Nov. 30, 2024

'Wicked: Part 1' Review | Best Musical Adaptation of All Time?

'Wicked: Part 1' Review | Best Musical Adaptation of All Time?
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'Wicked: Part 1' Review | Best Musical Adaptation of All Time?

What’s pink and green and soaked with tears? Our review of 'Wicked: Part 1' of course!

On the menu: How the movie compares to the Broadway show & book, Cynthia Erivo’s ability to make the world cry with just her voice, Ariana Grande’s vocal & comedic chops, the beauty of everyone swooning over Fiyero, the power of the silent dance in the Ozdust Ballroom, Part 2 predictions, & more!

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Just like green and pink, Noah
and I go quite well together,

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and I believe that you and
Abideov also go well together.

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So welcome to our episode on
Wicked.

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Pause for dramatic effect.
Play the big orchestral music

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like at the beginning of the
movie.

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Oh my God, wicked.
OK, we saw wicked, as I'm sure

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many of you have seen wicked.
We are very excited to just sit

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down, parse through everything
and just gush and talk about

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this.
Side note, I did want to say,

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you know, we we saw it a little
late because our little Kitty

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cat had surgery.
And so we were dealing with that

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and many of you are very kind
about just what we were going

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through and what the cat was
going through and everything.

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So I just wanted to like take a
tiny little moment, say thank

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you.
Thank you so much.

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Especially car and stuff.
Long time listeners sent a very

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amazing cat decoration for
Christmas and it's amazing.

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Yes, that somehow looked exactly
like Ziggy.

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I'll put the the photos here.
There.

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I just wonder, Karen and Steph,
maybe comment below, are you

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just very good gift givers in
general and we're just very

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lucky to receive a gift from
you?

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I think so, right?
They just must be very good gift

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givers.
I think that's what it is, yeah.

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They're fantastic.
Speaking of gifts, if you would

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like the gift of actually
watching her episodes, YouTube

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and Spotify, that's where we're
at.

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That's where you can see these
videos.

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We put stuff up on the screen.
You can see our faces.

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It's amazing.
So subscribe, do all those

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wonderful things, you know, be
be the the wicked good witch and

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do those things.
In some places, wicked is a

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slime slang term for very cool.
Yeah, wicked, man.

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So when they go look at her,
she's wicked.

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They're like, wow, she's so
cool.

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Oh my God.
All right, so I guess spoilers

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ahead.
The musical's been out for 20

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years.
The book that it's based on has

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been out since 95.
It's been 100 years since The

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Wizard of Oz.
We will try our hardest to not

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go too far into Part 2.
That's fair.

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I think that's fair, right?
Because even though it's been

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out for so long, people aren't
fortunate enough to see the

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musical.
I get it.

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You know, I don't want to spoil
that for you.

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So just be warned.
Spoilers ahead.

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You know, we don't want to be
bad.

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Wicked.
Yeah.

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All right, so you ready?
Yes.

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Let us officially take a bite of
Wicked Part 1, written by Winnie

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Holtzman and Dana Fox and
directed by John M Chu.

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Born a Vera descent visage in a
world of beige and pink, Alphaba

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has always been othered.
On the first day of her younger

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sister Nessa Rose's tenure at
Shiz University, Elphaba is

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sought out by Madame Marble and
forced to room with the

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exceedingly popular Galinda.
She soon realizes that the world

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she lives in is all an illusion,
and to take a stand you must go

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above and beyond, even defy
gravity.

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So what did you think?
Oh, general thought section.

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OK, that's a very loaded
question, I feel like.

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Yeah.
What did I think?

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Yeah, let me pull myself
together, right?

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I think, you know, I, I think in
this conversation before I get

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into like generally thoughts,
right?

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I think there's something that
might be interesting to talk

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about up top because I feel like
with this movie, with it being

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as big as it is, there is some
conversation on kind of just

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movie etiquette, right?
And if you've had, like, an

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interesting experience in the
theater, please, like, comment

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below or let us know because
some of them have been funny.

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And it's just like, this is
ridiculous.

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Like, I can't believe this is
happening in the theater.

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Ours was relatively calm.
There was like maybe 10 people

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aside from us in the theater,
but no singing.

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You know, there, there was no
singing, which was like, OK.

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The only thing that was bad
about like, just not like a big

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community experience was like, I
wanted to clap and some of the

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stuff and like nobody was doing
it.

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And I was just like, OK, yeah,
no clapping.

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I will say that I had to control
myself from singing, especially

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with those, or lack of a better
term, popular songs that

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everyone knows.
I kind of had to bite my tongue

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a little bit because I think
you're so used to listening to

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it on your own that belting it
out would be fun.

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But etiquette says let's not do
that.

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Although Dwayne The Rock Johnson
says we can sing, but also

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Cynthia Areevo said we can sing,
but I did not.

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I didn't warm up because so I
didn't, you know, it just wasn't

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as my peak performance for the
theater.

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I'm very curious what people
think about that.

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I part of me just feels like
they're a little disconnected

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from reality.
And it's like they have a lot of

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private screenings, right?
I didn't pay for like Mary Sue

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over here to hear her like off
key flat singing, you know what

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I mean?
I I I paid to see Cynthia Revo

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and Ariana Grande sing.
You know I.

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Want to hear those voices?
Right, So it's like maybe if

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it's a sing along, that's the
only time because it's expected.

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But like until we have like
private pods viewing experiences

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in movie theaters, I don't want
to hear it.

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That's that's just me.
Yeah, we we need like first

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class pods on an airplane
basically.

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I I would love that.
I would love that.

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I do like the community
experience of seeing a movie.

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I just sometimes don't want to
be around a lot of people, you

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know?
Like, I'm very much like there's

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just too much.
Yeah, well, I think that not

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being around a lot of people
goes isn't just about the movies

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sometimes.
Sometimes you just don't want to

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be around a lot of people in
life.

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Most of the time.
Fine.

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And I will say this.
So I went into this, I will say

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with no real expectations of
it's going to be the greatest

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thing on earth or I think
they're all, I mean, I would

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never think they're all going to
be terrible, but you know what I

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mean?
I went in just kind of like

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excited for the experience, and
as the movie went on, I was more

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and more invested in what was
happening.

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So I think that it would have
been very easily to have been

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bothered by outside things
happening just because I was

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leaning in so intently to hang
on to every word.

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Or note, yeah, I agreed there
was, and I'll just leave it at

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this with the movie theater
thing and we'll move on.

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There was one woman that I swear
to God, she was eating like

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cellophane for two plus hours of
this movie, just constant and at

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the wrong times, which I thought
part of me like 2 hours and I

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was just like this is hilarious.
Like you're waiting for the

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quiet moments to just and it was
so loud.

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I kept.
Trying to figure out what it was

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because it, it was like,
obviously because the popcorn at

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this theater came in buckets,
right?

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So it wasn't a crinkly bag of
popcorn.

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M&M's don't sound that loud.
It was almost like they brought

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their own.
Like you said, cellophane baggie

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of treats.
And just chewing on it like.

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Holy smokes, like a little goat.
Yeah, it was wild.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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So just if you're bringing stuff
from home, be courteous.

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Yeah, I just, I also think
they're like Noah said, because

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there, it wasn't a full
auditorium, there was no

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blending into the background
with any movement or any eating

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or anything like that.
So definitely made it stick out

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a little more.
But we survived.

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Yes, we survived.
So general thoughts on the movie

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yes, I think this.
I mean, I mean, I, I, I don't

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want to like bury the lead here,
you know, because I think if you

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follow us on social media at
all, you kind of know how we

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feel about the movie already.
I, I think this is how you do a

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musical adaptation like this is
the best possible case scenario.

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You have people that can sing
classically trained performances

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and everything people that can
act and you not only so shoot

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didn't he didn't take away.
He enhanced and added and made

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the experience more fulfilling
because you know, the the

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original play is as long as act
one in the movie, right.

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So we have two hours and 40
minutes that is stretched and

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it's just up until Defiant
Gravity and they're still in the

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play an hour left.
So with that time, it's like, Oh

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my God, that runtime is so long.
What are they going to do?

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They're just going to like
stretch things out.

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But I feel like you have to add
to that, right?

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The the film medium, you get
close-ups, you get more emotion

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coming from the people and you
get to expand on that story.

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And I feel like when you do
something like this, where a

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play is like inferred, you know,
the emotions are inferred with

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the singing and everything, This
is how you do it.

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So I think best case scenario,
this is the best possible

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adaptation we could have asked
for for Wicked.

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I think you're absolutely right
in the sense that the difference

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between the stage and the movie
is that the movie lets us sit

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with the characters in a lot of
these scenes.

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You know, I saw Wicked years and
years and years ago and

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obviously I was up in the
mezzanine.

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I wasn't close enough to really
see facial expressions or

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anything like that, you know,
just a regular person go on a

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Broadway show.
So this really, I mean, and I

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think in the show you're letting
the choreography take you there,

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you're letting the music and the
lyrics take you there.

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But in this, that in addition to
that is actually seeing the

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faces of the characters,
watching what they're

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experiencing, seeing them
compute what's happening around

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them.
And that's the magic of bringing

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it to screen.
And so like you said, they

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absolutely didn't take away
anything from the musical.

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They just enhanced the
experience for everyone now to

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see it, not just the people
sitting in the front row.

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Right.
And I, so I've not been

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fortunate enough to see it on
Broadway.

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I've seen it online, you know,
and chunks and stuff like that.

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And for what I could tell is
that the the Broadway play, and

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I don't know if you can speak to
this since it's been so long, is

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very fast.
Like it's very it moves, it

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moves and it keeps going right.
And then like in between songs

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and everything.
So it's like changing scenes

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pretty rapidly.
And the cool thing about the

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movie is that I feel like the
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kind of let it breathe a little
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And even going up to define
gravity, which I think we'll

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talk more in depth with later,
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some of that stuff.
And it's like, OK, now I'm

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seeing like kind of what's
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like how we really led to this
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So I like that.
I like that we were able to

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breathe and sit with this.
And then also because it's a

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movie, we got the spectacle of
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Yeah, I'll never forget what my
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old and I saw my first Broadway
show, she said, Derek, it's not

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like a movie.
It's not like TV.

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You really have to pay
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You really have to listen to
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they're singing.
Otherwise you might not know

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what's going on.
So it's a little less work for

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the audience in a cinema, you
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and I think for all ages as
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But yeah, I mean, as far as what
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beautiful piece through and
through the the music, which we

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all know.
I think that there are nods to

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what we know from the Broadway
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own little sparkle and oomph
with these actors taking on the

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role, these performers taking on
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So just All in all, I think
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emotional experience.
I cried probably 6 different

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times throughout and barely kept
it together and still haven't

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been able to keep it together
anytime I listen to any of the

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music.
I think I haven't had an

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emotional experience like that
in a movie theater and I don't

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know how long.
And I I think this I'm not

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comparing the two.
I think the only time I've had

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this emotional of experience is
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decade long build up to this

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amazing scene in the spectacle.
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audience's reaction and
everybody just flat out cheering

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when, you know, Captain America
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the portal scene.
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And I felt all of that, right?
And this because we kind of had

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like a very isolated experience
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I felt like I could really give
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I cannot tell you the first song
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The Alpha BA first sings in this
movie, The Wizard and I, I

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started crying and I'm like, I
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Know her.
I don't even know you.

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Why are you making me cry like
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It.
It was just so bizarre.

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Like as soon as she started
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shit.
Like, oh, oh, Oh no.

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Like we are 10 minutes and.
Oh shit, we're doomed.

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Yeah, it was just, it's just
such an emotional experience and

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part of it I can place, right?
Because I think this story we,

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we can see stuff, stuff in it,
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With being in the LGBTQ
community, there's just so many

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things that go on to it.
But also it's just like, I can't

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explain some of it.
It's just just the emotion and I

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guess just feeling it from those
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I don't know.
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there's some science to it where
Cynthia Arevo's voice hits a

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note that just makes everyone
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If she was a superhero, that
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She can bring you to tears with
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Blind you with your own tears.
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interesting because.
And again, it goes back to

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music.
So one of the last times that I

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remember feeling this emotional,
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entire piece of a movie was
actually up anytime that little

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theme came on and he would look
at the house and he would think

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of his wife, that would destroy
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And so here we are again.
And I think what it is like you

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said, is that this message of
being othered so completely by

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just you being yourself, right?
And for Alphaba, it's very much

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the color of her skin, right?
And, and for us, as we're

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saying, for us, it's being
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And what do you do in life when
from the moment you exist, you

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were told that you are wrong,
but still you have to live in

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this society, right?
How do you how do you live with

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that?
How do you go through every day

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and even when you're close as
confidence, sometimes your

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family isn't there to support
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It is horrendous.
And So what alpha does is that

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she pulls back, right?
And so we're watching this

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person realize that their true
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is actually what makes them
strong and will help them just

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become the greatest thing that
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Right, I I think this movie does
have layers to it and it does

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more themes than I would say the
play probably does.

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And especially thinking about it
now, it's like I and I agree

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with a lot of people that are
saying this, that alphabet

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should like should have been
played by a person of color this

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whole time.
That should have, but like it

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makes sense, right?
And there's just something about

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Cynthia's performance in this
that adding that extra layer is

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just like, oh, like I think I'm
getting some of this a little

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more because before it was like,
yes, she's green and like that

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makes her other, right?
And I think it, it's just

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playing it by somebody that can
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experience in some way just adds
to it, right?

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It just adds the emotion.
So I guess let's let's talk

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about the leads, right, Because
we're talking a lot about

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Cynthia, which I think we're
going to keep talking about

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Cynthia and she deserves it.
But I would say the leads are

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Cynthia and Ariana.
What did you think of Ariana's

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performance as Glinda into
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So again, I think the same thing
that I kind of went in with the

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expectations of the movie is
that with Ariana Grande, I

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didn't go in going like, Oh my
God, she just got it because

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she's Ariana Grande.
She doesn't have the chops to

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back it up.
I went into it going like, let

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me just experience this.
And I would say from her first

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moment, you know, when, because
when we are coming into this

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world, right, of where when
we're first meeting Glinda, it's

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after everything, right?
The witch is dead as far, you

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know, in this world.
And so we're seeing this

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character that we know is her
friend.

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And so I think Ariana is able to
deliver that layered performance

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of someone that is possibly
hiding a piece of themself to

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protect themself while also
trying to be the perfect model

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of what everyone should be.
There's the first piece that we

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get.
No one mourns the wicked, which

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what a spectacle.
What a, what a way to introduce

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this, right?
Especially the people have never

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seen it.
Thinking back on her performance

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and knowing what we know, right?
That happens because we see the

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opening shot of Alphabet's hat
on the floor with Smokey stuff,

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right?
We know melted.

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And we even see Dorothy with
with her three companions on the

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road.
And we know what happens at the

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end for The Wizard of Oz.
So we know what's going to

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happen, right?
And so we're seeing Glenda,

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right?
And I think Ariana does

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something so small but so big
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And any time that people are
talking to her or asking her

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questions or she's involved with
them in this particular scene,

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she's Glenda, right?
She's the good witch.

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She's the pink bubbly 1.
But then there's moments when

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she looks away from them, when
she's grabbing, you know, the

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fire to light the the effigy of
Elfaba.

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She's so like conflicted and
she's so sad because it's her

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sister.
It's her, it's her best friend,

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right?
So I thought it was so like

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interesting to play that up top
because I feel like if you don't

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know the story, it's just going
to be like, oh, this is like

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she's like kind of sad, but not
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Like she's like acting fun.
And it's just that's who Glenda

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is in a nutshell.
When she's in front of

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everybody, she wants to be good.
She wants to be good to please

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them and to make herself look
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As long as her comfort isn't
bothered, she's fine.

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As long as she gets ahead, she's
fine.

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But I think in this moment,
she's actually realizing that

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maybe I was the Wicked 1.
And I think that's what she's

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battling in that particular
scene, which I thought was

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amazing to show up top.
Yeah, I, I have to say, I for

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some reason, do not remember the
second-half of Wicked the play.

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So I'm kind of in the dark with
everyone else if they haven't

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read the book or seen the show.
So the main question that I keep

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having for myself is, is Glinda
a villain?

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Right.
What does it mean to sort of be

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passive in your allyship?
Complicit.

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Right in in this thing of I love
you, but I can't support you

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well.
I think there there's something

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that you said and popular in the
song popular and it's at the

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very end, I believe, and she
says, you know, something is

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like you'll be popular, but not
as popular as me.

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And I think that just it shows
you that it's like, oh, she'll

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help you, but like not enough to
where you're better than her.

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Right, right.
I I think that's what Glenda is.

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I don't think she's a villain
like I the the villains in this

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story are Madame Marble and the
Wizard.

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Like those are the felons.
I think Glenda and Alphaba are

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the themed are the message of
this story right?

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It's like good and evil isn't
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Because it's green and pink.
It's green and pink because you

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think Glenda is the good one
because she says she is.

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You think Alphaba is the bad one
because they say she is.

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Now we're getting the story of
like, oh, maybe just because.

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Madam Marble comes on the
intercom across all of Oz saying

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she's a wicked witch.
Kill her.

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Why would we believe that, you
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I mean, I guess when when your
name is one letter away from

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horrible, it's really the
writing is on the wall as far as

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Madam Marble is concerned.
But I think that there is a

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similarity though between Glenda
and Madam Marble in using

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Alphaba for your own gain.
Well, she's Alphaba is the

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scapegoat, right?
She she is the, the one that

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you're using to also
marginalized more people and to

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put the blame on if it needs to
be, but also to get what you

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want, right?
It, it's, it's, it's real fucked

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up.
And I, if you've never read the

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book, vastly different.
I remember trying to read the

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book and I'm in it now.
I'm reading the book now because

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I'm like, let me let me get
through it right?

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I'm in the fairy Wizard of Oz
mindset.

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It's read the book if you want
more of like kind of the

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politicalness of it and more of
the dark and gritty version of

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Oz.
Just be warned, there's like a

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lot of like insane stuff that
happens in there.

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But I think it's good to read it
if you want to, I don't know,

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see more of like, oh, this is
kind of how Oz works possibly

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within this story because it's
adapted from that book.

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This is just more of a like an
easier way to digest it, right?

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Well, that's like, I feel like
that's like with a lot of works

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and when they're when they're a
book originally and they're

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adapted into something else.
Especially the musical.

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Right, like the deeper stuff
kind of gets I I wouldn't know,

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let me rephrase that.
The more technical side of

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things tends to disappear a
little bit.

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So I think that would be an
interesting read, especially if

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you've seen the movie first to
then kind of go back and see

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kind of what the true Oz is, you
know?

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So oh and also wait, we can't
not talk about Ariana's voice.

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Yeah, I mean both of them, you
know, and you had said earlier,

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you know, I didn't I didn't go
on this being like, oh, she only

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got the part because blah, blah,
blah.

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It's like the fact that like
Cynthia, a more winning singer,

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Broadway, everything is cast it
as alphabet and they cast it

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Ariana, you have to just I mean,
it's like, yes, of course she

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can sing.
We all know she can sing, but

416
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,840
she can sing right like this.
And I think that it was so cool

417
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,440
to experience that because you
kind of hear it here and there

418
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,600
with her work, but it's more
pop.

419
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,600
This was so much fun.
And she can act.

420
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,760
I like, yes, she was on, you
know, shows when she was

421
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,880
younger, but this is different.
And it was just a pleasant

422
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,480
surprise.
I I like that she sounded or she

423
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,800
plays homage to Kristin
Chenoweth's version of Glenda,

424
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,640
but she still added her to it.
I really liked that.

425
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,920
Yeah, I think that this is very
much taking all of those pieces

426
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,040
of her career, right?
Her being a child actor on

427
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,120
Broadway and then going to be a
teenage actor on Nickelodeon and

428
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:05,880
then being a 20 something pop
star.

429
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,840
It took all of those things.
Her comedic timing, her singing

430
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,480
chops, her ad libbing smush them
all together and it just so

431
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,680
perfectly fit into the pink
powder puff that is Glinda.

432
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,440
And she's so funny.
She is so funny.

433
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,240
I think one of my favorite
moments for her, this is

434
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,080
probably like a role of a
lifetime for her, right?

435
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,840
It's like we've seen the videos
of her little singing these

436
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,080
songs and it's just like a cool
full circle moment.

437
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,400
So you were made to play this
role, like this is your role.

438
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,520
But she's so funny.
And I was so happy that it

439
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,200
wasn't like, oh, she's just
playing dumb.

440
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,880
Her timing was so good, so good.
The my favorite one, I think is

441
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,200
when she's talking to everybody
about changing her name, right?

442
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,200
Because that's what she thinks
is going to be like a stand, I

443
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,080
guess, for Professor Dillamond.
And she's like, I'm going to no

444
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,960
longer go by Golinda, going to
go by Klinda.

445
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,720
And then they were like, what
are you going to take me?

446
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,520
And she's like, yes, yes.
The hair tossing.

447
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,440
Oh, it's so good.
It's so funny.

448
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,720
Yeah.
She was really funny.

449
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,640
I absolutely loved it.
And I also want to say that,

450
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,720
like, you know, I don't think
when you think Ariana Grande

451
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,720
that you think, like,
choreography queen, right?

452
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,920
I mean, she dances and does
stuff like that, but I think

453
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,520
that she really held her own in
a lot of the dancing as well.

454
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,280
I just think that she nailed it.
Speaking of beautiful nails,

455
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,760
Cynthia Erivo.
Yeah, as Alphaba.

456
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,960
Yeah, I mean, we've been talking
about her.

457
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:37,400
I, I, I just think that she
deserves her own moment here and

458
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,520
that I actually want.
I wanted more Alphaba.

459
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,480
I wanted more Cynthia Erivo.
I actually felt like we spent a

460
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,640
lot, like we spent a little more
time with Glinda than we did

461
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,760
with Alphaba sometimes.
Do you feel that?

462
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,680
I did.
I feel like it was even.

463
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,520
Or maybe that's the problem it
was even I didn't want it to be.

464
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,600
Well, I I think the second-half
is a lot more Alphaba from what

465
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,320
I can kind of piece together,
but I could be wrong.

466
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,800
I agree.
I mean, I it's also it was just

467
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,480
captivating her experience.
Her her performance was very

468
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,680
captivating.
So I can see I wanted.

469
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,200
More, I was fully enraptured by
her every time she was on the

470
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,200
screen.
I couldn't.

471
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,560
I couldn't wait for her to sing.
I couldn't wait for her to

472
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,920
speak.
I just was completely enamored

473
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,040
by Cynthia's performance.
Speaking of performances, let's

474
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,080
go to supporting.
They're all great.

475
00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:26,720
I think, you know, Jonathan
Bailey did what he needed to do.

476
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,080
Very charming.
You don't like him at first, you

477
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,640
like him now.
His specialty?

478
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,400
It's very we're noticing.
Yeah.

479
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,840
And you could tell like he was
filming this during other things

480
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,600
just because it was like very
much that Jonathan Bailey and he

481
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,760
was pulling from all of that.
Loved it so much.

482
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,880
Bach or BIC, great.
Some of these characters is

483
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,280
like, oh, cool.
Like they're there.

484
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,280
I guess we'll wait to see a
little more of them.

485
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,880
Nessa Rose, Fantastic.
I think baby Nessa Rose

486
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,360
delivered one of the greatest
lines.

487
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,480
The greatest single word line
delivery of all time goes to

488
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,640
baby Nessa Rose.
Yeah, yeah.

489
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,440
I when that when that happened,
I like couldn't handle myself.

490
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,440
I was like ready to scream.
It was the cutest thing on

491
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,840
earth.
It was so cute.

492
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,360
Bow and Yang funny there for
comedic relief, but Michelle

493
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:22,400
Yeoh and Jeff Goldblum.
Jeff Goldblum I feel like is

494
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,840
always just playing Jeff
Goldblum.

495
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,760
So it's like he's fine.
He sang well, he's fine.

496
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,280
Michelle Yeoh a presence, a
presence.

497
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,640
The two claps I was just like.
I mean, it's Michelle.

498
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,200
Yeah, She has power.
She has the power and love it.

499
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,840
Yeah.
And I think that she, she had

500
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,040
another an interesting role in
this as well, of us not knowing

501
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,880
her true intentions for working
with Alphaba right the whole

502
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,960
time.
And so we're so excited that

503
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,960
someone is finally seeing
Alphaba for who she is and how

504
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,240
wonderful she can be.
But in reality, it's to be used

505
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,360
for what someone else thinks is
a greater good.

506
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:02,400
But it's actually a horrible
thing.

507
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,480
Right, right.
And she's obviously the one that

508
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,680
wrote animals should be seen and
not heard.

509
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,360
Or she was complicit in doing
that.

510
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,760
What a jerk.
What a jerk.

511
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,320
She played it so well.
I actually like seeing Michelle

512
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,200
Yeoh play a villain and like, a
layered villain like this.

513
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,560
And also for her to, like, kind
of speak, sing a little bit.

514
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,880
Whipped it.
Yeah.

515
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,160
I just want more of her.
I agree.

516
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,080
And I think that one of the
things that you said before and

517
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,120
what's really even when you
think about this entire filming

518
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:35,400
process, right?
I think you had mentioned to me

519
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,720
that it was something like 160
days of filming straight for

520
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,440
both parts.
And so they were all doing a

521
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,080
million other things, right?
Jonathan Bailey was doing

522
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,280
Bridgeton.
He was also doing fellow

523
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,920
travellers.
Michelle Yeoh had to leave to go

524
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,240
get to go win an Academy Award
for Everything Everywhere All

525
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:55,680
At.
Once.

526
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,680
If you haven't seen the video
that the director posted of

527
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,960
Michelle Yeoh coming back to
set, holding the Oscar and

528
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,400
everybody just cheering for her,
I think that's why I like not to

529
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,760
like, touch on the interviews
and the press that has been

530
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,320
happening with this.
Whatever.

531
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,960
If they're emotional, they're
theater kids.

532
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,760
It makes sense.
But just seeing this and

533
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,040
everything that they've gone
through together, like crafting

534
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,320
this amazing story and how close
they are and seeing that video,

535
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,200
it's like, I get why they're all
crying Anytime anybody

536
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,000
compliments them or they
complement each other.

537
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,200
I would cry too, so.
Yeah, imagine so.

538
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,600
I can't listen to the soundtrack
without crying.

539
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,600
Imagine being the one that
performed those songs, that had

540
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,480
to live those songs, that had to
bring the true emotion to those

541
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,080
songs.
I'd be crying all the time, too.

542
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,640
They must just be Downing
bottles of water.

543
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,080
The hydration on this media tour
just must be at full throttle

544
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,360
110%.
The makeup artists probably were

545
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,320
pissed.
Like, God, I just have to keep

546
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:53,960
doing this.
They're.

547
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,640
Just always there with the brush
just ready.

548
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,840
They just know they're like on
3/2 and the waterworks OK going

549
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,520
in.
Into the press tour as well.

550
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,800
But yeah, I I think everybody in
here, I don't have a problem

551
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,280
with the single casting.
And I think that's why, like,

552
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,120
this movie is being attributed
as like one of the greatest

553
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,400
musical adaptations there is
because casting is amazing,

554
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,520
singing is amazing, choreography
is amazing, The set pieces.

555
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,840
I, I think like if I was to put
on my film critic hat, I would

556
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,600
say it's like, yeah, that's not
perfect.

557
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,120
Like there is definitely I think
some weird lighting that happens

558
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,320
throughout this movie.
But that's just me.

559
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,520
It didn't take away from the
experience.

560
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,120
You know, I think John Chu had
said something about the reason

561
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,280
why it wasn't, like, so vibrant
and bright like The Wizard of Oz

562
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,880
is because he wanted to make it
a little more realistic, like

563
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,920
make the stakes feel real.
And I kind of agree with that.

564
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,800
Like, did you notice anything of
like, oh, this is a little too

565
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,000
beige.
This is a little too like not

566
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,680
what I think of when I think of
The Wizard of Oz.

567
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,280
Well.
Just the production I guess.

568
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,320
I would say that I think there
is Like when you think of

569
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,440
Munchkin Land right from The
Wizard of Oz, it's so bright and

570
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,120
so colorful and so floral.
And then when we're in Munchkin

571
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,240
Land in that celebration in the
beginning of the film, it felt

572
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,880
more like a town, like a regular
town.

573
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,920
I mean, there was still color in
things, but it felt a little

574
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:26,320
more rooted in also the thought
of these are sort of the

575
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,600
commoners of Oz.
So they wouldn't be wearing

576
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,760
lavish purples and, you know,
heavy fabrics.

577
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,440
They are just normal people
living their lives, right?

578
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,680
We see them in their jobs, their
dyeing fabrics and things like

579
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,760
that.
So it makes sense.

580
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,000
But because we're so saturated
with The Wizard of Oz, and of

581
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,040
course, the whole big thing with
the Wizard of Oz was that it

582
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,360
went from black and white to
Technicolor.

583
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,920
You know, to really see those
Ruby slippers because they

584
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,200
popped off the screen, it had to
be that spectacle to deliver

585
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,480
that.
Whereas this, I think is a

586
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,720
little more as funny as it
sounds, grounded in reality

587
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,240
sometimes.
Yeah, and I, I appreciate that

588
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,280
approach, but it still felt
fantastical.

589
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,600
It still felt like Wizard of Oz,
which I appreciate it.

590
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,800
And it's like, yeah, they wanted
to show off colors.

591
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,520
Of course it was going to be
just like over saturated.

592
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,720
And it is hard to not compare it
to, I would say probably the

593
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,600
greatest American folk story or
just myth or whatever you want

594
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,040
to call it in history.
Like Wizard of Oz is that girl.

595
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,480
It's almost 100 years now.
And everybody is still trying to

596
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,880
retell stories like it, so it's
hard to compare it to that.

597
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,920
But I think production and set
design, I love that they just

598
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,080
did physical sets.
I'm so happy they did it because

599
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,720
it just felt real.
It felt like, oh, this is an

600
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,280
actual place that I wish I could
go to.

601
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,240
Not like, oh, this is fake.
Like, you know, I'm just glad

602
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,520
that they did that.
Yeah, it just it worked for it.

603
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,840
And I think other details,
especially like in the costuming

604
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,400
is what kind of turned it up a
notch right in the Emerald City,

605
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,680
the Emerald City.
But also just think about simple

606
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,760
things as Alphabus glasses and
Fanny's glasses, right?

607
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,480
They were just, they just had
that little tweak in them to

608
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,600
make it, ah, fantastical.
Right, right, right.

609
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,880
They just, oh, it's a little
different, but like I would wear

610
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:16,800
that.
Right, right.

611
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,280
They weren't just wearing
tortoiseshell.

612
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,160
You know, hey.
Nothing wrong.

613
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,880
Tortoise shell.
I love tortoise shell.

614
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,720
I wore those for years.
Yeah, I agree.

615
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,440
I think costuming, everything,
you know, I I believe I could be

616
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,800
wrong.
I I don't think I'm wrong

617
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,320
actually, is that a lot of the
set and production people and

618
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,560
choreographers came from Wonka
and In the Heights, which John

619
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,480
Sheep did In the Heights and
they came and worked on this.

620
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,120
So you can really tell like
those Wonka sets and everything

621
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,960
they built really bled into
this.

622
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,680
So keep doing that.
I'm very excited for Part 2.

623
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,160
I like we have to slow our
rolls.

624
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,640
It's like I think we're like at
like 360 like 2 days away from

625
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,720
Part 2.
So we still have a bit to get

626
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:00,960
there.
Oh.

627
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,440
My God, we need so much more.
Maybe we'll just have to go see

628
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,240
it on Broadway.
Like that's what we'll have to

629
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,400
do.
Just to hold us over.

630
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,680
Yeah, I mean, that sounds
lovely.

631
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,720
So I guess stick sticking with
some of the technical stuff

632
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,240
before we get back to the story
and Divine Gravity, what did you

633
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,800
think about the pacing of it?
Right, Because we kind of

634
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,960
touched on earlier that the
original Broadway play is about

635
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,040
two hours and 40 minutes, which
act one or Part 1 of this movie

636
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,320
is 2 hours of the.
Entirety of that runtime.

637
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,160
Yet.
And there's about an hour left

638
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,560
of story for Act 2.
Do you, did you appreciate the

639
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,800
pacing?
Like, did you feel the two hours

640
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,880
and 40 minutes?
I really didn't.

641
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,480
I will say that I was fully
entertained the entire time.

642
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,560
And, you know, I think of
sometimes with a longer movie,

643
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,560
you know, you're, you know, just
because there's such big sex

644
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,760
spectacles, let's say like a
Marvel movie, right?

645
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,240
That can be 2 1/2 hours.
And sometimes I'm a little lost.

646
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,760
I'm like, wait, where?
Wait, where are they flying now?

647
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,640
Like what is happening?
Sometimes they're, you know, and

648
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,760
I get lost in the sauce and it
feels like, Oh my gosh, they're

649
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,360
still 45 minutes left.
I have no idea what's happening.

650
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,920
Whereas in this, I completely
knew what was happening in the

651
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,840
story.
I was able to keep up the entire

652
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,560
time, and I never once checked
my watch, you know, I was always

653
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,080
fully in it.
I mean, what did you think?

654
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,800
Yeah, I agree.
I I, I don't think I felt the

655
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,800
two hours and 40 minutes.
Only when I heard cellophane

656
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,679
being eaten was I was just like,
Oh my God, they're still doing

657
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:35,080
that.
Like it made me be like, oh,

658
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,440
we've been here for like 2
hours.

659
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,320
Yeah, but it had nothing to do
with the movie, so that's a win.

660
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,840
They there is also, they also
had a little one with them who

661
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,760
wanted to know how long the
movie was.

662
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,040
And then they were like it ends
at like they whispered it ends

663
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,040
at 12:20.
So the only reason I knew it was

664
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,040
12/20 'cause then the little kid
went it's 12:20 and it's still

665
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,639
not over.
What a little stinker.

666
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,280
So I was like, OK, well, it's
1220.

667
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:57,880
Good.
All right.

668
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,480
The movie started at 9:50.
Got it.

669
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:00,640
I know how long we've been in
here.

670
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,840
We have this much longer.
Yeah, exactly.

671
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,480
But yeah, I think that the
pacing was amazing.

672
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,840
Also, they did such a good job,
I'm going to attribute this to

673
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,040
the director just cause most of
the time they do blocking and

674
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,040
everything for for the shots and
this is coupled with the

675
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,000
choreographer.
But they did such a good job of

676
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,520
making you feel like you were in
the performances and just like

677
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,800
how they framed these shots,
especially with No one mourns

678
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,600
the Wicked or dancing through
life.

679
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,160
I just really appreciate it like
what we were kind of feeling or

680
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,080
like the emotions that they were
showing during those

681
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,000
performances.
I just very much liked it.

682
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,800
The choreography was so much
fun.

683
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,320
Yeah, the choreography was a lot
of fun, and I think especially

684
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,840
is in Jonathan Bailey's song.
What?

685
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,880
Is it dancing through?
The I was going to say, walking

686
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,920
through life, dancing through
life.

687
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,280
Nobody walks through life, they
dance.

688
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,040
I mean, shame on me, I'll just
put this flat out there.

689
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,640
Not that it was bad, but not one
of my favorite songs.

690
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,360
I felt like it could have been
more.

691
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,920
But anyway.
More than three rotating

692
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,240
libraries.
That's not the song.

693
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,400
OK, OK, so that's.
But that was my point is that I

694
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,840
loved in that scene in
particular that the choreography

695
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,120
was really interacting with the
physical set, right?

696
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,240
It was so much about the
turning, the twisting, the

697
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,280
stepping of books, the UPS, the
downs, and that was so much fun.

698
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,240
Right, right.
And I like that in the

699
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:27,280
choreography, like, again, I'm
not going to whatever.

700
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,880
How like Fiero was specifically
dancing a certain way, how Bach

701
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,600
was dancing a specific way, how
these characters were just like

702
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,120
their characters.
I thought it was a fun little

703
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,160
nod to them.
And also like that extra layer

704
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,040
of like, Fiero is like the F
boy, right?

705
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,960
Like literally the F boy.
And he's kind of dumb.

706
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,400
And so, yeah, but like him
dancing and stepping on books

707
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,720
'cause he's above them, you
know, or just like, doesn't use

708
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,160
them.
It was, it was pretty funny.

709
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,080
I just like the extra layer of
like paying attention to that.

710
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:00,800
It was really.
Fun.

711
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,080
And I think we also need to to,
since we're on the scene right

712
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:10,280
now, talk about how regardless
of gender or identity, everyone

713
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,640
is just drooling over Fiero,
right?

714
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,400
And so watching this, like I
wonder what it would have been

715
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,040
like for me as a teenager seeing
this and going like, wait a

716
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:26,880
minute, I'm allowed to see other
male presenting people loving on

717
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,880
a male character in a musical.
Or even like swooning, right?

718
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,200
Or even maybe not just dancing,
'cause I think there's this

719
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,240
thing that happens in musicals
where like the guy, right, this

720
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,000
is Fioro.
He's like dancing with like the

721
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,200
girl, but also dances with other
people in the ensemble.

722
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,520
And it could be in a sexual way.
It could not.

723
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,840
But the fact that Fioro's
character did that with multiple

724
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,120
different people of different
genders and spectrums was

725
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,880
amazing.
And you did get to see that,

726
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,600
which I liked because it's like,
oh, maybe Piero's not straight.

727
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,680
Maybe he likes everything right?
And I love that you don't know,

728
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,920
and it doesn't matter.
And I just love that, like, even

729
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,800
though the Wicked story hasn't,
it's not queer.

730
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,520
It has themes of like queer and
otherness and minority and

731
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,520
everything I liked in this that
they made sure to show other

732
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,240
people.
It's like, oh, that Bowen Yang's

733
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:24,000
character obviously is swooning
over Fiero.

734
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,560
I love that.
Right.

735
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,520
And it was never questioned in
any way, right?

736
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,000
It was like everyone was just
allowed to be in love with

737
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,400
Fiero.
When he danced like I can't, I

738
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,560
don't know who it was, but
during dancing through life,

739
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,760
when he was like on that guy, I
was just like, yeah.

740
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,760
Right.
It was just like, so exciting to

741
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:49,840
see because it's so rarely done
without the idea of going like,

742
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,800
see, love is love.
It's just like, no, everyone's

743
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,280
in college and they're horny,
you know?

744
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,320
And it's like, that's it.
It's like, yeah, you're right.

745
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,240
You're right.
All right, let's 'cause we're

746
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,800
speaking about songs, let's talk
about the songs, right?

747
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:10,040
What was your favorite song or
musical moment or whatever?

748
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,160
OK, I've thought about this a
lot.

749
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,200
I still don't think I have an
answer.

750
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,400
Well, I, I please, but so the
one I'm going to talk about

751
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:24,120
though, is the Wizard and I.
OK, OK, so granted, this isn't

752
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,120
just specifically to the movie,
it's also the musical.

753
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,320
What I love so much about this
song is that we get to see Alpha

754
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,320
BA.
Feel jubilant, right?

755
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,160
Feel happy, feel excited.
About the future, About the.

756
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,880
Future right?
But what's so clever about these

757
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,400
lyrics is that as you're
listening to her sing, all of

758
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,960
those things will come true.
But it's almost a not even be

759
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,640
careful.
You have to be more specific

760
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,680
with what you're wishing for,
right, right.

761
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,320
And so you know, there are lines
and I'm not getting these

762
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,200
verbatim right.
So please forgive me where she

763
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,360
says things like there will be a
celebration in all of Oz for me.

764
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,120
And what we know in watching
that is that the celebration is

765
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,480
actually because of her death.
She says things like, I can't

766
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,640
wait to be standing with the
wizard and feeling things I

767
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,120
never felt.
And in that what we're, what we

768
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,040
really know by the end of it is
that it's.

769
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:19,440
Disgust and anger.
And so all these things that

770
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,400
she's so excited to happen for
herself actually have a dark

771
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,320
turn to them in some ways.
But I will also say that the end

772
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,520
part where she hits that just
glorious and extraordinary note

773
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:38,720
and I and I, she's in a field of
wheat or something on a mountain

774
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,120
top or something.
I don't even know.

775
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,600
But nothing beats a moment like
that in a musical.

776
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,840
And it's the first solo musical
number for ELF.

777
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,320
Yes.
And so one of my favorite songs

778
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,200
from Beauty and the Beast, the
animated, you know, original

779
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,880
version of it.
Is not that shitty live action

780
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:03,320
but is sorry Emma, I love
evermore anyway.

781
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:08,640
Anyway, is the Bonjour reprise
where of course it is.

782
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,520
Belle has this moment of wanting
more than this life, and where

783
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,240
does it end?
In a field of wheat where she's

784
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,560
just singing that note out.
And then Philippe comes and she

785
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,720
realized that her dad isn't OK.
But anyway, so I love that

786
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:23,280
moment from Beauty and the Beast
and having.

787
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,800
Sound of Music, Yeah.
It's like seeing a character

788
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,640
know that there's more for them
in this life and that they can

789
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,400
achieve it.
Literally the sky is the limit.

790
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,080
Like those are those scenes.
I just, I think every time I

791
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,720
keep thinking about like, what
is my favorite song?

792
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,360
I love all of them.
I don't think so far, like I'm

793
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,960
very excited to hear the two new
songs that they wrote for Act 2

794
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,280
for Glenda and Elphaba.
Very excited for that.

795
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,600
I do know that most of the
popular songs are considered

796
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,720
best songs are are in act one of
these songs.

797
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,720
I just I love them all.
Wizard and I, I just keep going

798
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:06,720
back too, because I think
everything you said, yes, 100%.

799
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,960
But it was just like that first
moment of like I am in for

800
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,120
something that I wasn't
expecting.

801
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,160
I expected to be entertained.
I didn't expect to be, I don't

802
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:22,160
know, shaken and like just, I
don't know, thinking about it in

803
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,680
a different way for like a
musical adaptation of what like

804
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,200
what they could be and what they
could do.

805
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,960
But I do have to say, and it's
not even a song and I feel like

806
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,040
I'm cheating with this, the Oz
dust ball.

807
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:36,800
I feel like I'm just shoehorning
it in here.

808
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,240
So that way we make sure we talk
about it.

809
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,480
But like I can't with that whole
scene.

810
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:47,760
It was so perfectly active.
The just things that Cynthia did

811
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,240
with her face, not even saying
anything.

812
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:53,920
I just like that.
What if this movie doesn't get

813
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,080
an award?
It should get it just for that

814
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,040
scene.
And I I don't want to be like

815
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,800
kind of hyperbolic about it or
anything.

816
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,000
It's just like it's so good and
I don't really know why.

817
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,560
Like, I feel like we've all been
in that situation before where

818
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,080
we felt like even if everybody
wasn't staring at us, but we

819
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,880
felt like, oh, I don't belong
here, but I have to keep being

820
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,120
who I am because what else am I
supposed to do?

821
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,520
If I don't, then I'm going to be
completely broken and I'm not

822
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,560
going to be who I'm supposed to
be.

823
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,200
Yeah.
Yeah.

824
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:28,200
But you know what I mean?
It's just so great.

825
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:31,200
Yeah, I think that.
That's my professional critique.

826
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:38,360
I think that, you know, one of
the things that was, Oh no, one

827
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,200
of the things that I think stuck
with me about this whole

828
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,960
experience was that like, we
were kind of speechless after

829
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,880
seeing it and.
We sat there for like 20

830
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,160
minutes, just like, not really.
Thinking so because we would

831
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,960
start crying and so.
And we ate burgers after and

832
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,000
then.
We ate burgers and we were just

833
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,040
like, so it was just hilarious
because it was just like an

834
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,840
insane lunch rush.
And we were just like eating

835
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,640
these burgers, trying not to cry
into our, like, dipping sauces.

836
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,400
It was ridiculous.
But so this scene in particular

837
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:14,920
is a turning point right for
these two characters where they

838
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,440
come together.
And almost as as a viewer, we

839
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,560
are seeing Alphaba.
This is what we've wanted for

840
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,640
her.
We've wanted her to be accepted,

841
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,120
we've wanted her to be loved.
We've wanted people to look at

842
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,040
her with awe and admiration and
not with disgust, right.

843
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,280
And so that is happening in the
scene.

844
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,560
But what's so interesting about
it is that there really isn't

845
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,720
much said.
Nothing is said.

846
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,680
It's dancing and the fact that
nothing is being said, but

847
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,240
Cynthia is crying.
Alphabet is crying.

848
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,400
And she's still performing.
Yes, but it's it's just so

849
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,520
impactful.
I I the thing that they, I

850
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,400
believe they said this was like
kind of ad libbed, like this

851
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,080
whole scene was like
choreographed, but it was like

852
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,960
ad libbed.
And I and for my understanding

853
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,360
what I've heard, because again,
I haven't seen it, is that this

854
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,360
part in the play was kind of
played more as like a joke.

855
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,240
It was like, it's not as serious
as they made it in the film.

856
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:14,200
But this is again, why these
things are so powerful.

857
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,200
And if you do it right and with
care, because we get a scene

858
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,080
like this, like just the fact
of, you know, her sister is

859
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,680
there and she actively,
physically and emotionally

860
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,520
pushes away.
She's just like, I'm not going

861
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,640
to like, this is your thing.
I'm not going to do this.

862
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,520
And I I sympathize with her in a
way.

863
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,240
Like, of course, I want to be
like, I can't wait for like the

864
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,320
house to fall on you, you know,
But also it's like she's been

865
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,160
othered her whole life as well.
She is, she's in the same

866
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,080
situation as her.
Why draw more attention to

867
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,600
herself?
Like she has her man now.

868
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,680
I get it.
But the fact of like, Kalinda

869
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,520
got what she wanted because
Elvaba thought she actually

870
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,400
helped her sister.
And it's still in the end,

871
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,840
Glenda got what she wanted and
she didn't do it for the right

872
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,600
reasons.
And it's just, I think in that

873
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,680
scene, you're kind of just
seeing it and you're like, yes,

874
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,440
Glenda's finally like stepping
up for her, but it's like she's

875
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,480
only doing that because it makes
herself look better.

876
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,680
And then Alphabet, I think to
some extent kind of knows that,

877
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,320
but she's accepting it because
nobody else has danced with her

878
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,600
before, you know?
So it's just like, Oh my God,

879
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,960
that scene.
But if I have to pick a song

880
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:29,240
that I think is like, I can't
keep talking about Austas

881
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,120
because I'm going to cry.
I just want to say one one other

882
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,640
thing just about representation,
because you brought up Nessa

883
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,000
Rose, that this was the first
time in the history of Wicked

884
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,840
being performed that a person
who actually uses a wheelchair

885
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,880
in their real life was cast in
the role of Nessa.

886
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,840
Rose and I would recommend
following them on social media

887
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,960
because, one, they're hilarious.
And two, I love how they're

888
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,600
talking about the character
because they actually like, I

889
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,160
like that you guys are talking
about her.

890
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,240
Don't talk about her disability
because that is not fiction,

891
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:04,080
right?
But it is so freaking cool that

892
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,920
they're like, yeah, what?
Cast somebody that can actually,

893
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,560
I don't know, embody that of
that character.

894
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,320
Yes.
And I again, and I think that

895
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,440
we're I'm I'm backpedaling a
little bit too earlier in our

896
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,600
conversation.
But that's why this casting was

897
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,880
so important and so smart.
Even Peter Dinklage voicing Dr.

898
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,520
Dilleman, right?
Professor, how dare you?

899
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,840
Professor, doctor, it, it's just
again.

900
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,520
He did a performance.
Yes, but it and it and it's

901
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,920
thinking, even though it's he's
not being seen, it's his voice,

902
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,040
but thinking of who we are
representing this character

903
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,600
with.
Just smart.

904
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:39,320
So smart.
So, so, so good.

905
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,560
Anyway, back to your favorite
musical.

906
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,760
Wizard and I, I keep going back
to it.

907
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,080
I I think Wizard and I is
probably my favorite performance

908
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,760
in there.
Noah mourns the wicked as well.

909
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,400
Like those opening numbers are
just Oh my God, so good.

910
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaking of them, we have to
talk about Defying gravity.

911
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,520
We have to talk about the IT
girl in this entire musical,

912
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,800
right?
Act 1 ends with the spectacle

913
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,280
that is Defying Gravity.
I felt like it was interesting

914
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,000
because we've you've seen it.
I've seen that part in the play.

915
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,560
You can listen to the song.
It's different and just like

916
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,160
kind of the pacing and it's a
little longer in the movie

917
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,520
because there's interruptions, I
would say, But that's just the

918
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,200
actions of the scene.
How did you feel about that

919
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,920
pacing and them changing it just
a little bit?

920
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:32,360
Well, I think that it almost
felt like they knew we wanted

921
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,440
that last note so badly.
Like we were all charging.

922
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,400
Towards it and every like right
as we were always getting to the

923
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,080
precipice they were like PA PA
PA we're going to add this other

924
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,080
thing you know what I mean so
it's like they were playing with

925
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,960
us and kind of making us work to
get to that final moment and but

926
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,960
I do think that that.
Worked, I know a lot.

927
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,040
I felt like when I was watching
it, I was like, Oh my God, this

928
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,720
is yes, yes, let's like do it.
And this actually, because you

929
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:03,440
had mentioned they filmed for
160 days right before they were

930
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,520
the last 10 days the writers
strike happened.

931
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:08,280
So they actually filmed the
defying gravity stuff at the

932
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,560
beginning of this year.
So there's a bit of a split.

933
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,880
I didn't notice it at all.
The the pacing I liked a lot.

934
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,800
I think it gave more emotion to
it.

935
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,600
The only thing I will say, and I
think this is my biggest

936
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:28,000
critique with this movie, is
that in this scene I felt like

937
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,800
we weren't with Alphabet a lot,
which was interesting.

938
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,040
Like because of our three
characters, I'm not really

939
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,760
including the wizard in this.
You have Madame Marble, Glenda

940
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,560
and Alphabet that are kind of
involved in this song in some

941
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,960
type of way.
And because they were all kind

942
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,600
of in separate places, it kept
cutting to them.

943
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,720
So it felt almost like we
weren't.

944
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,000
Our eyes couldn't stay on
Alphabet.

945
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,560
And it's like her moment, right?
And then also knowing that she

946
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,680
sang while flipping around in
the air.

947
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,880
I wish we could have felt that a
little more because again, this

948
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,840
is like, I love what they did.
It wasn't like a superhero

949
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,120
thing, right?
We're all accustomed now to

950
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,520
people flying.
I think they pulled it off to

951
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,200
where it still felt like that
moment of a character doing

952
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,880
something extraordinary.
I just wish we could have felt

953
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,160
it a little more of her actually
doing that.

954
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,720
We know she did it right.
I just felt like, you know what?

955
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:26,000
I.
Yeah, it was almost something

956
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,680
like the integration of the
background on the green screen

957
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,640
or the blue screen or whatever
color of the screen was.

958
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,880
Didn't let us live with the
actual physicality of what she

959
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,360
was doing.
Because those moments of like

960
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,800
her when she did that final note
and you can see the big Cape,

961
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,360
that was amazing.
It spectacle and visually looked

962
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,600
amazing.
I just wish they could have been

963
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,800
like she is literally flying
around while singing.

964
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,560
I just wish like that moment was
missing for me.

965
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,920
But this moment in particular,
especially these final moments

966
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,920
with Alphaba, so this is so I
like Oz Dust Ballroom was your

967
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,520
like kind of most emotional
moment.

968
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,440
Divine Gravity was my most
emotional moment watching this.

969
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,640
There's a part spoiler where
she's falling right before she

970
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,840
realizes how truly powerful she
is and she's falling and she's

971
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,440
seeing herself in the reflection
of one of the Emerald Towers.

972
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,320
And just for a moment, as she's
falling, watching herself, she

973
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,880
sees herself as a little girl
again.

974
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:33,480
Oh no.
And so there's just something so

975
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:44,800
beautiful there of of killing
your inner child and living your

976
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,400
life for you and for that little
kid that was told they were so

977
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,120
wrong.
Yeah.

978
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,800
And I, I think there's something
that's really beautiful about

979
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,040
this scene where one, when I was
watching that, I was like, this

980
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,880
is going to get Derek.
Derek, you, there's something

981
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,200
about those inner child scenes
that like speaks to you.

982
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:10,320
And I think that's beautiful.
What I think is so cool about

983
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,480
the scene is that she is seeing
herself, right?

984
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:16,560
She's reaching out to grab
herself.

985
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,000
She doesn't grab her younger
self.

986
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,120
She grabs her future self.
She grabs the broom and I think

987
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,320
flipping the expectation of
like, oh, we have to like be

988
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,680
that child again.
It's like, no, I have to be what

989
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,640
I should have been.
I have to be what my younger

990
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,480
self would be proud of.
And so she grabs that broom and

991
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,120
she flies off.
And I think that is so

992
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,080
beautiful.
And I love that they did that

993
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,080
also.
And I love that she was like

994
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,840
flying.
But holding it like this, she

995
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,320
doesn't.
Actually need the broom.

996
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:51,200
Since they still kept the thing
from the musical with Idina

997
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:56,120
Menzel on the crane, you know, I
agree.

998
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,160
I mean, that's it was just so
beautiful.

999
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,880
I, I couldn't speak after that.
Like I was literally like

1000
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,400
spending the last like 5 minutes
of the movie just trying to hold

1001
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:15,040
in just like blubbering,
sobbing, you know, mess just

1002
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,400
because it's just so beautiful.
I think, yeah.

1003
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,240
And I think it's one of those
things with this movie that even

1004
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,440
it it's hard, right?
I feel like this isn't really a

1005
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,280
review, you know, like sometimes
we.

1006
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,600
Talk therapy.
Session, right?

1007
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,280
It's a therapy session, but I
feel like it's just kind of a

1008
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,880
celebration of this thing that
took 20 years to make plus 20

1009
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,480
years plus to make.
And we're just all, it came out

1010
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,440
at the right time.
And I feel like in recent

1011
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,200
memory, even though there's the
glicked and Barb Barbenheimer

1012
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:49,480
thing, Barbie and Wicked, I felt
like we needed, we needed those

1013
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,840
movies.
And this is really speaking to a

1014
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:57,400
lot of people in more ways than
I think people expected for it

1015
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,080
to speak to.
I'm just so incredibly thankful

1016
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,160
for it.
And again, I, this is review,

1017
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,440
conversation, celebration,
whatever you want to say.

1018
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,960
I'd really love to know people's
thoughts.

1019
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:12,320
Like I, I just love seeing
people talk about it.

1020
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,720
I'm not getting tired of it,
which is surprising, you know?

1021
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,040
So what did you think?
So we've said so much about this

1022
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,400
and we'll kind of do final
thoughts, but what are you

1023
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:27,320
looking forward to in Part 2?
Do you think it's going to be

1024
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,280
just as long?
And if so, do you think they're

1025
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,760
going to add more Dorothy in it?
Because Dorothy really isn't

1026
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,040
present at all.
I'll again never forget what I

1027
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,040
said after seeing my first
Broadway show when I was 10

1028
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,400
years old.
Someone asked me what did you

1029
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,760
think?
And I said, well, I'd like to

1030
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,320
Act one a lot better than Act 2.
Act 2 was really sad.

1031
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,960
And I feel like, you know, it,
it's kind of like Act one always

1032
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:53,920
ends.
It's sort of like this very

1033
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,400
climactic moment.
And then we're seeing the

1034
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,800
repercussions of all those
things.

1035
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,680
And so I think that Part 2 is
going to be darker, I think.

1036
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,200
Yeah, right.
And I think that what it's also

1037
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,720
going to do is that it is going
to fill in the bits of kind of

1038
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:12,720
Wizard of Oz lore and legend and
see how and why certain

1039
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:17,160
characters become who they are.
And so I am looking forward to

1040
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,840
it, but I'm bracing myself for
the fact that it might not be as

1041
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,560
happy.
Yeah, I think it's going to be

1042
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:30,120
more emotional, but not in the
same way, but more in like, oh

1043
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,560
God, this is so incredibly sad
that this is happening, you know

1044
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,320
what I mean?
I think what we're seeing is

1045
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,000
like this journey of somebody
coming into who they are and

1046
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,520
then being, you know, kind of
construed in the wrong way to

1047
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,440
also like gaslight a whole group
of people anyway.

1048
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,040
So it's like a lot, but I think
it's going to those

1049
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,360
repercussions of what happened
and what people say.

1050
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,400
If somebody is going to be a
lot.

1051
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,480
I'm bracing myself for that as
well.

1052
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,920
Yeah, I mean, there's, like we
said, there's so many layers to

1053
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,000
this movie.
And one of those layers is just

1054
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,400
creating a common enemy to gain
power in a society.

1055
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,680
I think, you know, in looking
back at history, we've seen many

1056
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,520
instances of that Hitler, for
example, and maybe our incoming,

1057
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:18,080
well, current administration of,
you know, the atrocities of who

1058
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,560
we let come to power and the
things that they can do to those

1059
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,120
who are seen as othered and are
othered on purpose for them to

1060
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:25,840
keep control.
Right.

1061
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,960
And so it'll be so fun to delve
into that.

1062
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,720
But do you think, do you think
that they're going to add more

1063
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:34,000
Dorothy?
Because again, Dorothy's not

1064
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,440
really in Act 2.
And I from what I've seen of

1065
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,480
people that are really into
this, they're like Act 2 isn't

1066
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,080
the stronger one.
Like all the songs are in the

1067
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,880
first one.
So I'm curious how they're going

1068
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,880
to fill that.
Like, I hope it's not going to

1069
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,440
be two hours and 40 minutes
because I feel like that's going

1070
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,960
to be a lot to, like, stretch,
but I don't know.

1071
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,760
Do you think, Dorothy, would you
be OK with Dorothy being more

1072
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,400
involved?
I think so, right?

1073
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,760
Because Dorothy from Wizard of
Oz is the one who ultimately

1074
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,760
defeats the Wicked Witch, right?
So it would make more sense

1075
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,400
this.
Poor Gorrel defeated somebody

1076
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,960
she probably shouldn't have
because they just told her to,

1077
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,360
and also there's a freaking
train.

1078
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,320
Train.
Well, again showing you how evil

1079
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,000
Glenn actually is.
And she was like, just follow

1080
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,080
the yellow brick road.
You could have taken the bullet

1081
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,800
train.
She's the journey, right?

1082
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,760
It's what we learn on the
journey.

1083
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,000
Yeah, and the friends we meet
along the way.

1084
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,920
Yikes.
And the people we murder at.

1085
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,880
The end of it.
So, final thoughts, slash like

1086
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,920
where does this fall for you in
the hierarchy of musical

1087
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:47,600
adaptations?
Gosh, I mean, I mean, it's where

1088
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,920
where it falls.
It's number one for me.

1089
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:55,360
I mean, I just think that this
hits like when you think of

1090
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,320
something like Chicago, right?
Super entertaining.

1091
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,840
So good.
Like lovely.

1092
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,400
I mean, I think it, it talks
about probably the treatment of

1093
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,160
women and, and and
sensationalism and a number of

1094
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,400
other things, but just not as
deeply as Wicked does.

1095
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,840
Right I I.
Think and again, I also want to

1096
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,160
say this, I am no Chicago
aficionado and I'm sure people

1097
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,200
are like, oh, it probably does
that, Derek.

1098
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,640
Well, actually this is what
Chicago represents.

1099
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,640
I'm like, sorry, sorry.
I, I, if I'm going to be honest,

1100
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:30,400
I think personally I think
Chicago was probably the last

1101
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,360
really good adaptation of a
musical.

1102
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,640
There's been obviously amazing
one since then, like.

1103
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,720
Is.
Yeah, there's like some casting

1104
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,000
choices that I have issues with.
Let's.

1105
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,760
Focus on Anne Hathaway.
And Amanda Seyfried and anyway,

1106
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,240
great things, right?
And we have like Steven

1107
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,840
Spielberg's West Side Story,
which it's like I have problems

1108
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,720
with as well, but I thought was
amazing.

1109
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,800
This one I feel like is at the
top.

1110
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,440
Everything I said at the
beginning, like this is what you

1111
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,560
would hope for.
It doesn't take away, it doesn't

1112
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,640
diminish the thing that made
everybody fall in love with it.

1113
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,520
It just adds to it and
celebrates it.

1114
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,320
So I think it's at the top.
I'm really interested to see how

1115
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,280
Part 2, how they coupled
together.

1116
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,120
And also I hope they show both
parts.

1117
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,480
Like they need to have some
showings where there's like an

1118
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,840
intermission.
I would sit for five hours and

1119
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,280
watch them back-to-back.
Absolutely, 100% I.

1120
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:23,880
Would do that.
I would too, and I think.

1121
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,280
I did that with breaking.
Dawn.

1122
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,560
I think I did that too.
Or one of the twilight.

1123
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,720
Yeah, if they did that with
Breaking Dawn, they better

1124
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,600
fucking do it for Wicked.
They should.

1125
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,480
Oh, what if they played it at
the theater that Wicked's at?

1126
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:38,480
Oh, that would be cool.
Oh.

1127
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,240
That would be very cool.
Anyway, final thoughts, loved.

1128
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,160
It well are are people going to
be upset that we didn't talk

1129
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,040
about popular at all?
Oh, I don't care.

1130
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,600
I think, yeah, I mean, we're
like over an hour, right?

1131
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:55,120
And I think like, it's amazing.
I all of the musical numbers are

1132
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,400
amazing.
I don't think there's really one

1133
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,960
that's bad.
Popular is the one for Glenda.

1134
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,760
Like that is the thing that
really shows the chops and shows

1135
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,120
how funny she is.
It's I mean.

1136
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,440
Like, again, Ariana, I think
this again talks about those

1137
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,960
things we were talking about
before, her comedic timing, even

1138
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,440
leaving up to it, her flopping
on the bed because she thinks

1139
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:16,960
she told her a really good
secret.

1140
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,880
Just so good.
My favorite thing that's

1141
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,680
happening on social media, and
it's one of my favorite line

1142
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,280
deliveries in this entire thing.
And I'm sure everybody knows

1143
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,840
what I'm talking about, but it's
in the part where she's showing

1144
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,840
Elphaba these people in history
and she's trying to be like, why

1145
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,280
are they like remembered and
stuff?

1146
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,120
And Elphaba was like, oh,
because they're popular.

1147
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,480
And she's like, right?
Exactly.

1148
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,200
The line delivery, it's so
insane.

1149
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,200
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, it's so good.

1150
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,640
Anyway, now I feel like we have
fully done our due diligence for

1151
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,400
this movie.
We have, we have spoken about

1152
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,040
the larger numbers that we
should have, OK.

1153
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,520
I think we mentioned every
single person except for Shen

1154
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:53,800
Shen.
There we go.

1155
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,720
Good, we're done.
Goodbye everyone.

1156
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:58,440
Let us, let us know what you
thought.

1157
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,800
Let us know where you cried, Are
you still crying?

1158
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,560
How many times you watched it?
What you're excited for for

1159
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,280
Season 2 part Act 2?
Oh my God, that's another thing.

1160
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,560
Why'd they call it Part 1?
They should have been act one.

1161
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,280
Act 2.
Come on, drop the ball.

1162
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,000
Change it now.
It's still Waller.

1163
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,440
Now it's ruined.
Now it's.

1164
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,960
Ruined.
All right, till next time, I

1165
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,720
hope you all have a wonderful
experience with this movie.

1166
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,240
Yeah, I have to go finish
falling apart.

1167
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:26,920
See you later.