'The Life of Chuck' Movie Review + Interview with Karen Gillan

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5678 Wow, we're dancing into the
life of Chuck.

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Hey everyone, I'm Derek, and
that's Noah, and welcome to this

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episode of A Bite of where we're
talking about the life of Chuck.

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Yay.
Oh, I would say very high up on

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my most anticipated list of this
year for films.

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I mean, has all the things I
love.

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Totally.
This is a total Noah film.

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I mean, it's Mike Flanagan, it's
Stephen King, it's Loki, I mean,

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it's all of them.
And I mean, just all of Mike

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Flanagan's cast totally in this
movie.

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Yes, we got to see the movie
early.

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Very gracious for the people at
Neon for sending us a Screener.

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And also at the end of our
review, Karen Gillan, the Karen

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Gillan of Amy Pond fame of
Oculus, of the life of Chuck, I

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got to speak with her for a
little bit.

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They didn't let me use the
video, which is a little, it's

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sad.
I'm sorry, but you that are

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listening to this in podcast
form, you can, it doesn't change

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for you.
So continue on.

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Hey, it's in a bite of exclusive
interview with.

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Karen Gillan, I was just very
grateful that she took the time

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to speak with me and her very
busy schedule of promoting this

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movie.
Yes, very excited to talk about

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this movie.
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So going into this review,
spoilers.

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Ahead like hella spoilers.
I kept debating.

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We kept debating of like
spoiling this movie because it's

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an experience that needed to be
had, but you can't not spoil it,

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you know?
So spoilers ahead, go see it and

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then come back.
Let us officially take a bite of

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The Life of Chuck, written and
directed by Mike Flanagan, based

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on the novella by Stephen King,
World's End with the power going

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out, a flood of memories,
deathly premonitions and dancing

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to your own true rhythm.
That's beautiful.

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I think you send that to Mike
Flanagan.

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I'm going to.
He's going to put it on the

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posters.
A bite of pot, it's going to

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say.
The bald 1 yes.

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Exactly so, Sir, what did you
think?

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Indescribable.
I don't want to hype this movie

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up too much because I think this
is one of those rare movies that

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it needs to be experienced.
Your expectations are going to

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do this because you have Stephen
King.

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Yeah, my client again.
You have everybody that's

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involved in this film and you're
going to expect something

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different then what you might
get.

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It might not be everybody's
flavor, but I think it's one of

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those movies that will make you
think and you'll feel it way

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after you've seen it and maybe
you'll take a little bit with

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you throughout the day.
When you find those little tiny

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things that bring you joy, It's
like, you know, Chuck did the

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same thing I did too.
It's just a spiritual movie.

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So I very much liked it.
You know, that's that's my very

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general thoughts.
It's spiritual.

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It's great.
Go see it.

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You know, if you're watching
this or listening to this and

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like, I'm not going to go see
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Why not do yourself some good?
Go watch it.

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If yeah, it's.
What about you?

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Sorry.
Yeah, OK, so picture this.

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I just said I didn't want to
hype it up, but I'm like, it's a

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spiritual experience.
No, it's like it's the greatest

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thing that's ever existed.
It changed my life, but I don't

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want to hype it up, but OK,
picture this.

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You're 39 years old, OK?
You have chest pains.

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You go to the hospital, you have
to face your own mortality.

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And then about a week later, you
watch the life of Chuck, and in

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the best way possible, it makes
you feel conscious of everything

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that you just went through and
qualified in a way that means

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life is short and that you
should enjoy it.

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I think we had a very unique
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I'm sure not.
We're not going to be the only

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ones and people can draw onto
it, But since we had that scare

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with your health, that was like
very scary.

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And then immediately, this was
the very first thing that we

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watched aside from Shrek in the
hospital.

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I think we're going to have a
unique experience that maybe

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some of these viewers and
listeners might not have.

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So I think we're conscious of
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But it, I don't know, I think it
was the perfect time for us to

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watch it.
So thanks.

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I, you know, I want to say just
so when, when you first the

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movie starts off with a world
ending, right?

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And people just watching their
lives kind of crumble around

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them and but not knowing truly
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And there is something to be
said of again, I wasn't, I

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wasn't at death's door.
I wasn't.

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I didn't almost die, right, But
I had something that could have

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led to possible death, right?
Well, right, if you didn't get

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it checked out, you could have.
I could have, right?

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More of a chance than we would
have liked, true.

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And, and I think what's
interesting is that when I'm

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sitting in the hospital and I'm
having all these experiences, it

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does feel a little bit like your
world could end And you don't

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know why or what's necessarily
going on because you're waiting

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a lot of the time.
You're waiting for blood work,

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you're taking tests, you're
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And so it is this really
interesting comparison of the

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literal world ending, but also
your life ending and how big of

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a question mark it all is and
how you never know what's truly

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waiting for you.
Yeah, that's one of the biggest

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things of this movie, I think,
You know, people will take

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different things away from it,
but one of the core things is in

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the face of even knowing and not
knowing, doing those little

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things that do bring you joy
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And those are the things that
are literally going to build the

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world's and universes inside of
you who is a person.

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It's not going to be the same as
somebody else, but those little

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tiny moments in this movie,
there's a a through line with

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dancing, right, And that's like
one of the biggest set pieces

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you've seen it in the trailer.
It's on the poster.

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Tom Hiddleston doing the dance.
I believe he did it on Graham

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Norton.
It is the thing right for this

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movie and it means so much when
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Yes, it's a long like a long
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I didn't think it was.
I wanted more.

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I could have been like this
could have been two hours of Tom

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Hiddleston dancing.
I'm here for it.

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But just doing those little tiny
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and past present of you, of who
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But I really like getting really
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I think the structure of it,
when I read the novella it's in

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If it Bleeds, it's a collection
of short stories from Stephen

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King.
But it was something that just

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kind of stuck with me.
And I'm like, this is

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interesting.
Like why is this one sticking

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with me?
So when it was being made into a

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movie, The structure of it is
odd because you start in Act 3

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and the end of the movie ends in
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the beginning of Chuck.
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Chuck die and then we're getting
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So it's a definitely a feat that
Flanagan and crew had to do and

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I think they pulled it off
really well.

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Yeah, I agree.
I I the thing that I've noticed

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about Mike Flanagan and
especially really enjoying his

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later, his later works, right?
I saw Oculus and did he?

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What's the one?
Doctor Slute.

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Doctor.
Oh no, Doctor sleep I'll never

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recover from.
Fantastic.

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Oh my God, what's the one that
Kate is in where she's deaf?

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Did he do that?
That horror movie.

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Hush, hush.
So I saw Hush, saw Oculus, those

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like kind of true slashery kind
of horror things, and I thought

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they were good.
But now as time has gone on you

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it really feels like he's honed
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And what I love so much about
Mike Flanagan is that he loves

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the work that he's basing
whatever it is on.

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And you can tell the care that
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And you know, there is this
Flaniverse and there are these

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people, these actors that pop up
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And I think part of that is, is
yes, he's building this universe

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or whatever, but I think he
knows that he can trust them to

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bring these characters to life.
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is, is that right?
Taking something like the life

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of Chuck, which is a novella in
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loving it so much and caring
about it so much and creating it

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into a feature length film, I
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wants to bring it to life.
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care of it.
And for Stephen King to, you

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know, let that happen, I think
is also, you know, a sign of

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approval.
I think, you know, Mike Flanagan

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is definitely now become like
the go to person for Stephen

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King adaptations, like he just
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But I think King knows that.
Same thing with Edgar Allan Poe

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with just any works.
And Poe knows that.

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And Poe does know that.
But yeah, he, he, he does get

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it.
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stories.
And we love his stories when

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it's very centered around
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And it's like, yeah, there's
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things that are going along with
it, but he just gets people in

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the monologues.
Look, if you like Midnight Mass,

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if you like any of the The Hill
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going to see some of that seep
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It's just not as scary as some
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But there is terrifying elements
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You'll get some monologues in
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So good.
So, so good.

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Now, just looking at the story
in itself, it really is a

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blending of genres here.
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this almost apocalyptic
sensibility that we're feeling.

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Then it gets into like a slice
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bildungsroman, following a child
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them grow up.
And then there's also this sort

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of like mystical element to it.
So how did you do you think

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those three or more genres fit
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it was achieved in this?
You know, taking my fanboy self

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out of it.
When I think of this story,

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right, it's it's hard.
It's a hard story.

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If you're going to sit there and
try to really hyper analyze it,

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because while it's called the
life of Chuck, you don't really

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get the life of Chuck.
You see snippets, you see

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vignettes of Chuck and kind of
what brought him to his ultimate

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end, unfortunately very, very
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And so like when you when you
think about that and then you

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add in like, OK, so we got this
like echoing through all of this

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of of time, right, of the
calendar, the cosmic calendar,

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you kind of get the echo
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Then you get the multitudes.
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supernatural element with his
grandfather and the Coppola in

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the house.
So it's like there's a lot of

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layers to this, which could seem
like a lot, but I think with the

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understanding of like, you're
kind of just getting snippets of

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it and you don't really need to
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everything.
It works well.

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Could I say I wanted it to be
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Yeah.
For some of that stuff to be

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fleshed out a little bit?
Totally.

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Would I think that Flanagan
could have done this as a mini

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series?
Yeah.

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And I think he could have really
fleshed it out.

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Ultimately, it did work well.
It gave you some mystery.

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Some of that mystery, when you
find it out, it's like, oh,

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yeah, it's what I thought it
was.

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And I think that's fine.
I think that's totally fine for

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something like that to happen.
What about you?

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Did you think it all worked?
You know, I starting off where

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it starts off, you know, you're
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clues and figuring things out.
Once you get that reveal of

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what's happening.
I thought that really paid off.

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I loved seeing one of my
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probably the least, you know,
supernatural part, which is

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seeing I I'm calling him tween
Chuck, played by Benjamin Pajak.

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His whole is where he discovers
his love of dancing and he sees

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his grandmother dancing in the
kitchen and he dances with the

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girl at the prom and Oh my gosh,
it's just so lovely and so sweet

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and it's not scary in any way,
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It's just watching this young
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And I think I just gravitated
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The only part that and I maybe
it needed to be explored more.

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Maybe that was the problem was
the whole thing with the turret,

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right?
The Coppola.

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The Coppola is that what is this
Sofia Coppola?

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It's that to me, maybe it was,
it felt rushed.

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Maybe we knew what was happening
already.

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I don't necessarily know if I
needed it to be explained of why

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that was happening up there, but
it it seemed like the biggest

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why is this in here?
Yeah, so the the Coppola part is

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obviously the the room upstairs
where his grandfather had it

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under lock and key and didn't
want Chuck to go in there.

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And it seems like you get a
premonition.

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I don't know how it works.
Obviously we don't know.

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But you get a premonition of
somebody, even yourself, dying,

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like how they're going to die.
You know, his grandfather saw

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it.
He saw his grandmother die, he

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saw his friend, he saw the
neighbor kid.

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And then Chuck ultimately saw
himself in the hospital bed,

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which, oh, God.
I don't know who the editor is

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for this or who makes those
decisions, but some of just the

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layering and editing, especially
when you see at the very end

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when Chuck sees himself, but you
hear the heartbeat monitor, but

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you've heard it in the
beginning.

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It's just so masterfully done.
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I yeah, yeah.
I think like that, that stuff.

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I think we know what it is,
right?

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It's like it's just a part of
this room that somehow is just

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supernatural and shows you how
you're going to die.

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I don't like that part was the
least interesting part to me

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because when Chuck sees it and
you kind of then you think back,

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OK, what's Act 2 and 3?
He kind of just wanted it to go

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away.
He just leaves the room and he's

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like, OK, now I have answers of
why I shouldn't have been in

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here.
I know where my end is, what is

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going to happen in between.
And one of the funniest things

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about that is when you think
about it, it's like he became an

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accountant.
It's something, but it's his

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grandfather really talked to him
about like, dancing's not going

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to get you where you need to go.
Numbers are magic.

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That monologue, Mark Hamill
delivering this monologue was so

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well done, but it was almost
like he kind of Chuck in the

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end, did both of what his
parents or grandparents

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instilled in him.
He was able to dance with the

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busker, and then he was able to
become an accountant.

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That led him to finding the joy
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So there's this weird beauty in
it, but it is a bummer.

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Yeah, I think when you think
about it in that way, it's

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almost like by that point in his
life, maybe, you know, we know

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he lost his parents, then he
loses his grandparents, then

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he's on his own for a little
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His, I think it's his paternal
grandparents come and live with

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him.
Or maybe it's vice versa.

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He also lost his unborn sister,
right?

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Had to throw that in there too.
So, so it's almost like when he

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sees his own death, it's like,
well, what is one more death?

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Yeah.
And there's like this element of

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so much sadness and he had a
terrible start to his life.

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And I think there's there's it
sneaks in there a little bit,

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like when you're like, oh, this
is like incredibly sad, but also

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incredibly joyous.
But yeah, he, he started real.

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Not great, not great.
Everybody he knows just kind of

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passed away.
And then his grandparents are

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dealing with their child and
unborn grandchild passing away.

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And now they're having to raise
their child's child.

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Just really.
Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a

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macabre world, but you can find
your own joy in it.

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But I do think that's the
interesting part of knowing your

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end and experiencing all this
sadness, but then going on to

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like, just continue to live a, a
pretty regular life, right.

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He was just at an accounting
conference and decided to dance

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and then and then felt the pain
and then knew it was coming.

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Right.
God, it's so sad.

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And so sad and you know, one of
the things I keep making this

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about me, but wow.
But one of the things like it's

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funny and, and it's been, it'll
be a month tomorrow that I got

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the stent.
And a lot of people always ask,

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how are you, you know, and, and
what happened?

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And so I've told the story a
lot.

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And someone said to me today,
gosh, isn't it so weird that you

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were just living your life not
knowing that there was this

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blockage in your heart?
And it is very much like that,

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where he's living his life and
then bam, it's the beginning of

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the end.
And I think that's one of the

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the points of this movie, right?
Is that like it?

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It sounds so cliche.
It's like you never know what's

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going to happen and you don't.
And even when in Chuck shoes,

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you do know something is going
to happen.

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Maybe he doesn't know when he
can see.

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He's a little young.
He doesn't know when, but you

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know, hopefully he lived his
life as joyous or even as normal

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as you wanted it to be.
And I think that's maybe that's

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another take away I think from
this movie is you don't, you

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don't have to be a celebrity,
right?

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You don't have to be an
influencer with millions of

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followers.
You could still be successful

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and you can still find joy, even
if it's just in those little

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achievements in your life.
And I think that's what Chuck

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did right?
Yeah, his grandfather said a few

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times.
The waiting is the worst part.

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And I think when Chuck did see
himself, I think maybe he made a

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conscious decision to like,
maybe I'm not going to stress

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over this.
I hope you know we we lose a big

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chunk of Chuck's.
Life from college to right.

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Adult so we can only think that
maybe he just kind of lived his

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life and continued you know he
lost his grandparents ultimately

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as well so he seemed OK ish and.
And from what we know, right, he

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was a sick, successful
accountant.

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He had a partner and child.
And so he had, he made a life

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for himself.
He made a family for himself.

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And maybe that was enough for
him.

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Maybe that was the one thing he
was always missing in his life,

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was just that stability of
having that family.

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Yeah, because he lost all of it.
Yeah, constantly.

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You know, it's funny, we've
talked a lot about Chuck, but

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Tom Hiddleston himself is not in
the movie as much as you would

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think.
This movie starts off very much

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without Chuck.
You only see him as the mystery

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of like, who is this Chuck?
Thanks for 39 years inside his

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universe inside himself.
You know, the the beginning of

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the movie is him dying because
everybody contains the universe

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inside of them.
So there's so many players in

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this movie, everybody from Kate
Siegel, who we love, all the way

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to Matthew Lillard.
There's voice act, there's

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people that do voice work that
have been in the Flaniverse

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before.
Sling later Carla Cugino so.

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Yeah, literally.
This could be his, like, magnum

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opus.
This is like everybody he's

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really ever worked with is here.
Even baby Mel from The Haunting

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of Hill House is in this.
When she came in those skates, I

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was like and.
She's like a teenager now.

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So old, so it was really fun to
see all that, but was there any

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like stand up performances for
you?

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Well, like I said before, I who
I think is new to the

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Flaniverse, I thought Benjamin
Padjack really did an incredible

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job for such a young actor,
really carrying these scenes and

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adding so much heart to it.
Another like person that I

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thought really brought a lot to
it and they're not on screen was

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actually Nick Offerman as the
narrator of this.

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There's something about his
voice that I just find very

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soothing, and in this it feels
like he's almost telling you a

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tale of a life well lived.
He's he's very plucky.

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I don't, I don't know the right
word to say because he's not

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narrating it like a normal
narrator would narrate a movie.

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It's kind of like off the cuff,
but like nonchalant plucky.

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I really, it really worked well
for me.

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Yeah, almost.
He just has a great narrating

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voice.
Yeah.

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Yeah, I really enjoyed that.
How about you who who had some

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stand out performances?
Well, I mean, they all did.

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I think everybody, even Carl
Lumbley, who I think is the

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undertaker maybe and.
Inside Chuck it talks to Morty.

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Oh my God, Morty and Felicia's
story and there is just I think

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really beautiful and really sad.
I love that whole first act.

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I thought it was really good.
There's a there's a scene where

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Morty goes to find his ex-wife
and I think there's an

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interesting conversation there
of like when the world's ending,

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like who do you want to be with?
Like what is the thing that you

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find comforting?
And it goes finds his ex-wife,

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who is Felicia, and there's just
a scene where he gets to her

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house and there's ghost chucks
in all the windows.

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And as soon as she sees them,
she's like, oh, thank God.

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And like, that moment, to me, I
was like, this is so like, that

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first act in the movie.
I was like, I don't know.

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It just says so much.
It's like you just want to be

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with that person or in that
place that you just like, OK?

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It's it's when it all comes down
to it, when it's the final

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moments.
It's not about all the wrongs.

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It should be about all the
rights right for and when Marty

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and and Felicia come together
that last second.

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They're holding hands.
It's heartbreaking, and when you

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find out what that last second
is, it just gave me chills.

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Yeah.
Yeah, it's, it's very good.

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I think structurally they did a
really good job in telling this

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tale because the way it's told
adds to the story.

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One of my favorite scenes in
here, aside from the busker

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scene, which is just, I mean,
it's just so joyful and it's

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amazing.
I I keep going back and forth

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between two monologues that I
really like.

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That really stood out to me.
But I got to give it to Kate

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Siegel and the I Contain
multitudes monologue that she

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tells like baby Chuck.
It was just so beautifully done

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and to see these people that he
put inside of his universe that

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we're in passing or made an
impression in him was just

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really kind.
And I don't know, I just love

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the fact that this teacher who
tried to teach this class that

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wanted nothing to do with her,
but this one student asked her

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and she was able to make an
impression on him and that's all

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that matters.
And, and I think that in that

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scene, like you're saying, she
just needed someone to see her,

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but he also needed someone to
see him.

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They did it for each other.
They did it for each other and

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it, it was, you know, a student
and a teacher and it's just a it

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is a really beautiful moment.
And, and when you're listening

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to her, you know, the, the angle
that we see as the viewers that

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we are Chuck, right?
And she's looking in our mind,

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in our eyes, and she's telling
us all this stuff.

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And it's like, yes, I contain
multitudes.

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Yeah, I just love the like,
what's in between my hands and

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he's like my brain.
I'm like, that was me.

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That was me.
Absolutely.

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That still is me.
Yes, yeah.

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So yeah, I love.
Do you have any?

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Like stand up, perform like
scenes I would say.

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I keep going back to it, and
maybe this is because I was a

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little boy who danced, but there
is that beautiful moment when he

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gets to dance with the girl he
has the crush on and they knock

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everybody's socks off.
And you see, though, you see

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Felicia in the background,
right?

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She was just, yeah, she was just
maybe a faculty member or a

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parent, but she made an
impression on him.

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00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,280
And, and she lived in his mind.
And so that whole scene and, and

445
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,720
him not really getting any Flack
for being a boy who dances and

446
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,080
just enjoying it.
And even though his grandfather

447
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,120
told him it would get him
nowhere, he still knew that it

448
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:33,600
brought him happiness.
Yeah, the whole scene, like I

449
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,160
loved.
I can't remember what the the

450
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,800
after school program was, was
like spinners and twirlers.

451
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,920
Sounds about right.
I loved all of that.

452
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,120
I loved him learning how to
dance and like the whole class.

453
00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:46,520
And then he ended up teaching
the class how to moonwalk.

454
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,400
It was just beautiful.
But I loved, oh, just the the

455
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,320
scene where you find out why
Chuck started with the the two

456
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,760
fingers in the air when you see
his grandmother do it because

457
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,680
she just loved to dance and
listen to music that some rock

458
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,280
music, Yeah, maybe.
Or somebody her age didn't want

459
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,080
to listen to.
Just so good.

460
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,400
I think this is probably one of
the happiest movies, mostly that

461
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,920
we've ever talked about.
But isn't that so interesting

462
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,680
that it's like, it brings us
such joy, but it's about ends in

463
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,800
some senses?
Right.

464
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,320
Well, it's told in reverse.
So it's almost like we kind of,

465
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,840
we deal with the sad and get sad
in the beginning, but it's like

466
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,080
we deal with the sad, but then
we get to see him as a little

467
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,240
tiny kid.
Yeah, a little tiny kid, Yeah.

468
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,320
Oh, man, I'm just so excited.
Let us know what you think of

469
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,040
this.
If I had to rate it, I want to

470
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:35,880
rate it.
Let's rate it.

471
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,080
We need to get better at rating
things because what we're

472
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:43,080
reviewing, that's what reviewers
do. 4 out of five, Just I think

473
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:48,440
4 out of five it's, it's nearly
like great and perfect.

474
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,800
But, you know, there's just some
things where I'm like, yeah,

475
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,840
like the story itself doesn't
really give a lot.

476
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,240
And that's on purpose.
And it's like part of me just

477
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,720
wants more.
But I think 4 out of 5 is.

478
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,120
That's where I'm at.
I give it multitudes.

479
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,600
No, I give it I'm.
I'm actually going to give it

480
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:15,560
4.5 stars out of five.
Guys, this is like history

481
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,080
making.
It's a Stephen King story with

482
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,360
Mike Flanagan and Derek loves
it.

483
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,800
Just, you know.
Winning.

484
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,960
Just when sometimes in life you
see something or you read

485
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,360
something just at the right
time, and I think I saw this at

486
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:35,520
just the right time.
Yeah, well, if he didn't have

487
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,040
his heart almost explode.
I wouldn't have seen it.

488
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,880
I wouldn't have been able to say
he likes the Stephen King thing.

489
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,560
That's true.
Listen, things in life happen

490
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,040
and change your perspective,
yeah.

491
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,280
OK, Yeah.
Let us know what you think.

492
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,040
If you saw it, if you're waiting
to see it, why?

493
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,080
But yeah.
And stay tuned.

494
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,920
Or an interview.
Oh yeah, Karen Gillan.

495
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:56,720
How?
Can I forget?

496
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,000
Yeah.
It's not over yet, but you know,

497
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,360
it'll be over after the
interview.

498
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:04,800
So carry on.
Thank you so much for taking the

499
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,320
time to speak with me today.
I want to say that this film was

500
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,320
like at the top of my most
anticipated list for this year.

501
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,320
Wow.
I adore.

502
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,760
I adore it so much.
And also congratulations for

503
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,120
getting People's Choice a TIFF.
That's amazing.

504
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,560
Oh thanks, yeah that was wild
and so exciting.

505
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,520
Well deserved.
I wanted to start with just kind

506
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,320
of your initial thoughts when
you read the script for the

507
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,080
first time and getting to work
with my clan again again after

508
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,040
all these years because you did
Oculus what in 2013?

509
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,080
Oh yeah, I worked with Mike
right at the beginning of his

510
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,920
career and he brought me over to
America, literally got me my

511
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,160
visa to be in America.
So we were both, you know, way

512
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,120
younger and earlier in our
careers.

513
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,520
And I had such a brilliant
experience doing Oculus.

514
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,760
Like I still look back on that
and and yearn to be back there

515
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,920
doing that.
I'm so nostalgic for it and it

516
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,840
was just such a brilliant time
in my life.

517
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,880
So I wanted to reunite with him
for so long, to kind of just get

518
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,120
back to that sort of headspace
again 'cause it was so great.

519
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,000
And then I was like, when we're
working together, I, I visited

520
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,240
him on set and stuff.
And then he was like, we will,

521
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,840
we will.
And then he came to me with life

522
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,920
of Chuck.
And I would have said yes

523
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,960
without even reading it.
But of course I read the script

524
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,600
and was like, oh, this is a no
brainer.

525
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,920
It was just such a beautifully
written script and it made me

526
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,760
kind of really examine my own
life and how I'm spending my

527
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,520
precious time living it.
And I thought that's such a

528
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,320
special project to be involved
with.

529
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,240
Yeah, and it's one of those
things where it makes you feel

530
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,640
all the types of emotions,
right, of just, oh, what is it

531
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,880
like going to be at the end?
You don't know, Maybe you do

532
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,720
know, And then who are those
people and what's the joy that

533
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,160
you find along that way?
Or where do you want to be when

534
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,240
that time eventually comes?
And I think, and specifically

535
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,640
Marty and Felicia do such an
amazing job of, you know, you

536
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,720
guys kind of introduce this
mystery, this tone, this world

537
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,240
and what's going on, right?
You guys are the multitudes

538
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,400
contained inside of Chuck.
What went into bringing that

539
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,040
character to life?
Because this this movie is told

540
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,120
in reverse order, right?
And you guys are at the end, but

541
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:21,760
you're also at the beginning.
Yeah, I mean, from an outsider

542
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,560
perspective, I was aware of all
of that stuff, but when I was

543
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,720
playing the character, I kind of
just focused in on what she

544
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,720
would genuinely be feeling in
those moments.

545
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,440
You know, she wasn't aware of of
being in the head of somebody

546
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,520
else or anything.
She was genuinely just dealing

547
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,960
with the end of everything.
She's a nurse and people all

548
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,400
around her are giving up and
she's fighting hard to remain

549
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,360
optimistic in a really dire
situation.

550
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,040
And then finally, she reaches
out to her ex-husband Marty to

551
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,280
to feel love and comfort in her
final moments.

552
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,880
And yeah, it was just a really
interesting thing to ask myself

553
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,600
how I might feel at the end of
everything.

554
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,920
And so many different emotions
came up.

555
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,560
In the very kind of end of that
you guys meet you and your

556
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,480
ex-husband and you meet and you
get to be together.

557
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,720
And when she sees them, she's
like, oh thank God you're here.

558
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,640
So in a previous interview you a
question was asked like what was

559
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,480
your joy?
What is the joy that you find in

560
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,080
your day-to-day?
And you had said something about

561
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,720
it was like films, right?
Films are your your thing that

562
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,000
brings you joys, creating them
and being in them.

563
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,560
Is that still how you feel and
now?

564
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,800
And is there a film that brings
you joy no matter what, any time

565
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,000
that you put it on?
Now my answer would be my

566
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,080
daughter.
I've probably become a mother

567
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,720
since answering that question,
but yeah, films absolutely.

568
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,120
So bring me joy.
Actually, what's so fun is that

569
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,760
I get to show her films for the
first time.

570
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,840
Now, the films that bring me joy
and I get to watch her enjoy

571
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,600
them.
So that's going to be even

572
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,880
better because there's a whole
other layer on top of it.

573
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,400
But I'm going to say Little Shop
of Horrors.

574
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,040
For me, it is my joy film.
I just loved it as a kid.

575
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,000
I thought it was called The
Plant because my dad had

576
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,880
recorded it off the TV and put a
label on it that just said The

577
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,600
Plant and it was just my
favorite film growing up.

578
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,280
That's amazing and I'd love that
you get to share that joy with

579
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,440
your daughter and then you get
to see their joy of experiencing

580
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,520
those films, your favorite films
for the first time.

581
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,160
That's that's so special.
Was this is there?

582
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,440
What was your first introduction
to Stephen King like?

583
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,000
Are you Stephen King fan?
Do you read the books or was

584
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,680
this your kind of first tipping
toes into the water?

585
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,800
I'm much more familiar with the
film adaptations rather than the

586
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,680
books so.
But yeah, fan a fan of those.

587
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Absolutely.
Like The Shining is probably my

588
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,920
favorite film now.
Love it.

589
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,680
But I love so many of his
adaptations.

590
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,160
Shawshank Redemption and also I
love Gerald's Game.

591
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,680
I thought that was a brilliant
movie.

592
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,640
Another Mike Flanagan one, and
so hard to adapt to that story

593
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,000
because so much of it takes
place in the main character's

594
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,200
head and she's talking to
versions of herself.

595
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,040
But Flanagan found a way to put
it on the screen.

596
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,880
As he does right, he he likes to
adapt the unadaptable and

597
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,080
somehow can figure it out.
So I have I have like 2 more

598
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,400
questions for you.
What do you hope audiences take

599
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,520
away from the life of Chuck?
I hope that they go away and ask

600
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,560
themselves the same questions
that I asked myself after

601
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,560
reading it for the first time,
which was, you know, I asked

602
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,480
myself like, am I spending my
time the way that I'll be happy

603
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,960
about when it's the end of
everything and I can look back

604
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,800
and am I doing anything that
that I could be proud of?

605
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,640
And am I finding enough moments
of joy?

606
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,000
I think those are valuable
things to ask yourself.

607
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,400
I feel like a lot of media
doesn't actually ask us that,

608
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,720
right?
It's always it's it's we need

609
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,720
more things that are doing this.
Yeah, it feels like it's coming

610
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,760
at the right time.
Yes yes, very much and then you

611
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,120
you're in the MCU, you've been
in the universe, which I still

612
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,760
have to watch the finale.
It's it's out today.

613
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,080
I haven't been able to watch it
yet and then I'm so excited.

614
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,640
I saw that you were on
unleashed.

615
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,560
So that's right, the rumour says
that you're in Doctor Who

616
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,680
Unleashed.
The episode that's the like the

617
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,280
sort of a documentary, yes.
Yes, OK, very excited.

618
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,200
So MCU universe, the Flaniverse
as they've coined it.

619
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,360
So you've been in two kind of
properties that have Tom

620
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,560
Hiddleston in them, but I don't
think you've shared a scene with

621
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,120
him yet.
Is there?

622
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,400
Like, are you actively avoiding
it?

623
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,600
No, I'm just kidding.
I like to.

624
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,920
Be in films with Tom, but will
not be on set with him.

625
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,600
It's in my country.
Totally kidding.

626
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,800
I would love to finally be on
screen with him, for God's sake.

627
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,000
I'm such a fan of his work.
I think he's a brilliant,

628
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,840
brilliant actor and it would be
nice to finally share a scene

629
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,560
with him in one of our films.
Then not just the ghost kind of

630
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,800
apparition behind him in the
window, it's in this movie.

631
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,960
Yeah, exactly the real deal.
I want the real Tom.

632
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,120
Well, thank you so much.
Thank you for taking the time to

633
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,080
answer these questions.
And I cannot wait to see what

634
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,280
you do next.
And if you're going to be in the

635
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,000
next Flanagan thing that's
coming out, that would be

636
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,280
amazing.
Thank you so much.

637
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,960
Well, who knows?
Fingers crossed.

638
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,480
Thank you.
Cheers.

639
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,600
Bye.
Bye.