Jan. 25, 2025
'Nosferatu' Movie Review | Robert Eggers | Lily-Rose Depp | Bill Skarsgard
Get the blood out of your mustache and get ready for A Bite Of’s review of Robert Eggers’ Nosferatu! On the menu: a return to classic vampire horror, Lily-Rose Depp’s body bending performance, rats on rats, Bill Skrsgård’s animalistic Orlok and more!
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2:46 - Initial Thoughts
5:34 - The Gothic-ness & Setting
9:27 - Performances
13:21 - What is Nosferatu trying to say?
16:49 - Bill Skarsgård’s Count Orlok
18:08 - Back to scary Vampires & Romanticism
23:58 - Final Thoughts
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Welcome to a Bite of We're
Talking about notes for R2.
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I'm don't.
You didn't say your name.
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No, that's fine.
Oh, hi.
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I'm Derek.
That's Noah.
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Noah Speratu.
Good job.
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Yeah.
Wow.
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OK, So yeah, let's let that be
the intro.
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Why not?
We've had coffee and it's way
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too late to be having coffee, so
that's probably what was
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happening.
Nosferatu or Nosferatu?
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How was people saying it?
I feel like it's a Thanos,
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Thanos type thing, you know?
This almost sounds the same, but
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to the trained ear there's a
difference.
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Bill Skarsgard should know what
that is.
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Yeah.
So we're talking Robert Edgar's
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newest entry into his dark
gothic verse.
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I should say Nosferatu.
We're kind of making up for our
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holiday break because all of
these movies decided to come
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out.
Yes.
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When we're on break, award
season is upon us.
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So keep an eye out for some
award pods coming up.
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We're on it.
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It's all down below.
That's right.
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We would love to talk to you
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would be nice.
Yeah, because I we're just
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talking to each other, but we're
talking to you.
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We just want to know that you're
happy, hopefully happy.
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We're also continuing our trend
of not typical holiday movies
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that have come out.
So we had horny holidays and now
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we have.
Horror holidays.
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Different kind of horny, that's
true.
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Also sexy.
And of course, spoiler alert.
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I would say spoiler alert and
trigger warning, right?
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This does heavily deal with sex
and abuse kind of.
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So warnings ahead, we're going
into the darkness.
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Let us officially take a bite of
Nosferatu.
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Written and directed by Robert
Eggers.
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Haunted by visions of a deathly
shadow, Ellen has recently found
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happiness with her new husband,
Thomas.
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On the hunt for his first
property sale, Thomas is tasked
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with selling a home to a
mysterious buyer in
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Transylvania.
Once he arrives, he is warned of
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an ungodly creature that lives
in the castle.
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He unknowingly releases a plague
on his home and his wife.
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Sorry, Thomas.
So what did you think?
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OK, general thoughts up top,
it's Robert Eggers.
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He's one of the best in the
industry right now.
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I think with immersion, with
really taking care with what he
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has on every single shot and
screen.
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I'm a huge fan of Robert Eggers.
Ever since the Witch, I have
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been sold.
I will, I want to live
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deliciously.
I will succumb to the darkness.
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I will go to that lighthouse.
Anything he wants me to do or in
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transport me into I will be
there.
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Yeah, this is definitely a Noah
film, right?
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You love gothic horror.
You love new takes on old
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properties, especially done by
masters of the craft.
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So this was 100% of Noah film.
Yeah, I was really excited to
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see what he was going to do with
Nosferatu because as we know,
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Nosferatu is a kind of, it was,
let's say, a copyrighted version
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of Dracula.
Like it wasn't supposed to come
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out and they made them,
destroyed the copies.
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So the only copies we have were
illegal copies.
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Oh my gosh.
Which is crazy.
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That is crazy.
It's a version of a story and
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he's doing the version of kind
of both of them together.
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I was curious to see how he was
going to do it.
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I will say for his kind of
stories and him doing AI guess
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retelling a remake.
It was very by the book for
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those stories because I wasn't
sure where he was going to go.
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And I was like, oh, he did all
the beats of Nosferatu slash
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kind of weaving Dracula in there
as well.
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So I was happy with that.
I liked it.
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I I thought it was really well
done.
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Well.
Crafted.
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Yeah, I, I feel like I learned a
lot from this film.
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I think I learned not to sign
documents that are in a
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different language.
I learned that if I travel to a
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place and an entire town of
people are saying don't go to
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that creepy place, maybe I
shouldn't go to it.
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Also, if I'm feeling
uncomfortable in a situation,
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leave.
This is all Thomas.
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Thomas really needed to learn a
lot.
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He didn't learn enough soon
enough.
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But other than it's educational
factors, it was really good.
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I mean, I was thoroughly
entertained.
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I kind of feel like lately I've
been going into viewing things
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blindly and enjoying the
experience, not really expecting
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anything.
I mean, I think on some level I
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was expecting something really
scary.
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And I think it was creepy.
I think it had moments of scare.
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I think the scare really came
from the jump scares.
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But the story itself was kind of
like eppy creepy tingly wingly
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creepy crawly.
Yeah.
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So I mean, I think a a good
place to go next in the
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conversation would be the not
performances, but more like the
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feeling of the movie.
Because something that Edgar
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does with his film is that he
can really tell that he cares
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about what is it the the emotion
that you feel when you see a
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scene or see a shot or see a
frame, how the camera moves and
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what's going on or not going on
in that shot.
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You can tell he really takes
care in that.
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There was moments of this where
I was like, that shot alone is a
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painting.
Like that is a beautiful shot.
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Specifically the one I think if
you haven't seen the movie, but
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it's in the trailer where Thomas
is walking to the carriage and
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the snow is falling.
So you have a lot of silhouette
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shots, but the way they play
with lighting and not lighting
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in this, it's just beautiful.
Yeah, I think that he played a
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lot with the feeling of being
trapped, being enclosed, light,
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dark, I even a lot.
I, I, I thought a lot about what
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he did with the sets in a way
or, or who he worked with to
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create that.
Because you see Thomas, you
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know, Thomas is very much
feeling like he's at the start
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of his adult life.
He's just got married and now
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he's going to make his first big
sale and he and his wife,
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they're going to be able to buy
a home and they're going to kind
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of have this extravagant life
that they've always wanted to.
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Of course, it doesn't go that
way, but we see them existing in
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that realm, right, with their
best friends, Friedrich and
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Anna.
And when you're in their home,
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it's super opulent, it's
colorful, it's lush.
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The clothing is very big and
bold and colorful and just even
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the textures and how much is
packed into one space.
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And then completely opposite of
that is when he gets to count
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Orlok's castle in Transylvania.
He is in a barren place.
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Yeah, it's definitely the way
they played with colors and
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lighting and lack of lighting
really didn't just show you kind
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of each color or character's
emotional state at the time, but
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who that character is.
And I, I did like that.
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I like when we got to see their
friend's house and it's like
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that's the life that they're
going to go to.
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Unfortunately, it didn't work
out for them.
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This horse had little girls.
That was terrifying.
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So you mentioned the the scare
factor, which I don't think it
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was scary in the traditional
sense.
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It was definitely unsettling and
it was more Gothic.
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Horror is a feeling and it's a
an atmosphere and an aesthetic
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and all the senses, right?
It doesn't necessarily have to
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be jump scary.
But like that scene with Orlok
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having those little girls and
then dropping, I was like, I
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would flip the fuck out.
Yeah, flip out.
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But so I like that.
I think that's a good point to
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see.
This is Orlok's home.
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This is like the life that
they're trying to get, but
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that's where they're going.
Yeah.
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And I think, and we see this
throughout the movie, you see
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this a lot with Nicholas Holt.
You see this a lot.
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You see this with Emma Koren.
There are these moments when
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they are facing or lock and they
are petrified and the camera
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pulls in so close to their face.
And the fear that is reading on
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their face is it If you're
looking into their eyes as the
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viewer and you let yourself go
over to the head, you can feel
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that fear as well.
Yeah, there there's a lot of
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moments of playing with sound,
playing with light, playing with
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the camera work where it really
does again, immerses you into
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this and you you're really
you're not trying to feel what
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they're feeling, but you can
like you get that wave of like
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despair, scared, ecstasy, kind
of what is going to happen.
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And it it was a really, I don't,
it's an interesting way to do a
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movie because in the span of 1
scene, a character can go from
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being completely happy to
petrified.
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And sometimes you think like,
oh, it's a different scene.
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It's not the range that these
characters can go through.
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Specifically with a Lily Depp.
I just let's get into
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performances like because I feel
like we keep trying to like get
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to it without getting to it.
But performances wise, should we
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start with a Lily?
Yeah, I think Lily, star of the
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show.
Lily Rose.
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Lily Rose Depp played Ellen.
I think I'm going to try to say
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that's like I don't really have
any like critiques about this
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movie.
There's like a silly one where I
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think Emma Corn's wig is like
really bad, but like that's like
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the silliest critique I I have.
The only other one that's like
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slight is I think Ellen's
character or Lily.
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Her acting was so good when she
was doing body work and
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expressing whatever emotion
that's really coming over her.
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Some of the the the dialogue and
lines I didn't believe until she
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like convulsed.
Does that make sense?
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Like it's not bad on her part.
I just I think, 'cause she was
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so animated that I was feeling
more on those moments then when
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she was.
Monologue, the delivery felt
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stronger in those moments when
it was met with action.
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I mean, I will say as far as
some of the dialogue, I mean it
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sometimes they would, it would
feel like I couldn't understand
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them.
And, you know, I don't know if
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it was because they were just
speaking quickly anyway.
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And but sometimes like there was
that part where they were
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talking to each other, they were
kind of like out on the Moors
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when Thomas was away.
They couldn't find him.
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And I was like, what are they
saying to each other?
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It was like, it almost felt like
a lot of mumbling.
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So I agree.
And some of those just regular
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conversational scenes, it felt
like it was a little lost.
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But I agree.
You know, a lot of the kind of
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unsettling nature was in her
body contortions and what she
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was doing.
And Speaking of levels, I mean,
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she had a very interesting line
to toe, right?
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She had to do someone who was
having nightmares and delusions
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and was supposed to be
frightened but also getting like
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having moments of ecstasy.
As well.
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So that was an interesting thing
to watch because you're watching
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it going like, I'm scared, no
wait, it's weird now.
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And Oh no, wait, I'm scared.
And it's sort of sexy, like So
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it was all over the place in
that way.
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Yeah, I like, I mean, I think
she did a fantastic job.
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And I think some of the horror
or the uncomfortableness came
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from that performance of her
because I mean, that moment with
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her and Thomas in the room where
she.
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It's like the infamous image
going around, like the meme, but
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like, well, yeah.
Well, it is funny when you take
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it out of context in the scene
itself because I had seen that
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meme going around before I
watched it.
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I was like, oh, this is going to
be so silly.
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I didn't feel that way in the
movie.
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There are sometimes where the
movie does feel kind of jokey
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or, you know, like, oh, was that
supposed to be serious?
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I didn't feel serious.
I think it's doing that on
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purpose.
Like it is.
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It feels like the 1922 version
of Nosferatu sometimes where
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it's like kind of silly.
Why is he standing like that?
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But that performance with her,
even though I know it's a joke
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on the in the real world, in it,
I was like, I don't like what's
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happening.
Like I feel very uncomfortable.
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Well, that whole scene was very
uncomfortable because.
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She does things with her body.
She does things with her body
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also.
She's there with her husband.
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They're finally reunited and
she's being torn between these
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two worlds of the world of where
she gets to be happy with
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Thomas, and then this other
darker world where, I mean, for
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lack of a better term, she sort
of belongs to Count Orlock,
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right?
And so she's the demon, she's
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the Angel, she's the demon,
she's the Angel.
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And we're we're seeing her go
through both of those.
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You know, I'm still trying to
work through what the movie is
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trying to say, but specifically
with Ellen because I she is the
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main focus of this movie.
And I feel like, you know,
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there's a lot to do with like
desire, possession, contract in
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in the literal sense and not
literal sense, but also like
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agency and consent.
I think is there's something
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there that I don't think that
I've been able to really
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pinpoint.
So I'm curious if you or even
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just a listener slash viewer is
there like, because it feels
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very much like any time she
started talking about like, this
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is like my desire.
This is the thing that I've had
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like he was able to fill a part
in me that my husband hadn't
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been able to fill before I met
my husband.
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You know what?
It's so like there's, it very
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much seems like this is her
nature and everybody around her
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kept trying to stop her from
doing that.
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So what you're saying is that
this is actually the original
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baby girl?
Yeah.
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Let her be a freak, yeah?
Totally.
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Well, I, I, I I don't know if
I'm able to pinpoint it either,
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but I see the theme that you're
talking about at.
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Least trying to.
Yes, yes.
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And I think that even when you
see how she's being treated,
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when she's having these bouts of
delusion or whatever they're
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calling them, right?
They put her in a corset, right?
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They knock her out, give her
more ether she they tie her up,
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you know, so it's like she's
losing all of her autonomy in
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all of those moments.
And then, you know, Willem Dafoe
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comes in, he's like, you morons.
I'm tired.
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I loved his character.
I mean, Willem Dafoe obviously
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coming in and he's a Edgar's
regular, so it was really fun to
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see.
His He's a regular.
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So it it was fun to see him
bring that comedic relief a
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little bit.
I mean, he's an eccentric on
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cultist, right?
He, he believes in Nosferatu.
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He knows about the thing, but
doesn't actually know about the
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thing.
He was right, but he's wrong.
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So it it was fun to see him in
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I liked what he brought to the
table.
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I really think Nicholas Holt did
a fantastic job as Thomas.
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He just has that quality about
him where it's like he can be
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formidable, but a lot of times
you just want him to be OK to
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like the Menu, this one journal
#2 all of these movies are just
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like he has that sad face when
he's in trouble.
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He.
Brings like a naivete to like
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everything that he does.
And I agree.
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I thought he was really good.
And you know, I this character
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is, is so interesting, right,
because the character of Thomas
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is so powerless the entire time,
but yet he's the one that is
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able to sign his wife over to
the count, right?
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So it's, again, this is kind of
on the theme of like a woman
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having autonomy in all senses
where, you know, ultimately at
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the end she's the one that has
all the power, but throughout
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the whole thing, she's the thing
that they're all playing with.
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Yeah, she she just had to be
able to make a choice one way or
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another.
She was the only one that could
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have made it.
You know, there there's other
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people in this movie like Ralph
Ennis, who is obviously the dad
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from the witch, the name I
couldn't remember last time I
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was talking, but also is going
to be playing Galactus.
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I'm very excited.
He has that voice.
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So he's in it.
Emma Corrin, who we mentioned is
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in it.
Fantastic.
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Oh OK, we have to talk about
Pill Skarsgard as Ortlock.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so I think if I didn't
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know he was in this movie, I
wouldn't have known he was
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Orlok.
And I think that's a testament
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to those cars Guard's ability,
and also the costuming and
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makeup artists, because they did
stuff with his face where it's
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just unrecognizable.
Not even the eyes.
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No, because I think when he
played Pennywise, we knew it was
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him because it still had his
eyes in a way.
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Yeah, this one, no.
No, not at all.
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And you know, he's a, he's a
towering figure in this and all
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the prosthetics.
I mean, I, I, I, I was thinking
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about how long he must have
spent in the chair to get ready
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for this, because in some scenes
it's full body makeup.
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I I kind of love for some reason
the addition of the mustache.
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I love it I.
Think, you know, it adds to his
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thirst and his unquenchable
thirst for blood because it
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stays in his in his and his
mustache and just like lingers
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there, you know, So I think it
like added almost like a soaking
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quality to him sucking their
blood.
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I Oh my God.
So one of the things that was
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the thing that I was missing as
I was saying, like what was
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like, what was the scary parts
of this?
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Like what did it make you feel?
The this movie, what I like that
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it did is it returned to form
for vampires.
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Like, this is like, you know,
there's the Twilight, there's
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the underworld, there's all
these things that kind of
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glamorized vampires and made
them sexy and made them like
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superheroes.
But it made leather.
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Right.
And what this does is it takes
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it back to like Vlad the
Impaler, right?
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It takes it back to Brom
Stoker's Dracula.
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And even just the way the sound
and the the act of sucking
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blood, how it's particularly
like right on the heart, right,
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But just the noises and the the
way his body would move when
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he's sucking the blood.
I just like so uncomfortable and
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you could feel it.
At least I did.
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I like felt it when he was doing
that.
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I was like, this is like, I this
scares me.
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And he's not really doing
anything.
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I don't know.
It was just, it was so well
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thought out to be like, let's
bring vampires a little like
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back.
Like he's disgusting.
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Yeah, make it more like
primordial or something, you
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know what I mean?
It's like, when you think of
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like Interview with a Vampire.
It's sexy, right?
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It's biting your neck.
It's sexy.
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It verges on, you know, sexual
desire.
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But when he's like mounted on
top of Thomas and drinking from
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his heart, it's animalistic.
Yeah, I didn't even make a gay
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joke like, because it wasn't
sexy.
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No, we were not hoping for a
threesome in this movie.
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But no, I mean, it's to your
point that it wasn't sexy
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because I was like, oh, yeah.
And I I want him to stop doing
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that to Thomas.
Yeah.
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You know, like please stop.
Yeah, and his clothes were not
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finely tailored Victorian garb.
It was like what he had sitting
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in the closet for centuries.
And I like the reasoning behind
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the mustache because one a lot
of people that time.
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At that time had mustaches, you
know, especially those long kind
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of big, almost mutton chops
looking mustaches.
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And I like that.
It's like if you look at Gary
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Oldman's Dracula and you look at
some of the other Draculas, it's
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like his Dracula stands out
because it's like it's
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different.
He has the hair, he's white.
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He's kind of like burnty
looking.
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And I like that Edgar's wanted
to give him something to stand
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out from the Nosferatu that we
know from either SpongeBob or
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1922.
So it's like, add the mustache.
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Yeah.
And it oddly really worked.
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I definitely think it did.
It made him very much, I don't
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know, there's there's this thing
about this character in that in
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a way he has to blend in, right?
So it's like he could blend in,
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but really underneath it all,
he's still a blood sucking
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beast.
You know, I do want to also talk
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about the character Knock,
played by Simon Mcburney.
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Our Renfield stand in.
Yes, he was wild.
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I mean, I think he got to have
the most fun on set all the
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time.
Well, he just acted bananas.
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Like he I love the scene after
he gets out of the jail I think
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he was in and he's just like
like runs.
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He runs on the street laughing.
So, so good.
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I mean, you can see it too, like
if you're watching this and
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you're like, I've seen this
movie before.
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It's it's because it's Dracula.
Like that's it was a an illegal
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version of Dracula that was
made.
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But I did like in the credits
for this that it shows that Bram
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Stoker was also a writer.
Yes.
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So it credits both of them, yes.
So it's like Edgar's kind of
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like put it together, which is
nice.
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Yeah, and why now?
It is interesting though.
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You had said this before, and
there were parts in it that
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like, we're a little silly,
we're a little funny.
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Why do you think Edgars put that
in there?
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Well, I think he was just, I, I
think he's not.
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There's no wink to the camera,
you know what I mean?
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I think they know what they're
doing.
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And it's like, that's just
almost what you expect.
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Like, it is goofy in a way, but
not like goofy, ha ha, just
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goofy.
And like, yeah, there's this
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dude that literally his skin is
peeling off of his skull, has a
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mustache and he's on a ship with
a bunch of rats brain in the
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plague.
Like it, it is like fantastical.
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I think what this movie does is
it brings like romanticism back
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to vampires because even the way
it was shot was very much in
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that scope.
So I think that's why he might
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have done that.
Yeah.
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You he again, he's the he's the
type of person that like, takes
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care and like even just how
people speak for that time.
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Like he coaches those people.
It's like very ingrained in his
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process.
And so I think he wanted to make
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sure I'm not going to diverge
too much from the story, but I'm
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going to give it my, my I, I
guess, flair, if you will.
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Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think he it, it
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never felt out of place to me.
I think because if it was all
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blood sucking mayhem the entire
time, I think that it would have
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been almost oppressive, right?
And so we were able to kind of
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every once in a while, like,
yeah, when you walk into a room
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and it's filled with thousands
of rats, just like the
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characters, you're gonna be
like, you know, and the amount
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of.
Rats in this movie, Oh my gosh,
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If you look at any of the behind
the scenes, I think Edgar's
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actually did a It might be New
York Times interview
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Heilergerman watching that.
It's very good.
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He goes really into depth with
what the process was to make
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this movie, but he also talks
about the rats and just the
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amount of rats that they used,
like most like not CGI like
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those were all real rat actors.
Ractors.
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Ractors So in the, in the scope
of the story, so we talked about
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performances, we talked about
the blood sucking and the feel
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of it.
The story itself.
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I it's very interesting because
it's almost like with the if I'm
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trying to put it into words,
it's like, almost like an abuser
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trying to come back into
somebody's life.
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You know what I mean?
Setting those ultimatums,
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setting like, I'm going to ruin
your life if you don't let me
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back in.
And again, this is Orlok to
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Ellen.
So it was, it was interesting to
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see that kind of monster be
like, I if you don't do this in
440
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three days, I'm going to like,
release a plague.
441
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,480
You just have to love me.
Yeah.
442
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,800
Yeah.
So I think there are certain
443
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,360
things in this movie where I
kind of, I tripped over them a
444
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:40,840
little bit.
They made me stumble a little
445
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,160
bit.
One of them is that there really
446
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,480
isn't a clear origin to Orlok
and Ellen, right?
447
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,440
There's this scene in the
beginning of a voices calling
448
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,480
out to her and she kind of is
like, oh, there you are.
449
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,360
Something I've been missing.
Yes, I give myself over to you.
450
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,760
That's all we get.
We don't know how it necessarily
451
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,840
started when she first heard
him, why she would really want
452
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,200
to give herself over to him.
So it's kind of like, OK, so
453
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,880
that thing happened, which is
the starting point for this
454
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,680
entire movie.
Then I don't know, he moves away
455
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,280
to Transylvania, and he's like,
you know, I've been thinking
456
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,440
about Ellen.
You know, he's like, he's just
457
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,640
coming back out of nowhere.
Yeah, I think there was a line.
458
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,920
I I believe we either missed it
or something.
459
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,720
But he says that he was pretty
much like locked away for a
460
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,280
little bit.
So whatever reason it was, I
461
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,320
mean, I'm, I don't know if it
was those, that village that was
462
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,400
outside of the castle that kind
of put him in his place for a
463
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,080
little bit.
He has, he always has to return
464
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,880
to the ground, which he came
from at night, hence the coffin.
465
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,560
Yeah.
I think it just kind of threw
466
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,640
you into the story.
I I like that, though, about
467
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,880
particularly Edgar's type of
storytelling and this type of
468
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,040
storytelling where it doesn't
give you a lot, like, it just,
469
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,280
it puts you in it like, yeah,
infer what you want, but like,
470
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,240
this is the story going forward.
That's fair.
471
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,160
It's kind of like the witch, you
know what I mean?
472
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,200
It's like, oh, the family was
kicked out of their community
473
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,840
for practicing this type of
religion.
474
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,960
We have no idea who that witch
was, you know, but that's what
475
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,000
the story.
He just lived in the forest.
476
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,520
I also realized that this is his
only movie so far without the in
477
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,840
the title.
The Witch, the lighthouse, the
478
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,840
Northman dude.
Where is the Anna Anya Taylor
479
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,080
Joy?
True.
480
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,320
They brought the Aaron Taylor
Johnson he.
481
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,680
Was in the last one or she was
in the last one.
482
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,480
Oh, I forgot about Aaron Taylor
Johnson and this.
483
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,160
He was fine.
Yeah, I know he he didn't.
484
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,760
It wasn't Craven.
Bad.
485
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,400
And it was like craving.
Good, no.
486
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,560
You weren't craving his craving.
No, they think he was fine,
487
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,680
Yeah.
I mean, that character in itself
488
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,520
is just kind of like he's the
antithesis to all of the
489
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,800
mythological things that they're
trying to explain.
490
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,280
And then at the end he was like,
oh, OK.
491
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,920
Oh, you're right.
The vampires ate my family and
492
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,280
then ate him.
He got the plague.
493
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,200
Something, yeah.
All right, they had to burn him
494
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,560
alive.
Not alive, Not alive.
495
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,200
Dude.
Oh yeah, he, he, he, he did
496
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,040
stuff with his dead wife.
I forgot he did to get burned
497
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,920
alive.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
498
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,480
So what?
Did you think about the story?
499
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,080
So the story itself, I think,
is, as you're saying, sort of a
500
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,120
typical vampire tale, right?
It's Twilight in the sense of
501
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,320
1000.
Year old vampire becomes
502
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,360
obsessed with a young woman with
dark hair.
503
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,680
He leaves for a long time.
Italy, Transylvania.
504
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:37,480
Only this one doesn't sparkle.
I don't like that I reject that
505
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,840
comparison, but it is true.
You mean Twilight is like this?
506
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,880
Not this is like Twilight.
I don't know. 1922.
507
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,560
Yes, but this is the Edgar's
version which came out in.
508
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,400
I'm kidding, obviously I'm
kidding.
509
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,400
They all have the same source
material in some sense.
510
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,840
Stephanie Meyer.
Exactly.
511
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,800
She had a dream of a vampire.
If you want to go back and
512
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,200
listen to our first episode
ever, we talk about the origin
513
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,880
of Twilight.
Don't ever go back.
514
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:09,680
I'm going to delete it after
this episode.
515
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,360
I can't believe we did that.
That's quarantine may have.
516
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,960
There's nothing coming out.
We there was a book that was it
517
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,120
that we had.
But as far as the story itself,
518
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,880
I think what are we talking
about?
519
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,040
That's right.
This Nosferatu I do think you
520
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:33,280
know as as a person who loves
seeing a woman in power, I think
521
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,400
it was upsetting that spoiler
spoiler spoiler at the end she
522
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,680
has to make the decision to give
up her own life for everyone
523
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,960
else.
Well, she, but she was, she did
524
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,840
that decision like the, I mean,
I think part of it is like she
525
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,320
should have the bodily autonomy
and the ability to give consent
526
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,320
whichever way she wanted.
I that is a good point.
527
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,560
And I did like that.
It wasn't like a man was
528
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,160
convincing her to do it.
She looked at the professor and
529
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,240
she was like, bro, I know what's
up.
530
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,760
It was more like she this entire
time without being able to put
531
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,560
into words and feelings of what
is going on because she's being
532
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:22,360
haunted and, you know, possessed
with these like, I don't know,
533
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,560
glamorous nightmares, I guess
you could call them of this
534
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,480
figure of.
This figure stop.
535
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,680
The amount of times that Derek
has been doing that in the
536
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:37,920
house, but she hasn't been able
to put it into words.
537
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,640
But I think when she was finally
able to understand or when
538
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,640
Dafoe's character was like,
somebody has to, like, make the
539
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,400
decision.
She's like, that's what I have
540
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,840
to do.
Like she's like, that's.
541
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,360
I know that that's me.
Yeah.
542
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,800
But I like that she was able to,
again, like, yeah, girl, like,
543
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,720
you probably shouldn't have
given your life up for Nicholas
544
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,040
Halt.
But like, she knew the man she
545
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,840
loved would die if she didn't
make this decision.
546
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,680
But she got to make the
decision, which I liked.
547
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,800
The whole ending scene was
beautiful and terrifying and
548
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,000
disgusting and sad, but so good.
Though when it ended, I went,
549
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,240
what?
It's ending there.
550
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,200
I did like that it ended there.
That I loved, actually.
551
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,800
There was no like, extended
epilogue scene to see how
552
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,360
Thomas, you know, made well for
himself.
553
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,400
It was like, no, we started with
this relationship.
554
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,600
We're ending with this
relationship one.
555
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,360
Fun fact, and I think it really
helped the movie was that it was
556
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,240
originally going to be set in
London, but they moved it to the
557
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,880
actual like typical place where
these old vampire stories took
558
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,640
place, which I think helped out
a lot.
559
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,840
Yeah.
So that's the last fun fact I
560
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:45,520
have to say about this.
I.
561
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,080
Loved it.
Thank you for that little,
562
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,720
little egg.
You're welcome.
563
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,320
Stop.
You're like trying to make puns
564
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,720
with his name a little.
Easter egg.
565
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,880
So let us know what you thought
of no swaratu.
566
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,240
Did you like it?
Did you not like it?
567
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,600
Did you get scared?
Would you say no swaratu or yes,
568
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,920
swaratu?
I'm getting it tonight.
569
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,480
I feel like, I feel like I'm,
I'm in the basement apartment
570
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,280
again.
I feel like I'm really, I'm
571
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,200
really, really nailing it,
nailing it, nailing it.
572
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,640
All right, so till next.
Nailing it.
573
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,240
Oh, look who's back.
I should have worn my witch.
574
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,720
Finger you should have those are
orloc fingers at this point.
575
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,840
OK, so till next time, bye.
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Welcome to a Bite of We're
Talking about notes for R2.
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I'm don't.
You didn't say your name.
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No, that's fine.
Oh, hi.
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I'm Derek.
That's Noah.
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Noah Speratu.
Good job.
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Yeah.
Wow.
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OK, So yeah, let's let that be
the intro.
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Why not?
We've had coffee and it's way
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too late to be having coffee, so
that's probably what was
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happening.
Nosferatu or Nosferatu?
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How was people saying it?
I feel like it's a Thanos,
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Thanos type thing, you know?
This almost sounds the same, but
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to the trained ear there's a
difference.
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Bill Skarsgard should know what
that is.
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Yeah.
So we're talking Robert Edgar's
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newest entry into his dark
gothic verse.
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I should say Nosferatu.
We're kind of making up for our
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holiday break because all of
these movies decided to come
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out.
Yes.
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When we're on break, award
season is upon us.
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So keep an eye out for some
award pods coming up.
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We're on it.
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That's right.
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We would love to talk to you
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would be nice.
Yeah, because I we're just
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talking to each other, but we're
talking to you.
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We just want to know that you're
happy, hopefully happy.
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We're also continuing our trend
of not typical holiday movies
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that have come out.
So we had horny holidays and now
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we have.
Horror holidays.
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Different kind of horny, that's
true.
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Also sexy.
And of course, spoiler alert.
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I would say spoiler alert and
trigger warning, right?
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This does heavily deal with sex
and abuse kind of.
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So warnings ahead, we're going
into the darkness.
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Let us officially take a bite of
Nosferatu.
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Written and directed by Robert
Eggers.
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Haunted by visions of a deathly
shadow, Ellen has recently found
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happiness with her new husband,
Thomas.
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On the hunt for his first
property sale, Thomas is tasked
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with selling a home to a
mysterious buyer in
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Transylvania.
Once he arrives, he is warned of
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an ungodly creature that lives
in the castle.
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He unknowingly releases a plague
on his home and his wife.
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Sorry, Thomas.
So what did you think?
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OK, general thoughts up top,
it's Robert Eggers.
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He's one of the best in the
industry right now.
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I think with immersion, with
really taking care with what he
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has on every single shot and
screen.
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I'm a huge fan of Robert Eggers.
Ever since the Witch, I have
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been sold.
I will, I want to live
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deliciously.
I will succumb to the darkness.
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I will go to that lighthouse.
Anything he wants me to do or in
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transport me into I will be
there.
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Yeah, this is definitely a Noah
film, right?
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You love gothic horror.
You love new takes on old
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properties, especially done by
masters of the craft.
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So this was 100% of Noah film.
Yeah, I was really excited to
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see what he was going to do with
Nosferatu because as we know,
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Nosferatu is a kind of, it was,
let's say, a copyrighted version
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of Dracula.
Like it wasn't supposed to come
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out and they made them,
destroyed the copies.
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So the only copies we have were
illegal copies.
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Oh my gosh.
Which is crazy.
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That is crazy.
It's a version of a story and
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he's doing the version of kind
of both of them together.
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I was curious to see how he was
going to do it.
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I will say for his kind of
stories and him doing AI guess
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retelling a remake.
It was very by the book for
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those stories because I wasn't
sure where he was going to go.
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And I was like, oh, he did all
the beats of Nosferatu slash
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kind of weaving Dracula in there
as well.
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So I was happy with that.
I liked it.
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I I thought it was really well
done.
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Well.
Crafted.
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Yeah, I, I feel like I learned a
lot from this film.
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I think I learned not to sign
documents that are in a
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different language.
I learned that if I travel to a
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place and an entire town of
people are saying don't go to
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that creepy place, maybe I
shouldn't go to it.
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Also, if I'm feeling
uncomfortable in a situation,
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leave.
This is all Thomas.
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Thomas really needed to learn a
lot.
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He didn't learn enough soon
enough.
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But other than it's educational
factors, it was really good.
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I mean, I was thoroughly
entertained.
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I kind of feel like lately I've
been going into viewing things
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blindly and enjoying the
experience, not really expecting
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anything.
I mean, I think on some level I
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was expecting something really
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I think it had moments of scare.
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I think the scare really came
from the jump scares.
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But the story itself was kind of
like eppy creepy tingly wingly
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creepy crawly.
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So I mean, I think a a good
place to go next in the
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conversation would be the not
performances, but more like the
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feeling of the movie.
Because something that Edgar
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does with his film is that he
can really tell that he cares
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about what is it the the emotion
that you feel when you see a
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scene or see a shot or see a
frame, how the camera moves and
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what's going on or not going on
in that shot.
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You can tell he really takes
care in that.
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There was moments of this where
I was like, that shot alone is a
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painting.
Like that is a beautiful shot.
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Specifically the one I think if
you haven't seen the movie, but
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it's in the trailer where Thomas
is walking to the carriage and
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the snow is falling.
So you have a lot of silhouette
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shots, but the way they play
with lighting and not lighting
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in this, it's just beautiful.
Yeah, I think that he played a
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lot with the feeling of being
trapped, being enclosed, light,
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dark, I even a lot.
I, I, I thought a lot about what
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he did with the sets in a way
or, or who he worked with to
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create that.
Because you see Thomas, you
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know, Thomas is very much
feeling like he's at the start
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of his adult life.
He's just got married and now
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he's going to make his first big
sale and he and his wife,
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they're going to be able to buy
a home and they're going to kind
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of have this extravagant life
that they've always wanted to.
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Of course, it doesn't go that
way, but we see them existing in
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that realm, right, with their
best friends, Friedrich and
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Anna.
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it's super opulent, it's
colorful, it's lush.
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bold and colorful and just even
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the textures and how much is
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Orlok's castle in Transylvania.
He is in a barren place.
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lighting and lack of lighting
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of each color or character's
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who that character is.
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I like when we got to see their
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that's the life that they're
going to go to.
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Unfortunately, it didn't work
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This horse had little girls.
That was terrifying.
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So you mentioned the the scare
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was scary in the traditional
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It was definitely unsettling and
it was more Gothic.
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Horror is a feeling and it's a
an atmosphere and an aesthetic
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and all the senses, right?
It doesn't necessarily have to
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be jump scary.
But like that scene with Orlok
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having those little girls and
then dropping, I was like, I
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would flip the fuck out.
Yeah, flip out.
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I think that's a good point to
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This is Orlok's home.
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This is like the life that
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that's where they're going.
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this a lot with Nicholas Holt.
You see this a lot.
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You see this with Emma Koren.
There are these moments when
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they are facing or lock and they
are petrified and the camera
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pulls in so close to their face.
And the fear that is reading on
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their face is it If you're
looking into their eyes as the
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viewer and you let yourself go
over to the head, you can feel
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that fear as well.
Yeah, there there's a lot of
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moments of playing with sound,
playing with light, playing with
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the camera work where it really
does again, immerses you into
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this and you you're really
you're not trying to feel what
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they're feeling, but you can
like you get that wave of like
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despair, scared, ecstasy, kind
of what is going to happen.
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And it it was a really, I don't,
it's an interesting way to do a
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movie because in the span of 1
scene, a character can go from
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being completely happy to
petrified.
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oh, it's a different scene.
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It's not the range that these
characters can go through.
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Specifically with a Lily Depp.
I just let's get into
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performances like because I feel
like we keep trying to like get
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to it without getting to it.
But performances wise, should we
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start with a Lily?
Yeah, I think Lily, star of the
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show.
Lily Rose.
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Lily Rose Depp played Ellen.
I think I'm going to try to say
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that's like I don't really have
any like critiques about this
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movie.
There's like a silly one where I
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think Emma Corn's wig is like
really bad, but like that's like
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the silliest critique I I have.
The only other one that's like
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slight is I think Ellen's
character or Lily.
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Her acting was so good when she
was doing body work and
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expressing whatever emotion
that's really coming over her.
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Some of the the the dialogue and
lines I didn't believe until she
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like convulsed.
Does that make sense?
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Like it's not bad on her part.
I just I think, 'cause she was
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so animated that I was feeling
more on those moments then when
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she was.
Monologue, the delivery felt
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stronger in those moments when
it was met with action.
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I mean, I will say as far as
some of the dialogue, I mean it
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sometimes they would, it would
feel like I couldn't understand
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them.
And, you know, I don't know if
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it was because they were just
speaking quickly anyway.
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And but sometimes like there was
that part where they were
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talking to each other, they were
kind of like out on the Moors
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when Thomas was away.
They couldn't find him.
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And I was like, what are they
saying to each other?
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It was like, it almost felt like
a lot of mumbling.
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So I agree.
And some of those just regular
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conversational scenes, it felt
like it was a little lost.
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You know, a lot of the kind of
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unsettling nature was in her
body contortions and what she
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was doing.
And Speaking of levels, I mean,
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she had a very interesting line
to toe, right?
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She had to do someone who was
having nightmares and delusions
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and was supposed to be
frightened but also getting like
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having moments of ecstasy.
As well.
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So that was an interesting thing
to watch because you're watching
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it going like, I'm scared, no
wait, it's weird now.
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And Oh no, wait, I'm scared.
And it's sort of sexy, like So
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it was all over the place in
that way.
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Yeah, I like, I mean, I think
she did a fantastic job.
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or the uncomfortableness came
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from that performance of her
because I mean, that moment with
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her and Thomas in the room where
she.
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It's like the infamous image
going around, like the meme, but
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like, well, yeah.
Well, it is funny when you take
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it out of context in the scene
itself because I had seen that
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meme going around before I
watched it.
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I was like, oh, this is going to
be so silly.
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I didn't feel that way in the
movie.
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There are sometimes where the
movie does feel kind of jokey
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or, you know, like, oh, was that
supposed to be serious?
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I didn't feel serious.
I think it's doing that on
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purpose.
Like it is.
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It feels like the 1922 version
of Nosferatu sometimes where
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it's like kind of silly.
Why is he standing like that?
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But that performance with her,
even though I know it's a joke
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on the in the real world, in it,
I was like, I don't like what's
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happening.
Like I feel very uncomfortable.
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Well, that whole scene was very
uncomfortable because.
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She does things with her body.
She does things with her body
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also.
She's there with her husband.
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They're finally reunited and
she's being torn between these
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two worlds of the world of where
she gets to be happy with
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Thomas, and then this other
darker world where, I mean, for
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lack of a better term, she sort
of belongs to Count Orlock,
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right?
And so she's the demon, she's
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the Angel, she's the demon,
she's the Angel.
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And we're we're seeing her go
through both of those.
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You know, I'm still trying to
work through what the movie is
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trying to say, but specifically
with Ellen because I she is the
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main focus of this movie.
And I feel like, you know,
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there's a lot to do with like
desire, possession, contract in
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in the literal sense and not
literal sense, but also like
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agency and consent.
I think is there's something
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there that I don't think that
I've been able to really
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pinpoint.
So I'm curious if you or even
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just a listener slash viewer is
there like, because it feels
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very much like any time she
started talking about like, this
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is like my desire.
This is the thing that I've had
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like he was able to fill a part
in me that my husband hadn't
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been able to fill before I met
my husband.
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You know what?
It's so like there's, it very
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much seems like this is her
nature and everybody around her
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kept trying to stop her from
doing that.
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So what you're saying is that
this is actually the original
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baby girl?
Yeah.
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Let her be a freak, yeah?
Totally.
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Well, I, I, I I don't know if
I'm able to pinpoint it either,
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but I see the theme that you're
talking about at.
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Least trying to.
Yes, yes.
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And I think that even when you
see how she's being treated,
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when she's having these bouts of
delusion or whatever they're
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calling them, right?
They put her in a corset, right?
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They knock her out, give her
more ether she they tie her up,
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you know, so it's like she's
losing all of her autonomy in
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all of those moments.
And then, you know, Willem Dafoe
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comes in, he's like, you morons.
I'm tired.
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I loved his character.
I mean, Willem Dafoe obviously
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coming in and he's a Edgar's
regular, so it was really fun to
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see.
His He's a regular.
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So it it was fun to see him
bring that comedic relief a
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little bit.
I mean, he's an eccentric on
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cultist, right?
He, he believes in Nosferatu.
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He knows about the thing, but
doesn't actually know about the
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thing.
He was right, but he's wrong.
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So it it was fun to see him in
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I liked what he brought to the
table.
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I really think Nicholas Holt did
a fantastic job as Thomas.
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He just has that quality about
him where it's like he can be
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formidable, but a lot of times
you just want him to be OK to
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like the Menu, this one journal
#2 all of these movies are just
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like he has that sad face when
he's in trouble.
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He.
Brings like a naivete to like
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everything that he does.
And I agree.
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I thought he was really good.
And you know, I this character
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is, is so interesting, right,
because the character of Thomas
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is so powerless the entire time,
but yet he's the one that is
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able to sign his wife over to
the count, right?
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So it's, again, this is kind of
on the theme of like a woman
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having autonomy in all senses
where, you know, ultimately at
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the end she's the one that has
all the power, but throughout
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the whole thing, she's the thing
that they're all playing with.
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Yeah, she she just had to be
able to make a choice one way or
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another.
She was the only one that could
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have made it.
You know, there there's other
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people in this movie like Ralph
Ennis, who is obviously the dad
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from the witch, the name I
couldn't remember last time I
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was talking, but also is going
to be playing Galactus.
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I'm very excited.
He has that voice.
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So he's in it.
Emma Corrin, who we mentioned is
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in it.
Fantastic.
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Oh OK, we have to talk about
Pill Skarsgard as Ortlock.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so I think if I didn't
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know he was in this movie, I
wouldn't have known he was
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Orlok.
And I think that's a testament
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to those cars Guard's ability,
and also the costuming and
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makeup artists, because they did
stuff with his face where it's
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just unrecognizable.
Not even the eyes.
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No, because I think when he
played Pennywise, we knew it was
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him because it still had his
eyes in a way.
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Yeah, this one, no.
No, not at all.
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And you know, he's a, he's a
towering figure in this and all
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the prosthetics.
I mean, I, I, I, I was thinking
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about how long he must have
spent in the chair to get ready
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for this, because in some scenes
it's full body makeup.
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I I kind of love for some reason
the addition of the mustache.
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I love it I.
Think, you know, it adds to his
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thirst and his unquenchable
thirst for blood because it
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stays in his in his and his
mustache and just like lingers
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there, you know, So I think it
like added almost like a soaking
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quality to him sucking their
blood.
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I Oh my God.
So one of the things that was
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the thing that I was missing as
I was saying, like what was
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like, what was the scary parts
of this?
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Like what did it make you feel?
The this movie, what I like that
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it did is it returned to form
for vampires.
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Like, this is like, you know,
there's the Twilight, there's
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the underworld, there's all
these things that kind of
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glamorized vampires and made
them sexy and made them like
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superheroes.
But it made leather.
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Right.
And what this does is it takes
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it back to like Vlad the
Impaler, right?
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It takes it back to Brom
Stoker's Dracula.
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And even just the way the sound
and the the act of sucking
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blood, how it's particularly
like right on the heart, right,
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But just the noises and the the
way his body would move when
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he's sucking the blood.
I just like so uncomfortable and
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you could feel it.
At least I did.
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I like felt it when he was doing
that.
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I was like, this is like, I this
scares me.
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And he's not really doing
anything.
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I don't know.
It was just, it was so well
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thought out to be like, let's
bring vampires a little like
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back.
Like he's disgusting.
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Yeah, make it more like
primordial or something, you
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know what I mean?
It's like, when you think of
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like Interview with a Vampire.
It's sexy, right?
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It's biting your neck.
It's sexy.
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It verges on, you know, sexual
desire.
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But when he's like mounted on
top of Thomas and drinking from
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his heart, it's animalistic.
Yeah, I didn't even make a gay
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joke like, because it wasn't
sexy.
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No, we were not hoping for a
threesome in this movie.
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But no, I mean, it's to your
point that it wasn't sexy
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because I was like, oh, yeah.
And I I want him to stop doing
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that to Thomas.
Yeah.
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You know, like please stop.
Yeah, and his clothes were not
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finely tailored Victorian garb.
It was like what he had sitting
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in the closet for centuries.
And I like the reasoning behind
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the mustache because one a lot
of people that time.
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At that time had mustaches, you
know, especially those long kind
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of big, almost mutton chops
looking mustaches.
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And I like that.
It's like if you look at Gary
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Oldman's Dracula and you look at
some of the other Draculas, it's
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like his Dracula stands out
because it's like it's
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different.
He has the hair, he's white.
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He's kind of like burnty
looking.
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And I like that Edgar's wanted
to give him something to stand
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out from the Nosferatu that we
know from either SpongeBob or
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1922.
So it's like, add the mustache.
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Yeah.
And it oddly really worked.
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I definitely think it did.
It made him very much, I don't
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know, there's there's this thing
about this character in that in
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a way he has to blend in, right?
So it's like he could blend in,
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but really underneath it all,
he's still a blood sucking
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beast.
You know, I do want to also talk
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about the character Knock,
played by Simon Mcburney.
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Our Renfield stand in.
Yes, he was wild.
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I mean, I think he got to have
the most fun on set all the
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time.
Well, he just acted bananas.
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Like he I love the scene after
he gets out of the jail I think
381
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he was in and he's just like
like runs.
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He runs on the street laughing.
So, so good.
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I mean, you can see it too, like
if you're watching this and
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you're like, I've seen this
movie before.
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It's it's because it's Dracula.
Like that's it was a an illegal
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version of Dracula that was
made.
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But I did like in the credits
for this that it shows that Bram
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Stoker was also a writer.
Yes.
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So it credits both of them, yes.
So it's like Edgar's kind of
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like put it together, which is
nice.
391
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Yeah, and why now?
It is interesting though.
392
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You had said this before, and
there were parts in it that
393
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like, we're a little silly,
we're a little funny.
394
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Why do you think Edgars put that
in there?
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Well, I think he was just, I, I
think he's not.
396
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There's no wink to the camera,
you know what I mean?
397
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I think they know what they're
doing.
398
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And it's like, that's just
almost what you expect.
399
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Like, it is goofy in a way, but
not like goofy, ha ha, just
400
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goofy.
And like, yeah, there's this
401
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dude that literally his skin is
peeling off of his skull, has a
402
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mustache and he's on a ship with
a bunch of rats brain in the
403
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plague.
Like it, it is like fantastical.
404
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I think what this movie does is
it brings like romanticism back
405
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to vampires because even the way
it was shot was very much in
406
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that scope.
So I think that's why he might
407
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have done that.
Yeah.
408
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You he again, he's the he's the
type of person that like, takes
409
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care and like even just how
people speak for that time.
410
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Like he coaches those people.
It's like very ingrained in his
411
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process.
And so I think he wanted to make
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sure I'm not going to diverge
too much from the story, but I'm
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going to give it my, my I, I
guess, flair, if you will.
414
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Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think he it, it
415
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never felt out of place to me.
I think because if it was all
416
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blood sucking mayhem the entire
time, I think that it would have
417
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been almost oppressive, right?
And so we were able to kind of
418
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every once in a while, like,
yeah, when you walk into a room
419
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and it's filled with thousands
of rats, just like the
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characters, you're gonna be
like, you know, and the amount
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of.
Rats in this movie, Oh my gosh,
422
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If you look at any of the behind
the scenes, I think Edgar's
423
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actually did a It might be New
York Times interview
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Heilergerman watching that.
It's very good.
425
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He goes really into depth with
what the process was to make
426
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this movie, but he also talks
about the rats and just the
427
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amount of rats that they used,
like most like not CGI like
428
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those were all real rat actors.
Ractors.
429
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Ractors So in the, in the scope
of the story, so we talked about
430
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performances, we talked about
the blood sucking and the feel
431
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of it.
The story itself.
432
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I it's very interesting because
it's almost like with the if I'm
433
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,680
trying to put it into words,
it's like, almost like an abuser
434
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trying to come back into
somebody's life.
435
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,600
You know what I mean?
Setting those ultimatums,
436
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,240
setting like, I'm going to ruin
your life if you don't let me
437
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back in.
And again, this is Orlok to
438
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Ellen.
So it was, it was interesting to
439
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:28,560
see that kind of monster be
like, I if you don't do this in
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three days, I'm going to like,
release a plague.
441
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,480
You just have to love me.
Yeah.
442
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,800
Yeah.
So I think there are certain
443
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things in this movie where I
kind of, I tripped over them a
444
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little bit.
They made me stumble a little
445
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bit.
One of them is that there really
446
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,480
isn't a clear origin to Orlok
and Ellen, right?
447
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There's this scene in the
beginning of a voices calling
448
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out to her and she kind of is
like, oh, there you are.
449
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Something I've been missing.
Yes, I give myself over to you.
450
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That's all we get.
We don't know how it necessarily
451
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started when she first heard
him, why she would really want
452
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to give herself over to him.
So it's kind of like, OK, so
453
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that thing happened, which is
the starting point for this
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entire movie.
Then I don't know, he moves away
455
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to Transylvania, and he's like,
you know, I've been thinking
456
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about Ellen.
You know, he's like, he's just
457
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,640
coming back out of nowhere.
Yeah, I think there was a line.
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I I believe we either missed it
or something.
459
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But he says that he was pretty
much like locked away for a
460
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little bit.
So whatever reason it was, I
461
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mean, I'm, I don't know if it
was those, that village that was
462
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outside of the castle that kind
of put him in his place for a
463
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little bit.
He has, he always has to return
464
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to the ground, which he came
from at night, hence the coffin.
465
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Yeah.
I think it just kind of threw
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you into the story.
I I like that, though, about
467
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particularly Edgar's type of
storytelling and this type of
468
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storytelling where it doesn't
give you a lot, like, it just,
469
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it puts you in it like, yeah,
infer what you want, but like,
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this is the story going forward.
That's fair.
471
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It's kind of like the witch, you
know what I mean?
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It's like, oh, the family was
kicked out of their community
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for practicing this type of
religion.
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We have no idea who that witch
was, you know, but that's what
475
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the story.
He just lived in the forest.
476
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I also realized that this is his
only movie so far without the in
477
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the title.
The Witch, the lighthouse, the
478
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Northman dude.
Where is the Anna Anya Taylor
479
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Joy?
True.
480
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They brought the Aaron Taylor
Johnson he.
481
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Was in the last one or she was
in the last one.
482
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Oh, I forgot about Aaron Taylor
Johnson and this.
483
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He was fine.
Yeah, I know he he didn't.
484
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It wasn't Craven.
Bad.
485
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And it was like craving.
Good, no.
486
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You weren't craving his craving.
No, they think he was fine,
487
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Yeah.
I mean, that character in itself
488
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is just kind of like he's the
antithesis to all of the
489
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mythological things that they're
trying to explain.
490
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And then at the end he was like,
oh, OK.
491
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,920
Oh, you're right.
The vampires ate my family and
492
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then ate him.
He got the plague.
493
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Something, yeah.
All right, they had to burn him
494
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alive.
Not alive, Not alive.
495
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,200
Dude.
Oh yeah, he, he, he, he did
496
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stuff with his dead wife.
I forgot he did to get burned
497
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alive.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
498
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,480
So what?
Did you think about the story?
499
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So the story itself, I think,
is, as you're saying, sort of a
500
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typical vampire tale, right?
It's Twilight in the sense of
501
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,320
1000.
Year old vampire becomes
502
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,360
obsessed with a young woman with
dark hair.
503
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,680
He leaves for a long time.
Italy, Transylvania.
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Only this one doesn't sparkle.
I don't like that I reject that
505
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,840
comparison, but it is true.
You mean Twilight is like this?
506
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,880
Not this is like Twilight.
I don't know. 1922.
507
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,560
Yes, but this is the Edgar's
version which came out in.
508
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,400
I'm kidding, obviously I'm
kidding.
509
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,400
They all have the same source
material in some sense.
510
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,840
Stephanie Meyer.
Exactly.
511
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She had a dream of a vampire.
If you want to go back and
512
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,200
listen to our first episode
ever, we talk about the origin
513
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of Twilight.
Don't ever go back.
514
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I'm going to delete it after
this episode.
515
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,360
I can't believe we did that.
That's quarantine may have.
516
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There's nothing coming out.
We there was a book that was it
517
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that we had.
But as far as the story itself,
518
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,880
I think what are we talking
about?
519
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,040
That's right.
This Nosferatu I do think you
520
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:33,280
know as as a person who loves
seeing a woman in power, I think
521
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it was upsetting that spoiler
spoiler spoiler at the end she
522
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,680
has to make the decision to give
up her own life for everyone
523
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else.
Well, she, but she was, she did
524
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,840
that decision like the, I mean,
I think part of it is like she
525
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,320
should have the bodily autonomy
and the ability to give consent
526
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whichever way she wanted.
I that is a good point.
527
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,560
And I did like that.
It wasn't like a man was
528
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,160
convincing her to do it.
She looked at the professor and
529
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,240
she was like, bro, I know what's
up.
530
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,760
It was more like she this entire
time without being able to put
531
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,560
into words and feelings of what
is going on because she's being
532
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:22,360
haunted and, you know, possessed
with these like, I don't know,
533
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,560
glamorous nightmares, I guess
you could call them of this
534
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,480
figure of.
This figure stop.
535
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,680
The amount of times that Derek
has been doing that in the
536
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:37,920
house, but she hasn't been able
to put it into words.
537
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,640
But I think when she was finally
able to understand or when
538
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,640
Dafoe's character was like,
somebody has to, like, make the
539
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,400
decision.
She's like, that's what I have
540
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,840
to do.
Like she's like, that's.
541
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,360
I know that that's me.
Yeah.
542
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,800
But I like that she was able to,
again, like, yeah, girl, like,
543
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,720
you probably shouldn't have
given your life up for Nicholas
544
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,040
Halt.
But like, she knew the man she
545
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,840
loved would die if she didn't
make this decision.
546
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,680
But she got to make the
decision, which I liked.
547
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,800
The whole ending scene was
beautiful and terrifying and
548
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,000
disgusting and sad, but so good.
Though when it ended, I went,
549
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,240
what?
It's ending there.
550
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,200
I did like that it ended there.
That I loved, actually.
551
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,800
There was no like, extended
epilogue scene to see how
552
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,360
Thomas, you know, made well for
himself.
553
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,400
It was like, no, we started with
this relationship.
554
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,600
We're ending with this
relationship one.
555
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,360
Fun fact, and I think it really
helped the movie was that it was
556
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,240
originally going to be set in
London, but they moved it to the
557
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,880
actual like typical place where
these old vampire stories took
558
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,640
place, which I think helped out
a lot.
559
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,840
Yeah.
So that's the last fun fact I
560
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:45,520
have to say about this.
I.
561
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,080
Loved it.
Thank you for that little,
562
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,720
little egg.
You're welcome.
563
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,320
Stop.
You're like trying to make puns
564
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,720
with his name a little.
Easter egg.
565
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,880
So let us know what you thought
of no swaratu.
566
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,240
Did you like it?
Did you not like it?
567
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,600
Did you get scared?
Would you say no swaratu or yes,
568
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,920
swaratu?
I'm getting it tonight.
569
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,480
I feel like, I feel like I'm,
I'm in the basement apartment
570
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,280
again.
I feel like I'm really, I'm
571
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,200
really, really nailing it,
nailing it, nailing it.
572
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,640
All right, so till next.
Nailing it.
573
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,240
Oh, look who's back.
I should have worn my witch.
574
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,720
Finger you should have those are
orloc fingers at this point.
575
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,840
OK, so till next time, bye.
