THE ROSES Movie Review

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Hello warring spouses, and
welcome to the episode.

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Today we are taking a bite of
the roses.

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I.
Was very excited when we got the

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I'm excited for people to see
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the roses.
So let us officially take a bite

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of the roses.
Written by Tony McNamara and

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directed by Jay Roach.
When the tides of their

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individual fortunes turn with
one freak storm, Ivy and Theo's

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once simple life becomes
complicated, revealing that

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these roses truly have thorns.
I was.

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Waiting for you to do something
with Thorns.

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That's right, and I also have
some other gardening references

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later.
Love.

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So what did you think of the
roses?

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I liked it a lot.
I think this movie feels like a

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2000s movie.
I don't know how to describe it

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other than that meaning that
like so Jay Roach, who did this

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movie, it did meet the Fockers,
meet the parents did had a stint

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of like political movies like
the campaign and bombshell and

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stuff like that.
But it does feel like that.

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It feels like those movies,
which I really much appreciated.

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I I'm glad that we're still
getting movies like this in

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theaters, but I liked it.
I think it was a little darker

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than I thought it would be, but
it was still really, really

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funny.
And this cast, if it wasn't for

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Olivia Coleman and Benedict
Cumberbatch as the leads, I

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don't know how it would have
worked in this particular story,

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but I liked it.
Yeah, I enjoyed it as well.

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I think that, you know, it's,
it's funny 'cause these types of

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movies I'm not really a huge fan
of.

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So the only way that I can
explain it is the everything

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goes wrong movies, right?
It's like constantly getting

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knocked down, knocked down,
knocked down.

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You're watching these characters
kind of just like flounder and

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fall apart.
And you know, there's a lot of

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revenge in this movie and taking
things out on each other.

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And so it it does feel very
reminiscent of like the meet the

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fockers and meet the parents or
even just like there's something

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about Mary where the main
character just keeps getting the

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crap kicked out of them.
And so that happens here as

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well.
And so usually I don't like it.

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But I think your point of the
cast is what's really important

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here because they are so good
playing off of each other as our

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leads here.
I mean, they are definitely the

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strongest part of this movie.
Yeah, and it's fun to see these

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British expats in America, so
there's some comedy there.

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But the story itself, I was I
had never read War of the Roses.

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I remember seeing War of the
Roses, which I believe had

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Michael Douglas and.
Kathleen Turner.

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Kathleen Turner Been a very long
time since I've seen it and it's

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different, the story, but it's
the same story, like the things

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that happened.
I believe it's like a medical

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diagnosis that kind of puts
everything into motion.

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And this one, it's more of like
careers that one takes off, the

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other one gets like kind of like
way down there.

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So I thought that was
interesting.

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I think that's more relatable
ish now than the medical

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diagnosis.
I think just because we live in

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a capitalistic society where,
you know, our jobs and our money

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mean a lot.
And so having these two very,

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very funny actors play off of
each other in this and get that

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spiral down to just hating each
other with a lot of fun to see.

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And I think there's something to
be said, at least for me, in my

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eyes, I see them both as really
dramatic actors, right?

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So this really is a dramedy.
There is a lot of chance for

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comedy in this.
And I think that they do a

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really good job leading that
comedy.

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Because The thing is, is that
like you said, this could be

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very, very dark.
But if they weren't there to

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lighten it and their deliveries,
I think while the situations

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make you cringe, they also make
you laugh a little bit, and I

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think that's really important.
Otherwise it would feel like

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you're just getting beat over
the head with the same thing

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over and over again.
I did like the, you know, from

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the trailers that makes it seem
like most of the movie is the

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hating part.
And I was actually surprised how

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most of the movie wasn't the
hating part.

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It was getting to that.
It starts off with them in that

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therapy session and, you know,
her calling him a cunt and stuff

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like that.
So it was really funny and kind

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of jarring to see our characters
at the lowest part.

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But most of the movie was
actually kind of sweet in a lot

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of ways.
And then when they eventually

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start turning into each other,
it happens really in the bulk,

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like 30 last 30 minutes of the
the movie, Which I actually kind

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of appreciated because I liked
all of that leading up to the

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revenge.
Because I think seeing the

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revenge felt a little more sad
because we got to see them

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really love each other, but saw
them distancing themselves.

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I did read something that
Benedict Cumberbatch had said,

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something like, you know, it's a
movie about seeing people so

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much in love with each other and
then hating each other.

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They skip the middle ground with
that.

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And I do feel that in the movie,
and it was actually fun to watch

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because you just go from, oh,
they love each other to, whoa,

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how did we get to this part?
And that's kind of the point of

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the movie.
If you don't take care of the

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middle part, you're just going
to be in the bad part.

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Well, you know, there is also
sort of this time jump that

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happens, right?
There's like a 10 year time jump

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and a three-year time jump.
I think it's like 20 years.

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Throughout the whole thing.
And, and so the a lot of that

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middle part I think is where
we're not seeing them fall apart

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a little bit day by day.
But you know, it's interesting

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because the way the character is
written and I, and I've been

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trying to figure out whether I
think that this is a strength or

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a weakness of the film is that
they're very good at

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communication, especially in the
beginning.

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So much so that sometimes it
feels like they are taking lines

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directly from like a couples
therapy book.

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And it's almost like, wow, if,
if couples that are this good at

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communication are falling apart.
What what hope is there for

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those that aren't good with
communication?

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But I love the self-awareness
that they have because I think

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that if you're watching it, you
can, you can see yourself in

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both the characters at the same
time.

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And the fact that like they say
things like, I really think I

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need to apologize to you, you
know, and, or even when they're

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talking to themselves, they're
like, just apologize.

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You could do it, you know,
you'll be fine.

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And it's so it's, it's so much
about communication, but

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ultimately how they fall apart.
It's almost like, is there

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communication for communications
sake or communication with

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intent?
A.

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Lot of communication.
Well, I think what's interesting

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about that is that yes, they're
good at communicating, but

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they're not good at responding
to that communication.

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And I think that's the key
because specifically in a moment

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that I'll point out that I
really remember is when a lot of

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shit is going wrong.
And this is when they're like

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foldy in the hatred train
without having yet said it in

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the film, and they're flying
back from New York.

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They went off to, you know, just
kind of cool off and like have

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their time.
It didn't go well at all, but

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Olivia Coleman's character goes
into the bathroom and she's very

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upset with like she clearly sees
something's wrong and she's like

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just go in there, apologize, go
go in there and apologize.

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And she does apologize, but then
he responds badly.

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So it's it just constantly
snowballs after that.

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But what makes this movie fun,
though, is that like, yes, it is

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kind of sad to see this lovely
couple, especially how they met.

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It's such like a not even a meet
cute.

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It's like a meet sex.
It's just so like romantic and

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only in like, I don't know, like
an architect and a chef could

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do.
But then to see them kind of

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hate each other is like, oh, but
the cast, the supporting

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characters in this movie really
make it so funny, So, so funny.

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And just add more layers to
this.

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I was actually really surprised
that Anchutti was in this.

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Anchutti Gottroa doing an
American accent, which I didn't

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at first, didn't clock, but then
I clocked it.

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Yeah, I I didn't either until he
said something at the, at this

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like horrendous dinner party
that they throw where he says

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something like, yeah, with her
accent, I can't tell if she's

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like happy or sad or, or
something along those lines.

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And I was like, wait a minute,
Is he not British?

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No, But the supporting cast is
really incredible.

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I think you know, one of the
standout roles in this is Amy,

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played by Kate McKinnon.
She has this bizarre, bizarre

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role.
Basically, she is with Andy

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Samberg, but all she wants to do
is have sex with Theo, Benedict

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Cumberbatch's character.
And there is one of the most

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awkward hugs that I think has
ever existed in cinema, where

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she's like rubbing her crotch
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Spoil it.
Don't spoil that.

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Yeah.
I mean, I think, you know,

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what's funny about her character
is that like, I couldn't

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separate SNL from her character.
I very much felt like it was an

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SNL character that they just
like plopped into this movie.

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It worked, but it was like, I
don't believe that you're

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straight, you know, like I'm
like, she reminded me of the

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what's the skit that she did?
It was with the kittens.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
That that's the character.

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I don't know why but this is the
character or the the like the

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farm stand that one.
That one I.

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Think is, yeah, that is the
character that I I see in this

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movie of that she's playing,
yeah.

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The big meat boy, Colin, Yeah.
Anyway, But yes, I agree with

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that.
I mean, and I think that's the

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thing with Kate McKinnon is that
she kind of sits solidly in one

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character archetype.
They just put her in different

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scripts and in different
costumes.

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But I still think you needed
that levity.

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I also think with these
characters, we, there's, there's

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some sort of comment here about
America, right, Because Theo and

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Ivy, they move from England
obviously over to America and

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there's their American friends
and they're obsessed with guns

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and they wear puffer vests and
they're.

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When we first meet them, they're
American friends.

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They're they meet them at a gun
range.

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Yeah.
And it is so uncomfortable, but

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it's like, Oh my God, this is
what America is like.

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And I hate that people think
this and the.

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Couples are like the American
couples are almost like getting

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off at the gun range.
They all are.

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They all get off on like really
weird things.

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Kate Mckennon's character is
married to Andy Samberg's

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character, which I I'm like like
iffy with Andy Samberg,

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especially his humor could
either be super bro Y or just

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like it's fine, like fart humor.
I actually really like the lane

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he was in this movie because
Kate Mckennon's character was so

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wild and out there.
Andy Samberg's character, Barry

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was kind of almost tamed, but
just like reacting to Kate

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Mckennon's like, Oh, we don't do
that.

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Let's like, Oh, we haven't
talked about that yet, you know.

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So it's really, it was fun to
see him restraint a little bit

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in that.
The other couple in this are

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Sally, played by Zoe Chow, and
Rory, played by Jamie Demetrio.

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Zoe Chow, I think is just an
incredible actor and whatever

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she's in and Jamie Demetrio, he
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He is Natasha Demetrio's
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So who played Nadia in What We
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So they're kind of this
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they're, well, they're also
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Theo, our main characters and
architect.

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of America and how they'll kind
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but with a smile on their faces.
He had, he had said something

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where because he's designing
this like Maritime Museum for

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the town that they live in,
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because it looks absolutely
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But he's talking to them about
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face saying, I hope it fails.
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uncomfortable that I'm like,
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entire movie and then comes back

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at the end.
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is weird.
It's super weird.

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Yeah.
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But I really liked I I think the
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It was so much fun.
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me say it's like a 2000s movie
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and they all have these, like,
weird, quirky things about them.

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And they're such characters in
the movie that just like, oh,

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you could point out, like, this
is my favorite part in the

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Like, those are the moments
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these types of movies.
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doing those.
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cringe inducing moments, you
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things that can happen in real
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make it farcical and that's what
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What was that?
I said fartsicle.

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Oh my.
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there's a lot also being said
about just being in a couple in

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general and how complicated it
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name of the movie, the roses.
You know, there's that saying of

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in every couple there's a flower
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it seems like they're both just
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needs.
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get to that part, yes, I I
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Like I it's interesting because
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the movie goes on because you
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Ivy is very much like I'm good
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I'm going to bake all these
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I used to be a chef.
I'm totally fine with this.

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Secretly she has this like thing
that could get big and it does

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get big and his job disappears
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But they have kids and these
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couples that have kids of like,
what things are you passing on

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to your children that aren't
healthy and are healthy?

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being an amazing athlete, but

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like, was that healthy for them
to grow up in?

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beginning, right, it shifts

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because when she's the stay at
home parent, they have no

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self-control when it comes to
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They're just going to eat and
they're going to be wild and

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have fun and don't care about
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But have fun.
But have fun, right?

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stay at home parent, then they
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And I'm sitting there going, is
there some school in Miami where

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kids can go and be athletes at
13 or 14?

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I mean.
Yeah, there's scholarships.

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Some colleges like Except young
kids for scholarships, yeah.

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I guess so, yes.
But they are they're robots.

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And so, but that's The thing is
that, and I think while there

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was that deal of she was going
to go off and pursue this

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culinary career and he was going
to stay at home, they never

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checked in with each other, no.
Right.

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Well, that's that middle part
that just never happened.

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So she was off living her dream
and he was home taking care of

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the kids, but only in his one
way of being able to take care

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of them.
And so that's where they kind of

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became these robot children.
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interesting.
You know, this movie made me sit

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back and it kind of makes you
reflect on yourself a little

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bit, I think.
How do I react in bites?

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What pieces of my parents do I
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You know?
And so it's it's interesting

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that this sort of comedic
dramedy mayhem could actually

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make you sit and think like,
damn, are we all just messed up?

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Well, that's, yeah, those those
are the sign of a good movie and

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a good writing, right.
And I I do want to point out,

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though, the wardrobe, whoever
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Olivia Coleman specifically, I
want all of her outfits.

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I don't like just they were
amazing.

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They were flowy.
The patterns, the use of lines

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going different ways.
I was like, mesmerized this

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entire movie.
But yeah, I think the movie does

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a good job of making you laugh
at them being like, oh, this is

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like an exaggerated version of
like stuff that happens in

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relationships, but it is kind of
gross.

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Like, I do hate the person I'm
with, but I don't hate the

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person I'm with.
Like that's like an an

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exaggerated version of it,
right?

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Because they're like, no, I do
hate you, but I still love you.

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It's, it's so bizarre to see in
like a scale like that because

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it's like, yeah, I guess you are
sharing your life with this

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person.
You're not going to love every

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aspect of them, but it's how you
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Right, right.
Yeah, it's it's definitely

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something to sit and think
about.

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But I also think of taking this
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It seems so these are like the
universal themes of the movie,

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right?
And I think it could take place

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at any time.
But there are certain things in

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this movie that I think really
solidify it in the 20 twenties,

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right as far as the use of
social media for both of their

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careers, how it takes one down
and builds the other one up.

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The idea of sort of like this
Alexa that controls their house,

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which is then used to in their
fight back and forth.

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So it's interesting that like, I
think it's, it's like the plot

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itself feels like an early 2000s
movie, but some of the details

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keep it firmly here.
But I think the the what they're

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going through is very universal
as a couple.

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Yeah, yeah, which was very smart
for them to do.

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And I like that they changed.
They clearly used the original

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as like a starting point and
kept all of that, but then made

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it their own.
And I do like that for remakes.

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I think like if we're going to
do remakes, this is a smart way

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to do it.
And it's been since the 80's the

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the last time we had it.
But yeah, I think it's really

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good.
I don't really want to talk

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about the final part of the
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I think that people need to
experience that because it is

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quite wild.
As soon as like, the dinner

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party happens, that's when it
starts getting like, oh, this is

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this is a lot.
This is a, this is a sign of

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like, there's no return from
this.

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I'm very excited for people to
see this movie.

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I think it's going to be one of
those like, Staples.

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It's a good date night movie.
It's a good, like, let's bring

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our friends to go see this.
Yeah.

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I, I think this was a surprise.
I didn't actually see the

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trailer before we got invited to
it.

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Saw the trailer and I was like,
oh, this seems like fun.

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Yeah.
Absolutely.

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It was fun.
Like we said, the cast is

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incredible and I think that
overall it'll give you a lot to

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talk about and also teach you
how to not throw a dinner party.

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Yes.
Yes, and also keep epipens if

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you have allergies.
Keep raspberries, yes.

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Keep them.
Keep them nearby.

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If you will end up seeing the
roses, let us know what you

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think.
You're in for a wild ride for

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sure, so buckle your seatbelts,
kids.

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Get rough.
So next time, bye bye.