Doctor Who Ep7 'The Legend of Ruby Sunday' Review & Reaction

0:00 Hey, I'm carried and I'm joined by Hoan and you're listening to a Bite of And We Are the Harbingers of the penultimate episode of Doctor Who. Thanks. We're just doing word scrambles here, baby. Oh, anagrams. That's right. I love it. Because you know anagrams. We don't know them. No, I just said our names backwards. They weren't really anagrams. I didn't. I couldn't think of a way to make a word out of our names. So we are finally at the penultimate episode for Doctor Who season one, season 14, whatever you want to call it, there's it's, it's a, it's a, it's a part one of a finale, right?

0:47 So it's, it's going to be hard to be like the finale is great. We only have a a little tiny sliver of it, so I'm very excited to talk about all the theories that we did not get right. Right. And, and is, it's one of those things where it's, I guess this is sort of a penultimate thing where it leaves you with more questions than answers, right. We were hoping for some answers and we did not really. Well, we got one fish, maybe. We got a few. Yeah, Yeah. So before we get into this penultimate episode of Doctor Who, make sure you're following us. Make sure you're subscribed to us. Share this episode with your friends, with your family, on social media. You'll spread the word. If you like listening to us, you know, make your friends listen to us too. We like that stuff.

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2:42 Time has finally come. Dot dot dot. So, general thoughts, How did you feel about the first half of the finale going into the finale? Yes, 'cause this was A to be continued moment, right? So I, I feel like my, my thoughts cannot be expressed in words. It can only be expressed in looking over here and then looking over there. I felt like there was two giant things happening and I was trying to pay attention to both of them. That's a really good point. I think one of the things we'll get into about this episode is there because I feel like maybe because it's a short season, there's a lot of things that they just have to like pull together because the season's ending. So it's like, oh, we have this mystery and also this thing, but also this thing is happening.

3:32 It does kind of foster a frantic episode, but in a good way, right? The tension is constantly building. It ends in this like crescendo of like, what? I feel like I'm the Doctor, the last thing that we see the Doctor of him just being like, that's how I felt personally at the end of this episode because we knew it was coming, but we didn't know it was coming. And they played with us this whole time, which I thought was really fun. But again, you know, this is Part 1, so I can't say the finale is great. I think it's leading into something that could be really great, so we'll see. Yeah, it's definitely laying the groundwork for the final episode. And the thing that I'm most curious about is seeing if our two mysteries come together to be one mystery.

4:18 And so I think we'll have to wait until next week to. Do that actually relate or is it just a coincidence? Right. You know, everything's just happening at the same time because that's just how life is. Well that's also like in in the 1st special with Ruby. The whole thing is about coincidences and everything. So it's like, is it just by coincidence or is there a reason? What if it's the goblins? The entire this entire series has just been the goblins. After they destroyed their king, they've been wreaking havoc on their lives. I mean, good for them. I hope we get another musical number. For sure we're we're definitely lacking in music in this episode, so I agree. Not for Marie Gold, though. I'm just going to come out right away. Marie Gold coming back in full force.

4:58 I mean, he played with different themes that we've known through all of Doctor Who that he's done. It's so good. The last musical number, I was just like, yeah, yes, yes. Yes, I agree the the music itself is wonderful, but we didn't have any outright performances as we've had in past episodes. Get The Beatles back. Come on. To do not The Beatles songs, but what when music was gone? What if Jinx just appeared at UNIT? I am missing Jinx right? Jinx needs to come back. Yeah, I. Agree. All right, so, so let's talk about unit, right? I, I feel like there's three particular big moments in this episode and it's like unit time window Susan.

5:39 So unit, it's always fun going back to UNIT and Doctor Who. I mean, it's been 50 plus years since he the doctor was like, yes, OK, fine. I'll, I'll like join unit and be a part of it and we'll have this team. I like this episode in that they gave everybody a moment to shine. And especially these actors of like, you know, a lot, a lot of times there's these actors that do things when they're younger and then they kind of get these weird roles as they get older. But I like in this one that like even Mel was able to have like do something in this episode and not like in the specials where she just kind of ran around. She's just like. I'm here. Yeah. So it's really nice to see that I think Kate Stewart did a fantastic job in this episode. This is my favorite episode of Kate Stewart in a long time because I really feel like she felt like the leader of UNIT and she was really protective over people, which is something that I like about her. Unit gives me well like unit headquarters gives me Avengers Tower vibes.

6:35 It looks like it. Right. It does. Right. OK, I thought, I I thought I was going crazy with that, but no, it looks very much like it. She's very much the leader of SHIELD, you know what I mean? And I love how the TARDIS kind of comes crashing through, but they're prepared for it, right? And. They're like open the doors. They're open the doors. I think it's some sort of, you know, built in tarmac, TARDIS tarmac or something like that. No one is fazed by it flying in and even the Doctor in Ruby popping out. And in this scene we have what feels like a lot of reunions, right? So the Doctor is really happy to see a bunch of his UNIT friends. So Kate and Rose is there, which is kind of a big deal. He hasn't been found any right and. So he asks her, How are you? How's your uncle obviously talking about the doctor? Yeah, I just love.

7:21 So it's one. It's weird that Rose is there to be able to work. I'm just saying child labor laws, whatever. I don't know what her job is. I'm happy she's there, don't get me wrong, but it's like, why are you there? Morris is a great addition to us. I love Morris. 13 year old genius. Fantastic. Probability of a trap 99%. I loved these little reunions. I did find it funny because you know we're we're so used to 13 episode long seasons and sometimes we don't even get to see these people on a season. So for them to do a reunion like they haven't seen him in a while. I was just like, we have seen them. Oh, but they've been travelling. So I had to like, put myself in the character shoes of like, why are you guys so excited to see each other? Yeah, I know.

8:03 Well, I will say like if I haven't seen my friends who I've known my entire life for one month, when I'm reunited with them, I can't get enough of them. So maybe it's that type of? Thing imagine space and time in between that right? And you know, one of the things that we've spoken about is that there is there are adventures that we don't even know about that they've been on. So right, we figure the specials happened around Christmas time in their reality. And now it seems spring, summer, you know, looking at the doctor's, you know, garb that he's wearing, he's wearing a leather jacket and some jeans in this. So time has passed. And as far as Rose being there, it's kind of like, well, you kind of know about all this stuff, so you might as well have an internship here or something like that. I also just love the fact of, like, all of this is happening and the Doctor's just sitting in the garden with Donna just drinking like an iced tea, and he's like, yeah, this is fine.

8:52 He's earned it. He's earned a rest. Speaking of adventures we haven't seen. So the the episode doesn't really waste any time addressing the mysteries of what's happening and why he's there. So the fact of the TARDIS flying the way it is while they've been doing it more, and I don't know if that's just cause of budget and they can do it. I do miss the like materialization of the TARDIS in a way. You know that sound, but knowing what happens at the end of this episode, I think there's a reason why it's been making those noises being a little funny. So maybe it can't necessarily do that right now. So he actually has to fly it like a ship.

9:32 But this episode does show us glimpses of adventures that they've had that we haven't seen, right? Specifically when he talks about Susan, right? And there's this woman that's showing up everywhere and it shows her in different places that we haven't seen, which the effects and the prosthetics for her looked amazing. I wish we would have seen those adventures. Oh, yeah. It's like Terminator Susan. It's like White Walker Susan Weed, right. She looks like the White Walk King. Yeah. What is that King King Walk? I don't know what that was. Called White Walker. The White Walker, like the lead. She looked like the leader. Yeah, my franchises are all discombobulated. I apologize. But yeah, they were like two major adventures that we didn't get to meet her in, and I thought that was really cool. It's storytelling without telling us of the things that they gone on, right?

10:19 We've just been able to see, oh, they've done other things that we haven't even seen. And I also like the Doctor being like, Oh yeah, by the way, we have this other mystery, Ruby Sunday, and she's like, hello. And I think us as viewers, we like openly we're like, yeah, we have these two mysteries. They need to talk about them. But in world it, it is kind of funny for them to be like, well, we're we're talking about Susan now. Why are we talking about Ruby? Like she doesn't know who her mother is. It's fine. So I don't I thought like in universe, it's like kind of funny of them being like, OK, we're going to drop everything to like do this Ruby stuff. Which talking about that, I did feel because there was stuff happening and they needed to pull the threads.

11:00 Some of the pacing was a little odd because we got, we started getting the Susan stuff and it's like, oh, she was this and this and UNIT already knew about it, which I thought was hilarious. And I always like it when the the Doctor thinking that he is this clever man is put in his place a little bit like, you're not that clever. Like we already figured out the anagram. We already know about Susan. So like do you have any other new information? While you were frolicking around in Bridgerton, we were doing some real work here, OK? Morris was really working on some stuff. Harriet is here too. We don't know where Harriet came from, but she's here. Yeah, she's here Only. Only Harriet. Yeah, exactly, by the way. Yeah. But they, you know, we and we first see our first sort of letter game here, right. So the Sonic screwdriver does have some other capabilities than turning things on and off.

11:49 It's also progressing in any sort of PowerPoint slide presentation that already hasn't made. Exactly. It's loaded right in there. I just love the idea of the Doctor. Whenever he gets a new companion, he tells the Sonic. I mean, doesn't actually talk to the Sonic, but he's like, can you make a slideshow of Ruby Sunday and have it loaded whenever I need it? He's like, OK. OK, I mean, it must be some sort of unspoken connection, right? Oh yeah, how does the Sonic screwdriver know? It just knows. It just knows because the doctor knows. It's a beautiful thing. So getting to Ruby, OK, we don't get any answers, so we're just going to put that out there right now.

12:31 I will say the whole time window scene, so freaking cool. It was so cool. I love the way it looked. I loved the use of AVHS tape, which is like as millennials is nostalgic, right? And I just loved the look of it and how they did it because they added the practical and real snow, but then had the whole background and the whole 3D rendering as AVHS tape, which I thought was really cool. But then when they were like, they all were talking like, but there's no way we can see it. There's no way we can see it. And Harriet's like, guys, it was 2004. Like we have CCTV footage. Because when we think of the past, we think of 1902, not of 2004.

13:14 Again as millennials right? Not being able to process that 2004 was 20 years ago, which is insane. It was my first year of college. Oh. My God. So there's that for us to just ruminate on. I think we just need to take a second and pause for for some people, Christmas is a time of unwrapping presence, of watching your favorite movies, maybe White Christmas or It's a Wonderful Life, But for Ruby and her mother, they watch the VHSCCTV footage of her birth mother leaving her and walking away forever. They can you call it watching when the only thing you can see is static snow. It's snow, baby.

13:59 It's one of those things where it's like, I think conceptually is like, that's kind of sad. Like I get why you do it, but it's like, oh, and I I do love so I love Carla. I love Carla Sunday so much and I'm glad that she was able to be a part of this episode. She loves Ruby so much, and the fact that, you know, she does watch that with her every Christmas Eve is awesome because there might be the one of those things of, like, I am your adoptive mother. And I can't help but think, like, what if she did find her real mother? What is that going to be like for Carla? But the fact that she's so willing to be like, you need to find who your mother is, I'm willing for, like, just go do it is awesome. And it speaks to her character. Yeah. For Carla. I love her.

14:40 Carla had some really good scenes throughout this episode, really emotional and you know, bringing that feeling of I'm here for you no matter what. I know I'm your mother. And I think that that's the strength of knowing that she is Ruby's mother. But being there for Ruby to kind of uncover this mystery, that's always been a part of her. I also think that we before we go into the time window I want to talk about them retrieving the VHS and Missus Flood who has been a bit of a mystery ever since the special. Yeah, who is she? I don't know, but she's not getting you tea, that's for sure. Oh, Oh my God. She's like, sorry lady, you can lay in that. Bed.

15:20 Is she ever going to get her cup of tea? I don't think so. I just OK, so let's talk about Misses Flood. Since you brought it up. I have no freaking idea. Like I'm just is she? Let's just throw theories out here, right? Is she actually the doctor's granddaughter? Could she be that there is something that is said in this? So there's some really good emotional beats in this episode that they do throw in. It's Russell D Davies. His his finales are all about spectacle and emotional weight. And I feel like this one didn't hold back in that and they were able to do that. So he talks to Kate Stewart in this episode about children because they talk because Ruby has I think she mentions like Susan, like your granddaughter.

16:03 Could that be your granddaughter? So that's when that sets the whole thing into motion. Like is she Kate Stewart Messen mentions a chrysalis theory, like a Caterpillar doesn't know it's a butterfly until it's a butterfly. Phoenix doesn't know it's a phoenix until it burns. So that's with Susan, right? Missus Flood, I'm interested in she says something of like, what is it like I've been waiting or I've been like something like like I've hid myself away or something like that. And the Doctor had recently said when he was talking about regeneration that we can like prevent death. But also hide who we are. And it was an interesting parallel between what Misses Flood says in this scene versus what he had just said. So I don't know, is she Susan?

16:48 Is she, I don't know what harbinger for another God? I have no idea. Yeah, I don't know either. But it does seem like the TARDIS had some effect on her. You know, when we first meet her, she's like, you can't leave this here in the middle of the street. She doesn't know what it is. She's annoyed that it's even there, but then by the end of the special she knows exactly what it is and she tells Ruby to go inside it. So does the TARDIS sort of infect people around it or something like that? Can whatever is in the TARDIS leak out and go into those who are waiting near it? Well, I mean, it's called, it has a being on it, so maybe. That nobody realized was there. There is not to get to the final reveal too early, but Sue Tech being who he is and thinking back into like the 1975 when he first appeared and everything Suitek is a, is a part of being called the O Sirens.

17:43 And they're pretty much what inspired the Egyptian gods. And Horus is like the brother to Suitek and they've been kind of at odds and they're maybe I'm just saying maybe Flood could be the harbinger for Horus and she is acting like a activation type thing for Ruby because Ruby has to Ruby has to connect to this, right? And what does that mean? Why is she so close to the Sundays is interesting to me. I don't know, that was a wild theory, but I'm just putting it out there. Hey, that's what this episode's about. Let's just throw wild theory, see what sticks. She keeps looking at the camera too. So these 4th wall breaks are just like kind of concerning to make.

18:26 The doctor has done them. Mrs. Flood has done them almost every time. I don't know. So Mrs. Flood thread? Kind of, Yeah, who knows? Maybe just the theme of this. We're going too big. I think this, we're like music and babies. The theme is just women. It's just powerful women. Yeah. All right. So don't trust them. Don't trust the old lady down the street. Well, not Harriet, right? Definitely not Harriet. Mrs. Flood is on the list. We're, you know, we're still wondering about Susan. I don't know, Cherry Sunday we can trust. Oh yeah, absolutely. She's amazing. She needs her cuppa. Just give her a cup of tea. Oh, she wanted so simple. All right, so to the time window we from timey wimey, time travel explanation and sci-fi shows the Doctor can't go back to that time because he was already there. Paradox, end of universe, all of that stuff. It's a typical Doctor Who thing.

19:19 Sometimes they break it, sometimes they don't. And then this particular one, he does not break it. I find it really interesting that whoever Ruby's mother is is shadowed and it seems like they could manipulate the time window in some way. We have seen the time window throughout the history of Doctor Who, but not on this scale of it being like a manifestation, but then affecting things in the present to bring something through that powerful. I'm still not. I don't have answers, right? We don't have answers because how is Suitek able to attach? How did they get there? Is it because the salt at the end of the universe that the Doctor did in the wild?

20:00 But Yonder we don't know yet. We don't have any explanations with. I think is interesting for a Doctor Who episode and the Doctors like to not know, but I don't know. Do you think that she's connected to Suitek, a different Pantheon member, or just something? Completely different. Do you think Ruby is her mother? Like what are your thoughts on her mother? So one of the things I'm thinking right now, so right, so being in the time window, being back in 2004, they have to stay in one spot. But the interesting thing is the cloaked figure kind of skips them. Like glitches it. Glitches, She can go past them. So it does seem like Ruby's mother is not just a human. There's something more about her where she has more power. And the thing that I'm wondering now is if Ruby is actually the key defeating SU Tech and her mother, whoever she is, knows that she has to start her journey by leaving her at the church on Ruby Rd.

20:57 I hope so, right? Like you, you would hope that that would be the reason why she abandoned her child. Because we see her. They're they're, they're all panicking, going, what is she doing? What are you seeing? And we have Ruby's mother going. She's crying. Carla, Carla, because she left her, her child there. She's devastated. That's what's happening right now. So she's not leaving there because she doesn't love her. She's leaving her there because she knows she's the key to saving the world. I'm just going to say Carla though, if you can see her crying, why can't you see her face? It's one of those things where, yeah, it's not so much about the face, it's about the body going into this. Yeah. It's crying shoulders, you know what I mean?

21:39 She could see her really racking the tears. So that's my my current theory is that it broke her heart to leave Ruby there, but she knows it in the future. Ruby is the key to defeating Suitek. That's like the best case scenario, right? You would hope that the parent that abandoned you had to do it for a good reason. Not yet, right? And is upset about. It and The thing is, is that don't forget she does that long pointing at the TARDIS, Yeah, being like hello, hello. Yeah, it's one of those things of like, was she warning the Doctor of what's on the TARDIS? Because so we see the scan and then we see the smoke lost monster come up. I'm it's interesting.

22:22 And also the Doctor said something about how his memory of this event keeps changing. Time keeps changing. One of my favorite lines in this whole episode is how he talks about memory is time and time is memory, but what he says something what is the memory of a time machine It's scary. I don't like the thing that OK, I'm, you know, stakes aside, with humans, I am terrified for the TARDIS. Do not touch that TARDIS. Leave the TARDIS alone. They're. Going to have to do a cleansing of the TARDIS something. The TARDIS is like an infant. There's infinite space in it. I I'm worried about the TARDIS by the end of this. Like what is that going to look like? How if they separate Suitek from it, is that going to kill the TARDIS in some way if the TARDIS dies? I don't what does this show.

23:13 How could they do that? They can't. Absolutely. Not they're not allowed. No, definitely not. They can kill as well. They can whatever, Get rid of as many Doctors as they want. You can't get rid of the TARDIS. No, you can't. I mean, unless, no, no. What if he's just drives around it and like a very modern police car? From now on, absolutely not. What if. This is just a theory, right? What if something does happen with a TARDIS and UNIT? It being at UNIT is able to repair it, but it takes time and so he has to use Rogue's ship. So maybe it's not as advanced as the TARDIS, but it does have the capabilities to do what the TARDIS does to some extent, so he knows where it is. And then he can clean it up and then he can go find Rogue. Right.

24:00 Exactly. Maybe the doctor's next season is just about finding Rogue. Yeah. I mean, OK, so sorry. Back to to Ruby, though. I had a thought of kind of the way that Suitek. There you go. I was the letters roll scrambled in my head. Suitek is being portrayed and kind of being like this bringer of death and destruction. And if we think of Ruby, Ruby is joy and music and snow, right? So it does seem like that could be the perfect thing to fight Zutek. So she's the key. I would, it would have to be almost right, like Ruby has to be in some way the key to this, like is Ruby a pantheon member, a God of some sort? I know Harriet, the amazing scene with the entrance of Zutek and Harriet saying all of the other gods, the trickster, the toy maker, the maestro, the daughter son, the mouse and all that.

24:56 Is there one that is the opposite of each one? Like, you know, a lot of times there's it's balance, right? And so is there the good versions of these pantheon members or especially one that's destruction? Which one is life? I guess you raw. Oh cool. I don't know, like I'm, I'm like do not know about gods that way, but which one would that be? Yeah, our only studying of Egyptian gods that we've done recently is watching Moon Knight. I'm Percy Jackson. Yeah. So I think we have some interesting stuff here, especially the fact that by the end of the episode Ruby is back in this time window. Yeah.

25:40 RIP to Colonel Chitosi. Oh yeah, sad. He tried. We we only just met ye. He didn't. He did, and Ruby trying to find him. He didn't find him. And ye and ye hath been dust to death, he done dusted. So the with the time window kind of breaking or setting into motions a lot of the stuff, I am very curious if it was needed, like the time window needed to happen for Sue Tech to fully bring himself to being one of the biggest mysteries of this that we still have answers to. And hopefully we get him in the next episode. With Susan particularly, she does seem like just a normal person.

26:21 So who are these harbingers? And also is Susan one of them? Or is she just happened to be an unlucky person that Sue Tech chose because of the name Susan? And it might be like it might be a trap, right? Everything, her name Susan Triad, anagram for TARDIS Everything is a trap to get the Doctor to go there, showing him her face and her having dreams to get him to go to that place. But then the question remains, why? Why Susan of all people, does she know? Does she not know? Is she just possessed? Yeah, well, we learned that Susan has been around for quite a while and she's been a giant in the tech and software industry.

27:03 She's kind of a genius. She's also very benevolent. So for SU Tech to choose someone to kind of inhabit that has so much reach makes sense, right? He's able to possibly see into the future of this world and know that she is going to do a worldwide press conference. And at that moment is when he can release his whatever into into into our world to destroy it. And so it seems that he's chosen her, you know, for a reason. And I think the reason is, is the reach. I mean, can a God dance better than this? I don't know, Rome, if you want to. It's all about the elbows close to the body and the. Arms.

27:47 It's very Theresa May. Yeah, like that's she's literally done the exact same dance and it's hilarious. It's also very danger. Will Robinson. It's those arms for sure. I love her. I love, I love that this actor not only got to play all these characters, but really got such a great character to play. Terrifying. Also, like, sympathetic in the beginning, right when the Doctor first meets Susan, we hear from Mel that she's just a nice person. She says call me Sue, that's how nice she is. Not not missus triad, no. Call me Sue. Call me Sue. So it's one of these things of like, this whole episode was playing with fans, right?

28:28 They knew that we would be doing all these theories. They knew that we would find the anagram for TARDIS. They even found in the beginning. As soon as they found it, I was like, that's not right. There's no way that they tell us this revealed this early and for Sue to be somebody that seems so innocent. Going back to Kate's, Kate Stewart's theory of the chrysalis theory, was she always this and she just didn't know? Because again, a Caterpillar doesn't know it's a butterfly until it's a butterfly. So that's what brings me back to was it always plan? Was it a coincidence? Reach. It's all about social media, right? Hashtags.

29:09 Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm very interested to get these theories and get these like loose ends tied up. And also, what would it mean for the rest of the show and the series going forward? Yeah, Well, you know, I think there's something to be said about gods just using humans as their toys, as their playthings. And so unfortunately for Susan SU, Tech did that to her right and is using her, and she doesn't understand what's going on because she's having these dreams, but we all know they're not actually dreams. She's appearing in other worlds and following the Doctor around. I guess the question is though, is why would Sue Tech want to infiltrate all of the Doctor's adventures in that way?

29:51 Well, I mean, so thinking back into the 4th Doctor with Sarah Jane Smith, they defeated Sue Tech by putting him in this like time corridor and like putting it far into the future to where he'll like die there. So like trapped in there? Not far enough. And like, there's not far enough. And this is where like, so as a Doctor Who fan, I haven't consumed a lot of the extended universe stuff. I know there's audio dramas, I know there's comics, I know there's books. I haven't really consumed those. I've whisperings and kind of seen some stuff. And I'm curious if something in there would answer on how Suitek is able to do this and why he's there. Hopefully we get those answers. But I do love the thought of Russell T Davies being like, this is season one, this is good for new viewers.

30:37 And then they get a villain from like 50 years ago and it's like, good luck. Right. And, and my question is, and looking at the sort of, I feel like there's three representatives of Suitek in this episode, right? There's Harriet, who is the Harbinger. There's Susan, who is another, you know, Scullion figure. And then there's the large dog beast that's living on the TARDIS, right? So is that actually Suitek? Yeah, I would think because so Suitek as a whole has these abilities of like psychic possession and stuff. So that's why I'm thinking I don't know if Sue is a willing candidate in this and she's just now possessed and she's the main, like conduit for Suitek.

31:21 Like, does Suitek have to stay on the TARDIS to channel his powers? You know what I mean? So that's why I'm thinking maybe the separation between them is going to. I don't know. Yeah, he's, it's like he's using the TARDIS as a conduit of his energy. Like that is what is able to make him bring Susan through those adventures and transport her there. If he's stuck in this time corridor, he needs something that can travel through time, right? Which is the TARDIS? Right. And that's how Susan has been following them, right? It's just connected. To the TARDIS, I think Susan Triad the human is just unfortunately a pawn in all of Suitec. 'S I think so too. Evil doings? I think so too. I hope so, because that's a very Doctor Who thing, right? It's an innocent person being put into these situations. That is heartbreaking.

32:06 And we also see, you know, that Mel, I guess part of her job with UNIT is to get some sort of, you know, tissue specimen specimen from Sue every day to make sure she's still human. Daily, daily. She's always shaking her hand. I love Mel. Being undercover, Oh yeah, Because she is like the nicest and most capable person to do that and you would never suspect it and she's so good at. It she's on the media team. Yeah, OK. She's on the media team. Of course. She just walked into places. She's fine. I also love her taking off on her Vespa to bring the sample to unit. You know, we need more, Mel. We do. We need more Mel. We need more. I think she came up I think in the Doctor Who like book line. I think there is recently a Mel book that came out. I might want to read that.

32:53 You everyone just go. If you haven't just Google Mel when Mel was actually on the show. The the the amazing curly red hair. It's just beautiful. I she is a better character now. Like, she was great then. She's a better character now because like in when she was in the show, it's a lot of running and screaming. It's like there's like, I'm glad she's able to like, do something. Giving the companions depth here in 2024. So let's talk about the reveal of Suitek I. Holy crap. So Gabriel Wolf voices Suitek, who originally voiced Suitek, who has also voiced the beast, which is a, is let's just say it's Satan, right?

33:38 And so this is a, a, a villain or a, a creature that the doctor has encountered. So he's been able to voice these like very huge characters, these demonic things. Perfect voice for it. When Carla in the time window part had said it's the beast, I was like, there's no fucking way is it the beast? It's not, but I'd like to call back to it because he does voice that character. I thought it was so well done having Harriet just list all of the things that Suitek is the destroyer and all of that terrifying everything like dims down. You have Ruby in the time window, not knowing what's going to happen. It goes back to 2004.

34:18 The doctor didn't tell her what to do, which is like, what is Ruby supposed to do? She's just in that time window now. Like hi, what am I supposed to do? Do I move now? Can I not move? But the reveal of Susan Triad having that like skull prosthetic and that wispy gross looking hair. Terrifying. I think that they did a really good job right. So in in this these final moments, we're in two different places. We're at UNIT and we're in the studios or, or wherever that is. And we're watching mayhem in both places. And it's kind of like Kate's saying to the doctor, doctor, you need to get here. And the doctor's like, no, something's happening here as well. And both of them are kind of spouting these words. We're watching the words on the prompter and it's really just amping up the tension for that reveal of the skull. It's so frantic and it builds to that tension having Marigold bring that score.

35:13 I do want to say any any listeners that might have catched it in this particular moment, specifically when Ruby goes into the time window, it sounded like the score for the master and I don't know if that's purposeful or maybe just a new rendition of it, but I thought it was really interesting. That's kind of what I thought immediately when I heard it. And I was like, but they but Russell T Davies said we weren't doing the master. I don't believe him one second anymore for anything because he's been lying this whole time. So is Susan Flood the master? Is that Missy? I don't know. It sounds this feels very much like the what is it Mephisto days of Marvel. Yeah, but we actually have like confirmation like the Mephisto and Doctor Who is Sue Tech and he is here or they are here. So the question I have is, in all this mayhem, why does the doctor say that Ruby needs to go back to the time? Window right again, this is part one right? And so we're left with so many questions. Yeah, we got the villain reveal of who's been waiting. Why?

36:25 What does it have to do with Ruby? Why is she in the time window again? Why did it activate by itself after it's seeming like kind of destroyed itself? It's a lot of loose. Threads here. OK, so crazy cuckoo theory. What if Ruby's mother is Amy Pond? No. And she had to give up another one of her children to save the world. I mean, I love the Ponds. I love them. They're, they're gone. The angels took them. I could not fathom Russell T Davies being like, you know what would be good? Having Amy lose another child.

37:06 That's why she was crying. And having another River Song moment, there has been, I have seen people say like is Ruby's mother River Song? Is she connected? I was thinking that too. I mean, I would love Riversong to show up again. I don't know how I feel about that. Not that she couldn't have kids, right? Like, Riversong is the doctor's wife, so that would technically make Ruby a child of the doctor. I don't know. Well, and there's that whole conversation, though, in this episode with the doctor of going, well, if you have a grandchild, that means you have children. Yeah. But then there's that whole thing of like, a weird conversation of him saying, well, not yet. And so he explains that I took it as like, either him skirting around talking about kids and all of that because it's like a touchy subject for him or because he's a Time Lord.

37:54 They're technically not born yet in their, like, 21st century or whatever, but he still has a granddaughter because he brought her to this time. So like his kids aren't there yet that his granddaughter is? I don't. Know like River Song goes backwards while they go forward, so she's already had the kids. Yeah, we've seen the beginning and the end of River Song. It's all the in between stuff that we haven't seen so. River Song. This whole thing was about music. I mean, that's probably the more probable theory when you put it that way. Right. I mean, I'm sorry, I just keep seeing that video of the actors, obviously, but it's, isn't it like River, they're like on a panel and she's like very, she's whispering into Jodi's ear like very sexily or something. Have you seen that?

38:45 So that just makes me think that she's having babies. Maybe. Yeah, unfortunately for the Pond line of children, they're just destined to always have to give up their daughter. Let's not do that to the pawns. They've had enough. They got taken by the angels and all of their life potential is gone. So let's not bring them back. Of all the companions, don't do that to them. Where's Karen been these days? Hello. She's been on the Doctor Who set. That is true. That is true. All right. So loose threads, the only ones that we have going forward, Who is Ruby Sunday's mom? Why and how Suitek.

39:28 That's the that's literally what I wrote down. Why and how Suitek and how it all connects together. Missus Flood. Hopefully we'll find out. Those are the questions we really have for the last episode. And a part of me is thinking we might not get any answer. I hope we do. I think that we're going to see who's under the hood, right? Because that's kind of one of the final moments that we're left with is the hooded figure coming towards Ruby. And of course, it goes to be continued. So I'm thinking that we will get that answer. And I feel like a lot of times when a penultimate episode ends in a frenzy like this, we're going to have a very calm flashback to start this next episode.

40:12 Yeah, it typically either does like a flashback with something we need to know for the episode, or it picks up right where it stops. Right as Sue was going straight for the Doctor, she was about to try to turn him to dust. There is a scene. The only thing that I think we've seen from the finale in the media that has come out is it looks like a bunch of sand is engulfing the city. And that makes me think, is it like sand or is it like a dead people? No, like, that's not good. No, I'm terrified. Like the stakes are very high. Like Suitek and especially this incarnation of Suitek who by the way, the visual effects people need to be praised for this episode. Everything looked amazing from the practical to the special. Fantastic zoo tech look cool.

41:00 Yeah, zoo tech look cool. I love the practical makeup on Susan and Harriet. That was very cool. Even the vlinks looks awesome. Yeah, I love the vlinks. Da da da doing some typing. Love them. Oh. OK, let us know your thoughts. What did you love? What did you? Oh my God. I just thought of something. Sorry, end of episode. This is how these go. This is a review slash reaction, right? There was a very specific moment with Harriet. I don't know if you caught it. And the only reason why I thought about it is because I don't know the conversion rates for measurement. OK. What I do know is that she said the CCTV footage was 66 yards, not yards meters away from where Ruby was left in 73 yards, which when Ruby meets with Kate Stewart, she talks about all the distances in the conversion rates. 66 meters is 73 yards.

42:03 The only callback we've gotten to 73 yards because 73 yards events have are kind of erased. So how would they come back? I don't know if it was just like a callback to the episode or it means something. I don't know. I don't know, but that's a good, good looking out. Just wanted to put that out there. I also want to just think about sort of Suitex army of skull heads. Like I feel like he can make them pop up everywhere. I think that there are people that are going to exist. Sleeper agents. Very much like Prime Sentinel. You know what I mean? Like that type of thing where it should be like bam bam skull heads skull heads. He can possess, yeah. I guess we'll see if he does create.

42:43 I mean, his whole thing, he wants to destroy everything. He wants to destroy life. He wants to take away the the the burden of choice, which is death. So he's scary. He's a very paranoid guy, so it's not good. It's not good at all. Poor season. Oh my God. So next week finale? Oof, yes, we'll see you then. So many questions, hopefully they'll be answered. Goodbye, bye. The.