'Queer' Movie Review

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Hey everyone, and welcome to a
bite of we're we're tripping

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balls talking about queer.
I'm Derek.

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That's Noah.
Let's get into this wild and

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wacky movie.
OK, how it That was a very

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unconventional intro for a very
unconventional movie.

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There you go.
See, Noah always knows what I'm

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talking about.
I'm I hope I do.

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I always strive to queer.
We're talking about queer.

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I think we would be not our
podcast if we didn't talk about

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a movie with Daniel Craig and
queer.

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You know, both of those things
together, I think really fit

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what this podcast is all about.
I agree.

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A. 100%.
Self loathing addiction, you

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know.
That's that's us.

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Whoa.
Well, the last episode we cried

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a whole bunch.
This episode, I don't think

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they'll be any tears.
You don't know.

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Oh, let's see what happens at
the end of this.

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That's.
True.

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Are we tripping on whatever it
was?

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Balls.
Balls.

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Yeah, you said.
What they What was it called in

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the movie?
Queer.

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No, the drug.
It's ayahuasca.

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Ayahuasca.
Yeah, but they called it

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something else.
Yeah.

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Hey.
Yeah.

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Hey, Thank you.
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So spoilers ahead.

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For Queer.
So let us officially take a bite

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of Queer, written by Justin
Kuritsky's and directed by Luca

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Guadagnino.
Based on the book by William S

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Burroughs ex.
Pat Lee spends his days in

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Mexico imbibing while fawning
over young men at the local

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bars.
He is entranced by a new

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handsome face in Eugene and
begins to have an affair with

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him, all while balancing the
question is he queer?

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Also drugs I.
Mean.

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Yeah, that sums it up, right.
Before we get into our like

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review, you actually had a very
cool experience with this movie.

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Some would say a queer
experience.

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Queer.
Yeah, 824 invited me to a

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screening and slashed a
conversation reception with

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Daniel Craig and the writer.
It was great.

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It was fun.
I mean, a bucket list item

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checked.
I got to meet him, hug him, chat

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with him for like 3:00-ish
minutes.

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I still don't understand the hug
part.

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Where did that come from?
He's just that.

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Kind of guy he's.
Just that kind of guy.

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He really is like, I mean, of
course I wasn't the only one he

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hugged.
I saw, he hugged other people.

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But he's just fantastic.
And seeing a movie like this and

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then meeting the person that
played Lee, it's you get to

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appreciate acting a little more
because he is nothing like

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obviously this character into
just to see him embody that and

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then to see who he is as a
person and in like an

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environment where you're
drinking and hanging out was was

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an interesting way to, I guess,
watch this film.

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But yeah, that was my fun little
experience.

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It's so cool.
I mean, as we've spoken about

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before, Noah is a huge James
Bond fan.

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So the fact that you hugged a
James Bond is just stellar in my

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book.
I try not to think about it too

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much because it's like, yeah, I
did, Yeah, whatever.

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The movie The way to lead us.
On I did.

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Dot dot dot.
So what did you think about the

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movie?
It was completely not what I

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expected, right?
So just in short, this was a

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it's based on a book by William
S Burrows that was written in

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the 50s, actually published in
the 80s and now made into a

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movie in 2024.
And so I knew I was going to be

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dealing with some like deep
seated, you know, feelings on

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what it meant to be queer in
that time.

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But the way it was executed and
some of the other themes that

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were kind of slipped into this
left me just completely

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discombobulated, just trying to
figure out like, what was it

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that they were trying to say
with this film?

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And I'm still not sure.
I mean, I so I feel like people

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might go into this movie with
different expectations of what

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this movie is trying to talk
about.

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Because this movie, even though
it is about the queer

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experience, especially of the
era, you know, this is the

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McCarthy era, this is the
Lavender Scare era, right?

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It's like people were getting
fired and barred and everything

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just for being queer and thrown
in jail.

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So it does come from a different
time and this movie feels that

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way.
I think that's one of the things

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that I liked the most about it,
is that it felt like a movie of

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a different era, but still
relatable in some way.

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It felt like a movie from a
different era.

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It felt like the story itself
was from a different era, but

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the execution of telling the
story was from an era we haven't

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experienced yet, right?
Does that make sense?

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If you like when we said like
we're tripping balls while watch

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like on the episode, that's what
you feel like in this.

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Because I mean within this
grander scheme of him

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experiencing what it means to be
queer and escaping to Mexico to

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survive for many reasons, he's
also addicted to opiates.

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Well, and I think that's what
this movie is about, addiction

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in desire and also literal
addiction.

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And when you read a William S
Burroughs book or when you go to

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one of his stories, you don't go
for a happy time, right?

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You go for self loathing.
You go for I'm not queer, but I

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will partake in all of those
activities, but I'm not

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effeminate in any way.
And so you have this character

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of Lee, who is very much William
S Burroughs, right?

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This it's it's a well known fact
that this is like an pseudo

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autobiographical story and
that's what how he writes his

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stories.
And it's also not finished.

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This book was never finished.
It was torn up, not torn apart

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literally, but it was dissected
and moved and parts of it were

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moved into junkie.
So it's like it's a mishmash,

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right.
So knowing that it wasn't

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finished, I, I wasn't expecting
a full, complete story, but it

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was a very interesting look at
male desire and addiction, and I

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didn't hate it.
I feel like it's not going to be

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an accessible movie, and that's
fair.

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And I'm very curious of what
other generations think about

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this queer experience in this
movie.

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I think, but you know, I think
that I kind of went into it

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thinking like, oh, it's going to
be a tearjerker.

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I'm going to feel like so moved
by this.

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I was moved, but not in that
direction emotionally.

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It's not, yeah.
It's not as a sad movie that you

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would expect a queer movie to
be.

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Yeah, I think that's what media
has trained us, right?

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It's like it's not a funny
looking gay movie so it has to

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be sad.
Yeah, yeah.

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I, I kept, I kept wondering,
like, would this have worked if

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it was a straight relationship
at the center of it?

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And I don't think it would have,
right, Because it adds a whole

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other layer of maybe hiding who
you really are and what you're

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experiencing and how you're
feeling.

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But it, it's almost like it
turns the movie, right?

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It starts off feeling like this
movie is about being queer in

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the 50s, but then by the end of
it, it almost feels like

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addiction.
It's really more about addiction

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and what you're willing to go
through to, you know, quell

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those desires.
Right, right.

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Yeah.
It, it, it's interesting, I

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think, looking at these
characters, right.

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We have, we have Eugene and Lee,
and while they're the same,

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they're also very different.
It's like Eugene likes to be the

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object of desire and lust, but
doesn't actually like to be that

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thing or be in that community
that he is.

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He's very conflicted with it.
And the same thing with Lee.

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Lee is very much like that,
right?

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He he tries to embody the
opposite of what a queer person,

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especially of that time would
be.

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He doesn't like to be associated
as effeminate, right?

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He holds, he carries a gun for
no reason.

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He just carries it because I'm a
man.

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He walks around with this like
swagger.

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He's drunk.
He's open with his addiction,

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and it's like, gross and
everybody knows it.

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But he wants to be more known
for that, even though everybody

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knows.
Yeah, but he's a dirty little

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man, Yes.
Totally.

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And and there's there is a group
of guys, the Green Lantern guys,

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right, That's kind of the club
where they go to they're

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superheroes and which is very
cool.

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You see, that's another element
of this movie that you weren't

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expecting was the superhero
story with that big, you know,

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beautiful brooch that he's
wearing.

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But they kind of represent the
free queer men who are

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completely themselves.
And it feels like, I actually

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felt like the character of Lee
is stuck in between them and

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Eugene, right?
Whereas Eugene is apparently not

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willing to say that he's queer.
Lee is queer, but he's not as

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open about it as the Green
Lantern guys, Omar, you know?

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And so that's an interesting
place to be stuck in between and

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kind of how he can float between
those communities to get what he

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wants basically.
And also be extremely addicted.

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Yeah.
To drugs, yeah.

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And I think it's an interesting
story to intertwine these two

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people and have the, I guess,
the driving force for the movie

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be, oh, we're going to look for
this experimental drug that will

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hopefully bring us closer
together.

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And that's on Lee's part, right?
I think Eugene was just going

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along with it because we find
out later he went down to South

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America with a a captain, right.
So he's very much still.

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He's the Uroboros that we saw in
this movie.

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It's just they're all destined
to repeat each other because

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they're not trying to move
forward in any way.

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They're just staying where they
are.

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I on the note of this movie
itself, I just thought it was so

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beautiful.
I thought they use, I believe

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Luca used used the same writer
as Challengers, same

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cinematographer, same composer,
Trenton Reinsner and Atticus

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Ross.
But night and day where I did

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Challengers feels like it's for
like everybody can be there.

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This one again is maybe not for
everybody, but I like that he

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used the same people to make it.
It's it's quite interesting the

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use of miniatures in this movie.
At first I didn't notice and I

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I've seen it twice and I'm like,
oh, those are miniatures.

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They're so well done.
I And that's what's, again, so

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interesting about this movie is
that it has these details in it

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that I think that if you're
willing to give yourself over to

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them, you will appreciate the
experience, the use of

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miniatures of those apartment
complexes, those the planes

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taking off even.
So I'm kind of trying to figure

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out how I feel about the music
that was used in this, right?

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The music in this, as you
mentioned, was done by Trent

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Reznor and Atticus Ross and they
use music from all time periods.

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And I don't know, did it take
you out of being in the 50s or

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did you feel like it grounded
the film?

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No, I I feel like this movie, if
you didn't get told it was in

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the 50s, you might not be able
to place it right.

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I feel like it could be anywhere
from like the 70s downward,

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right?
And also, even though it's in

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Mexico, it's not Mexico.
Like that's not that's not a

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typical like I believe the the
place where we first see with

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all the purple like leaves
falling.

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That's called like Amsterdam
Ave. like in the book of queer.

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You can tell that we all miss
Burrows.

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Like didn't really know much
about Mexico.

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And so he's just like putting
all these things together.

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And I feel like that translated
in this and with the music,

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they're very much using like
outsiders.

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We have Sinead O Connor, we have
Prince, we have Kurt Cobain,

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Omar Apollo.
We have these people that are

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known in music, but not the
typical musicians, right?

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So I'd liked that.
I liked that through line of

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using kind of the outsiders
right in a movie about queer

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people.
Yeah, I I like the way that

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you're explaining it 'cause I
guess I didn't think that deeply

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about it.
I was just trying to like, well,

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yeah, I was trying to like live
in this reality of the 50s, but

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with these modern singers.
I was like, oh, does it work?

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Does it not work?
Is it fighting?

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You know what they're trying to
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But I think that you, you make a
good point there for sure.

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But I don't know, for at the end
of the movie I was like, gosh,

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sometimes it took me out of it.
I think that's fair.

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I think this movie is very much
like Luca being self indulgent

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and the movie itself is self
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In a movie about addiction.
If it's not that way, it just

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doesn't make sense, right?
And I feel like with Daniel

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Craig's performance, he makes
you feel uncomfortable.

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He makes you feel like this
isn't right, even though he's

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not doing anything aside from
peeing where he's not supposed

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to pee.
So I feel, I said, I feel how

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many times right now and I feel,
but I think there's a point and

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I think it's supposed to not
make you comfortable.

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Well, I think I think that's a
good point, right?

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Because he is uncomfortable.
He's uncomfortable for many

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reasons.
And of course with his

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addiction, he's always looking
for more.

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So he's always going to be on
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And I also think just the world
around him, how sort of fake

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some of the things look like
those miniatures is, because the

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world doesn't matter to him,
what matters to him.

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Is what he wants what he wants?
Is his addiction, you know, and

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there are certain parts in the
movie that I really liked of

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again, playing with reality.
You know, there's a part where

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he's sitting at a bar and he
kind of turns into the snow on

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the TV.
There's a part where they're

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watching a movie together and
while they're sitting side by

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side, it's almost like a phantom
hand of his reaches over and

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strokes Eugene's face.
And so it's these inner desires

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that he has of what he really
wants versus what's actually

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happening.
But I thought were really

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beautiful.
And when you think about it a

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little more in the vein of
addiction, it's almost like when

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his addictions are most strong
is when he's having those sort

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of out of body moments, right?
Whether it's a small hand or, I

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don't even know, meeting the
naked torso of a woman in some

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disembodied reality like.
Questioning if he's queer or

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not.
Yeah, like it's, it's really

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interesting when you look at all
these bits and pieces and how

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they fit together.
This movie does an interesting

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job of completely changing
midway through and I would say

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the last act of the movie is
absolutely not what the first

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act of the movie is.
No, and that goes to Lucas

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credit of sticking with what
this book happens in this book.

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It's just the the book is it.
It's not a fun read and I feel

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like he read almost a different
book than like what I read

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because I didn't feel that like,
I don't know, lovey dovey

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fawning over Eugene like Lee
did.

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I felt more like I need to have
that thing and I want that

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thing.
So it was it was a a curious

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experience to see.
Oh, somebody else interpreted

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this a different way.
But having that really that end

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of the movie be so heavy in the
hallucinatoriness of it, did

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that work for you?
I think it did because I.

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Got real artsy.
I got real artsy, but I was

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trying to, I, I saw it as so I
think that we need to also get

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into a conversation about Lee
and Eugene's relationship,

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right?
Totally.

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And I would, I was getting very
frustrated with Eugene because

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to me it felt like he was using
and also leading Lee on.

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Right, he wants to be the object
of lust, but like.

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But that's it, right?
And so Lee actually, I believe,

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was falling in love with him
because he represented this

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beauty that he needed and wanted
and was addicted to.

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But Eugene played with him,
right?

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And so he would play very much a
cat and mouse game with him and

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and he would lead him into
thinking that he also had those

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feelings and then at other times
would fully push him away.

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And so by the end of the movie,
what happens when you are

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addicted to something and you
want something so badly, but you

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can't, you can't get it anymore,
You can't get that fill.

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And so that's what sort of leads
Lee into this hallucinus

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hallucinatory.
I don't think that's a word I

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made that up, but you can use
it.

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Hallucinus that's that's
completely made-up.

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Hallucin.
Into this day's state of leaving

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reality.
And confused, yes.

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There you go.
Use use opposite words, right?

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OK, a little tiny spider just
landed on my microphone.

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Anyway, no, I'm hallucinating.
I can see it now.

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Oh.
My God.

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Anyway, moving on.
It's fine.

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It's fine.
And so it just because he cannot

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fulfill that desire, it just
leads him into total madness.

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Yeah.
And so I just think that that's

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where that finally comes from,
because when we hear that story

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that Eugene has just gone off
with some other cat, some other

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man to South America, Eugene's
still doing Eugene right.

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He's getting the best from some
older person being shown the

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world and is left Lee wanting
that.

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Yeah.
And you know, Lee as a character

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is really interesting because he
does these things called

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routines and that's his
monologues where he just keeps

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going.
And like when somebody tries to

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leave, he like makes them stay,
right.

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And, and again, that's just who
his character is.

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He, he wants you to, I don't
know, he wants you to get, he

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wants you to give all your
attention to him, even though

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you're not giving anything back.
So he's again, self-centered,

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he's self indulgent.
He's wanting to do this thing

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and just get it out.
What did you think about their

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performances?
I thought their performances

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were layered.
AKA fine.

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Well, I don't think that there
was a lot of dialogue in the

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movie, right?
Yeah, I feel like there was a

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lot of these until the the end.
I would say there's a lot of

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these sort of like monologues
and soliloquies about just

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things, right?
Not necessarily between two

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people.
It's, it's an interesting thing

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to act in.
I, I did attend a, a little

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press junket for this and Luca
and Daniel were asked a question

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about when Lee does the, the
routines and the monologues.

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Drew's character Eugene has to
act in that scene but not give

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anything back.
And it is an interesting thing

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to experience because you are
seeing this one sided nature of

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it.
And Eugene, he he almost like if

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I must, if I must engage with
this, if I must give more than

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what I want to give, fine.
And that, that's the attitude he

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he gives off because you're
initially thinking like, oh,

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he's this like beautiful thing.
And like, he, he, he can be off

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putting and you know, oh, don't
talk to me right now.

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But it's like, no, no, I don't
think you can.

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Yeah, I think that they're both
selfish, right?

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In their own ways, right,
They're completely selfish and

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and The thing is, is Eugene is
selfish in the sense of just

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getting what he well, you know
what?

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They're both getting what they
want from the other person.

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It's just not the same thing,
right?

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And because.
They don't communicate well.

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Well, there's barely any
communication.

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It's just Lee pontificating at
Eugene and Eugene just taking

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it.
Which does happen.

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On a metaphor.
Can we?

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OK, well, I, I, I 100% agree.
And I think, you know, part of

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me feels like if Daniel doesn't
get at least some type of

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nomination, it that's sad
because I don't think it's a

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brave performance.
All of these people saying it's

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a brave and fearless performance
I think is stupid.

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And it's 2024.
Like a straight person can act

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gay like and can kiss men.
Well, right.

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Get over yourself.
It's not really that much

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acting, no.
It's not, it's just what is

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acting is the thing.
It's like that's not anyway.

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But I do think that the nuances
that he brings to the character

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is just really good.
But did you think this movie was

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sexy or not sexy enough or just
kind of sweaty and like.

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Well, it's very sweaty that I
was going for that met.

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Like what?
That suit that he's wearing

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where he's just constantly
covered in sweat.

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Oh yeah.
But you know, I thought the

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sexiest part actually was the
scene with Omar Apollo.

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Where he finds him in the bar,
Yes.

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Yeah, that was the sexiest scene
where they're kind of in this

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room full of people and they're
leaning close to each other and

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Omar Apollo slips his hand up
his leg and then they just have

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that tryst, you know, in the in
the hourly hotel room or

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whatever.
So that felt very sexy to me.

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That felt very hot and sexy and
desire, and I think part of it

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is is that there was a mutual
thing happening there.

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They both knew what they wanted
exactly.

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Whereas for the rest of the
film, it doesn't feel, I mean,

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it's mutual in a sense where I
don't believe Lee is necessarily

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forcing himself on Eugene, but
Eugene is kind of going through

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the steps to get what he wants.
And so it feels more

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transactional rather than love.
Right.

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And whenever Lee breaches that
contract by being a little too

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love hovery, then Eugene like
pushes back and like or

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distances himself or doesn't
talk to him or he's like, I have

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to work.
But really, I'm going to go out

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with Mary later.
What did you think?

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I I mean, I agree.
I think the Omar Apollo 1 is

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probably the sexiest if we're
going to do that full.

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Frontal, by the way.
And especially, like, not

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especially that that's weird for
me to say, but like, when Daniel

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Craig just, like, reached under,
I was like, oh, yeah, they're

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going for it.
Yeah.

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Yeah, he did a booty grab.
Yeah, there's a lot of noises.

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I did not believe the scene when
Eugene and Lee first hook up.

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You know, he did ask if he
smelled like vomit and he said

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no, so no.
No, no, I just mean, I'm sorry,

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but like, anatomically where
Daniel Craig has his head.

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Oh, right.
Way too high.

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Yeah, and, well, he's not going.
To actually do that.

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Well I'm just saying go a little
lower.

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They didn't show anything so
make it look more real.

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I yeah, I mean, I I do think
they did a good job of

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portraying lust and just this,
like, feverish need to expel it

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from your body.
It still works.

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And you know what I'm talking
about.

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Where's that?
Spider.

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Oh, it's gone.
It disappeared.

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Dear Lord, Yeah, I don't know.
Where it lives in my microphone.

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Sorry.
OK, But yeah, so I mean, let's

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let's wrap it up here.
I.

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Well, no wait.
I also, I want to talk about

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just really quick, Jason
Schwartzman's character who I

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think made the movie.
There I did want more of him

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because he was just absolutely.
Hilarious he was so.

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Funny, the scene specifically
where he's talking about how the

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the Brazilian boy stole his
boots and that was what he was

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most upset about.
And he had his little He had his

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sandals.
On he kept.

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Putting him up.
Every like, I don't know what

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description of this character he
read, but it was like, be a cat,

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right?
He's like on window sills and

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he's like in, he's like pointing
his feet and it's just so good.

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He was like a human gayer
version of the Cheshire Cat.

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Yes, 100%, which I also think I
could play this role.

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I'm just saying you could.
Thank you.

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You really could, right?
Oh, fun fact, before we wrap

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this up, one thing I did learn
from all the press and stuff

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like that is the ending scene.
And I, I have to mention the

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00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,720
same because I think it's
absolutely beautiful and I have

451
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,960
not seen something like this.
We've seen many scenes where 2

452
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,760
characters in some way are
intertwining with each other or

453
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,200
becoming one or whatever.
The scene where they take yahe

454
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,680
where they take where they're
tripping and they're literally

455
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,080
melding into each other and like
out and it's just this beautiful

456
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,000
dance and they're dirty and it's
sweaty and it's just, I

457
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,600
couldn't, I was so excited to re
watch that scene.

458
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,680
The entire theater, the the
screening room that I was in was

459
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,000
dead silent.
Like I could just feel everybody

460
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,520
being like, like this is
something.

461
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,400
I don't know what it is, but
it's something.

462
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,720
But I did find out that it
wasn't dirt that they were in.

463
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:57,120
It was a lot of ground coffee.
And Daniel Craig said you can't

464
00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:00,240
absorb it through your skin.
So they were like completely.

465
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,760
Buzzed out.
Holy smoke.

466
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,880
And they were just in dirt the
entire or in coffee grounds the

467
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,960
whole time, which it makes
sense, right?

468
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,800
It's like, oh, it's not dirt.
It's just going to, you know,

469
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,200
make your skin look like it has
dirt on it.

470
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,240
But they were.
Probably so jittery the rest of

471
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,760
the day, like let's go, let's
keep shooting this.

472
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,320
Yeah, so all of the scenes with
him being like withdrawn was

473
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,840
just real jitters.
Totally.

474
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,120
Wait, I you know, I will say
that I thought the sweetest

475
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,040
moment between Lee and Eugene.
They don't deserve it.

476
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,320
I'm just kidding.
Was actually when Lee is going

477
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,880
through withdrawals and he goes
into the bed with Eugene and

478
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,960
Eugene just puts his leg over
his leg.

479
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,440
That's yeah, it's so.
Sweet.

480
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,080
It's so sweet.
And isn't that just that feeling

481
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,600
of when you're newly in a
relationship with someone and

482
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,960
those little touches just mean
so much to you?

483
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,880
And that's what Lee had wanted.
I mean, I think there's.

484
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,200
Well, he didn't know he wanted.
Right.

485
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,040
And I think that there's the
desire for sex, but there's also

486
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:07,000
the desire for, you know, just
emotion and connection.

487
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,560
And I think that in that moment,
that's what he gets.

488
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,160
And so then when we get into
this epilogue, right after that

489
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:18,560
whole scene in the jungle, we
get we we see him experiencing

490
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,960
that again.
So in those final moments, I was

491
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,680
just kind of curious, do you
think that what is happening to

492
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:27,760
Lee?
Is Lee dying?

493
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,960
I think it's, I mean, I he does
die, but I think because this

494
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,440
book isn't finished, they had to
fill it in somehow.

495
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,120
And I like the idea of seeing
Lee.

496
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:45,760
This is where you're going to
end up because you didn't not

497
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,360
fix yourself.
Well, I guess fix yourself,

498
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:48,600
right?
And get over your addiction, get

499
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,640
over yourself, be queer.
And at the the final moments of

500
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,600
when he's fading away and
becomes rainbows, literal

501
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,240
rainbows, he thinks back to that
one moment.

502
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,120
And that's the one moment where
Eugene was being selfless, where

503
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:08,520
Lee was accepting of discomfort.
And it's such a simple thing.

504
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,600
It's like, oh, I didn't need to
do the routines.

505
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,040
I didn't need to be addicted to
drugs.

506
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,000
I didn't need all this.
I just needed to accept this

507
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,800
tiny little thing.
I mean, that's, that's that's

508
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,760
how I took it.
Yeah, and, and if you think

509
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,120
about it, it's so sad for Lee
that he goes through his whole

510
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:29,360
life, and maybe the one moment
that he cherishes most is that

511
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,600
touch with a man who's not even
in his life anymore.

512
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,080
And Eugene probably didn't even
mean it for that way, but it

513
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,320
processed that way for Lee.
Because I think he says in the

514
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,760
movie that he says something
like, I've never been in love or

515
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,320
something like that.
And like, it's all just the

516
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,040
proclivities of being queer and
doing those things.

517
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,480
I like to think that Eugene did
mean it like that, because I

518
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,840
think that Eugene was queer.
Even though he says while

519
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,960
they're tripping, I'm not queer.
I think he is queer, but he just

520
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,640
can't.
They're both queer.

521
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,200
Yeah.
Yeah.

522
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,720
They just can't accept it,
right?

523
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,120
And I think that in that moment,
he finally allows himself to

524
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,600
have that connection, that true
emotional connection with Lee.

525
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,160
Yeah.
And so.

526
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,840
Well, too late.
Yeah, and it's just sad to think

527
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,760
that, you know, he just went on
probably living his life that

528
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,120
same exact way.
I mean, it's a product of the

529
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,880
time.
Unfortunately, that's what

530
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,640
society did.
Society still does that.

531
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,320
Yeah.
I think Final thoughts.

532
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,000
Very much enjoyed it.
I think it's one of my favorite

533
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,240
movies of the year.
And do I think it's the best

534
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,040
made movie?
No.

535
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,560
Do I think it has do do I think
it gets to a point?

536
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,000
Not necessarily.
I I I think it it just it does

537
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,480
something.
I don't know what it is, but I

538
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,600
loved everything about it.
Right.

539
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,120
It's like, yeah, I like the
story.

540
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,680
I like the way it looked.
I like the characters.

541
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,360
I like the music,
cinematography, absolutely

542
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,200
stunning.
But it's just like I, I, I.

543
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,680
It didn't get anywhere, but I
liked the ride.

544
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,520
I think that's a very good point
to make.

545
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,600
And if you all go to watch this
movie, you're there is you're

546
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,480
not on a linear path necessarily
that's leading to a beginning, a

547
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,920
middle and an end.
You're on a drug addict's

548
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,040
journey, right?
And so I think when you go into

549
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,880
it with that lens on, you'll be
like, OK, now I know what I'm

550
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,960
experiencing.
Yeah.

551
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,880
I just.
I mean, I don't know if I could

552
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,000
be in a movie theater with,
like, people that it's like, not

553
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,880
for them, which is fine.
And like checking their phones

554
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,560
or being actively antsy because
that would, like, ruin the

555
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,800
experience for me because I very
much tried to absorb it into

556
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,640
myself because I was just, like,
mesmerized by the way the movie

557
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,560
was made.
So yeah, just, I would say,

558
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,080
like, taper those expectations
because it's not like

559
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,200
Challengers.
He had two movies come out this

560
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,920
year, which wasn't supposed to
happen, but it did.

561
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,120
So I don't know.
That's not what you think.

562
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,240
Yeah, I'd be interested to know.
I, I kind of had, I, I think I

563
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,360
have like lukewarm feelings
about it, but the more that

564
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,120
we've talked about it, I think
I'm feeling warmer.

565
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,440
I think when I I think, Oh my
God, I need to stop saying that

566
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,640
this episode.
I believe.

567
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,720
I concur.
When I had saw it the first

568
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,440
time, because I didn't see it
with you, I have not stopped

569
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,800
thinking about it.
And I think I've mentioned it to

570
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,520
you quite a few times and you've
heard me playing Prince almost

571
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,640
every day since because it also
like reignited my love for

572
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,560
Prince.
But it's just one of those

573
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,200
movies where it's like I'm
thinking about it and I don't

574
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,160
know what conclusion I'm trying
to come to, but it's just I.

575
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,800
Don't know.
It's OK not to have a conclusion

576
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,800
though, right?
I think so.

577
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,280
I think we need to be more OK
with like a movie didn't go

578
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,840
anywhere.
It was just like this.

579
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,880
Part it's art.
Yeah, yeah.

580
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,360
Well, I, you know, Noah does
this thing sometimes when he

581
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,040
sees a movie before I do that, I
also want to see.

582
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,120
And he he'll just keep saying to
me, I'm so interested to know

583
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,040
what you're going to think about
it.

584
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,600
I want to know what you're going
to think about it.

585
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,120
I can't wait to see what you
think about it.

586
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,680
And I'm like what?
What do you want to know?

587
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,040
And so that's what I think about
it.

588
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,200
I finally know.
And I'm just as confused as you

589
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,960
are.
All right, let us know what you

590
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,920
thought.
Yeah, we have like one more

591
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,760
episode this year and then 2025.
Oh man.

592
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,720
Another Jenny Biggin.
The next episode we're going to

593
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,720
do vastly different from the
last most episodes, Yeah, so.

594
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,880
Crying to confuse to question
mark.

595
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,600
See what happens next.
All right, see you next.

596
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,400
Time bye.