THE CONJURING LAST RITES Movie Review

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Hello demonic ones.
Welcome to a bite of I'm Derek.

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That's Noah.
And today we are talking about

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The Conjuring last rites.
The 4th and The Conjuring.

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The final Supposedly they said
that there might be a prequel

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series in the work.
I don't know, but this is the

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end of the franchise.
I guess no more.

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No more La Yarona, no more
Annabelle's.

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This is it.
Yeah, yeah, all the the series

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has come to an end with this 4th
and final.

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We did revisit one through 3.
That's our last episode.

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The reason why there was a
little bit of a break just

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putting out there.
We did unfortunately lose our

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cat.
So we're taking a little mental

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Nothing says how to come back
from grieving a loss than The

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Conjuring last rites.
You know, but when we lost our

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first dog a couple years ago, we
were doing The Last of Us.

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It was a very emotional journey.
And now this, I'm like, guys, we

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timed it very wrong again.
But it's fine.

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But yeah, make sure you leave
subscribing, leave a review,

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commenting if you're watching
this, liking all that amazing

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stuff.
Spoilers ahead for the entire

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Conjuring franchise universe.
It could be spoiled.

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If you haven't seen these
movies, go watch them 'cause I

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and then come back.
Absolutely.

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So let us officially take a bite
of The Conjuring Last Rites,

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written by Ian Goldberg, Richard
Nang, and David Leslie Johnson

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McGoldrick and directed by
Michael Chaves.

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Ed and Lorraine Warren have
taken a break from their cases

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of the paranormal to focus on
Ed's health and their personal

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lives.
However, they are forced to take

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on one last haunting when a
demonic presence threatens one

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of their own.
Oh my gosh, so.

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It's ended, it's here.
All roads lead here.

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What did you think?
I OK, I have come to the

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conclusion after watching all
three conjurings and then

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watching this one that what I
think that they set out to do

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either intentionally or not
intentionally, is that these

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movies are like this might sound
weird, like comfort horror.

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You know what I mean?
Like people don't the the body

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count doesn't go up the the mod
experience, the the anti isn't

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raised up every single
installment, right.

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It's kind of what I said, and
when we were revisiting the

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first three that like these are,
you kind of know what's going to

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happen.
You get introduced to the

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family, then the Warrens, then
they all come together.

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I felt like this was the same.
But that did disappoint me

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because it was their final one
and the marketing and everything

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made it seem like this was the
case that ended it all.

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OK.
It was not as scary as the

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others.
It was just literally the last

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case that ended it all.
Yeah, so I I got everything that

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I love from The Conjuring movies
a little less than, but I

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thought it was fine.
I don't think it's my favorite

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in the series, but if you like
The Conjuring, I don't think

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you'll be necessarily
disappointed.

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I just think for a series closer
or franchise closer, that's

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disappointing.
Yeah, I mean, in general, I, I

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enjoyed this, right?
I was entertained.

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I I, I am such a fan of this
franchise, so being with them

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one last time really meant a lot
to me.

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I was happy to be there, but I
think one of the things that was

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working against it, at least in
my opinion, is that I don't

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think that this last one stands
alone.

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So I think that you needed to
see the other three to really

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kind of get what was going on in
this last one.

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Because we had Judy all grown
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We had a lot of throwbacks.
We had Ed's health, which is

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something that becomes a big
deal in the third one.

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So if you're going into this
fresh being like, oh, I'm going

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to see a scary movie, I I really
think you got to start with one

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of the other ones before seeing
this last one.

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And I think that could work
against it for audiences.

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Yeah.
Well, again, I, I do think it

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would be weird if you did see
this without seeing the other

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ones, or at least the first one,
right.

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I feel like if you saw the first
one, you'd be fine.

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Granted, you should see the
other ones because they're good,

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but if you saw that.
But there is a lot of callbacks

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and I think for me personally,
and I'm sure we'll get into it,

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but the callbacks, there was too
many.

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It was almost like the basement
I think was exactly the same

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from the first movie, which I
thought was bizarre.

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Like even the layout of the
basement was the same.

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It just seemed almost like I get
like in franchises, right?

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When they're ending, they want
to show people that got the

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franchise to this point right?
So we see people in the past, we

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see callbacks, we see Easter
eggs and stuff, which is fine,

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but I think the movie relied too
much on that.

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But in the inverse, I love the
family drama part of it of like

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the Warrens.
Everything that the was

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happening with the Warrens, I
almost forgot it was supposed to

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be a horror movie in some
aspects because it was like like

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meet the Exorcists, not meet the
the parents, but it was like

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meet the exorcist, right?
And she's introducing Tony to

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her parents.
So I liked that aspect of it.

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So I, I, it was, it was
interesting.

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I'm not sure what they were
trying to do with this movie,

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but it didn't feel like a
finale.

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I, I almost wonder if it was a
balance issue, right?

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Because we did start off with
that similar thing of kind of

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looking at a case that wasn't
well in the past.

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Let's say it wasn't the main
case for this, but this one very

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particularly connected to the
case of this.

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And we get a glimpse of the
warrants from the past.

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Then we have Ed's birthday
party.

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Then we learn that Judy as a
boyfriend.

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Then we hear about this other
family.

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And so it was all these pieces.
And then like you're saying, all

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these really great throwbacks
and Easter egg things, which I

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really loved.
But I think that could they were

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trying to smush a lot of stuff
in and they weren't necessarily

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sure what direction they were
going in.

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It was like it's a case which is
like the the other movies in the

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franchise, but we also have to
wrap up their family story as

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well.
Yeah, which is interesting

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because I do feel like in the
past Conjuring movies, we love

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Ed and Lorraine Lauren, right?
We've talked about this.

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If you if you want to hear all
of those thoughts, listen to the

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episode in the past.
But we love them.

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But one of the interesting
things about the movies is that

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we don't really learn too much
about them outside of just the

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little times that we're spending
with them, right?

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We just love them and they play
them so true and straight and

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like great that we're just here
for them, right.

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And so I think adding this much
background to them was

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interesting to do in the final
one when it was like, by the

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way, there's still like a case
you guys have to do.

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So like that's going to be the
climactic part.

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That almost was like, Oh, let's
just tie it to like a case that

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they did.
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I.
I think one of the things that I

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had mentioned in our last
episode was when I saw the first

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Conjuring, to me, it felt like
it was mainly about the parent

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family, and then the Ed and
Lorraine were the people that

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came in to help them.
And we see that in the second

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one and the third one a little
less because it's like detective

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story.
This one, it really felt like

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these are the Warrens, and then
they just happened to be on the

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job for one or two nights.
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Which I do, I do appreciate.
It was just long, you know, and

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I, I felt like doing that much
almost slowed the momentum a

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little bit of, of the movie
itself.

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One of the things that we did
talk about in the the three

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conjurings before, you know,
James Bond had done the 1st 2

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Michael Chavez is that.
Chavez.

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I was saying Chavez when we were
doing it.

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That's what I assumed it was.
Apparently not.

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I did the same.
So I apologize to to Michael.

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Sorry, Michael, but So what we
kind of look for in these movies

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is The Conjuring moment, right
in the first one, you could

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really point it to a couple
different ones, but like the mom

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being upside down in the chair,
like there's a big climactic

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moments.
And this one, I felt like it was

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almost missing it just a little
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We got the Annabelle moment
right of it growing big, which I

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was not a fan of.
I really didn't like that

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because one thing I've loved
about The Conjuring movies is

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even though it looks impressive,
it's usually like low tech and

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not necessarily super huge CGI.
As it's gone on, it's leaned a

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little more into that and then
the mirror, which can lend

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itself to some cool like camera
tricks and stuff.

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But I, I'm not too scared of a,
a ornate mirror, you know, so it

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was lacking in, in that.
And like a, a guy in overalls,

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like I, I was just like waiting
for like, oh, what is like this

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conjuring's moment, like the
crooked man, Where, where is

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that moment?
And I was kind of disappointed

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that we didn't get that.
Like we saw Lorraine and a bunch

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of blood, but you know, OK.
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I mean, even if we look at that
basement scene again, she falls

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into this big puddle of blood
that doesn't necessarily exist.

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And something similar happens in
the second one, right?

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They're in a basement, there's a
flood.

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They're swimming around.
They can't do it.

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So again, is it that they were
pulling these things from the

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past to kind of tie it all up or
that they run out of ideas?

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That I don't know.
But I I agree, even in that

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final climactic moment where
this demonic mirror is chopping

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people in half trying to at
least there's we don't see

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anything.
Well, I think I what is really

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funny, the more I think about
that moment and again, like I I

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think they shot this movie
really well.

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Like it's it's all pretty much
in handheld, which gave like an

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interesting depth of field,
which made it, you know, fear

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more 80s than before, which I
liked.

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But like that.
But like the climactic moment

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was like the smurls kind of get
literally moved out of the

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picture, right.
So I thought that was

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interesting.
And then it's just like the dad,

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the Jack Smurrell and Ed and
Tony kind of helping just moving

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a mirror.
Like I, it was interesting.

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I was like, this is like how
they're going to end this.

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Like this franchise is like just
moving a mirror, which I did

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like it's spinning and it kind
of, I guess tearing Tony up a

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little bit.
But that that was interesting.

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I was just like, where's the
where's the where's the ghosts?

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Where's the demons?
You know, my, my biggest worry

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in that climax, and I really
mean this, is that I hope no one

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touches the mirror, right?
That was the big thing.

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Don't touch the mirror.
Oh, no, they touched the mirror.

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Whereas in the past, it's
literally like trying to

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exercise a parent or, you know,
trying to kill a child or

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something.
You know what I mean?

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Like the stakes were much higher
in those other ones than they

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were in this one.
And I think, you know, as far as

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the Smurls are considered,
again, we have a family dynamic

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here.
It feels very similar of them

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living in this house and they
can't leave and they're stuck

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there and they're trapped.
I didn't.

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I didn't appreciate their reason
for not leaving.

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Their reason for not leaving was
like, we're broke and it's like.

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You don't even know anyone.
Well, but like you're in the

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80s, you know what I mean?
Like, I know it's kind of rough,

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but like, is dying better than
not?

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Yeah, it was just a weird like,
also, why are the parents there?

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Like do the parents live with
them or could they go to their

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parents house or they live down
the street?

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I was just like a weird
unanswered questions or I was

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like, and there was this like
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abuse and violence that was like
with the ghosts and could be

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with the family that I think
they just kind of glazed over,

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which would admit made that part
of the story a little more

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compelling.
Yeah, I mean, to me it felt like

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they just socio economically
they couldn't pay to go to a

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hotel.
Maybe they didn't have any

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family.
Obviously the eight of them all

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live together in that one house,
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couldn't live on their own.
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much.
I also have to say 1 positive

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thing is that sometimes I think
when things are set in the 80s,

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it can feel very costumey,
right?

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We can automatically go to like
tubular and things like that.

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I felt like they didn't go too
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design because I think that
that's really easy for costume

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designers to do when it comes to
the 80s, just because we think

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of Lemay dresses and you know,
Jazzercise and things like that.

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So big, teased Poofy.
Yes.

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So I appreciated that about
this.

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They felt like real human
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And I even think with Ed and
Lorraine, this is the oldest

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we're going to be seeing them
out of the franchise and they

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still looked great.
You know, I did.

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I thought it was funny that they
still dressed how they dressed

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in this time, especially
Lorraine.

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She was like a Stark, like, your
outfit's out of place now

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because if you see her next to
Judy, Judy with very much was

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like Stevie Nicks and Lorraine
was like, I don't know,

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Victorian doll.
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So it was interesting to see
them both together of like, oh,

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like the times are literally
changing.

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They're eventually going to, I
guess, teach a a new generation

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of exorcists in some way.
But I, I did think that that was

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that was nice.
I like seeing them kind of this

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is they're actually literally
retiring because there's a new

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generation here.
Let's talk about Judy a little

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bit.
I really liked her.

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I thought she was really good,
really strong, and I liked that

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idea of us kind of feeling like
the gift has been passed on,

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right?
There is the one person in the

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relationship who has these
psychic abilities and there's

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the other person there that is
going to protect them and uphold

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them through all these trials
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So I appreciate that.
And I think that this, the

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actress that played Judy, who I
had mentioned isn't the one that

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played her in the first 3
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Mia Tomlinson think she did a
fantastic job, especially in the

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scene where she's trying on the
wedding dress in the endless

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mirrors.
Yeah, I I think the saving

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graces for this movie for me is
the cast, the performances,

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Judy, Ed and Lorraine.
I think Tony was fine.

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But really they're the ones that
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over 2 hours to watch, right?
Even though this was a new actor

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that played Judy, I love the
character, right?

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And we did see younger Judy to
now and I think she looked like

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her, like it look like, man,
that could be her grown up,

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right.
So as fans of this franchise

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seeing being with these
characters for over 10 years, it

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was nice.
And to see that I think they did

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a good job with Judy.
I loved the wedding scene, even

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though I was like, it's kind of
cheesy for them to bring

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characters back.
I did really like seeing those

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characters and James Wan making
an appearance in the crowd,

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which I thought was nice.
But yeah, I like Judy a lot.

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I think her story was great.
I liked the idea of her getting

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the visions or the clairvoyancy
that her mother had.

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It did really annoy me though.
It fell into that trope and trap

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of oh they're going to have the
same ability as me, I need to

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protect them and shelter from.
It's like why though?

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Like you know what could happen
and also you.

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Would think that over these
years, Lorraine has learned that

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hiding it is not the answer,
right?

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Right.
It's what's giving them their

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livelihood.
It's what's connected them to

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their faith.
Why would she decide that for

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her daughter?
Just because maybe seeing her

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daughter as a little girl, she
was scared.

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Well, right.
Yeah.

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I mean, she, I think the idea is
to protect them, right?

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So it won't happen.
But she should know from her own

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experience that you can't
necessarily completely shut that

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off, right?
It's like you're going to be

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getting bouts of visions and
stuff, which she did regardless

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of teaching her how to shut
those out.

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So there was just a few things
in this movie were like the past

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movies didn't really fall into
generic tropes like that.

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And this movie really I was
like, why aren't you telling

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each other things?
This is weird.

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Like, can y'all communicate?
You guys aren't usually like

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this.
So it was weird of like, I know

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why you're doing it to push the
plot forward, but it's really

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annoying because your characters
don't do that.

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Yeah, I understand that and I
think so.

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Another interesting bit about
this movie is that we do see a

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younger Ed and Lorraine Warren
loved it, yeah, played by

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different actors, but they
looked so much like them.

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They did such a great job at the
casting there.

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But we see in that first scene,
this mirror demon once tried to

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take Judy's life when she was in
Euro, right?

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And then she was stillborn when
she was born, but they brought

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her back.
So maybe that has something to

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do with, I don't know, Lorraine
being so protective of her,

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perhaps.
But you know, again, it was

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really rooted in this family
story and what it led to to now.

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I like that.
I think it was nice to have like

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they're one of their very first
cases come back to them, right.

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Did I think it was as bitey or
as like intense or the the one

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that ended it all for them?
No, I don't like that.

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I think that's what was like
disappointing because they

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themselves hyped it up.
But I liked that there was a

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through line with that.
As soon as they saw that mirror,

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they're like this is the same
mirror.

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It's scary, right?
But I think in the inverse of

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that, every conjuring we we get
a name for the demon or the

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entity, right?
We have Valik, which we know

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from the nun, right?
We have Bathsheba from the first

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one, The third one.
What was the third one's name?

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Do we do we even get it?
Oh, it was the the Occultist.

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Yeah.
And in this one, I think one of

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the things that was really
missing was a name.

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Yeah.
We learn in the first one, when

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you learn the name of the demon,
you have power over it.

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So for them to not know the name
of this demon that was

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apparently using the three
ghosts as a shield, kind of like

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in the second one, was odd, was
an odd choice.

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I felt like, OK, I guess they're
done.

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Right.
And you know, it's, it's funny

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because one of the pieces that I
like of The Conjuring so much is

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when they're putting the clues
together to figure everything

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out, to see what happened to
this family in this house and

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where this demonic presence came
from.

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And you know, in the third one,
I thought they went there too

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far, right.
It was 2 paranormal detectives.

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This one was nothing at all.
They didn't do any research.

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They didn't go out to find any
information.

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Well.
They were reluctant to take

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cases physically, like actual
cases, you know, So it was

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interesting for them to like,
OK, fine.

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But then immediately get to
exercising it.

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Yeah.
She was like, that's so Raven.

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She's just like, oh, it's a
family of three and there's a

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demon using them as.
Puppets, yeah, which again, I

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think is like weird that we got
a story where like a big

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malevolent valic was using a
ghost if somebody manipulate

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them, but then we didn't really
see the wizard behind that

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manipulation, right.
So I think like just kind of

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wrapping up our thoughts or
this, you know, the movie.

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I didn't appreciate them
torturing that dog for no

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apparent reason, Simon.
But I'm glad Simon survived,

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unlike Sadie from the last first
one.

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I think it was a fine
installment, but this feels like

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more like a third, not a final.
I am a little disappointed as

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like we watch these Conjuring
movies that even though this is

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like the highest grossing horror
franchise and film history, the

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more they've gone on, the less
it looks like it has money, if

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that makes sense.
Like the first one is just

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unbeatable.
It's unbeatable and sound design

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and acting and scares and just
using it.

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And so like when we finally get
to this fourth one, AKA like I

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think the 8th movie in the whole
franchise, I wanted more.

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I wanted a little a little
punchier.

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And it's always so interesting
to me sometimes when you see

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movies where the first one it's
like 1 writer and it's stellar,

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and then by the third one it's
like 3 writers and two people

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helping to write the story.
On top of that.

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It's like something doesn't feel
as authentic as it did.

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And I think maybe that has
something to do with like we

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just have to get this last one
out there.

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I don't know.
But I think I feel a lot of the

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same sentiments that you do, but
I still liked it.

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And I, and I think The thing is,
is that I wanted to kind of get

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into some of these callbacks
that we keep mentioning.

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So I'm going to list some off
and then we can stop and talk

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about them.
So the thing that Noah mentions

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that there's a lot of guest
appearances here, right?

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So at the AT Ed's barbecue in
the beginning for his birthday,

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we have Brad the cop from the
first one and we even get a

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glimpse of Drew who was their
assistant in the 1st 2:00.

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Annabelle obviously is back in
action.

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We get the call back to the Miss
Me from the pre story of the

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first one.
We get the music box in the kids

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room mimicking a music box and
one and two very much looking

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like the crooked man spinning
thing.

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We have another spooky doll
Susie.

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We have Valek being spelled out
in some children's blocks.

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That's what that was.
Spelling.

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Dang it.
Yeah, so we see that again.

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We have Judy Zlocka coming back.
We have the basement hauntings.

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We have, you know, in the first
one we had hide and clap.

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In this one we see the kids play
a prank on the mom, which the

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ghost uses again to trick the
mom.

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Again.
The animals, some died, some

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didn't.
One of the other things I

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thought of was that we see Ed
making pancakes for the family

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again and them taking care of
them.

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I really liked Tony being like,
is this part of it?

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Is this cause like he's, he's on
the investigation, right?

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And even though Ed says no, yes,
it 100% is part of it because he

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does that every time for the
family.

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And I think it's just a
comforting thing, right?

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Absolutely, because he does say
part of our job here is to also

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take care of this family because
they've been through so much.

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And then that end wedding scene,
Judy's wedding, we have Julian

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Hillard as David from the third
one.

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We have Madison Wolf and Francis
O'Connor as two of the Hodgens

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from the second one.
And of course, we have Lily

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Taylor as Carolyn and Mackenzie
Foy as Cindy.

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Two of the parents have come
from Rhode Island to see Judy

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get married.
That's so sweet.

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I really love that.
Like that.

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To me, I don't know what it is
about Lily Taylor.

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Anytime I see that woman on
Scream, I, like, jump out of my

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seat.
I'm so excited.

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So seeing her there as really
she was kind of, to me, the main

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driving force of the first
movie, Yeah.

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Yeah.
And I think we we saw that

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connection, right.
We saw.

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I do feel like, unfortunately, I
like James Wan's direction a

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little more than Michael Chavs.
I think James Wan kind of

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understood the vision that he
was trying to do, and Michael

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feels more like a studio touch
to it.

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And I don't particularly like
that the first two are vastly

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different from the last two.
And it's just like you said,

448
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,480
focusing more on the family
that's getting haunted with Ed

449
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,520
and Lorraine coming in.
But saying that the last image

450
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,120
that we get of Ed and Lorraine
dancing at their daughter's

451
00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:42,000
wedding, right before that,
Lorraine says, I got a vision

452
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,760
and she literally spells out the
rest of their lives, which was

453
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,120
beautiful.
And it's everything that they

454
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,560
wanted, right?
I love that moment.

455
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,400
I love it.
And it when I heard that they're

456
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,080
thinking about making a prequel
series of like young Ed and

457
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,320
Lorraine, I get the actors that
played young them in this.

458
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,320
It'd be amazing.
I kind of was like really happy

459
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,120
about it because I do love these
characters.

460
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,440
I don't like the actual Ed and
Lorraine Warren.

461
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,080
I like these versions.
I like the fictional versions

462
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,640
and I just kind of want more of
them.

463
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,000
You know, I, I think it's, it's,
it's, they created something

464
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:19,360
very interesting to where it is
a cozy, haunting house movies

465
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:21,800
that like there's some gore and
stuff like that.

466
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,600
But like, I still get surprised
that like this one is rated R.

467
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,360
It does not feel like it should
be rated R because it's like, I

468
00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:30,720
could pop this on and like have
it on while I'm like cooking

469
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,880
dinner or something, you know
what I mean?

470
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,760
Like it's just it's super chill.
Yeah, I like, you know, we have

471
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,280
cozy fantasies now, and I like
the idea of cozy horror movies

472
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,080
as well.
That's really my type of horror

473
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,200
movie, really kind of about the
people, about the experience.

474
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,600
There's a couple of jump scares
in there.

475
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,280
And you know, I have to say that
that final scene of Lorraine

476
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,200
having that vision of the rest
of their lives actually brought

477
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,240
a tear to my eyes.
I heard because I.

478
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:56,120
Really do love these characters.
I love what they've built in

479
00:23:56,120 --> 00:24:00,280
this Conjuring universe.
I love this idea of leading with

480
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,720
kindness and love and faith.
I don't think you see that a lot

481
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,720
in horror movies, and so seeing
their story spelled out

482
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,680
definitely made me feel
emotional.

483
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,000
And then of course, our final
text letting everyone know how

484
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,280
they passed away and how they
were together till the end.

485
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,880
Actually really sad.
Yeah, it was really sad that

486
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,640
she.
She lived a really long,

487
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,320
beautiful life.
I didn't.

488
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,920
Realize she was that old.
Yeah, that's damn.

489
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:26,720
So I, I will say that I felt
moved by that.

490
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,440
I thought it was a nice final
chapter to this book of The

491
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,600
Conjuring.
I will say that when we left the

492
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,760
movie theater, there was this
guy and he was saying to his

493
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,680
family, this movie wasn't scary
at all.

494
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,120
And it's that idea of I don't
necessarily know that it's

495
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:46,360
supposed to be like, so scary.
Yeah, I, I do feel like, I don't

496
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:50,200
think it's supposed to be like
super, super like Uber

497
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,560
terrifying.
But I do think it was missing

498
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,200
some of those like quiet intense
where the score is really

499
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,240
driving the fear.
I think it was missing that part

500
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,720
to it, right.
The sound design wasn't as good

501
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,480
as the other ones.
And I think it kind of just

502
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,400
plays into that, right?
If like, we're supposed to be

503
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,680
scared of a mirror, right?
And a guy in overalls like it's

504
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,840
not going to work.
But I feel like this movie,

505
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,640
oddly, was more of a family
drama than it was of an actual

506
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,120
haunting.
Last rites more like last

507
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,600
wrongs.
I did.

508
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,080
Well, we didn't say Father
Gordon does make an appearance

509
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,360
in this and he does
unfortunately not make it out of

510
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:27,680
the series.
So he does.

511
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,360
He's like, really the only
casualty.

512
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,080
Trigger warning.
Honestly though, for Death by

513
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,920
hanging 3 three different times,
it's pretty rough.

514
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,520
Yeah, yeah, that's that, I guess
now makes sense why it's rated

515
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,120
R, right?
Yeah, that's true.

516
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,320
A girl vomiting blood doesn't
put it at rated R.

517
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,320
But that was Grouse, though.
That was Grouse, yeah.

518
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:54,920
OK, so this is until the show
comes out, our final kind of

519
00:25:54,920 --> 00:26:00,400
talking of The Conjuring, right?
We ranked our first three in the

520
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,360
last episode.
Just to remind people my ranking

521
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:09,840
was what was it 132 I believe
and yours was 123 going in best

522
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,440
to least.
What is your ranking now with

523
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,040
the 4th 1?
Oh gosh, you know, I think my

524
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,760
love for this franchise is
blinding me a little bit, but

525
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,480
I'm going to go into that and
lean into it.

526
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:29,280
I'm going to go 1243.
So this is just skipping ahead

527
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,240
of #3 into the third position.
Interesting.

528
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,920
I'm I think I actually have to
say the same.

529
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,200
I'm changing my rankings.
I'm going 124 and three.

530
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,000
Honestly, yeah, because I think
the more I think about it, I

531
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,520
think we were just so fresh off
of watching 3 and I think it was

532
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,960
intense in some ways that the
first two weren't in like real

533
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,120
horror, right, Which I did like.
But the more I think about, it's

534
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:56,000
like, oh, that didn't feel like
The Conjuring.

535
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,280
That just felt like a Hills have
Eyes type thing, right.

536
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,200
But I just like you.
I love these characters.

537
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,400
So I think just seeing them very
exceptionally happy and they got

538
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,720
everything that they wanted just
warms my little exorcist heart,

539
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,640
yeah.
I think for me, if this one had

540
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,720
a little more detective work in
it and didn't have that dumb

541
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,960
giant Annabelle.
Yeah, that was weird.

542
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,800
I also, I don't understand.
Like I guess she was terrified

543
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,160
of Annabelle ever since she was
little.

544
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,720
I was just like confused why
Annabelle was so involved in

545
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,000
this.
It almost, it felt overplayed.

546
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,440
I was like, Annabelle got 2
movies.

547
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,600
We've seen her in almost every
single Conjuring.

548
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,360
Like get her out of here.
Let her.

549
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,880
Retire just hates Judy, right?
That's it.

550
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,800
She just, she just hates her and
she's willing to take her down

551
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,760
at any.
Cost.

552
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,400
Please do no.
No, not Judy, but I really do

553
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,800
hope we get a prequel series.
I would love to see Young, Ed

554
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,960
and Lorraine seeing more cases.
I'm really curious to see if

555
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,880
it's going to be like one off
per episode or just one case for

556
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,680
the entire season.
I'm I'm really interested to see

557
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,680
that.
Yeah, I'm not sure too sure who

558
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,040
would have the right.
Is it paramount?

559
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,320
It's going to.
Was it HBO that might be doing

560
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,040
it?
I don't know.

561
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,520
All right, we'll see.
We'll find out.

562
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,800
Yeah, let us know who you
thought of last Rite slash The

563
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,760
Conjuring franchise, because now
it's done.

564
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,040
I don't even think there's any
spin offs or anything planned so

565
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,640
except for the prequel series
so.

566
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:19,520
Guess what?
Annabelle 4.

567
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,120
She's back, baby.
Keep forgetting there's the

568
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:25,840
third one.
All right, Well, till next time.

569
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:26,400
Bye.