how is

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it going to happen?
And if this movie does nothing

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else but you know, really well,
I, I feel like obviously it's

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really situating Sam as Captain
America now.

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And now it's helping us get
towards the new Avenger movies

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that are going to be coming out.
So I'm excited for that seed to

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be planted in this film.
We always knew it was coming.

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It's interesting to see how.
And I like that outside of the

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government interference, that
Sam is like, maybe we should get

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the adventures back together.
So I like that he has that plan

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in motion.
And then just to take a step

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back, the Bucky cameo, which I
loved and you know, he had told

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them that he loves them and then
didn't tell it back anyway.

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So he is running to be a
congressman, which I find very

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fascinating for the character.
Maybe it's one of those things

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of like there is no Avenger, so
how is he going to help the

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country?
Maybe run it in some type of way

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or makes decisions.
I'm assuming that whenever

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Thunderbolts picks up because
from the trailers we've seen for

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Thunderbolts, a very much as
he's putting that team together.

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So I don't know if he's already
won or he's still running, but

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it's going to be an interesting
campaign of being like, I have

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all of these criminals on the
team with me, but vote for me.

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He's he's the rogue congressman.
You know, he can put on his

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leather jacket and ride his bike
into the sunset.

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People are like, yeah, Bucky
vote Bucky, which I would

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probably vote for him too.
Yeah, the hair.

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Sebastian Stan.
I mean, come on.

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Yeah, a Romanian Prince.
So going into the more into the

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nitty gritty of this movie, how
did you feel about Sidewinder?

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How did you feel about the
Leader?

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How did you feel about Ross?
Like the antagonist slash

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villains of this movie.
I thought that again.

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I felt like no one really made
me scared, right?

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So the stakes weren't there.
Right.

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The stakes weren't there for me.
It was like, like you said,

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Sidewinder was there in the
beginning, you know, being

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really mean to some people in
Mexico for some reason.

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And then he kind of just they,
they capture him and that's it.

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He gives them some Intel and
that's about it.

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So it wasn't like he was really
an antagonist throughout the

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entire film.
He was the antagonist for like

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the first bumper, you know what
I mean?

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And then after that, he was just
an informant in a way.

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As far as the leader, again, the
thing about the leader that's

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interesting is that, yes, he
looks unsettling, but his powers

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aren't very scary because he's
telling you about math equations

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that he's done.
You know, he's like, I've seen

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the percentages and it's like,
you know, other than him being

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able to, you know, brainwash
people through their phones and

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stuff like that and music.
With the same song?

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Yeah.
Come on, guys.

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What?
If it's just playing on the

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radio, yeah.
What if they're just listening

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to serious oldies station?
But and then as far as Thaddeus

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Ross, I thought this was an
interesting arc for the

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character, right?
He's obviously, he shaved his

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mustache.
He is now Harrison Ford and he

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has gone through some anger
management, right, Which

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obviously hasn't fully worked
because he's been doing some

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dirty deeds with the leader.
What did you think about the

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villains?
I mean I think all of them, they

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didn't phone it in.
Every single person gave 100%.

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I think specifically Harrison
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time.
Tim Blake Nelson, I think as the

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leader, he did OK.
The the character of the leader

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was odd to me as well.
Like to your point, he talks

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about all these probabilities
and everything like that.

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And it's very like Doctor
Strange.

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Like I saw how many futures and
this is the right one.

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And it's like, OK, fine.
Like, but I don't really know

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what your plan is here.
Like, OK, you're getting back at

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Thunderbolt, Ross.
Yeah, it was more just a

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personal vendetta than anything.
Which is fine, I I get that, but

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it it it's odd like it didn't
again feel like, OK, what does

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this have to do with Sam?
He just happens to be in the

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middle of this.
Let's I need a little more from

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the leader.
He's like a big villain,

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especially with the Hulk.
I did like his design.

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So originally his design was
going to look more like the

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comics where he just has a
really long head because he has

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a big brain.
But in this one, I liked that it

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was a little more of a mutation
as opposed to just like an

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extended version of his head.
So I'm not mad at that.

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I like that a lot.
I just needed a little more.

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What did you think of the
relationship that he had with

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Ross?
I I liked it.

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I mean, again, it's a
continuation of Incredible Hulk

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'cause he got fucked over, Mr.
Blue got fucked over by Ross.

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So it was this long game of him
helping Thaddeus, but then he

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turned it over on him.
Fine, OK.

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It's just it was a weird time, I
guess.

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It's like weird timing.
It's like it's been how long and

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you've just been there.
OK, he's just been toiling away

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in that.
Underground Lab, I really liked

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Sidewinder.
Giancarlo I think did a

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fantastic job and again, I just
feel like he was wasted a little

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bit.
I thought he was going to be in

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and a lot more.
I hope that he's going to

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continue to be a thorn in Sam's
side because that could be fun.

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So like I heard them say the
word serpent once or twice but

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it was never really explained
who they were.

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Yeah, I mean, that's how I feel
like a lot of this movie was

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like the big thing that this
movie promised was Red Hulk

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adamantium.
That was the things that it kept

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showing in the trailers.
Unfortunately, we knew when the

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Hulk was going to transform, so
we're kind of expecting that.

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And then the adamantium being in
the Celestial from Celestial

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Island.
I thought that whole action

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sequence was phenomenal.
Those are the things like those

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are the moments from Falcon and
Winter Soldier that I really,

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really, really liked.
And I'm glad that they

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transferred it over to this.
But unfortunately, the whole

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movie didn't feel like that,
right?

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I loved those sequences.
I think having the adamantium

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come from the celestial that was
coming out of the Earth, we

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finally got mention of it.
I know there's been how many

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movies since the Eternals?
We got it finally.

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My question though, is what does
that mean going forward?

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So we had the US and Japan,
which makes sense fighting over

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this.
So we got we can get Silver

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Samurai, we can get Lady Death
Strike.

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But what does that mean going
forward?

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Like so are they going to do
weapon X IE meaning.

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Wolverine.
Right or not?

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Right.
I feel like adamantium is so

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synonymous with Wolverine.
It's right.

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It's like to, to have this word
out in the world, that's what

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you first think of.
That's the correlation between

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them.
So it feels that way.

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But then in the back of my mind,
I'm like, I'm like, well, Monica

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Rambo is in another X-Men
universe right now.

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So it's just so interesting of
where this is all.

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Going my if I had a theory, I
don't think it's they could do a

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weapon X thing.
But again, we're almost up

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against a running clock here
because we know Secret Wars and

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we know Doomsday are coming out.
We know that it's going to

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reset, slash, smash a bunch of
things together, birthing the

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mutants, bringing the mutants
here in some form or fashion.

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So I'm not thinking that it's
going to directly relate to the

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X-Men in some way in our current
Earth, but I think it might have

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something to do with stopping
either Doom or Doom needs that

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material to build something like
it's a material at this moment

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and it's a resource.
So what would that mean going

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forward, right?
They wouldn't introduce it now

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if it didn't have a big thing
going forward.

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So I don't know.
That's my.

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Thought there's a such thing as
and this might be like

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sacrilegious as the MCU being
too big.

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No, I just think there's been a
lot of reworking these last two

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ish phases ever since End Game.
You know, I think they had a

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plan of what they wanted to do
and then actors and

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controversies and just things
change.

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And so I think reworking it and
some of the stuff feeling like

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multiverse, some of it not
feeling like it getting new

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characters, but they're not
seeing them for years.

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I get it.
It can feel a little confusing.

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I think going forward, maybe
Thunderbolts maybe.

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But I think Fantastic Four is
really going to give us the OK.

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I'm seeing really where this is
going, right?

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And I think they just needed to
kind of wrap up.

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Not wrap up, but really get Sam
in there because if he's going

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to lead The Avengers, they kind
of need him back in the fold.

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Totally.
Yeah, You know, I wanted to talk

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a little bit about the new
character in this and sort of

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the returning new character as
well.

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So in Ruth and Joaquin, right,
So with Ruth Betzeroth, who I'm

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calling Lil Widow, right,
because.

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Little pocket sized, yeah.
Just a little pocket sized

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widow, because we learned that
she was part of the Black Widow

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program, right?
And so we see like she sort of

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has a little bit of a costume,
but she doesn't have much to

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play in this.
And, you know, I think that

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speaks to what you brought up
about having to rework things

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because of things that are going
on in the world.

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And so it was just unfortunate
that this character was

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introduced and then kind of
didn't get to do anything.

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I you know, stuff with this, I
think I think they would have

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been better off not even doing
this.

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You know, there there's
something with these movies and

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shows and stuff where like
people that are creating things,

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there's like a like a hat that
there's these characters that

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are sitting there that they can
use and another hat of like you

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can't use characters from this.
And I think Sabra, who is this

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character's name was in this and
they're like, oh, let's just use

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that.
And where the, her being part of

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the Red Room and not actually a
mutant and stuff, where that

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decision was made, we'll never
know the behind the scenes

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stuff.
I honestly think they should

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have never included her in this
movie.

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I think it's silly.
She has no business being in

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this movie.
They could have added any other

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widow that we might know or just
a Taskmaster could easily have

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been in it.
You know, I, it's just it, it

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was a weird choice to then
specifically have a shot where

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we see her in her suit of some
sort and then nothing.

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Nothing.
It's like guys like.

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You really didn't.
Like, you didn't need to include

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her.
You could have done anything

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else or even just had Agent
Taylor, who I would have loved

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to maybe be a love interest for
Sam.

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Because there's moments where it
felt like that where I was like,

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oh, like, they seem like they
want to like, get to know each

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other a little more to like,
just have Agent Taylor in that

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role, you know, like, she
didn't.

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She was pointless.
Yeah.

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That's my thought, yeah.
It was definitely a bummer just

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because I always love a strong
female character and so.

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Just bad choice.
Yeah, it just.

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Unfortunately didn't work out
however.

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I think personally, I think
fortunately it didn't work out.

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That's what I think.
Like, I think that they should

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like, just the character itself,
like, guys, yeah, like be a

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little more thoughtful of what
you're including and not

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including this.
Sure.

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Especially with like a
geopolitical thing.

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I don't know.
That's me all right.

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Fair.
But I do think that the return

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of Joaquin Torres, as you know,
our our new Falcon, I think we

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could firmly say that was a
delight love.

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I think that he played a really
good sort of newbie to Sam's

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veteran and that dynamic worked
really well for them.

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He's showing them the ropes.
He's showing him.

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He's training him in a sense of
how to fly, how to use the

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wings, how to be Falcon without
actually telling him that he's

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doing that.
And I like this pair together

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because I think Sam is, you
know, he's very strong willed.

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I think he's very tough and he's
always kind of moving forward in

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a militant way, you know?
And I think Joaquin added a

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little more fun and a dash of
more zaniness to to the

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relationship.
Yeah, I, it's always interesting

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to see 'cause we got the, we got
the Steve and Bucky dynamic, we

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got the Steve and Sam dynamic,
we got the Bucky and Sam

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dynamic, we got all of those
three.

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And then now they're adding
another kind of partner in this.

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And so it's always interesting
to see how that's going to work

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because we really didn't get to
see too much of it in Falcon and

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Winter Soldier.
So this one, I was hoping for

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more.
We got some of those moments

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where it's like, OK, they've
grown in their relationship of

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some sort.
I wanted a little more because I

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was enjoying everything we saw.
I actually really enjoyed

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Isaiah, Joaquin and Sam
together.

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I, I really liked those 3
together.

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Eli was sadly not included in
this, which I thought was very

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odd, but I liked it.
And again, I think that goes

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back to my just my main critique
of this movie of like they

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didn't go far enough with some
of the stuff.

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They didn't give enough of the
elements that could really work.

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It was just kind of like, oh,
this, this thing, there's this

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thing we need to move to this
thing and this thing and that

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kind of goes along with Danny as
well.

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Danny Ramirez's character.
I liked it, but I don't think

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they needed to really injure him
to get him out of that fight,

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you know, So it's like it's,
it's a little weird, but.

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But he's new to the wings, Noah.
He doesn't know what he's doing.

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Has he not been training for
three years?

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He's been lightly training every
so often.

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No, it's fine.
I think it's just more of a like

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a selfish thing to me.
Like I liked it and I wanted

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more of that, especially that
Celestial Island fight.

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Yeah, yeah.
I think where this movie really

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shown and really sparkled was in
those aerial fights.

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I mean, those were kick ass,
especially with Sam's, you know,

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Captain's new wings from
Wakanda, right?

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That can like pulse out this
crazy Sonic blast.

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Like that was just fire.
I thought that that

446
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,760
choreography, I thought those
effects looked so good and were

447
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,480
so effective.
Yeah, I I will say though, I did

448
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,960
think some of the hand to hand
combat was a little lacking.

449
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,920
Yeah, I mean, I guess it goes
back to, again, this movie kind

450
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,040
of feeling a little wonky in
some ways.

451
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,400
It was like, there's really
strong moments here, but then

452
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:26,600
like some similar moments are
like, not as strong, you know?

453
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,120
It it that's unfortunate,
because I think Winter Soldier

454
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:34,320
is one of a lot of people's in
their top five, rightfully so.

455
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,200
It's great film through and
through, all the way from start

456
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,680
to finish, how it was made and
everything.

457
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,720
And I think a lot of people,
especially when it comes to

458
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,560
Captain America, that's what
we're expecting.

459
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,520
We're expecting kind of this
like political thriller.

460
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,800
We're expecting excellent hand
to hand combat.

461
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,240
And unfortunately, like not
every movie is going to live up

462
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,720
to that.
So like expectations are a

463
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,760
little wonky.
But it was it, it stuttered a

464
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,880
little bit with that.
And same thing with dialogue.

465
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,120
Like I think the writing and
some of the choreography was a

466
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,160
little, it was a little odd.
It was, it didn't ruin it.

467
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,360
It was just more of like, oh,
this feels like a weird 80s

468
00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:08,320
action movie.
Predictable, right?

469
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,960
In some senses, some of the some
of the lines that they said felt

470
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,360
almost stuck, like very much
like, what are you doing here?

471
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,880
You know, kind of like these
things.

472
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,400
I was told to.
Yeah, Why?

473
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,480
Why are you asking me that?
You, you knew I was going to be

474
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,760
here, you know, So it just felt
like something.

475
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,840
Yeah, it it did.
I like that.

476
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,800
A comparison of like an 80s cop
procedural or something like

477
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,360
that.
It was like, we're going into

478
00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:33,600
the lair.
Watch out.

479
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,080
Yeah, I back to his suit.
I really like it.

480
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,120
I'm I'm kind of hoping maybe
he'll get because he got broken,

481
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,600
maybe he'll get like an
adamantium suit.

482
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,640
I don't know how that would
work, but that could be cool.

483
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:47,840
I wanted a little more of the
Wakanda tech being used.

484
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,320
That would have been really
neat.

485
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,840
He only used it at the very end
to, you know, knockout Red Hulk.

486
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,880
What did you think about how he
defeated Thaddeus?

487
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,280
I mean, granted, Daddy a line in
this movie is Thaddeus is like,

488
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,520
can he change?
Can he be a change man?

489
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,600
So like I'm glad it didn't come
to like one of them had to die.

490
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,040
But how did you think about like
the Sun's getting real low

491
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,880
defeating the Hulk?
I have been in therapy for

492
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,160
almost three years, steadily in
my life.

493
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,440
I believe in therapy.
I believe in mental Wellness.

494
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:30,600
I don't think someone's Red Hulk
rage is going to be acquiesced

495
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,960
by Captain America going think
about Betty.

496
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,640
It's always Betty.
Always Betty.

497
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,480
I mean, the fight was good, but
I think you really hit the nail

498
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,040
on the head and the thing of we
knew when the Red Hulk was

499
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,080
coming, right?
So there's a part when they're

500
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,200
on a boat and the leaders really
trying to get him to become Red

501
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,960
Hulk.
But we're sitting there going,

502
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,360
we know it happens at the White
House, right?

503
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,120
You know, it's so it's almost
like the detriment of a trailer.

504
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,360
Well, it to me what it feels
like.

505
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:02,080
And again, I don't, I don't want
to like keep like harping on the

506
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,120
production and like things that
we knew and it changed because

507
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:08,680
even in the trailers, there's a
funeral scene that they continue

508
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,440
to show even this year that we
never got to see.

509
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,720
So part of me feels like almost
like, was Ross supposed to die

510
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,800
initially?
Like was that what was going to

511
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,800
happen?
And then I guess the message

512
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,240
would be like, what would it be
like for the black Captain

513
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,000
America to kill the sitting
president of the United, You

514
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,720
know what I mean?
So it's like maybe they retold

515
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,320
that.
But Barnaby feels like the

516
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,040
reaction that they got at Comic
Con for like Harrison Ford as

517
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,920
Red Hulk.
It was such a big and good

518
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,560
reaction that they're like, OK,
let's just like keep showing

519
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,080
that.
Let's keep doing that.

520
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,040
And then it was almost this
thing of like, well, we know

521
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,440
when it happens and it's like
end of third, the third act.

522
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,400
So this is an interesting pay
off to wait this long for it.

523
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,760
It was effective, but again, I
wanted more.

524
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,520
Yeah.
Totally because if you think

525
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,160
about it though, like if right a
trailer is supposed to get you

526
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,720
excited.
Although I mean those aerial

527
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,160
fights were awesome, but how you
can't show the entire aerial

528
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,440
fight and the only really other
huge action set is at the end of

529
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,960
the movie.
It is it is odd to like give the

530
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,520
end of the movie away in that
aspect, because I feel like

531
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,880
almost like like if your dad, I
highly doubt your dad has

532
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,520
probably seen the trailers for
this.

533
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,520
And I feel like if he was to go
and see this movie, he would be

534
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,840
like.
Whoa.

535
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,400
Yeah.
That dude came out of nowhere.

536
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,320
Yeah, but like, you know what I
mean?

537
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,280
And like, it's Harrison Ford.
So like that would have been a

538
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,000
cool surprise, you know?
So that kind of sucks.

539
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,960
But again, like I know we've
kind of like picked this movie

540
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,920
apart a little bit.
Again, that's kind of what we're

541
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,120
doing, right?
Other than that, like other than

542
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:47,880
the the things that we're
talking about, the things that

543
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,480
really again worked was Sam
Wilson as Captain America.

544
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,880
I think this movie again, cement
cities Captain America.

545
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,480
I don't think that we really
needed more of like him still

546
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,880
feeling like he's not Cap
because that's what the entire

547
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,160
Falcon and Winter Soldier show
was about.

548
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,800
It was nice to see the public
accept him like in the beginning

549
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,400
was like it's all me Cap.
That's fantastic, right.

550
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,840
The government hadn't really
caught up to that fine, but that

551
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,920
really worked for me.
His relationship with other

552
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,600
people really worked.
I think Harrison Ford as

553
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,120
Thunderbolt Ross.
Amazing.

554
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,160
Amazing.
Yeah, I'm excited.

555
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,880
I'm excited to see where he goes
from here.

556
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,040
Yeah, I want.
To see who the new Avengers are

557
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,760
going to be.
Who would you put on The

558
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,320
Avengers of everybody that we
have alive right now?

559
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,480
So many, but you know this.
Is where?

560
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,600
It gets complicated, though,
right?

561
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,480
Because I'm like, oh, I want
Kate Bishop on there.

562
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,280
I'm like, but no, she's going to
be Young Avengers, you know?

563
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,600
And it's like.
Let's have adults.

564
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,600
She's an adult.
She's in college, Sam.

565
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,800
Right, Joaquin?
Let's get Bucky back.

566
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,040
How about some Monica Rambo?
Wherever she is, bring her back.

567
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,800
That would be cool.
How about some She Hulk?

568
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,240
And right, you know, I it's so
funny.

569
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,800
I don't I don't really know
exactly know why they can't

570
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,760
really do a Hulk sequel and
stuff like that.

571
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,720
And like they kind of have to
keep doing these sneaky ways of

572
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,720
doing it.
But like just like to think of

573
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,120
like if she Hulk Hulk Red like
all of these characters into

574
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,760
one, I would love to see Mark
Ruffalo Bruce slash Hulk

575
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,240
interact with Liv Tyler's Betty
Ross.

576
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,480
Like I would love that.
I'm just like very.

577
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,960
Excited.
I mean, I think that's that's

578
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,120
that's the thing we should
really be focusing on for the

579
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,480
fact that Liv Tyler was back.
Yeah.

580
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,520
I mean was she even on set or
did she just phone and.

581
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,600
I don't know it.
It did feel a little bit like

582
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,640
the Kim Cattrall and just like
that cameo where she was nowhere

583
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,040
near anybody else.
Which is fine.

584
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,560
It's fine, Yeah.
I mean, as I think the

585
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,640
possibilities at the moment for
The Avengers team is we know

586
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,960
who's probably going to be in
it, right.

587
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,560
It's like Doctor Strange, Shang
Chi, Captain Marvel, Captain Mum

588
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,080
Row.
Oh, maybe not even Doctor

589
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,880
Strange because he went off with
with Cleo.

590
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,280
Yeah, I don't know.
Never mind.

591
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,960
Let's bring Shang Chi back.
Where's Shang Chi?

592
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,200
I don't know.
OK.

593
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,840
All I will say is that they are
all coming back.

594
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,400
They all have to come back for
the big Avengers movies.

595
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,720
If it's not in Doomsday, it's
going to be in Secret Wars.

596
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,920
So I don't know, maybe we'll see
all of them.

597
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,680
So final thoughts, Go see it.
Go see it versus off.

598
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,280
It's a good time.
I think it's a good movie.

599
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,160
It's not life changing, it's not
a big event movie.

600
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,480
It's fun.
It addresses some things that we

601
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,200
haven't had answers on in
sometimes a decade or like four

602
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,840
years.
So that's just go see it.

603
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,560
Yeah, I agree.
I again, I thought it was

604
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,120
entertaining.
I thought that it moved our

605
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,120
Avengers timeline along, which
we desperately needed.

606
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,360
It finally brought back the
Celestial Island, which we all

607
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,040
wanted to know about.
And I just love to seeing the

608
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,720
new Falcon get to spread his
wings.

609
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,040
And if they really want to like,
mix things up and do something

610
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,560
new, give me like a origin story
of Isaiah Bradley.

611
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,080
Give me that.
Because also Carl Lumbee.

612
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,120
Oh my, every time he was in this
movie.

613
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,000
Sold.
Yeah, that was, I mean, if we

614
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,640
think about it, that was really
the, I think the emotional part

615
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,160
of this movie was him being a
political pawn once again being

616
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,440
used by someone unfairly and
treated unfairly and being

617
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,440
imprisoned.
And also like script wise, it's

618
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,960
it's kind of fucked up for Sam
to like go to Isaiah and be

619
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,880
like, come on, let's go to the
White House, let's go to the

620
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,200
president.
It's like dude, like I think he

621
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,800
could say no.
Yeah, yeah.

622
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,360
Like, and the the part where
like he was getting arrested and

623
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,720
he's like, watch my suit.
And I'm like, these are like the

624
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,240
emotional moments that you're
like that not that you want to

625
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,400
happen, but like, those are the
things that really speak to

626
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,640
people when they're watching the
movie.

627
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,800
And again, I just wanted more
more of that kind of thing.

628
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,440
Yeah, but more Isaiah Bradley.
That would be fire.

629
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,000
I want him to get his own super
suit.

630
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,680
Oh, Isaiah.
Yeah, that would be cool.

631
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,680
That'd be fire.
All right, so till next time.

632
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,680
Till next time, folks.
Goodbye, goodbye.