Feb. 8, 2025
'Wolf Man' (2025) Movie Review
Nail your front door shut, it’s time for A Bite Of’s review of Wolf Man! On the menu: how this adds to the monster movie genre, solid sound design, when is it a good time to tell your kid to shut it, Julia Garner’s strong performance, shifting perspectives, and more.
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Once again, a character named
Derek doesn't get much love.
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And I'm Derek, and that's Noah.
And you're listening to a bite
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of what we're covering, Wolfman.
That is very true.
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I do.
I still want you to make just
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write something with all the
Derek's throughout all media
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history and do their fates.
Or if they're jerks, they're
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either jerks.
Or die.
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Yeah, Well, most recently in the
show Shrinking, there's a Derek
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who is very likable.
It's like the first Derek in the
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history of TV and cinema, which
is very exciting.
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Unfortunately, we're not talking
about that, no.
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The first Derek that I ever
remember was Derek from Full
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House and he's saying I'm a
Yankee Doodle Dandy.
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Look him up.
Wow, yeah.
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Look him up.
What an intro to this episode of
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Wolfman, Wolfman.
Nothing, we said.
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So far, Derek does.
That is true.
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I think you need to write that.
Hi, it's been a minute.
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It's been a crazy start to the
year, but we are back.
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We're in our chairs.
We're here to talk about
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Wolfman.
I think we're on this theme of
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like spooky horror.
For some reason.
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You didn't know Saratu.
We're doing this monster now and
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it's like remakes, reimaginings
of these characters.
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Interesting.
I love that.
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Yeah, I'm liking this ride that
we're on.
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Before we get into everything
because we're going to jump
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All right, and if you don't want
to be spoiled about the new
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Wolfman, stop listening.
But we're going to proceed.
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So let us officially take a bite
of Wolfman.
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Directed by Lee Whannell and
written by Lee Whannell and
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Corbett Tuck.
After receiving notice of his
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father's passing, Blake and his
family returned to his childhood
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home in the mountains of Oregon.
They quickly learned that
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something sinister lurks in the
woods, and their fight for
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survival begins.
So what did you think of
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Wolfman?
Initial thoughts of Wolfman.
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Initial thoughts of Wolfman.
I.
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I'm making it jazzy, yeah.
It's Troy and Abbott in the
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morning.
Yes, I liked it.
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I enjoyed myself.
I think it's an almost movie.
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There are things that Winel did
or just Winel and Co.
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I'm not going to put the whole
blame on him, but I think there
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was great concepts in this.
I think the trying to revive
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these intervals of monsters is a
lot of fun.
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There's been some hit or misses,
but Winel did, I believe they
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wrote Saul, they did Insidious,
they did Invisible Man 2020,
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Invisible Man with Elizabeth
Moss.
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Very good.
This one I liked, but they're
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just seem to be concepts or
things happening that weren't
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fully explored.
And I'm almost curious if that's
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because, you know, the the genre
of it all didn't allow that
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exploration to happen.
So there's a lot of things and
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we'll get into it, but there's
things that are set up there's
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like beauty and nature, but it
will also kill you.
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There's the sins of the father
passed down.
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So there's these elements that
are happening that are neat in
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concept, but I felt like didn't
fully deliver.
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But on the like, kind of
suspenseful, creepy side, there
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was some really good moments on
that.
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Yeah, I, I liked it as well.
I mean, I'm not saying it's my
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favorite movie we've ever seen,
but I did enjoy it.
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I, you know, I'm a fan of a
quick movie, right?
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This ran about an hour and 40
minutes.
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It was the perfect length of
time.
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I think it told the story.
It told it pretty well.
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I do agree that there were some
sort of hanging moments or
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things that were introduced
early on in the movie that
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you're like, oh, that's that's a
little crumb that's going to
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come back in the end.
But then it never did.
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So you know that it's funny
because I think they did a lot
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of good with showing, not
telling right about these
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characters.
We learn about their
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relationship very quickly.
We learn about Blake's
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relationship with his daughter
as well as his relationship with
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his wife without them saying to
us like, we need to go to
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therapy or something like that.
But then they told us some
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things or they showed us some
things that we didn't actually
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need to see.
And so, you know, this movie,
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literally the first scene of
this movie starts with this very
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creepy shot of a Hornet being
killed by ants, right?
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And you're like, interesting.
What are they saying?
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The many come together and
destroy the one strong thing.
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Or, you know, I'm like, oh,
what's the metaphor here?
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Maybe you hit it that it's like
the powerful forces of nature.
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In the beginning with the dad
and Blake, younger Blake, he he
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mentions I think it's like right
at top that he says that even
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though this is beautiful, it's
dangerous.
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It will kill you.
Like I think that's like almost
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the theme of it.
It begins and ends with the same
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shot of the valley.
So yeah, it's beautiful, but it
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will kill you.
And again, while it's it's an
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interesting concept to talk
about, I don't really understand
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how they connect, right?
I don't understand how this face
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of the wolf, whatever this thing
is, this hiker that disappeared
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and all of that, this myth
that's around it.
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I'm not too sure how that
connects to each other or the
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broader message of whatever it
is.
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Because I feel like once the
transformations start happening
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with Blake, it loses itself in
the genre of it all, where I
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feel like Invisible Man really
stayed true with what it was
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trying to say.
This one just lacked.
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That's why I said it's almost a
movie, because there's like
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these things that are simmering
and cooking, but they never
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fully thicken.
Yeah.
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By the way, let's take a moment
to mourn the fact that the
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beginning text of this movie
says, as in it almost is
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alluding to the the the year old
year of 1995.
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And as a almost 40 year old
millennial, that really hurts my
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heart.
That like going in the past for
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a character is the 90s now.
Yeah.
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So I was just like, oh, I just
hung my head at that point.
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Well, there's people that say
people that were born in the 90s
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were born in the 1900s.
So it's just like, Oh yeah, I
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mean, that's cool.
I know I just, it's like, wow,
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OK, I, I, I realize I have AI
have a colleague now who's,
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who's in their 20s and I say
things like, well, when I was
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young, but I also going back to
Blake and his father, I, I was
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curious to know what made his
father such a survivalist.
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What made his father so, you
know, intense about nature and
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nature's forces?
And I wanted to know, where was
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mom, right?
It almost seemed like, oh, maybe
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he lost mom in an accident or in
some horrible way.
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And that's what's made him so
vigilant.
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Maybe.
I mean, he says something about,
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like, you know, sometimes people
are just taking from you and
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it's like, OK, the mom died,
obviously at some point.
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Yeah.
And it is weird because it's
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like, OK, you live in Oregon.
Like, why, like, did somebody
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make you live there?
Like, it seems awful.
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Yeah.
But also, I think, you know,
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there is something to be said
about like, you know, again, the
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sins of the father or just the
the father and son relationship
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that like he doesn't want to
become his father.
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His father was very protective.
But I believe Blake says some
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type of line to his to his
daughter Charlotte or Ginger of
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like, you know, sometimes you
you try to protect him from the
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scars and then you become the
one that does the scarring.
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So it's the same thing.
Like he doesn't want to become
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his father, but he ends up
becoming his father in some
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weird way.
So it's fine.
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I think that this movie did a
lot of things where it's like
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expected.
I expected every single jump
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scare or thing that was going to
happen.
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Well, some of the things were
really unique and cool, like the
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perspective of Blake when he was
turning into this wolf.
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And put that in quotes, because
I don't think this is a wolf.
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It's a wolf, man.
It's it's like a hardly it's an
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adjacent to a canine.
I don't know what it is.
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It reminds me more of a windigo
than it does a werewolf, but.
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Yeah, or like a lichen or
something.
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I guess I shouldn't say werewolf
because it is wolf man.
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Yeah.
Is that what they were called?
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What in Underworld?
Lichens.
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Yeah, well, that's just that's
that's werewolf, werewolf
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mythology.
Oh, OK.
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Yeah, I was.
I thought there was like a plant
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that's known as like a lichen or
something like that.
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I thought I was missing, but
there is.
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Oh, OK.
You're saying all things that
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are true, OK, good, that are a
thing, but it's not this thing.
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And I think that's like
important to remember, I guess,
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is that like, this isn't
werewolves.
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This is a particular story about
a wolf man.
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You know, it's like a disease or
like a, a virus that kind of
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passes.
It's very odd.
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Yeah, and can we talk about that
for a second?
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How does 1 become a wolf man?
You get scratched.
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That's it, right?
But then also like Derek so.
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So there's a character named
Derek in this that pops up.
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He's literally in it for 5
minutes and then he gets I guess
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murdered by the wolf.
But then why didn't he become a
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wolf?
I like how you say I guess they
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found his arm.
But I mean like I, I, I guess
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what I'm saying is, was he
murdered?
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Is murdered the right word?
He was, I'm sure.
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But yeah, so anyway, it's like
when you first see him though,
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he's kind of just like splayed,
like he's, he's hurt and it's
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like he doesn't become a wolf.
Then he gets heat, but then
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Blake gets scratched by the
wolf.
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But is it?
Is it because his father's the
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wolf?
So he has wolf DNA in him
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already.
You're asking questions that I
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don't think we will ever get the
answers.
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I'm asking you to to hypothesize
with me.
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That's.
What I'm doing again, I I I
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think that this movie is there's
pots that are simmering, but
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like you just have to be like,
OK, you know, it's like, yeah,
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his father is the wolf, but like
Blake Wallen wolf ish transition
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did could sympathize or could
protect them at some point, but
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also maybe he was past that
point, but is it always still
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there?
Like, I don't know, like did his
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father recognize him?
It did seem like he was missing
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for a long time and that's why
he was pronounced dead I guess,
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but like.
I have no idea.
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He was too far gone into his
wolf mandem.
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Yeah, he was.
Too far gone.
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What did you think about Julia
Gartner?
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I thought that she.
Gardner.
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Was fine.
Again, I think that she served
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the purpose of the film and but
I don't think that there's any
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way to say like she'd had a
great performance because it was
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a fine script, you know what I
mean?
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But I think that her character
had an interesting journey of
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being someone that there's
obviously friction between her
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and her husband, even her and
her daughter, and this situation
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forces them to come together as
a family.
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And daughter, not daughter.
I'll talk about that daughter in
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a second.
Yeah, I like Charlotte a lot.
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I think in the beginning it's
funny because they're very
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gloomy.
These are two gloomy people, and
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they obviously have some issues,
which is fine.
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I like it.
This is like the Stephen King
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fan in me where I like knowing
everything about this character
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before something terrible
happens to them.
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Because I don't know, it just
makes me more attached to that
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person, makes me more like, oh,
the potential of like mending
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this thing is completely gone.
Because XY and Z, I liked her a
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lot.
I, I, it makes me more excited
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to see her as Silver Surfer in
Fantastic Four.
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And no, did I not pick this
movie and also bring her up so I
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could talk about Fantastic Four,
but here we are.
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But it does make me excited for
her because I think seeing her
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in Ozark and then seeing her
here, it's like she has the
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chops to do something great.
It's going to be cool to see her
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in a role like this where it's
horror in a superhero genre.
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So I don't know, I think she's
one to watch.
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I like her a lot.
Do you want to talk about
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Ginger?
No.
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So again, I think the problem
is.
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The daughter is.
So the the daughter Ginger,
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played by Matilda Firth.
Delightful little actress.
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But I think that again, the
script did Ginger no justice,
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right?
She had some whoppers.
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Well, I, I, I think that's the
interesting part because she, I
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think I had said something when
we watched it.
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I said, oh, are we going back to
where, like, kids are just awful
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in movies?
Because she didn't help at all.
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She made things worse.
And like, she just kind of was
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annoying.
And it's not, again, the actor
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very much the script.
I'm like, she she's acting like
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she's 5, but she's clearly like
almost 10.
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Yeah, you know what I mean.
And so one of these things of
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like where something was sort of
developing, but we never really
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got a clear cut answer is
throughout the film, bond that
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she has with her father is that
they have this little thing that
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they do where she he says, what
am I thinking?
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She puts her hand on his head.
And it's always something along
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the lines of I love my little
girl, right?
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And so at the end of the movie,
The final moment, well, one of
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the final moments is she and her
mother are up in this deer
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stand, and the father in his
wolf form comes up and she looks
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at the dad and she says
something like he wants this to
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end.
Yeah, he wants it done.
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Yeah, yeah.
I was like, so is she really
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psychic?
But do you know what I mean?
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It was like, it was like such a
like philosophical thing for a
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child to say that it felt like
whoa.
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Yeah.
I mean, I think you had
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mentioned earlier there was like
bread crumbs for this movie.
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Yeah, there was like the
mushrooms that could kill you if
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you eat it, that the, you know,
reading the mind and stuff like
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that.
It it it was interesting for
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them to do that.
And the only instance aside from
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that, that it actually like came
to something was when she went
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to him, when he was in his in
between state and you could see
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his perspective.
And when she had her hand on
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him, he could understand her
finally.
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I'm not too sure why whenever
you're turning into this thing
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that you can't understand them
and they can't understand you
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like that.
I think that's really
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interesting.
Maybe it's just to cut you off,
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but she was able to, he was able
to understand her for a second.
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And I'm like, wait, why?
What's happening?
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And then they just like went
away.
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So it was, it was interesting,
weird decisions, especially with
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the child.
Yeah, yeah.
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I because she, she almost never
really felt like she was in
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immediate danger.
I was more worried about the
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mother than I was with the
child.
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Do you do you know, it's like, I
felt like I was like, the
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child's going to be safe.
The child's fine.
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But they also kept making these
decisions in the film where
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they'd be like, you know,
Ginger, go in the other room, be
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safe.
But then they would completely
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leave her by herself on another
floor of the house.
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There was a there was a part, I
think it's when the mother went
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to go look for the keys before
they went to go out to the car.
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And it's first like I would say
the first big jump scare where
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you see the other wolf.
She's full downstairs.
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Like this guy is literally
biting his like eating his own
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flesh.
And she's like, I'll be right.
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I'm going to go downstairs.
Can you watch her real quick
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like?
I got an idea.
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I'm like girl, like your husband
is a wolf, like you were just on
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the radio, like being like my
husband's not himself.
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Something is wrong and then
you're just going to leave your
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child that can't fend for
herself.
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Like watch Ginger.
It was so funny, it was so
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silly.
But in the let's, let's like,
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let's go to the good parts of
this, right?
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Because I do think there are
some weird script decisions and
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stuff.
Performances are good.
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I really appreciated the use of
sound in this movie.
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The sound was so freaking cool,
especially when his hearing got
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heightened.
Loved it.
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Yeah, I was actually going to
mention that too.
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That was my favorite part of the
movie as well.
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I thought the sound design was
really good.
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Like I mentioned that first
scene of the ants taking over
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the Hornet.
I thought that was really
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effective, how they really
ground down to the noises that
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were happening.
We also get the noise both in
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the past and in the present
story of the generator of the
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farm going on, which really made
you feel isolated in that
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moment.
And I think the the scenes that
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you mentioned of seeing it from
Blake's perspective, the way
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they would work the camera
right.
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And they did this really
smoothly throughout the whole
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film, which I appreciated was
they would always have this
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panning shot going from, you
know, the human point of view to
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the wolfman point of view.
And in that panning shot, it
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would all kind of turn over and
we'd see how he sees things and
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we'd hear how he hears things.
And so I did think that that was
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really one of the strongest
things in this movie.
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I think because it was set out
in the country, kind of out in
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the middle of nowhere that
really let a lot of these noises
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of, let's say, the scratching or
the car trying to start.
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It was really more effective
than if it would be in a city
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where there was a lot of ambient
noise or not ambient noise, but
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like, white noise.
Yeah.
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Yeah, and the the gore itself.
I, I, I felt like it was lacking
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a little bit.
I'm a huge fan of like body
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horror and stuff that makes you
uncomfortable.
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And there was moments of it, but
I felt like, let's go further.
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Like let's go like like the
transformation when he fully
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transformed into the witch or
witch into the wolf surprise
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into this wolf.
I was like, OK, like you just
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got some cheekbones and like
longer claws.
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And his, his jaw jutted out.
Yeah.
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Yeah, I the the design of said
Wolf I was a little disappointed
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with because like I mentioned
earlier, Wendigo feeling until
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dawn, you know, not wolfy like
not hairy enough.
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It didn't give me Wolf.
Where was his tail?
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Where ears?
In fact, his ears were going
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away.
Yeah.
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They were going into his head.
Yeah, it.
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Was an interesting 'cause if you
think back, I can't remember who
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did it, but Hopkins was in it.
I can't remember the other
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actors.
Man 2010's Wolfman until I got
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to like the CGI wolf.
Great, great, great, great.
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I wonder if, I mean, I don't, I
wish I would have done some
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research because it does mention
the beginning, that the
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indigenous view of this beast in
the forest.
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I wonder if maybe in that myth
that's what it looks like.
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You know, I don't know.
But yeah, I I think that it's
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funny, I think zoomed out the
wolf didn't look good, but the
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zoom in body horror was much
better.
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The him gnawing off his leg, him
in that like squatted position,
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gnawing had his arm, the the
like full on claws coming out
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and busting out of his nails
like that I thought was pretty
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effective.
But I agree that the full
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Wolfman picture wasn't that
scary.
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Right.
And then, well, I mean, it just
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didn't give Wolf, you know what
I mean?
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It was like, I get why, like the
legend would be like, that's a
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wolf, man, because it sounds
like a wolf.
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It runs like a wolf.
You know, it must be a wolf.
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But then it's like it's not
hairy.
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I needed the hair.
Not fubby enough.
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I needed the ears, I needed the
tail.
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No, I didn't need a werewolf.
And I know there is a difference
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between these two obviously, but
it just it felt a little like I
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could use a little a little
more, a little more, but I get
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what they were going for.
I Is there like a universal
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monster that you would want to
see done again, even ones that
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we've already gotten?
Because I know we're getting
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Frankenstein.
That's right, Toro, we haven't
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gotten Dracula in a good minute
since, like, what, 2000?
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I guess.
What about a good mummy?
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I think we well, we got Tom
Cruise's mummy when they try to
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reboot the.
Oh, the Brandon Fraser.
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Oh, no, yeah, yeah.
It was the little bit of that.
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Yeah, it was the Tom Cruise.
I think I would like to actually
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see that, but I'm curious if
like, because Brandon Fraser's
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The Mummy so good, I'm curious
if it's just going to be so hard
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to get past that.
It's almost like the Jurassic
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Park movies where it's like they
keep trying and it's like, while
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they're fun, they just don't
have that magic.
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Will Jonathan Bailey save the
franchise?
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I mean.
Although I don't think the
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franchise is not doing well.
I just.
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The last one made a billion
dollars.
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I know and I don't know a single
person that watched.
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It me either I don't either but
or or what about like a like
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black?
What is it the?
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Picture from the black.
Yeah, the Creature from the
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Black Lagoon.
I could see that.
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I mean, we probably when was the
last time we had something like
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that?
A long time, right?
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Yeah.
I mean, that's true.
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Yeah.
I mean, I did like this.
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I just.
I think I was expecting more,
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you know, like, even though I
think in our last interview or
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interview, the last episode we
were talking about in Nosferatu,
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we were like, it was good.
It was paint by the numbers
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almost.
It's like this is the story of
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Nosferatu, but there was some
moments in there where it was
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unique and they told a different
thing and it just felt a little
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fresher.
This felt very predictable.
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Absolutely.
And it was a little
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disappointing and not following
through with some of those bread
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crumbs.
And I don't know if that was by
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design or if it just kind of
took over itself, like there's
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too much.
I think, yeah, I think they
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should have made the decision of
do we want this to just be point
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blank like a quick Forrest
horror movie, or do we wanted to
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have a little more meat to it?
But it seems that they couldn't
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really decide that.
And so it was an odd mix of the
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two, Kind of like a wolf man.
With a space.
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Right, exactly.
Yeah, it it, it's interesting
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because it's like the last shot.
If you think about it, it's like
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it has the mother and the
daughter and then they're in
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that valley again.
It's bookending that.
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What is what are they trying to
say?
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You know what it's like.
Yeah, I think that you.
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They're going to leave.
Right.
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Like totally.
And like, right before the
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transition, I loved, loved.
I was really hooked into this
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movie.
And while I did like some of the
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other stuff, it just felt like
it, it changed a little bit.
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I liked the car crash.
I liked everything leading up to
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that and up to him fully
transforming.
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And then I was like, yeah.
I did like the reveal of the
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grandfather being the wolf that
attacked him.
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Yeah, I clocked I, I mean, in my
head I was like, it's the dad.
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Oh see, I didn't get that.
So I was like, because he was.
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Missing.
And when he was like, we were
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waiting for this letter, I was
like, it's the dad.
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Because they had talked to.
They really made sure you knew,
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like the hiker went missing,
this person went missing.
445
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,080
They go, OK, yeah.
I do.
446
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,000
I'm glad.
It was effective though, yeah.
447
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,280
It got me and but I will say
that I agree.
448
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,720
I think that there were some
things like we've been saying
449
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,480
that just they didn't fully draw
out, right.
450
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,920
And so, you know, you had
mentioned those mushrooms before
451
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,640
when he's a kid and he's hiking
with his dad.
452
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,920
The dad's like, don't eat those,
they'll kill you, right.
453
00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:36,600
And so you and I were like, oh,
he's going to, he's going to
454
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,240
take his own life by eating the
mushrooms to save his family.
455
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,240
Nope.
And then in the beginning, well,
456
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,480
by the end we're like, oh, she's
going to, she's going to write
457
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,560
about this because in the
beginning she says, I'm not a
458
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,000
writer anymore.
I I don't write a I'm not a
459
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,800
writer anymore.
She does kind of sound like
460
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,800
that.
Yeah, they did sound like that.
461
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,520
Anyway, She's she's a
journalist, but she had wanted
462
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:56,760
to write a book.
We learn.
463
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,760
And it's like we're like, oh,
she's going to write the book on
464
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,240
this and then that'll bring, you
know, whatever.
465
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,720
Nope.
Well, I mean, she I think that's
466
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,120
like maybe she could, right?
It's just interested, right, She
467
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,040
could right.
It's just interesting.
468
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,480
It's like usually final shots,
like you're either like left
469
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,000
with a feeling, a specific
feeling, and I'm not sure like
470
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,480
what I'm like, oh, they're going
to take over the valley and
471
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,200
eradicate all the Wolfman, you
know, like no, hopefully you go
472
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,200
right about it.
I don't know.
473
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,160
Yeah, yeah, it ended.
And I mean, I guess we could see
474
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,680
it as she said that she didn't
know how to be a mother to
475
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,320
Ginger anymore, and now she
finally is.
476
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,600
That fucking kid.
Yikes.
477
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,840
Oh, Ginger.
Nothing against the.
478
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,560
Actor I know Ginger didn't
listen at all.
479
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,320
Ginger had some whopper lines.
Ginger was like kind of the mom
480
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,760
was risking her life to save her
and then she was blaming the mom
481
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,360
for everything.
The moment.
482
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,120
So I will say the mom MVP of
this movie, she tried
483
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:58,400
everything.
She fought back.
484
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,000
She was going against the
grandfather, she was going
485
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,720
against her husband.
She amazing, really.
486
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,800
I was surprised, to be honest, I
didn't know what to expect from
487
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,200
this, but I liked them trying to
get together and then slowly
488
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,720
having to distance themselves,
right.
489
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,080
I after the whole car thing,
when she had to jump start the
490
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,600
car.
She got her sick husband in the
491
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,320
car, she got her bratty daughter
in the car.
492
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,120
She did all this.
She got away from everybody.
493
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:21,840
She brings the daughter in
there.
494
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,400
What are you supposed to do?
And then the daughter's like,
495
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,920
you left him.
And I was like, get her out,
496
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,480
throw her outside.
She's done.
497
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,000
Get rid of ginger.
Read the Room.
498
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,600
Maybe the wolf man would like
Derek with a little bit of
499
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,000
ginger on time.
Yeah, I know.
500
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,360
We were just like, what?
Yeah, she's a little.
501
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:42,160
She's a little jerk.
She doesn't know what she had.
502
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,840
Yeah, I'm saying.
RIP Blake though.
503
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,760
But I'm I'm excited for what
Winnell does next.
504
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,000
I think track record great.
This was fun.
505
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,600
I I enjoyed myself.
I wasn't checking the time.
506
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,640
It was just kind of predictable
and I wish they would have
507
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,880
followed through with a little
more unique themes that they had
508
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,560
started to set up.
Yeah, I think it's definitely
509
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,160
like, look, when it comes out on
streaming service, watch it.
510
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,520
You know, if you already
subscribed to that, check it
511
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,640
out.
I think it was entertaining.
512
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,000
I thought it was a little spooky
at parts and I think it served
513
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,600
its purpose as a monster.
Movie looks great, yeah.
514
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,560
Sounded great.
Yeah, not enough blood, but it's
515
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:22,920
fine.
I.
516
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,560
Was OK with that.
He didn't like when he threw up
517
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,120
the finger.
I sure didn't, but I thought it
518
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,720
was effective.
What about he when he grabbed
519
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,760
the knife multiple times?
Oh.
520
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,840
That I hate it was like, it's
because that's like one of those
521
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,920
things like where you're kind of
like, you know, if you ever
522
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,120
touch the blade of a knife,
you're like even if it just gets
523
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,000
you a little bit.
He was like.
524
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,560
But he's like grabbing it.
That's why I really like the
525
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,920
Evil Dead movies, because like,
you know.
526
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Grab knives well.
Worse, you know, there's cheese
527
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,520
graters involved.
Like, yeah, the reason why I
528
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,400
like it is because, like,
there's moments in horror movies
529
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,480
where you like, kind of like,
and it like, never really fully
530
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,960
goes that way or it like looks
away.
531
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,000
The Evil Dead movies don't do
that.
532
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,040
Like, they go and keep going and
it's like, look like it gives
533
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,880
you enough time to feel sick.
And I'm like, that is scary.
534
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,240
That is disgusting.
I like that.
535
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,880
And you didn't get that in this?
No.
536
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,080
Not to say like Evil Dead, the
only movies I do it, but that's
537
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,920
just one of the most recent
examples that I.
538
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,960
Could think of, and I do not
like movies like that.
539
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,280
So this was a really nice middle
ground if you don't enjoy movies
540
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,640
like that.
All right, so I mean, I liked
541
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,800
it, but it's nothing to like
howl home about, but like.
542
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,680
Yeah, I give it 2 OHS out of
five I'd.
543
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,360
Get rid of three.
OK, three who's?
544
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,000
Oh, there you go.
No, see, it's nothing to write
545
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,840
home about.
Oh, OK.
546
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,400
Oh, all right.
Back, back.
547
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:52,400
Till next time.
Bye.
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Once again, a character named
Derek doesn't get much love.
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And I'm Derek, and that's Noah.
And you're listening to a bite
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of what we're covering, Wolfman.
That is very true.
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I do.
I still want you to make just
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write something with all the
Derek's throughout all media
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history and do their fates.
Or if they're jerks, they're
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either jerks.
Or die.
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Yeah, Well, most recently in the
show Shrinking, there's a Derek
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who is very likable.
It's like the first Derek in the
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history of TV and cinema, which
is very exciting.
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Unfortunately, we're not talking
about that, no.
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The first Derek that I ever
remember was Derek from Full
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House and he's saying I'm a
Yankee Doodle Dandy.
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Look him up.
Wow, yeah.
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Look him up.
What an intro to this episode of
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Wolfman, Wolfman.
Nothing, we said.
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So far, Derek does.
That is true.
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I think you need to write that.
Hi, it's been a minute.
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It's been a crazy start to the
year, but we are back.
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We're in our chairs.
We're here to talk about
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Wolfman.
I think we're on this theme of
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like spooky horror.
For some reason.
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You didn't know Saratu.
We're doing this monster now and
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it's like remakes, reimaginings
of these characters.
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Interesting.
I love that.
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Yeah, I'm liking this ride that
we're on.
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Before we get into everything
because we're going to jump
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right into this, make sure
you're following us.
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All the links are down below.
Patreon, Discord, all of that.
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Go do that.
Subscribe like comment below.
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All right, and if you don't want
to be spoiled about the new
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Wolfman, stop listening.
But we're going to proceed.
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So let us officially take a bite
of Wolfman.
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Directed by Lee Whannell and
written by Lee Whannell and
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Corbett Tuck.
After receiving notice of his
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father's passing, Blake and his
family returned to his childhood
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home in the mountains of Oregon.
They quickly learned that
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something sinister lurks in the
woods, and their fight for
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survival begins.
So what did you think of
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Wolfman?
Initial thoughts of Wolfman.
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Initial thoughts of Wolfman.
I.
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I'm making it jazzy, yeah.
It's Troy and Abbott in the
43
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morning.
Yes, I liked it.
44
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I enjoyed myself.
I think it's an almost movie.
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There are things that Winel did
or just Winel and Co.
46
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I'm not going to put the whole
blame on him, but I think there
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was great concepts in this.
I think the trying to revive
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these intervals of monsters is a
lot of fun.
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There's been some hit or misses,
but Winel did, I believe they
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wrote Saul, they did Insidious,
they did Invisible Man 2020,
51
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Invisible Man with Elizabeth
Moss.
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Very good.
This one I liked, but they're
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just seem to be concepts or
things happening that weren't
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fully explored.
And I'm almost curious if that's
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because, you know, the the genre
of it all didn't allow that
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exploration to happen.
So there's a lot of things and
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we'll get into it, but there's
things that are set up there's
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like beauty and nature, but it
will also kill you.
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There's the sins of the father
passed down.
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So there's these elements that
are happening that are neat in
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concept, but I felt like didn't
fully deliver.
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But on the like, kind of
suspenseful, creepy side, there
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was some really good moments on
that.
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Yeah, I, I liked it as well.
I mean, I'm not saying it's my
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favorite movie we've ever seen,
but I did enjoy it.
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I, you know, I'm a fan of a
quick movie, right?
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This ran about an hour and 40
minutes.
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It was the perfect length of
time.
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I think it told the story.
It told it pretty well.
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I do agree that there were some
sort of hanging moments or
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things that were introduced
early on in the movie that
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you're like, oh, that's that's a
little crumb that's going to
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come back in the end.
But then it never did.
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So you know that it's funny
because I think they did a lot
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of good with showing, not
telling right about these
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characters.
We learn about their
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relationship very quickly.
We learn about Blake's
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relationship with his daughter
as well as his relationship with
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his wife without them saying to
us like, we need to go to
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therapy or something like that.
But then they told us some
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things or they showed us some
things that we didn't actually
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need to see.
And so, you know, this movie,
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literally the first scene of
this movie starts with this very
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creepy shot of a Hornet being
killed by ants, right?
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And you're like, interesting.
What are they saying?
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The many come together and
destroy the one strong thing.
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Or, you know, I'm like, oh,
what's the metaphor here?
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Maybe you hit it that it's like
the powerful forces of nature.
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In the beginning with the dad
and Blake, younger Blake, he he
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mentions I think it's like right
at top that he says that even
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though this is beautiful, it's
dangerous.
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It will kill you.
Like I think that's like almost
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the theme of it.
It begins and ends with the same
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shot of the valley.
So yeah, it's beautiful, but it
95
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will kill you.
And again, while it's it's an
96
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interesting concept to talk
about, I don't really understand
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how they connect, right?
I don't understand how this face
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of the wolf, whatever this thing
is, this hiker that disappeared
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and all of that, this myth
that's around it.
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I'm not too sure how that
connects to each other or the
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broader message of whatever it
is.
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Because I feel like once the
transformations start happening
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with Blake, it loses itself in
the genre of it all, where I
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feel like Invisible Man really
stayed true with what it was
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trying to say.
This one just lacked.
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That's why I said it's almost a
movie, because there's like
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these things that are simmering
and cooking, but they never
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fully thicken.
Yeah.
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By the way, let's take a moment
to mourn the fact that the
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beginning text of this movie
says, as in it almost is
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alluding to the the the year old
year of 1995.
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And as a almost 40 year old
millennial, that really hurts my
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heart.
That like going in the past for
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a character is the 90s now.
Yeah.
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So I was just like, oh, I just
hung my head at that point.
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Well, there's people that say
people that were born in the 90s
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were born in the 1900s.
So it's just like, Oh yeah, I
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mean, that's cool.
I know I just, it's like, wow,
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OK, I, I, I realize I have AI
have a colleague now who's,
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who's in their 20s and I say
things like, well, when I was
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young, but I also going back to
Blake and his father, I, I was
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curious to know what made his
father such a survivalist.
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What made his father so, you
know, intense about nature and
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nature's forces?
And I wanted to know, where was
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mom, right?
It almost seemed like, oh, maybe
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he lost mom in an accident or in
some horrible way.
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And that's what's made him so
vigilant.
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Maybe.
I mean, he says something about,
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like, you know, sometimes people
are just taking from you and
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it's like, OK, the mom died,
obviously at some point.
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Yeah.
And it is weird because it's
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like, OK, you live in Oregon.
Like, why, like, did somebody
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make you live there?
Like, it seems awful.
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Yeah.
But also, I think, you know,
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there is something to be said
about like, you know, again, the
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sins of the father or just the
the father and son relationship
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that like he doesn't want to
become his father.
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His father was very protective.
But I believe Blake says some
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type of line to his to his
daughter Charlotte or Ginger of
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like, you know, sometimes you
you try to protect him from the
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scars and then you become the
one that does the scarring.
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So it's the same thing.
Like he doesn't want to become
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his father, but he ends up
becoming his father in some
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weird way.
So it's fine.
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I think that this movie did a
lot of things where it's like
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expected.
I expected every single jump
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scare or thing that was going to
happen.
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Well, some of the things were
really unique and cool, like the
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perspective of Blake when he was
turning into this wolf.
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And put that in quotes, because
I don't think this is a wolf.
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It's a wolf, man.
It's it's like a hardly it's an
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adjacent to a canine.
I don't know what it is.
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It reminds me more of a windigo
than it does a werewolf, but.
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Yeah, or like a lichen or
something.
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I guess I shouldn't say werewolf
because it is wolf man.
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Yeah.
Is that what they were called?
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What in Underworld?
Lichens.
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Yeah, well, that's just that's
that's werewolf, werewolf
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mythology.
Oh, OK.
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Yeah, I was.
I thought there was like a plant
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that's known as like a lichen or
something like that.
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I thought I was missing, but
there is.
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Oh, OK.
You're saying all things that
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are true, OK, good, that are a
thing, but it's not this thing.
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And I think that's like
important to remember, I guess,
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is that like, this isn't
werewolves.
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This is a particular story about
a wolf man.
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You know, it's like a disease or
like a, a virus that kind of
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passes.
It's very odd.
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Yeah, and can we talk about that
for a second?
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How does 1 become a wolf man?
You get scratched.
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That's it, right?
But then also like Derek so.
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So there's a character named
Derek in this that pops up.
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He's literally in it for 5
minutes and then he gets I guess
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murdered by the wolf.
But then why didn't he become a
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wolf?
I like how you say I guess they
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found his arm.
But I mean like I, I, I guess
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what I'm saying is, was he
murdered?
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Is murdered the right word?
He was, I'm sure.
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But yeah, so anyway, it's like
when you first see him though,
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he's kind of just like splayed,
like he's, he's hurt and it's
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like he doesn't become a wolf.
Then he gets heat, but then
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Blake gets scratched by the
wolf.
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But is it?
Is it because his father's the
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wolf?
So he has wolf DNA in him
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already.
You're asking questions that I
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don't think we will ever get the
answers.
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I'm asking you to to hypothesize
with me.
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That's.
What I'm doing again, I I I
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think that this movie is there's
pots that are simmering, but
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like you just have to be like,
OK, you know, it's like, yeah,
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his father is the wolf, but like
Blake Wallen wolf ish transition
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did could sympathize or could
protect them at some point, but
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also maybe he was past that
point, but is it always still
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there?
Like, I don't know, like did his
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father recognize him?
It did seem like he was missing
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for a long time and that's why
he was pronounced dead I guess,
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but like.
I have no idea.
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He was too far gone into his
wolf mandem.
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Yeah, he was.
Too far gone.
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What did you think about Julia
Gartner?
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I thought that she.
Gardner.
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Was fine.
Again, I think that she served
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the purpose of the film and but
I don't think that there's any
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way to say like she'd had a
great performance because it was
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a fine script, you know what I
mean?
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But I think that her character
had an interesting journey of
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being someone that there's
obviously friction between her
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and her husband, even her and
her daughter, and this situation
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forces them to come together as
a family.
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And daughter, not daughter.
I'll talk about that daughter in
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a second.
Yeah, I like Charlotte a lot.
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I think in the beginning it's
funny because they're very
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gloomy.
These are two gloomy people, and
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they obviously have some issues,
which is fine.
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I like it.
This is like the Stephen King
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fan in me where I like knowing
everything about this character
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before something terrible
happens to them.
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Because I don't know, it just
makes me more attached to that
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person, makes me more like, oh,
the potential of like mending
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this thing is completely gone.
Because XY and Z, I liked her a
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lot.
I, I, it makes me more excited
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to see her as Silver Surfer in
Fantastic Four.
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And no, did I not pick this
movie and also bring her up so I
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could talk about Fantastic Four,
but here we are.
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But it does make me excited for
her because I think seeing her
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in Ozark and then seeing her
here, it's like she has the
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chops to do something great.
It's going to be cool to see her
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in a role like this where it's
horror in a superhero genre.
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So I don't know, I think she's
one to watch.
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I like her a lot.
Do you want to talk about
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Ginger?
No.
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So again, I think the problem
is.
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The daughter is.
So the the daughter Ginger,
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played by Matilda Firth.
Delightful little actress.
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But I think that again, the
script did Ginger no justice,
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right?
She had some whoppers.
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Well, I, I, I think that's the
interesting part because she, I
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think I had said something when
we watched it.
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I said, oh, are we going back to
where, like, kids are just awful
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in movies?
Because she didn't help at all.
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She made things worse.
And like, she just kind of was
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annoying.
And it's not, again, the actor
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very much the script.
I'm like, she she's acting like
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she's 5, but she's clearly like
almost 10.
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Yeah, you know what I mean.
And so one of these things of
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like where something was sort of
developing, but we never really
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got a clear cut answer is
throughout the film, bond that
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she has with her father is that
they have this little thing that
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they do where she he says, what
am I thinking?
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She puts her hand on his head.
And it's always something along
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the lines of I love my little
girl, right?
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And so at the end of the movie,
The final moment, well, one of
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the final moments is she and her
mother are up in this deer
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stand, and the father in his
wolf form comes up and she looks
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at the dad and she says
something like he wants this to
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end.
Yeah, he wants it done.
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Yeah, yeah.
I was like, so is she really
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psychic?
But do you know what I mean?
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It was like, it was like such a
like philosophical thing for a
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child to say that it felt like
whoa.
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Yeah.
I mean, I think you had
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mentioned earlier there was like
bread crumbs for this movie.
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Yeah, there was like the
mushrooms that could kill you if
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you eat it, that the, you know,
reading the mind and stuff like
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that.
It it it was interesting for
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them to do that.
And the only instance aside from
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that, that it actually like came
to something was when she went
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to him, when he was in his in
between state and you could see
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his perspective.
And when she had her hand on
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him, he could understand her
finally.
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I'm not too sure why whenever
you're turning into this thing
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that you can't understand them
and they can't understand you
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like that.
I think that's really
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interesting.
Maybe it's just to cut you off,
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but she was able to, he was able
to understand her for a second.
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And I'm like, wait, why?
What's happening?
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And then they just like went
away.
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So it was, it was interesting,
weird decisions, especially with
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the child.
Yeah, yeah.
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I because she, she almost never
really felt like she was in
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immediate danger.
I was more worried about the
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mother than I was with the
child.
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Do you do you know, it's like, I
felt like I was like, the
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child's going to be safe.
The child's fine.
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But they also kept making these
decisions in the film where
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they'd be like, you know,
Ginger, go in the other room, be
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safe.
But then they would completely
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leave her by herself on another
floor of the house.
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There was a there was a part, I
think it's when the mother went
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to go look for the keys before
they went to go out to the car.
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And it's first like I would say
the first big jump scare where
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you see the other wolf.
She's full downstairs.
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Like this guy is literally
biting his like eating his own
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flesh.
And she's like, I'll be right.
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I'm going to go downstairs.
Can you watch her real quick
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like?
I got an idea.
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I'm like girl, like your husband
is a wolf, like you were just on
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the radio, like being like my
husband's not himself.
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Something is wrong and then
you're just going to leave your
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child that can't fend for
herself.
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Like watch Ginger.
It was so funny, it was so
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silly.
But in the let's, let's like,
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let's go to the good parts of
this, right?
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Because I do think there are
some weird script decisions and
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stuff.
Performances are good.
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I really appreciated the use of
sound in this movie.
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The sound was so freaking cool,
especially when his hearing got
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heightened.
Loved it.
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Yeah, I was actually going to
mention that too.
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That was my favorite part of the
movie as well.
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I thought the sound design was
really good.
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Like I mentioned that first
scene of the ants taking over
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the Hornet.
I thought that was really
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effective, how they really
ground down to the noises that
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were happening.
We also get the noise both in
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the past and in the present
story of the generator of the
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farm going on, which really made
you feel isolated in that
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moment.
And I think the the scenes that
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you mentioned of seeing it from
Blake's perspective, the way
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they would work the camera
right.
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And they did this really
smoothly throughout the whole
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film, which I appreciated was
they would always have this
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panning shot going from, you
know, the human point of view to
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the wolfman point of view.
And in that panning shot, it
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would all kind of turn over and
we'd see how he sees things and
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we'd hear how he hears things.
And so I did think that that was
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really one of the strongest
things in this movie.
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I think because it was set out
in the country, kind of out in
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the middle of nowhere that
really let a lot of these noises
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of, let's say, the scratching or
the car trying to start.
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It was really more effective
than if it would be in a city
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where there was a lot of ambient
noise or not ambient noise, but
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like, white noise.
Yeah.
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Yeah, and the the gore itself.
I, I, I felt like it was lacking
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a little bit.
I'm a huge fan of like body
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horror and stuff that makes you
uncomfortable.
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And there was moments of it, but
I felt like, let's go further.
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Like let's go like like the
transformation when he fully
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transformed into the witch or
witch into the wolf surprise
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into this wolf.
I was like, OK, like you just
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got some cheekbones and like
longer claws.
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And his, his jaw jutted out.
Yeah.
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Yeah, I the the design of said
Wolf I was a little disappointed
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with because like I mentioned
earlier, Wendigo feeling until
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dawn, you know, not wolfy like
not hairy enough.
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It didn't give me Wolf.
Where was his tail?
348
00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,600
Where ears?
In fact, his ears were going
349
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away.
Yeah.
350
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They were going into his head.
Yeah, it.
351
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Was an interesting 'cause if you
think back, I can't remember who
352
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did it, but Hopkins was in it.
I can't remember the other
353
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actors.
Man 2010's Wolfman until I got
354
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to like the CGI wolf.
Great, great, great, great.
355
00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,280
I wonder if, I mean, I don't, I
wish I would have done some
356
00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,240
research because it does mention
the beginning, that the
357
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indigenous view of this beast in
the forest.
358
00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,440
I wonder if maybe in that myth
that's what it looks like.
359
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,560
You know, I don't know.
But yeah, I I think that it's
360
00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,840
funny, I think zoomed out the
wolf didn't look good, but the
361
00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,640
zoom in body horror was much
better.
362
00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:30,720
The him gnawing off his leg, him
in that like squatted position,
363
00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,240
gnawing had his arm, the the
like full on claws coming out
364
00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,360
and busting out of his nails
like that I thought was pretty
365
00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:40,520
effective.
But I agree that the full
366
00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,400
Wolfman picture wasn't that
scary.
367
00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,080
Right.
And then, well, I mean, it just
368
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,640
didn't give Wolf, you know what
I mean?
369
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,200
It was like, I get why, like the
legend would be like, that's a
370
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,800
wolf, man, because it sounds
like a wolf.
371
00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,600
It runs like a wolf.
You know, it must be a wolf.
372
00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,960
But then it's like it's not
hairy.
373
00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,440
I needed the hair.
Not fubby enough.
374
00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,520
I needed the ears, I needed the
tail.
375
00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,920
No, I didn't need a werewolf.
And I know there is a difference
376
00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,760
between these two obviously, but
it just it felt a little like I
377
00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,760
could use a little a little
more, a little more, but I get
378
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,720
what they were going for.
I Is there like a universal
379
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,440
monster that you would want to
see done again, even ones that
380
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,080
we've already gotten?
Because I know we're getting
381
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,920
Frankenstein.
That's right, Toro, we haven't
382
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,560
gotten Dracula in a good minute
since, like, what, 2000?
383
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:31,840
I guess.
What about a good mummy?
384
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,720
I think we well, we got Tom
Cruise's mummy when they try to
385
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,280
reboot the.
Oh, the Brandon Fraser.
386
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,880
Oh, no, yeah, yeah.
It was the little bit of that.
387
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,960
Yeah, it was the Tom Cruise.
I think I would like to actually
388
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,800
see that, but I'm curious if
like, because Brandon Fraser's
389
00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:52,440
The Mummy so good, I'm curious
if it's just going to be so hard
390
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:53,960
to get past that.
It's almost like the Jurassic
391
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,960
Park movies where it's like they
keep trying and it's like, while
392
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,240
they're fun, they just don't
have that magic.
393
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,320
Will Jonathan Bailey save the
franchise?
394
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:03,600
I mean.
Although I don't think the
395
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,920
franchise is not doing well.
I just.
396
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:07,880
The last one made a billion
dollars.
397
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,280
I know and I don't know a single
person that watched.
398
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:15,240
It me either I don't either but
or or what about like a like
399
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,560
black?
What is it the?
400
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,160
Picture from the black.
Yeah, the Creature from the
401
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,360
Black Lagoon.
I could see that.
402
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,680
I mean, we probably when was the
last time we had something like
403
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,280
that?
A long time, right?
404
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,440
Yeah.
I mean, that's true.
405
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,560
Yeah.
I mean, I did like this.
406
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,800
I just.
I think I was expecting more,
407
00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:31,400
you know, like, even though I
think in our last interview or
408
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,600
interview, the last episode we
were talking about in Nosferatu,
409
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,320
we were like, it was good.
It was paint by the numbers
410
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,640
almost.
It's like this is the story of
411
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,040
Nosferatu, but there was some
moments in there where it was
412
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,560
unique and they told a different
thing and it just felt a little
413
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,320
fresher.
This felt very predictable.
414
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,520
Absolutely.
And it was a little
415
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,560
disappointing and not following
through with some of those bread
416
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:56,800
crumbs.
And I don't know if that was by
417
00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,880
design or if it just kind of
took over itself, like there's
418
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,720
too much.
I think, yeah, I think they
419
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,200
should have made the decision of
do we want this to just be point
420
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,280
blank like a quick Forrest
horror movie, or do we wanted to
421
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,840
have a little more meat to it?
But it seems that they couldn't
422
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,440
really decide that.
And so it was an odd mix of the
423
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,800
two, Kind of like a wolf man.
With a space.
424
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,400
Right, exactly.
Yeah, it it, it's interesting
425
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,560
because it's like the last shot.
If you think about it, it's like
426
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,400
it has the mother and the
daughter and then they're in
427
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,240
that valley again.
It's bookending that.
428
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,600
What is what are they trying to
say?
429
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,160
You know what it's like.
Yeah, I think that you.
430
00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:36,480
They're going to leave.
Right.
431
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,040
Like totally.
And like, right before the
432
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,200
transition, I loved, loved.
I was really hooked into this
433
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,680
movie.
And while I did like some of the
434
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,040
other stuff, it just felt like
it, it changed a little bit.
435
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,640
I liked the car crash.
I liked everything leading up to
436
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,000
that and up to him fully
transforming.
437
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,880
And then I was like, yeah.
I did like the reveal of the
438
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,160
grandfather being the wolf that
attacked him.
439
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,800
Yeah, I clocked I, I mean, in my
head I was like, it's the dad.
440
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,120
Oh see, I didn't get that.
So I was like, because he was.
441
00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:06,840
Missing.
And when he was like, we were
442
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,480
waiting for this letter, I was
like, it's the dad.
443
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,800
Because they had talked to.
They really made sure you knew,
444
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,200
like the hiker went missing,
this person went missing.
445
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,080
They go, OK, yeah.
I do.
446
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,000
I'm glad.
It was effective though, yeah.
447
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,280
It got me and but I will say
that I agree.
448
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,720
I think that there were some
things like we've been saying
449
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,480
that just they didn't fully draw
out, right.
450
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,920
And so, you know, you had
mentioned those mushrooms before
451
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,640
when he's a kid and he's hiking
with his dad.
452
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,920
The dad's like, don't eat those,
they'll kill you, right.
453
00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:36,600
And so you and I were like, oh,
he's going to, he's going to
454
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,240
take his own life by eating the
mushrooms to save his family.
455
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,240
Nope.
And then in the beginning, well,
456
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,480
by the end we're like, oh, she's
going to, she's going to write
457
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,560
about this because in the
beginning she says, I'm not a
458
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,000
writer anymore.
I I don't write a I'm not a
459
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,800
writer anymore.
She does kind of sound like
460
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,800
that.
Yeah, they did sound like that.
461
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,520
Anyway, She's she's a
journalist, but she had wanted
462
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:56,760
to write a book.
We learn.
463
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,760
And it's like we're like, oh,
she's going to write the book on
464
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,240
this and then that'll bring, you
know, whatever.
465
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,720
Nope.
Well, I mean, she I think that's
466
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,120
like maybe she could, right?
It's just interested, right, She
467
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,040
could right.
It's just interesting.
468
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,480
It's like usually final shots,
like you're either like left
469
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,000
with a feeling, a specific
feeling, and I'm not sure like
470
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,480
what I'm like, oh, they're going
to take over the valley and
471
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,200
eradicate all the Wolfman, you
know, like no, hopefully you go
472
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,200
right about it.
I don't know.
473
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,160
Yeah, yeah, it ended.
And I mean, I guess we could see
474
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,680
it as she said that she didn't
know how to be a mother to
475
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,320
Ginger anymore, and now she
finally is.
476
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,600
That fucking kid.
Yikes.
477
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,840
Oh, Ginger.
Nothing against the.
478
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,560
Actor I know Ginger didn't
listen at all.
479
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,320
Ginger had some whopper lines.
Ginger was like kind of the mom
480
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,760
was risking her life to save her
and then she was blaming the mom
481
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,360
for everything.
The moment.
482
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,120
So I will say the mom MVP of
this movie, she tried
483
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:58,400
everything.
She fought back.
484
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,000
She was going against the
grandfather, she was going
485
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,720
against her husband.
She amazing, really.
486
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,800
I was surprised, to be honest, I
didn't know what to expect from
487
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,200
this, but I liked them trying to
get together and then slowly
488
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,720
having to distance themselves,
right.
489
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,080
I after the whole car thing,
when she had to jump start the
490
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,600
car.
She got her sick husband in the
491
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,320
car, she got her bratty daughter
in the car.
492
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,120
She did all this.
She got away from everybody.
493
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:21,840
She brings the daughter in
there.
494
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,400
What are you supposed to do?
And then the daughter's like,
495
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,920
you left him.
And I was like, get her out,
496
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,480
throw her outside.
She's done.
497
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,000
Get rid of ginger.
Read the Room.
498
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,600
Maybe the wolf man would like
Derek with a little bit of
499
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,000
ginger on time.
Yeah, I know.
500
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,360
We were just like, what?
Yeah, she's a little.
501
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:42,160
She's a little jerk.
She doesn't know what she had.
502
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,840
Yeah, I'm saying.
RIP Blake though.
503
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,760
But I'm I'm excited for what
Winnell does next.
504
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,000
I think track record great.
This was fun.
505
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,600
I I enjoyed myself.
I wasn't checking the time.
506
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,640
It was just kind of predictable
and I wish they would have
507
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,880
followed through with a little
more unique themes that they had
508
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,560
started to set up.
Yeah, I think it's definitely
509
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,160
like, look, when it comes out on
streaming service, watch it.
510
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,520
You know, if you already
subscribed to that, check it
511
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,640
out.
I think it was entertaining.
512
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,000
I thought it was a little spooky
at parts and I think it served
513
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,600
its purpose as a monster.
Movie looks great, yeah.
514
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,560
Sounded great.
Yeah, not enough blood, but it's
515
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:22,920
fine.
I.
516
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,560
Was OK with that.
He didn't like when he threw up
517
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,120
the finger.
I sure didn't, but I thought it
518
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,720
was effective.
What about he when he grabbed
519
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,760
the knife multiple times?
Oh.
520
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,840
That I hate it was like, it's
because that's like one of those
521
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,920
things like where you're kind of
like, you know, if you ever
522
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,120
touch the blade of a knife,
you're like even if it just gets
523
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,000
you a little bit.
He was like.
524
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,560
But he's like grabbing it.
That's why I really like the
525
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,920
Evil Dead movies, because like,
you know.
526
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Grab knives well.
Worse, you know, there's cheese
527
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,520
graters involved.
Like, yeah, the reason why I
528
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,400
like it is because, like,
there's moments in horror movies
529
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,480
where you like, kind of like,
and it like, never really fully
530
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,960
goes that way or it like looks
away.
531
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,000
The Evil Dead movies don't do
that.
532
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,040
Like, they go and keep going and
it's like, look like it gives
533
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,880
you enough time to feel sick.
And I'm like, that is scary.
534
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,240
That is disgusting.
I like that.
535
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,880
And you didn't get that in this?
No.
536
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,080
Not to say like Evil Dead, the
only movies I do it, but that's
537
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,920
just one of the most recent
examples that I.
538
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,960
Could think of, and I do not
like movies like that.
539
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,280
So this was a really nice middle
ground if you don't enjoy movies
540
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,640
like that.
All right, so I mean, I liked
541
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,800
it, but it's nothing to like
howl home about, but like.
542
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,680
Yeah, I give it 2 OHS out of
five I'd.
543
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,360
Get rid of three.
OK, three who's?
544
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,000
Oh, there you go.
No, see, it's nothing to write
545
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,840
home about.
Oh, OK.
546
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,400
Oh, all right.
Back, back.
547
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:52,400
Till next time.
Bye.
