FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS Movie Review | Marvel

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Welcome to a Bite of I'm Derek.
That's Noah.

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And today we are ecstatically
talking about the Fantastic Four

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First Steps.
Oh man, OK, did that hype it up?

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But this was the movie I've been
looking forward to for a long,

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long, long, long, long time.
Before we get into everything,

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it's going to be a spoiler
fields review.

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We're going to discuss the
movie.

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So if you have not seen it,
please go watch it.

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I think now they added like
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So anyway, exciting stuff.
So spoilers ahead.

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Big earth shattering warning or
heralding this episode with a

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spoiler warning.
So yeah.

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Let us officially take a bite of
the Fantastic Four first Steps,

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written by Josh Friedman, Ian
Springer, Eric Pearson and Jeff

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Kaplan, and of course, directed
by Matt Shackman.

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Four years after the fateful
flight that gave them powers,

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the Fantastic Four are regarded
as heroes who protect, educate,

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entertain and lead.
The family have much to

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celebrate with the announcement
that Sue and Reed are expecting,

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but when an unexpected visitor
covered in Chrome heralds the

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world's destruction, the quartet
jump into action, but soon learn

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that saving the planet may come
at too high a price.

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And it sure did.
OK, so before we get into

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general thoughts, I need to ask
you a question.

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Oh God, what is it like to see
your favorite actor playing your

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favorite character from your
favorite franchise?

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I don't know, because like, I,
yeah, I mean, I as anybody knows

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me knows I love Pedro Pascal and
I'm never going to be on the

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bandwagon that is feels like
he's overexposed.

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I feel like he's underexposed.
OK, He can be in everything, he

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said.
Pants.

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Off expose him.
No pants.

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I it was a weird experience
because I think, and this is

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going to go into general
thoughts, right?

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I, I think going into this
movie, I tried my hardest not to

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have my expectations so high
because we've seen fan forstick

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the two movies prior from fox.
They're fine.

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They have their moments, but
they're not good, right?

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I had such high hopes for this
and they exceeded my

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expectations in a lot of ways.
And then some ways I'm like, so

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maybe this is just baby steps to
get to some of the stuff that

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I'm really looking forward to.
But I, it was a, it was an

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emotional experience.
I would say.

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I, I was, I left the theater, I
think kind of speechless almost.

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I was carrying this Galactus
head out and I was just like,

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that happened.
We live in a world now where

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Fantastic Four was done right.
And I don't know, I'm just, I'm

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just happy about it, yeah.
It was delightful to watch you

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experience that.
I think me on the other hand, I

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hated it.
No, I'm kidding me on the other

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hand, I went in with and
everything.

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I went in with no expectations,
just kind of seeing what it

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would become and I thoroughly
enjoyed it.

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I think that it the style of it
looked fantastic.

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I thought that the themes were
really great.

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I love these 4 characters set
kind of in this timeline of the

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MCU that isn't this crazy other
timeline that we've been

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watching for how many, what do
they call them cycles series?

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No.
Oh, phases, phases.

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There you go.
We're 37 movies in to the MCU

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and you didn't know faces.
I don't know, it's too much.

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It's too much.
So it, I felt like it was a

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breath of fresh air as far as
Marvel is concerned.

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And I and I really, really like
that.

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And so, you know, at the, the
lead of this entire film.

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Well, actually it's interesting,
right?

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Because we have our 4 main
characters and I think that we

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all see Reed as the lead.
Did you feel like Reed was the

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lead?
Yeah, but also, no, I, I I think

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he, he Co parented the lead a
little bit with Sue for sure.

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And I really liked the
characterizations that they went

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with for these characters
because we're where the movie

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picks up is we don't get an
origin.

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I love that, you know, it's,
it's a really interesting

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feeling having a Superman movie
that did this and a Fantastic

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Four movie.
We've gotten iterations of these

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characters before.
This is like the fourth attempt

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that Marvel has, or just anybody
has tried to do the Fantastic

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Four.
So we know their origins, right?

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They go up into space, get hit
with cosmic rays, which whatever

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that means, and come back with
the powers.

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And so the rest is history,
right?

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So I love the movie starting off
that way, but I was really

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curious how they were going to
interpret them and what that

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dynamic was going to be like.
And I think they did a good job.

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I think that there was some
surprises with Johnny Storm.

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I was like, are they just going
to make him like a hot head like

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Chris Evans and like just a fuck
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No, he actually had character in
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Reed, while he is the leader, it
very much seemed like Sue was

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the more public facing leader,
right?

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She was the head of the the face
of the Future Foundation.

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She gave that amazing speech
with everybody.

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So I I liked the position that
they put Reed in.

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I think, like with Pedro being
this huge star, it could have

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been very much a Pedro Pascal
movie and I'm glad they reeled

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it in a little bit and gave
everybody else a moment.

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Yeah, I definitely see that.
And I liked, I like what you're

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saying as well about not needing
to literally see their first

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steps as these characters,
because that's what so many of

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these Marvel films and just
superhero films in general have

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been.
And so it's so interesting when

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we already know these characters
right, where they've been around

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for decades at this point.
It's like, we get it, we know.

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So to be able to see them kind
of already strong in their

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position and being so widely
respected, I think was really

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nice.
And I also think that they did a

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good job of us knowing their
familial relationship as this

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quartet, right?
We weren't guessing who is who.

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That was already laid out within
like the 1st 10 minutes of the

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movie.
We got their relationship.

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I mean, the movie really kind of
begins, you know, after that

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montage that we see with Reed
and Sue finding out that they're

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pregnant, and we go to family
dinner and right away we get the

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dynamic of the four of them.
Yeah, I, I this movie had a lot

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riding on its shoulders
unfairly, I think.

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But also it's just the name of
the game because it's like

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starting a new phase.
It's ushering in a new kind of

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era of the MCU.
It's characters everybody knows

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a lot, a lot of like superheroes
that we know or just themes and

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stuff like that.
We owe to the Fantastic Four.

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We owe to Jack Kirby and
Stanley.

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So without them, really a lot of
this stuff when it happened, The

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Incredibles wouldn't be a thing.
Like Disney and Pixar didn't

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have the rights to Fantastic
Four.

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So they're like, OK, let's make
a Fantastic Four without the

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Fantastic Four.
So it's like fun to just see

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their just kind of effect
throughout history.

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And So what I really liked that
Matt Shakman did was he gave us

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that family stuff up front and
he was like, just so you know,

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they're all going to be like,
it's all about this family

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chemistry and dynamic.
And the opening scene being

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read, not knowing where the
yellow iodine is.

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It's such a relationship thing.
There's one person that always

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knows where everything is.
And the other person just is

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like, I know it's here because
the other person put it there,

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but I'm just going to keep
trying to find it.

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Listeners slash watchers out of
the out, the two of us, our

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relationship.
Who do you think knows where the

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iodine is?
Comment below.

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I you just kind of blew my mind.
I never realized that The

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Incredibles, it is the Fantastic
Four.

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Yeah, it's just a literal
family.

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Franklin, Jack.
Jack.

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Yeah, I need to sit with this a
little bit.

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And it's, it's very apparent.
And it's also the end of that

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movie after Syndrome and
everything.

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At the end of that movie, the
underminer comes up.

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Who is Mole Man.
Yeah.

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It's all making sense.
You didn't know that.

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No, I never realized that, but
it's like literally they just

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kind of switched the roles
around, right.

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So last, the girl is Reed and.
That's how they got around.

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This thing, Wow, that's just
blew my mind.

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So I think that they had to
balance a lot in this, right?

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It's it's this family dynamic,
it's this superhero dynamic,

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it's this world ending
storyline.

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While also one of the things
that I really found super

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interesting was that they are so
beloved by the public and I'm so

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used to seeing in superhero
movies.

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There's always a backlash,
right?

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We have a little moment of that
in this, but it's nothing too

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intense.
Our girl, you know, Sue, goes

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out there and she just politely
talks to everyone and they're

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like, you know what, Sue, you're
right.

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But I I liked living in a world
where they are truly being seen

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as heroes.
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And I think what was cool that
they showed, so this is like in

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a 60s retrofuturistic alternate
timeline, 8 to 8 is the Earth

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that they're on the universe and
all of that.

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So I liked that they were able
to give this like utopic

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worldview.
And I do think that there's like

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other layers that may have been
cut.

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There's clearly things that have
been cut from this movie.

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We talked on our Patreon episode
about Red Ghost being cut from

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this.
He does get a mention.

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But it really does seem like as
you're watching this movie, like

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Rachel Rosman seems like she had
a more important role.

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Natasha Lyonne, the mole man
seems like he could have been a

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little more.
But I think like on the surface,

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because what I was trying to get
to is like mole man and like

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subterraneous seems like they, I
don't know, like that's where

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like the lower class is at as
opposed to everybody up top is

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like in this weird.
Like we're not going to really

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acknowledge it because we've all
pushed them down.

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So there's like things in this
world that I think it's all

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fleshed out and it's all living
in.

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But I liked that they gave us
that 60s retrofuturistic feel

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because it made it so separate
from the rest of the MCU.

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And with it being not in the
sacred timeline, we got to just

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sit with these characters and
not worry about all this other

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stuff that's happening with like
Thunderbolts and everything

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else.
Yeah.

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And one of the things that I
also really enjoyed about this

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60s retro thing is the idea of
being able to be strong and not

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have to be Thor, you know, you
not have to be Chris Hemsworth.

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And I think Hemsworth and I
think that is really a nod to

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the superhero of the 60s, right?
When it didn't have to be this

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giant muscly person.
When I think of things like, you

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know, I always go back to my my
retro references, The Twilight

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Zone.
There's one episode where

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there's this utopic world where
at a certain age you get to

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become beautiful, right?
And it's just like you have a

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couple of bodies to choose from.
None of the bodies are giant and

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muscly.
They're like kind of these felt

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men.
And I felt like, you see that,

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you know, with Reed and Johnny,
they are kind of these normal

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looking guys, albeit very
handsome and powerful, but their

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body types felt like they fit
what a hero looked like in the

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60s.
Yeah.

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I mean, I, I think let's get
into like the characters a

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little bit, right?
You know, I, I really liked the

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look of them.
I liked the dynamic.

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I do wish we would have gotten a
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I think we got some of it.
Having the joke at the end with

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the thing and Johnny and Reed
trying to put the baby seat into

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the car was really funny.
I wanted a little more of that.

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But with the the runtime being
brisk, I think we got what we

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got and it was really good.
A brisk 2 hour runtime?

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Well.
It was an hour and 55 minutes

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including credits.
So sorry, we're we're looking at

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like an hour and 45 hour 40,
which is short.

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I'm just saying it's very short
to it to introduce a whole new

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world and everything.
I wanted more.

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OK.
But yeah, so I think with Reed

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specifically, I I really liked
how they didn't make like it

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seems like he didn't really
necessarily have too much of an

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arc in this.
It was more of a beginning of

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Reed because we have Secret Wars
coming out.

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That's it seems now after this
movie, they're going to really

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do the Doom and Reed type saying
he could eventually at some

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point become the maker.
I don't know, that's like an

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evil version of Reed.
But I liked how they kind of

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kept him in this the same role
going through the entire thing.

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Like he didn't really
necessarily have a character arc

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because we're introducing this
team, right?

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But I think his powers looked
great.

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It looked a little goofy at
times, but stretching does look

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goofy.
But it looked good.

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Yeah, I thought it looked really
good, too.

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I mean, any time he uses
stretching powers, I was really

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excited.
And I think that they did a good

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job of not overusing the
stretching powers, right?

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There were certain times where
he reached across the room or

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reached across the ship, and
that felt like, OK, that's fun,

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right?
But he didn't do it every time

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he reached for something.
Yeah, I, it's like interesting.

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It's like, I liked what we got.
And I'm like for the movie, it

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wasn't so action forward, so it
made sense that like some of the

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heroes showed their powers a
little more.

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I I do wish we would have gotten
like a scene or something with

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like Reed secluding himself in a
lab trying to figure out this

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problem and like, his whole body
is like stretched everywhere.

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It's just such a, a, an image
that I have in my head just

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reading the comics of like,
maybe we will get that later on.

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I hope we do, but like that was
one thing I was missing from

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Reed.
I just wanted like the weird

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icky feeling stretching because
he uses his body in weird ways.

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And I will say that I felt like
he stretched a lot lengthwise,

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but he never really stretched
with wise like, right?

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He never got big and flat and
like became a parachute or

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something like that.
So I think maybe they could have

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had more fun in that regard.
But when it comes to Reed, I

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feel like much like a, a lever,
right or, or a balancing act

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here, we have to also talk about
Sue because I feel like Reed is

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very much tinkering behind the
scenes.

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It's like he's so is it right
brained, left brained?

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He's 1/2 of a brain that is
doing mainly the all the

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intricate details and running
algorithms and things like that.

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Whereas Sue has to kind of take
the brain and then translate it

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to the heart, right?
So she needs to be front of

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house, he's back of house.
And I feel like they balance

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themselves in that way and they
understand each other.

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I think it's so funny that he
can get so deep into trying to

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figure things out, right?
He one of his missions in this

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movie is that he wants to see
the baby inside.

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Sue.
Right.

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Your wife is the Invisible
Woman.

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Yeah.
It's like he's so caught up in

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it that he can't stop to think
that, oh, there's an easier

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explanation or a way of doing
this.

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Well, he just wanted to be sure
it was like, safe, right?

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And I, I mean, yeah, it's like,
understandable.

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But it's also like, sometimes
you just can't have an answer

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for everything.
And I love that Sue was able to

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be like, look, he is fine and
whatever happens, it will

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happen.
It's okay.

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Right.
But he's so stuck in black and

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white, and I think that's why he
needs Sue in his life, because

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she could show him the Gray and
she can show him the easier way

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out.
And I really loved Sue in this

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as a character.
I think that she really is the

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one that's holding them all
together.

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At least that's what it felt
like.

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For me, yeah, I loved her
characterization.

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I liked her powers.
There was a moment where there's

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a big moment at the end,
especially with Galactus, where

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she's like pushing them and it's
like 2 blocks and it's amazing

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and it's showcasing her
abilities and her powers.

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I do wish with her powers.
I just want to touch on that a

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little bit.
Like there was just a little

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more like construct with her
force fields because it was

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almost a little hard to tell
like exactly what was happening

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and moving, but I liked the
iridescent look of it.

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I thought that was original and
unique invisibility, amazing.

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But like her finally getting the
screen time and like the

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showcasing of how amazing and
powerful and just integral to

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this group and just to the
greater cause of whatever the

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MCU is trying to do right is.
I love that they showcase that

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she's giving birth and had to
make the entire ship that's

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going by a black hole invisible
while giving birth in anti

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gravity.
Like are you kidding?

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She's also pushing the celestial
giant hungry world devouring

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creature two blocks into like a
teleporter.

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Are you kidding me?
She died.

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But well, you know, that's one
of the things it's like we were,

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I think we we were always saying
maybe in our own discussions of

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like, oh, gosh, I hope there
isn't a point like a very Jean

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Grey moment where she uses her
powers, but it's too much and

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she faints, right.
So we got that, but not

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necessarily.
I mean, she pushed so hard that

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she died.
That's a little different than

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just like being like, oh, I'm so
tired.

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Now she didn't faint.
No, she died.

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She died.
And and I think for Sue in this

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movie, she she is both the
literal mother, she's the

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figurative mother, she is the
mother of all of this.

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And I think that it's just such
a special thing in a superhero

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movie to see a woman be so
powerful and be able to take

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charge of so many of the
situations.

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I just want to see Wanda sue and
throw Agatha in there too.

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Like just these powerful mother
doing their like back bendy like

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ability.
I would just love that they

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would.
Be amazing with our children.

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Yeah.
And then I mean, of course, we

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can't not talk about the four
without the other two.

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Ben and Johnny.
I loved both of them.

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I thought Evan Moss Baccarat was
absolutely made for this role.

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Just perfect.
Joseph Quinn as Johnny.

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Very surprised.
I knew I was going to like him.

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I think he's attractive.
Some people are just like, he's

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like, yeah, it's not as hot as
like Chris Evans, like, yeah,

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but he's still like, good
looking.

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But I thought he brought this
really cool, like almost like

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Roth Hudson, like old school,
like kind of, I don't know, just

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yeah.
And I I love that they gave him

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AB plot of like, look, I am hot
and yes, I go after women and I

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get very distracted by that.
But also I just want Reed and

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Sue to see value in me and I
want to be an integral part to

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this team.
The thing I was disappointed in

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that it did feel like some of
his stuff either got cut or like

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I wasn't too sure about the
Rachel Rosman stuff.

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Like, it was fine because it's
like, Oh yeah, he he's like

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affectionate towards this woman
and he's like has a feelings

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towards her.
But like, that didn't go

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anywhere.
So I'm almost curious if like

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some of that stuff got cut.
Other than that, I thought it

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was great.
Yeah, I, I really loved, I, I, I

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thought Johnny had a stronger
role in this movie then Ben did

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personally.
And I think it comes to those B

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plot things, right?
Johnny's B plot was very

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important to them figuring out
how to get Silver Surfer on

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their side, whereas Bens thing
was just this kind of random

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flirtation.
I almost wish we had a moment

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where Ben went back to the
school and brought cookies right

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just to show like, oh, there's
the button on that right.

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So he he saw that it was
flirtatious and now he's going

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to act on it.
Like we didn't really have to

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see them go on a date.
We didn't have to see them fall

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in love.
But just give me that moment of

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him realizing that he's more
than just the thing.

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He could also still live a life
where he could fall in love.

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Yeah, as well.
I'm also just curious of like

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why Rachel and not like Alicia
Masters, which is I love Natasha

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Lyonne.
I think they're great.

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Very underutilized in this
movie, but it's an interesting,

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you know, why why choice.
But I guess they had to give him

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like something else to do to
make it seem like he's a living,

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breathing character in this
world outside of the family,

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which I do appreciate that they
attempted to do that.

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If I had to rank the four can.
Can we do that real quick, just

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like?
What are we ranking them on?

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Just your ability, no OK powers
because Sue would be top.

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Like that's not fair.
Just like who you liked, who you

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thought was like what worked for
you in the movie.

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Going from like 1:00 to 4:00.
One being best, 4 being least.

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I would have to go sue Johnny
Reed thing or Ben.

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I don't know why I said all
their names except for.

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That's literally my ranking, and
I thought you were going to be

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so surprised that I put Reed
under Johnny.

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No.
And like, I feel like, I mean,

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they're all very close.
It's just really like what they

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were, how they were utilized in
the movie.

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I think it's the dimensions they
were given, right, Right.

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I think that is really the level
of dimensions, because like you

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were saying earlier, Reed didn't
really have an arc in this.

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He was just kind of nervous
about stuff and figuring stuff

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out.
Yeah, like I again, I think they

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did such an amazing job at Pedro
bringing this to life, the

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writers, everything like that.
There was just some things that

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like make Reed read that weren't
present.

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And I get that.
It's like story wise, right.

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And this is the beginning.
We're getting like baby steps

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towards like these characters
being integrated into everything

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else.
But there was just those moments

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where I was like, OK, like I get
that Rita smart.

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I need to see how smart.
I need to see some of those

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things.
Cause almost everything that was

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figured out, granted it was
great that his family helped him

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figure it out, but he didn't
come up with some of that stuff.

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There was no like he's so
engrossed into his own brain and

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figuring out a problem that he
creates his own problems.

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So there was none of that.
But I, I get that it's story

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wise.
So he would have been higher if

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I just got some of those little
tiny read things that I have

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grown to.
Very much love the character.

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I was very curious because you
know how in some movies when

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there's math, they actually
bring someone that's a

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mathematician in to figure out
the equations to make it all

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make sense.
When he figured out that they

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only had 37 seconds to get
Galactus into that portal, he

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like wrote one equation and I
was like, is that real?

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That's.
Tremendous.

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It's just like I was like,
what's the validity of that?

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So any mathematicians out there
who listen to the pod, please

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let us know.
I mean, he said it with

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confidence and I believed him.
Yeah, so and.

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When he wrote 37 seconds, in my
head, I went, Oh my God, only 37

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seconds.
It's because that's impossible.

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It's because it's such a
specific number.

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Well, I loved it.
It made me nervous as a viewer

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of that's not a big window of
time.

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And I, I, I like that that
mirrors in the beginning, you

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know, when he's looking for that
iodine, Sue is in, you know, on

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the toilet basically waiting for
the 12 seconds to go by for the

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pregnancy test.
So it's like, you know, he said

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something like, that's a very
specific time, and then he gives

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them a very specific time later
on.

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I just mirrored read.
Oh, I feel so special.

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Didn't even realize it.
OK, so characters, right, We got

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those out of the way.
Let's talk about kind of just

449
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,760
the broader story, right?
Let's talk about just some of

450
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,480
the themes that they they put
out here.

451
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,320
Let's talk about Galactus and
Silver Surfer.

452
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,000
How did you feel about Franklin
kind of being the central point

453
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,520
to this movie?
I thought it was interesting.

454
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,520
You know, I always sometimes
see, especially in long standing

455
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,160
shows and movies, when they
throw a kid into it, it always

456
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,520
feels like almost like a Hail
Mary to just throw something new

457
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,240
in there to save a plot.
I mean, full House, Sailor Moon,

458
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,000
like those are always my
examples of like there's just

459
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,200
kids for some reason.
You.

460
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,080
Don't like Chippy Moon anyway,
Go on.

461
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:38,800
OK, let's not start that, but I
so that always kind of makes me

462
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,320
feel a little odd.
But I think in this movie,

463
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,440
because he is literally
introduced from the beginning,

464
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,920
it really does revolve around
him.

465
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,560
So I thought that it all made
sense.

466
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,000
You know, going forward, it's
very interesting to see what

467
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:01,560
Franklin will be right, what he
will he become because Galactus

468
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,920
was willing to not eat an entire
planet as long as he could have

469
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,760
Franklin.
He says that I don't know if I

470
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,480
believe him.
You think he'd still snack?

471
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,400
I think he'd still do a little,
yeah.

472
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,920
I mean, who, who does he answer
to?

473
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,160
You know, like I think the cool
thing about Galactus and

474
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,760
involving Franklin, which I was
honestly surprised there's a

475
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,160
storyline.
I can't remember the writers off

476
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,280
the top of my head, but there's
like a Earth X and this entire

477
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,840
storyline it turns, so it turns
out that Franklin is Galactus.

478
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,040
Like that's one of the big
reveals of that storyline.

479
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,840
And it was really interesting
that they kind of took from that

480
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,120
and put it into this movie
because this whole thing is

481
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:40,160
like, he would be the successor.
I could finally stop his hunger

482
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,560
and he could be the successor.
And that's kind of why he wants

483
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,040
Franklin, which I thought was
really interesting for him to

484
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,240
do.
In the comics, Franklin and

485
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,120
Galactus have an interesting
relationship.

486
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:53,040
Like sometimes he'll go off to
Galactus and talk to him because

487
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,120
they're both these beings and
kind of just forces of nature.

488
00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,960
Like Galactus, I believe is the
director maybe kind of put it

489
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,680
perfectly.
And he said like Galactus is

490
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,360
like a force of nature.
He's like a hurricane, like he's

491
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:09,040
a villain, but it's like you
don't vilify the hurricane,

492
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,640
right?
It's just like it's a thing that

493
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,760
happens.
So I thought that was really

494
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:18,120
interesting that they made that
comparison and having Franklin,

495
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:22,160
who we know from in the comics
is just, he's can do anything.

496
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,800
He he can create galaxies, he
create anything.

497
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,520
He he literally there's a whole
storyline where like he's a

498
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,480
mutant, but there was a
storyline that found out like

499
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,880
he's not really a mutant.
He actually made himself a

500
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,920
mutant because that's just what
he felt like he belonged to and

501
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,840
everything.
I think he's now a mutant still,

502
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,520
or maybe not.
It's very confusing.

503
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,880
Who are you?
Franklin, Right?

504
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,000
Having Franklin, going back to
the original point, having

505
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,680
Franklin kind of be a central
point, made sense from like a

506
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,600
comic book reader standpoint.
The only thing I will say is

507
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,560
that there was some very, like,
I don't know, just baby CGI

508
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,440
babies just don't ever look
good.

509
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,600
It was just bumming me out a
little bit, especially in the

510
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,920
third act when he revives Sue.
I was like, yeah, this is like

511
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,520
Franklin Renesme.
Like it's just, it's like

512
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,120
verging on that just a little
bit.

513
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,480
I got the head shape right.
Yeah, but there was like.

514
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,400
Moments where like the head was
like moving weird.

515
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,240
I was like, I know that they do
it so these infants can convey

516
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,200
emotion because infants don't
normally do that.

517
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,440
I get it.
But like we didn't need the baby

518
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,920
to be CGI most of the time.
So that's like my biggest

519
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,920
complaint with Franklin is like,
I'm cool with them involving

520
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,560
Franklin, just like use the real
child yet when sue.

521
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,720
Is laying there lifeless.
Reed brings Franklin to her and

522
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,840
he goes, he's holding the baby
and he goes to put Franklin on

523
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,640
her chest.
And it looked like some sort of

524
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,040
weird blue computer bubble that
he was just like placing on her

525
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,200
chest.
That's when I noticed it most in

526
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,880
a lot of the facial expression
things.

527
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,040
I was willing to let that go.
I'm like, OK, you know, it's a

528
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,520
baby.
Like you said, they can't convey

529
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,200
emotions.
But that handling the baby, that

530
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,480
was, that was something.
It was interesting.

531
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,520
To see like the baby look worse
than the giant rock man.

532
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,720
Like that was odd to.
Me, but you know, aside from

533
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,400
that I oh the beard, yeah, the
beard looked great.

534
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,560
The beard is awesome.
Yeah.

535
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,440
I I think having him be kind of
one of the the driving forces.

536
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,440
So this was interesting because
then you have, like, the

537
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,760
conflict with Reed, who is sees
a lot of things as numbers and

538
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,640
equations and stuff, be
confronted with his entire

539
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,800
family looking at him.
Like, are you seriously

540
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,680
considered considering giving
our child up to save the planet?

541
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,480
And I think it's an interesting
problem for a group of heroes

542
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,320
like this, and especially a hero
like Reed to confront.

543
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,800
Yeah, I mean this.
Movie is the trolley problem.

544
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,480
Yeah, right.
Are they willing to give up

545
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,080
their son to save all of
humanity?

546
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,120
And obviously it's a difficult
position, which we understand.

547
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,200
But I think that's really,
again, where we see the

548
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,480
difference a lot of the time
between Reed and Sue is, you

549
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,800
know, part of me almost wonders,
is Reed, is he just a genius?

550
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,440
Is he a genius on the spectrum?
Is because he's not able to

551
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,240
really.
He's thinking that is one of the

552
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,560
options.
He's not saying that's not the

553
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,600
option I want to do, but we have
to realize that that is an

554
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,720
option.
Yeah, there's.

555
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,160
I would highly suggest people
reading Ryan N's Fantastic Four.

556
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,640
He's the current writer on
Fantastic Four and what the

557
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,920
fantastic thing is that Ryan has
done for that character is

558
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:32,480
really show kind of his like
autistic tendencies and kind of

559
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,600
putting that more on the
forefront and being like, you

560
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,320
know, he he is on the spectrum
to some degree.

561
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,280
And it's not necessarily a
hindrance to him.

562
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,080
It's actually what also has
helped him with his, you know,

563
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,640
brain and everything like that.
So I like that they did include

564
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,680
you kind of get a little bit of
a feeling of like, oh, like he

565
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,040
does view the world differently.
He reacts to situations a little

566
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,520
differently.
And I liked that they added that

567
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,600
in here because, again, Reed
didn't get a lot of screen time.

568
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,240
And when he did, there's those
kind of silent conversations

569
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,640
that Sue, knowing Reed so much,
understood.

570
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,440
And it all came down to like,
what are we going to do about

571
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,960
Franklin?
And he doesn't.

572
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,600
He didn't want to say it out
loud, but like, he can't help

573
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,560
but think it right.
Yeah, I also felt.

574
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,160
Like I noticed that relationship
when they get back from get

575
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,040
finally getting away from
Galactus and Silver Surfer and

576
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,320
they land and and she's holding
Franklin because as Noah said,

577
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,600
she gives birth in space and
he's kind of looking to her to

578
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,160
be like in my in when I'm
watching him, it's almost I'm

579
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,680
going like, don't you want to do
this?

580
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,560
Don't you want to be the one
that's on the microphone?

581
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,200
Because for him, they're going
to ask him these questions and

582
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,520
he's going to tell them the
answers point blank.

583
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,040
Well, but also like.
Fuck them for like expecting

584
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,400
them to want to say something.
After that I was like God let

585
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,160
them breathe.
I know they just.

586
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,840
Got off the ship they're like,
oh, here's a practice

587
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,120
conference, by the way.
OK, hold on, let's.

588
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,280
Backtrack 'cause we were, I just
noticed that we're like left

589
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,920
Galactus and yeah, we've already
talked about the four.

590
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,920
We'll talk about them again.
Well, I I think one of.

591
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,960
The themes of one of the things
that I was thinking about is

592
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,160
just the the Silver Surfer and
Galactus, right?

593
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,040
So Silver Surfer is in a really
interesting position here

594
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,800
because I think that there is
there's a blur of right and

595
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,960
wrong here, right?
And so we learn a little bit

596
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,000
Silver Surfers background and
basically to save her planet,

597
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,480
she becomes the Herald.
But now she's just dooming all

598
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,920
the other planets.
Yeah, she said something.

599
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,400
I can't remember if it was to
Johnny or not.

600
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,040
There was like some like any
time she was talking, there's

601
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,640
just so much spectacle
happening.

602
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,640
I need to watch this movie again
because I was just so amazed

603
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,520
with what was happening that
like, I wasn't like, I guess

604
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,800
like downloading what she was
saying into my brain, but I

605
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,080
believe she had said something
of like, you know, when you've

606
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,160
done this for as long as I have,
it gets easier.

607
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,320
And like, because that's like
when Johnny was like, take me

608
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,040
instead, like I'll be the
sacrifice.

609
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,920
And he's like, why are you doing
this?

610
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,560
And that's when she kind of
tells him like she's kind of

611
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,600
lost her humanity.
She's not a human, but she's

612
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,360
lost that.
I I guess morality to her

613
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,200
because she's done it so much,
but she still has that like

614
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,600
subconscious part of her where
she heralds the world's, but she

615
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,120
heralds Galactus, but she warns
these worlds of like tell your

616
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,080
loved ones, but you've always
wanted to tell them, keep them

617
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,160
close.
And this is a mercy that I'm

618
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,320
giving you.
So that still seeps through for

619
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,000
her.
But I it's so interesting.

620
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,400
It's interesting.
Because it, it's almost like she

621
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,760
is, she made the same decision
that we watched the Fantastic

622
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,360
Four make to save her one child
or one world.

623
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,000
She's willing to kill millions
of other beings, right?

624
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,920
And so she's been through it
already.

625
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,640
She knows the decision, she
knows what it's become.

626
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,200
And I really thought Julia
Garner, I thought that she did

627
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,480
it very tenderly, you know,
handled everything very

628
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,560
carefully, really having that,
almost that, that back story,

629
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,680
that sadness, that numbness that
comes with everything that she's

630
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,040
done.
And I, I really love that

631
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,880
portrayal.
Also, you know, not to mention

632
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,000
the surfing was awesome.
I just want to.

633
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,640
Say that like, I have put this
on social media already, but

634
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,520
like, I cannot stop thinking
about their first, you know,

635
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,800
face to face with Galactus.
And the entire sequence leading

636
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,840
up to them getting back to Earth
was probably the best thing that

637
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,600
has ever happened in a Marvel
movie.

638
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,560
It is so incredibly well done.
There's like an interesting love

639
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,480
letter to like Interstellar in
there.

640
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,760
The chase sequence is absolutely
amazing.

641
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:47,880
But seeing Charleball surf on
the lava, I guess it was I yes,

642
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,160
like, yes, surf in space, but
surfing on lava, I'm like, it is

643
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,160
a surfboard.
It is a surfboard.

644
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,200
It was, it was incredible.
I mean, they literally they

645
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,880
honored the name Silver Surfer
in this right?

646
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,200
And I even just loved how
powerful she was when she just

647
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,440
would glide into their ship or
into any place.

648
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,160
She just.
But it was like gently.

649
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,600
It wasn't menacingly.
It's like, I need to talk to

650
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,240
you.
Well, she.

651
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:14,680
Yeah.
She.

652
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,920
Barriers don't mean anything.
Yeah, she's very much like and

653
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,200
well, this shows you what
Galactus powers is like.

654
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,880
He gave her an an ounce of
disabilities and what she can do

655
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,440
right.
So like this is just a force

656
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,920
that's beyond comprehension and
beyond, you know, even doors

657
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,400
like she can just go through
things right.

658
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,560
I thought it was really cool.
I think that they showcased her

659
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,480
ability and her formidity really
well and Julie Gardner, she's

660
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,360
just so good.
And it was it looked good in the

661
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,920
trailers.
We I was kind of worried a

662
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,120
little bit like it kind of
looks, it looks fine, but it

663
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,720
doesn't look as good as I hoped
it would.

664
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,400
But the final product in the
movie, seeing it on like IMX and

665
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,320
just seeing her like raise up
out of the lava and then chasing

666
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,080
them through that wormhole, I
was like, this looks absolutely

667
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,800
amazing.
And I don't want to question why

668
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,960
she has makeup on because why
not?

669
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,000
She wants to look.
She wants to look good while

670
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,920
she's heralding the end of your
life, you know, and even just

671
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,040
going back to the way it, it
looked when Johnny, when she's

672
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,120
leaving Earth after she's
delivered her message, when

673
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,960
Johnny flies up to her and and
later on when he's trying to

674
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,040
explain to them what he saw,
he's like, I saw stars.

675
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,120
I I saw myself.
And it's like it was

676
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,600
mesmerizing, right?
It was really mesmerizing.

677
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,920
I just have to mention though.
The just Galactus as a whole,

678
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,000
Ralph Ennis voices and motion
capture, I'm assuming of

679
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,679
Galactus it.
I'm so happy we got a physical

680
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,280
version of Galactus, not
Cloudactus, cloud Galactus,

681
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,000
whatever we want to call it from
Rise of the Silver Surfer.

682
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:56,400
But I the just the first visual
of his eyes glowing when they're

683
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,280
standing there and you get just
the massive scale of Galactus.

684
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,160
You see him up there and you see
even the Silver Surfer next to

685
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,600
him, just how tiny they are
compared to him.

686
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,640
It was just it made me so happy.
There's two moments in this

687
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,400
movie where I legit like had
tears in my eyes.

688
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,840
It was it almost at the
beginning, just the montage.

689
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,720
I was like, this is just so
amazing.

690
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,920
I'm so happy about this.
But it was the entire like

691
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,280
Galactus sequence.
I was just like, holy shit.

692
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,760
And then the moment in where Sue
and Reed have that conversation

693
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,480
and when she was like you being
you hurts me.

694
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,880
I was like, that is so fucking
cool that they included because

695
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,120
yeah, it's it's easy to make
them seem like they love each

696
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,680
other the whole time, but how
you make it relatable is you

697
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,920
have them have conflict within
their relationship.

698
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,800
And I was like, y'all got Reed
and Sue.

699
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,320
You got it.
You got it so well, but I just I

700
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,040
just think that they they nailed
so many visual aspects of this

701
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,000
and even just some of the themes
of it, but I just can't get that

702
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,440
image of Galactus.
Oh, it's just so good.

703
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,320
I think it's safe to say.
That we really like the

704
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,800
relationship between Reed and
Sue because we keep going back

705
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,720
to it.
We could do.

706
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,840
We could.
Literally do an entire episode

707
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,040
on Reed and Sue.
You know 1.

708
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,840
Of the interesting things about
Galactus was although he was

709
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,200
large and menacing, I actually
didn't find him that scary.

710
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,480
What I personally found scary
was impending death, that

711
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,080
tension that was running through
the whole film of how much they

712
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,120
were trying, but they couldn't
stop him.

713
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,640
What his?
Arrival was going to bring is

714
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,040
what scared me the most.
You know, he he said something

715
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,640
where he's like, I just have
like this unending insatiable

716
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,800
hunger and I was like, been
there, done that.

717
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,320
But he really is like almost a
static figure that represents

718
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,120
the end did was there.
For Galactus, because I had, I

719
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,520
had some interesting feelings
about this, but I just want to

720
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:51,240
put this out there.
Did you feel like he worked

721
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:53,880
better in space?
Kind of sitting there like on

722
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,280
the thing, but.
Also worked.

723
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,760
When he was on the ground, like
walking through New York, Like

724
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,320
did both of those work for you
or would you have preferred like

725
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,320
kind of not him being physically
on the ground, I think.

726
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,720
I personally think he worked
better in space.

727
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,080
Yeah.
Because I think when he came to

728
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,920
Earth, that portion of the film
wasn't very long.

729
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:19,680
It was handled fairly quickly,
and it was very much a kind of

730
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,640
like a Godzilla moment, a Kaiju
moment.

731
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,600
But it didn't wreak that much
havoc.

732
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:25,720
Yeah.
I mean.

733
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,240
I think they were smart with
getting Molemen on their side

734
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,440
and letting people go down to
Subterranea, which also I just

735
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,160
wish he was in it more.
Like just so good, so funny

736
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,160
scene stealer.
But yeah, I think I liked seeing

737
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,600
him physically walk through it
because I think it, it gave

738
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,640
scale and it gave like literal
weight to like what he can do

739
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,120
physically, right?
But also like there were some

740
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,440
weird, like kind of not tender
moments, but interesting moments

741
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,480
of like, does this guy ever
leave his seat up there?

742
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,920
Because he he drops down and one
of the first things he does is

743
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,040
he sees the Statue of Liberty
and kind of like looks at it and

744
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,880
then keeps walking.
Like he's never seen something

745
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,520
like that where like he's just
taking it in right and like he

746
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,520
gets to gets to the coast and he
picks up this the ground and he

747
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,360
like kind of sniffs it and then
he keeps walking.

748
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,840
So he's almost like a a like
baby legs.

749
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,760
He's just like, wow, what is all
this place?

750
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,720
Oh, wait, I have a thing to do.
So it was interesting.

751
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,640
I think it worked, but it also,
again, to your point, it did it

752
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,640
was handled pretty quickly.
The third act.

753
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,600
While it had some.
Amazing moments, I think was the

754
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,480
weaker portion of the movie.
Yeah, I and.

755
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,800
I was just like, I'm trying to
just wrap my head around the

756
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,600
scale of Galactus, who seemed so
huge in space and then like, was

757
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,880
big on Earth, but not as big as
I thought he was.

758
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,000
Yeah, the scaling was.
A little interesting.

759
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,200
I think they just had to do it
for like, how are we going to be

760
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,920
able to see our heroes dealing
with something this big, but

761
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,560
also make it manageable because
there's just four of them,

762
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,400
right?
Like, they're going to have to

763
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,120
be able to, like, interact with
them.

764
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,000
Yeah, I mean speaking.
Of that third act and act and

765
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,200
just the action in general.
It felt like an action light

766
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,440
Marvel film.
I again, obviously really

767
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,760
enjoyed it, but it felt like
there was the montage in the

768
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,000
beginning, there was the
spaceship part and then there

769
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,560
was the final act did that.
Do you think for most audiences

770
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,000
that's not going to be enough
Action I.

771
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,640
No, I mean, I think.
Some people are going to

772
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,400
question why there isn't as much
action because again, this is a

773
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,560
comic book movie.
The unfortunate thing with that

774
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,640
and people thinking that is
like, not, not every comic book

775
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,960
and not every set of characters
is The Avengers.

776
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,160
The Avengers literally are
always going to have action

777
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,280
because that's the point of all
of them getting together.

778
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,440
Something is going to end the
universe and the world, whatever

779
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,160
it is.
So the Fantastic Four have never

780
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,600
really been that.
They've never been action first.

781
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,240
They've always been figuring
things out either

782
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:01,480
diplomatically, scientifically,
whatever.

783
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:05,160
So I enjoyed it.
I didn't think that there wasn't

784
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,000
that much action because I just,
I wasn't expecting that.

785
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,680
I think they balanced it well.
Do I wish that like they didn't

786
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,320
necessarily have that like fight
with Galactus at the end?

787
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,000
I don't know because I don't
know what the end of.

788
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,400
The conflict would have.
Been, but I think they had to

789
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,000
add something like that in
there.

790
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,120
It's kind of one of those
things.

791
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,880
It's like, oh, of course it ends
with like a ACGI fight.

792
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,760
You know, I think we needed
that.

793
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,480
Though personally, not that I'm
saying that it lacked action,

794
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,440
but we needed that big final.
Yeah, yeah, I was.

795
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,440
Just surprised that like that
was what it LED up to and then

796
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,160
it was handled relatively
quickly.

797
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,240
But I can't deny it.
Like that scene Sue stole the

798
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:46,080
show with pushing Galactus and
then also with Silver Surfer

799
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,960
coming in and pushing Johnny out
of the way.

800
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,600
Amazing, great, fantastic.
I I do think we will see them

801
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,880
again.
I hope so, because they.

802
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,600
Didn't necessarily kill them or
destroy them, they just sent

803
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,120
them somewhere.
Well, you can't.

804
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,400
I don't.
I mean, I'm assuming this is

805
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,440
inferred, but you can't you you
shouldn't kill Colectus because

806
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,400
he's part of an integral balance
of the universe.

807
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,280
You can't kill him.
So like he has to be around, he

808
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,560
has to do what he does.
But like the whole thing is like

809
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,840
trying to evade him or trying to
persuade him or whatever.

810
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,640
Is there ever a time where?
Galactus is like more level

811
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,000
headed about it.
Depends on the writer.

812
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,920
Yeah, I mean, a lot of times
he's like kind of like left the

813
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,080
world alone because he gets
thwarted every time and stuff

814
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,160
like that.
But yeah, it it depends.

815
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,480
Most of the time he's like this.
He got that one little sniff.

816
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,600
Of Earth.
And now he he's got the taste he

817
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:33,280
wants.
Franklin.

818
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,760
Yeah, he wants Franklin.
Yeah.

819
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,200
Yeah.
So I mean, I think, I think

820
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,520
antagonist wise, I think they
did such a good job.

821
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,320
OK, so kind of wrapping it up,
right?

822
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,960
There's so much we could talk
about, right?

823
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:53,640
I, I am so surprised that Earth
828 still exists.

824
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,240
I am so surprised because now I
have no idea how the Fantastic

825
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:02,280
Four are going to get to our
timeline we've been in because

826
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,000
I, I think myself and quite a
few people we've mentioned this

827
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,320
on the podcast before.
I think we all assumed that like

828
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,520
that world would die and that's
how our Fantastic Four come into

829
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,720
secret Wars or in Doomsday,
right?

830
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,120
So now seeing that like the
Earth still is around, how does

831
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,240
it connect to the end credits
scene on Thunderbolts?

832
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:28,440
Where'd they see the Fantastic
Four ship coming towards Earth?

833
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,760
So I it's very interesting like
that doesn't connect and I'm

834
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,320
curious of why they made that
choice and.

835
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,960
You know, again, huge spoilers.
The after credits scene, one of

836
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,400
them is that Doctor Doom appears
in the Fantastic Four's living

837
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,080
room, right, with an older
Franklin.

838
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,960
I think it's four years later.
And so I think we're led to

839
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,000
believe that that's the Robert
Downey Junior Doctor Doom.

840
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,840
I don't think it's.
Actually, Robert Downey Junior,

841
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,720
hence why we didn't like see his
face right, but it's

842
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:56,600
representing.
Him.

843
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,400
No.
Yeah, yeah.

844
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,520
Maybe that's what I'm wondering.
Is it another?

845
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,000
How many Doctor Dooms can will
there be in Doomsday?

846
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,560
I mean, is that a thing?
Multiple Dooms?

847
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,800
Well, I don't know.
Well, I mean, we're dealing with

848
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,640
the multiverse, right?
I who's to say that this doom is

849
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,520
from their Earth or from another
Earth?

850
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,560
Why does he want Franklin?
How does he know about Franklin

851
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:22,040
'cause he's popular, right?
Well, the, the four year jump is

852
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,240
interesting.
I think like they want to age up

853
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:27,120
this kid, which is fine, but it
does seem like that we're not

854
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,760
getting Valeria.
Like it's just going to like

855
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,360
Franklin's just going to be the
kid, at least for a while.

856
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,880
So that's that's going to be
interesting to see that like

857
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,360
it's just going to be, does she
have powers?

858
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,120
Nope, she's just insanely.
Smart.

859
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,720
She's like up there with like
Rhode Island, Rhode Island.

860
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:46,280
And I mean, she's she rivals
Reed sometimes.

861
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,880
It's it's really funny.
In the comics, Doom and and her

862
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,680
have a really close
relationship.

863
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,200
It's really interesting.
Yeah, Yeah, that's wild.

864
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,400
Fantastic.
I love it yeah, but I think

865
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,120
yeah, I the where it left is
interesting.

866
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,440
I'm very curious to see how it's
going to connect to doomsday.

867
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,280
Obviously she's he shows up in
their living room.

868
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,040
I I did think like the the cloak
and the mask looked a little.

869
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,640
Bad but.
Like you said last minute.

870
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,160
Costume department, they're
like, whatever, yeah, I mean, I

871
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,640
just.
Don't want to be like blindly be

872
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,520
like excited about it, right?
I think, like, part of what we

873
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,560
do is like critique and like,
you know, talk about it.

874
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,160
While I am excited that just
seeing Franklin and Doom

875
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,800
interact with each other, I was
like, that was like, I don't

876
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,240
know if we needed that.
Do you think they're smashing?

877
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:41,120
Franklin and Valeria Valeria
like together maybe?

878
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,880
I so then that would.
Bum me out.

879
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,520
That would really bum me out, to
be honest, because I think you

880
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,800
need both just, I mean, just
from a perspective of that.

881
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,480
But you could like, if Doom and
Franklin are going to have that

882
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,120
relationship, then we're not
getting her.

883
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,600
Like, there's just, we're going
to get her.

884
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,600
That's a bummer, yeah.
Which is sad, but I'm.

885
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,800
Excited to see Franklin come
into his God like self.

886
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:04,960
And if we're going to get the
conflict of like Reed putting

887
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,480
inhibitors on him and that's
going to create a whole thing,

888
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,520
yeah, let me be who I want.
To be father, yeah.

889
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,800
So any OK?
Final thoughts Final thoughts

890
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,520
for Fantastic Four.
First steps, give them Oh.

891
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,800
I thought overall it was a very
strong movie.

892
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,400
I think that it hit a lot of
themes well.

893
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,080
I loved the look of it.
I loved the styling in the

894
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,360
costumes.
I was all in for this retro 60

895
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,080
look.
I think I'm just the question

896
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:39,120
mark is how the heck does this?
Come together.

897
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,160
I I.
Really appreciated the the look

898
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,720
of it, the aesthetic, like, I
don't necessarily know like

899
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:48,640
story wise, if it mattered
really, but I like that like in

900
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,000
the 60s, they thought this is
what the future would look like,

901
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,040
so they just put it in the 60s.
I I think that was really clever

902
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,240
and like these are the heroes of
that time, right?

903
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:59,080
So I don't know, I just I love
that I think final thoughts.

904
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,240
I couldn't be happier, honestly,
like I know I had some like

905
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,680
these are things that I wish we
would have gotten right.

906
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,840
Like I've thought about this
kind of movie for such a long

907
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,440
time that I'm like they came so
incredibly close to this being

908
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,040
perfect that like I'm amazed at
like what we got because it

909
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,480
could have easily went S but I
know I I hope that it's they

910
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,920
they're handled with care with
the Russo brothers and when

911
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,960
we're going to see them in the
next two adventures movies.

912
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,080
So I'm very excited, but like,
oh, please do him justice.

913
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,880
Yeah, it was.
It was definitely a strong first

914
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,760
step, yeah, I think.
Seeing them interact with

915
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,760
everybody is going to be wild.
Yeah, it's going to be fun.

916
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,160
And are they going?
To be like, what the heck is a

917
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,600
computer?
You know, kind of, I mean, I

918
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,400
almost.
Think that like maybe it's going

919
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,520
to be like a Carol Danvers
situation where like she kind of

920
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,880
came in like as this unknown
person to The Avengers during

921
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,800
like Infinity War and end game.
So I'm curious if that's going

922
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,160
to be a simpler thing that
happens where they show up and

923
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,880
they're like, look, this is
what's going on 'cause they know

924
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,160
Doom and they're going to be
like, what?

925
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,720
Who are you and why are you
wearing blue uniforms?

926
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:08,000
You know?
So it's going to be, oh, it's

927
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,600
going to be fun.
I just wish list right now.

928
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,600
I just cannot wait for Jen
Walters and Ben Grimm to

929
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,440
interact with each other.
I can't wait for Johnny Storm

930
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,720
and Spider Man to interact
together.

931
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,160
Those are friendships that I
just love so much.

932
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,520
The buds, they need their.
Buds.

933
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,520
And then, of course, no more.
With Sue, that's right.

934
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,640
OK, correct me if I'm wrong.
Noah looks like Johnny Storm,

935
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,920
but is Reed I look like thing
but M Sue.

936
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,000
Oh yeah, it's kind of.
Yeah, similar, right.

937
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,000
There was something that you did
say we're driving back home from

938
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,400
the movies and you said, you
know what, I understand you more

939
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,120
after seeing that movie.
And I was like, what?

940
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,040
Why?
And you're like, because of how

941
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,040
Reed acts.
And I was like, oh shit, I'm

942
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,880
found out like damn it.
But I mean, he was a very

943
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,000
integral part to me growing up.
So I guess I just wanted to

944
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,240
become Reed.
Well, you did it.

945
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,160
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know if that's

946
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,000
good or not.
Turn on Galactus.

947
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,840
OK, Yeah.
Yeah, you.

948
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,160
Want.
To see it close up, look at

949
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,760
that.
Yeah, it's so big.

950
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,480
Oh my God, when you.
Hold it like, 'cause the

951
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,520
perspective, it makes it look
small back there, but when you

952
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,840
hold it, it's huge.
That's incredible.

953
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,960
It's so good.
I was so happy.

954
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,280
I didn't want to get it.
And then my birthday's coming

955
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,720
up.
It was in the middle of the

956
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:32,280
movie.
Derek leaves and comes back with

957
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:33,840
it.
And I was, I almost cried.

958
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,120
I was like, how dare you gave it
to me?

959
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,040
You have to see the picture.
Of him holding it when we're

960
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,720
walking back to the car.
It's adorable.

961
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,480
This is probably our longest.
Episode we've had in a while,

962
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,840
but how fitting by the way, I
I'm.

963
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,480
So sad we didn't do him service.
Herbie is just incredible.

964
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,440
He's so cute, he's so helpful.
I love him.

965
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,800
He survives.
It's fantastic.

966
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,680
I didn't mention.
Michael Gugino's score, I think

967
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,800
that was one of the first things
that I said after the movie.

968
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,960
I said that score is absolutely
masterful.

969
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,080
It is so insane how good that
score is.

970
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,680
There is a.
Song.

971
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,520
What is the name of that song?
Herbie's Lullaby.

972
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,520
No, no, no.
The one that's like let us be

973
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,560
devoured or something like that.
That's what it's called.

974
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,000
They made it for the movie.
Oh my God, I was.

975
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,760
Like no, that's bad.
I'm sure there.

976
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,680
Is like, there's so many things
that we didn't talk about.

977
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,400
There's so much in this to
discuss.

978
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,160
Like let us know what your
favorite part was.

979
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,600
Let us know what we didn't
mention that you really loved

980
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,480
Lynn.
We love Lynn.

981
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,320
Lynn is like kind of like their
publicist.

982
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,120
Oh right, she's or.
Like therapist.

983
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,600
Or whatever therapist from Ted
Lasso T.

984
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,040
She was so good.
OK, we have to go.

985
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,680
Tell us what you think.
Goodbye.