Doctor Who Ep7 'The Legend of Ruby Sunday' Review & Reaction

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We were hoping for some answers

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and we did not really.
Well, we got one fish, maybe.

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We got a few.
Yeah, Yeah.

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All right, so spoilers ahead for
I guess the last 60 years of

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Doctor Who.
You know, if you haven't watched

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it, go watch it come back.
We would love to have this

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conversation with you.
All right, so let us officially

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take a bite of Doctor Who
episode 7, The Legend of Ruby

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Sunday, written by Russell T
Davies and directed by Jamie

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Donohue.
The TARDIS lands at UNIT

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headquarters where the team
shares Susan Twist is actually

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Susan Triad, who is about to
bestow her technology on the

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world.
The Doctor and Ruby step into

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the time window with the help of
Avhs to uncover the hooded

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mystery woman from Ruby's past,
but reveal more than they

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bargained for.
The one who waits.

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Time has finally come.
Dot dot dot.

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So, general thoughts, How did
you feel about the first half of

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the finale going into the
finale?

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Yes, 'cause this was A to be
continued moment, right?

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So I, I feel like my, my
thoughts cannot be expressed in

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words.
It can only be expressed in

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looking over here and then
looking over there.

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I felt like there was two giant
things happening and I was

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trying to pay attention to both
of them.

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That's a really good point.
I think one of the things we'll

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get into about this episode is
there because I feel like maybe

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because it's a short season,
there's a lot of things that

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they just have to like pull
together because the season's

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ending.
So it's like, oh, we have this

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mystery and also this thing, but
also this thing is happening.

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It does kind of foster a frantic
episode, but in a good way,

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right?
The tension is constantly

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building.
It ends in this like crescendo

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of like, what?
I feel like I'm the Doctor, the

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last thing that we see the
Doctor of him just being like,

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that's how I felt personally at
the end of this episode because

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we knew it was coming, but we
didn't know it was coming.

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And they played with us this
whole time, which I thought was

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really fun.
But again, you know, this is

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Part 1, so I can't say the
finale is great.

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I think it's leading into
something that could be really

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great, so we'll see.
Yeah, it's definitely laying the

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groundwork for the final
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And the thing that I'm most
curious about is seeing if our

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two mysteries come together to
be one mystery.

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And so I think we'll have to
wait until next week to.

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Do that actually relate or is it
just a coincidence?

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Right.
You know, everything's just

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happening at the same time
because that's just how life is.

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Well that's also like in in the
1st special with Ruby.

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The whole thing is about
coincidences and everything.

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So it's like, is it just by
coincidence or is there a

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reason?
What if it's the goblins?

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The entire this entire series
has just been the goblins.

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After they destroyed their king,
they've been wreaking havoc on

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their lives.
I mean, good for them.

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I hope we get another musical
number.

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For sure we're we're definitely
lacking in music in this

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episode, so I agree.
Not for Marie Gold, though.

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I'm just going to come out right
away.

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Marie Gold coming back in full
force.

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I mean, he played with different
themes that we've known through

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all of Doctor Who that he's
done.

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It's so good.
The last musical number, I was

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just like, yeah, yes, yes.
Yes, I agree the the music

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itself is wonderful, but we
didn't have any outright

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performances as we've had in
past episodes.

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Get The Beatles back.
Come on.

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To do not The Beatles songs, but
what when music was gone?

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What if Jinx just appeared at
UNIT?

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I am missing Jinx right?
Jinx needs to come back.

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Yeah, I.
Agree.

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All right, so, so let's talk
about unit, right?

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I, I feel like there's three
particular big moments in this

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episode and it's like unit time
window Susan.

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So unit, it's always fun going
back to UNIT and Doctor Who.

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I mean, it's been 50 plus years
since he the doctor was like,

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yes, OK, fine.
I'll, I'll like join unit and be

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a part of it and we'll have this
team.

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I like this episode in that they
gave everybody a moment to

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shine.
And especially these actors of

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like, you know, a lot, a lot of
times there's these actors that

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do things when they're younger
and then they kind of get these

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weird roles as they get older.
But I like in this one that like

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even Mel was able to have like
do something in this episode and

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not like in the specials where
she just kind of ran around.

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She's just like.
I'm here.

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Yeah.
So it's really nice to see that

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I think Kate Stewart did a
fantastic job in this episode.

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This is my favorite episode of
Kate Stewart in a long time

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because I really feel like she
felt like the leader of UNIT and

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she was really protective over
people, which is something that

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I like about her.
Unit gives me well like unit

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headquarters gives me Avengers
Tower vibes.

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It looks like it.
Right.

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It does.
Right.

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OK, I thought, I I thought I was
going crazy with that, but no,

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it looks very much like it.
She's very much the leader of

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SHIELD, you know what I mean?
And I love how the TARDIS kind

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of comes crashing through, but
they're prepared for it, right?

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And.
They're like open the doors.

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They're open the doors.
I think it's some sort of, you

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know, built in tarmac, TARDIS
tarmac or something like that.

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No one is fazed by it flying in
and even the Doctor in Ruby

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popping out.
And in this scene we have what

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feels like a lot of reunions,
right?

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So the Doctor is really happy to
see a bunch of his UNIT friends.

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So Kate and Rose is there, which
is kind of a big deal.

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He hasn't been found any right
and.

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So he asks her, How are you?
How's your uncle obviously

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talking about the doctor?
Yeah, I just love.

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So it's one.
It's weird that Rose is there to

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be able to work.
I'm just saying child labor

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laws, whatever.
I don't know what her job is.

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I'm happy she's there, don't get
me wrong, but it's like, why are

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you there?
Morris is a great addition to

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us.
I love Morris. 13 year old

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genius.
Fantastic.

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Probability of a trap 99%.
I loved these little reunions.

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I did find it funny because you
know we're we're so used to 13

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episode long seasons and
sometimes we don't even get to

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see these people on a season.
So for them to do a reunion like

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they haven't seen him in a
while.

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I was just like, we have seen
them.

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Oh, but they've been travelling.
So I had to like, put myself in

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the character shoes of like, why
are you guys so excited to see

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each other?
Yeah, I know.

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Well, I will say like if I
haven't seen my friends who I've

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known my entire life for one
month, when I'm reunited with

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them, I can't get enough of
them.

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So maybe it's that type of?
Thing imagine space and time in

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between that right?
And you know, one of the things

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that we've spoken about is that
there is there are adventures

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that we don't even know about
that they've been on.

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So right, we figure the specials
happened around Christmas time

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in their reality.
And now it seems spring, summer,

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you know, looking at the
doctor's, you know, garb that

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he's wearing, he's wearing a
leather jacket and some jeans in

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this.
So time has passed.

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And as far as Rose being there,
it's kind of like, well, you

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kind of know about all this
stuff, so you might as well have

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an internship here or something
like that.

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I also just love the fact of,
like, all of this is happening

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and the Doctor's just sitting in
the garden with Donna just

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drinking like an iced tea, and
he's like, yeah, this is fine.

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He's earned it.
He's earned a rest.

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Speaking of adventures we
haven't seen.

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So the the episode doesn't
really waste any time addressing

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the mysteries of what's
happening and why he's there.

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So the fact of the TARDIS flying
the way it is while they've been

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doing it more, and I don't know
if that's just cause of budget

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and they can do it.
I do miss the like

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materialization of the TARDIS in
a way.

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You know that sound, but knowing
what happens at the end of this

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episode, I think there's a
reason why it's been making

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those noises being a little
funny.

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So maybe it can't necessarily do
that right now.

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So he actually has to fly it
like a ship.

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But this episode does show us
glimpses of adventures that

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they've had that we haven't
seen, right?

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Specifically when he talks about
Susan, right?

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And there's this woman that's
showing up everywhere and it

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shows her in different places
that we haven't seen, which the

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effects and the prosthetics for
her looked amazing.

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I wish we would have seen those
adventures.

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Oh, yeah.
It's like Terminator Susan.

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It's like White Walker Susan
Weed, right.

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She looks like the White Walk
King.

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Yeah.
What is that King King Walk?

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I don't know what that was.
Called White Walker.

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The White Walker, like the lead.
She looked like the leader.

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Yeah, my franchises are all
discombobulated.

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I apologize.
But yeah, they were like two

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major adventures that we didn't
get to meet her in, and I

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thought that was really cool.
It's storytelling without

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telling us of the things that
they gone on, right?

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We've just been able to see, oh,
they've done other things that

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we haven't even seen.
And I also like the Doctor being

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like, Oh yeah, by the way, we
have this other mystery, Ruby

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Sunday, and she's like, hello.
And I think us as viewers, we

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like openly we're like, yeah, we
have these two mysteries.

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They need to talk about them.
But in world it, it is kind of

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funny for them to be like, well,
we're we're talking about Susan

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now.
Why are we talking about Ruby?

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Like she doesn't know who her
mother is.

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It's fine.
So I don't I thought like in

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universe, it's like kind of
funny of them being like, OK,

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we're going to drop everything
to like do this Ruby stuff.

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Which talking about that, I did
feel because there was stuff

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happening and they needed to
pull the threads.

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Some of the pacing was a little
odd because we got, we started

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getting the Susan stuff and it's
like, oh, she was this and this

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and UNIT already knew about it,
which I thought was hilarious.

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And I always like it when the
the Doctor thinking that he is

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this clever man is put in his
place a little bit like, you're

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not that clever.
Like we already figured out the

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anagram.
We already know about Susan.

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So like do you have any other
new information?

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While you were frolicking around
in Bridgerton, we were doing

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some real work here, OK?
Morris was really working on

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some stuff.
Harriet is here too.

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We don't know where Harriet came
from, but she's here.

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Yeah, she's here Only.
Only Harriet.

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Yeah, exactly, by the way.
Yeah.

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But they, you know, we and we
first see our first sort of

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letter game here, right.
So the Sonic screwdriver does

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have some other capabilities
than turning things on and off.

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It's also progressing in any
sort of PowerPoint slide

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presentation that already hasn't
made.

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Exactly.
It's loaded right in there.

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I just love the idea of the
Doctor.

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Whenever he gets a new
companion, he tells the Sonic.

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I mean, doesn't actually talk to
the Sonic, but he's like, can

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you make a slideshow of Ruby
Sunday and have it loaded

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whenever I need it?
He's like, OK.

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OK, I mean, it must be some sort
of unspoken connection, right?

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Oh yeah, how does the Sonic
screwdriver know?

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It just knows.
It just knows because the doctor

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knows.
It's a beautiful thing.

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So getting to Ruby, OK, we don't
get any answers, so we're just

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going to put that out there
right now.

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I will say the whole time window
scene, so freaking cool.

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It was so cool.
I love the way it looked.

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I loved the use of AVHS tape,
which is like as millennials is

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nostalgic, right?
And I just loved the look of it

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and how they did it because they
added the practical and real

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snow, but then had the whole
background and the whole 3D

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rendering as AVHS tape, which I
thought was really cool.

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But then when they were like,
they all were talking like, but

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there's no way we can see it.
There's no way we can see it.

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And Harriet's like, guys, it was
2004.

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Like we have CCTV footage.
Because when we think of the

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past, we think of 1902, not of
2004.

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Again as millennials right?
Not being able to process that

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2004 was 20 years ago, which is
insane.

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It was my first year of college.
Oh.

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My God.
So there's that for us to just

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ruminate on.
I think we just need to take a

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second and pause for for some
people, Christmas is a time of

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unwrapping presence, of watching
your favorite movies, maybe

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White Christmas or It's a
Wonderful Life, But for Ruby and

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her mother, they watch the
VHSCCTV footage of her birth

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mother leaving her and walking
away forever.

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They can you call it watching
when the only thing you can see

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is static snow.
It's snow, baby.

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It's one of those things where
it's like, I think conceptually

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is like, that's kind of sad.
Like I get why you do it, but

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it's like, oh, and I I do love
so I love Carla.

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I love Carla Sunday so much and
I'm glad that she was able to be

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a part of this episode.
She loves Ruby so much, and the

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fact that, you know, she does
watch that with her every

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Christmas Eve is awesome because
there might be the one of those

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things of, like, I am your
adoptive mother.

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And I can't help but think,
like, what if she did find her

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real mother?
What is that going to be like

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for Carla?
But the fact that she's so

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willing to be like, you need to
find who your mother is, I'm

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willing for, like, just go do it
is awesome.

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And it speaks to her character.
Yeah.

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For Carla.
I love her.

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Carla had some really good
scenes throughout this episode,

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really emotional and you know,
bringing that feeling of I'm

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here for you no matter what.
I know I'm your mother.

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And I think that that's the
strength of knowing that she is

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Ruby's mother.
But being there for Ruby to kind

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of uncover this mystery, that's
always been a part of her.

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I also think that we before we
go into the time window I want

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to talk about them retrieving
the VHS and Missus Flood who has

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been a bit of a mystery ever
since the special.

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Yeah, who is she?
I don't know, but she's not

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getting you tea, that's for
sure.

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Oh, Oh my God.
She's like, sorry lady, you can

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lay in that.
Bed.

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Is she ever going to get her cup
of tea?

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I don't think so.
I just OK, so let's talk about

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Misses Flood.
Since you brought it up.

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I have no freaking idea.
Like I'm just is she?

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Let's just throw theories out
here, right?

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Is she actually the doctor's
granddaughter?

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Could she be that there is
something that is said in this?

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So there's some really good
emotional beats in this episode

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that they do throw in.
It's Russell D Davies.

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His his finales are all about
spectacle and emotional weight.

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And I feel like this one didn't
hold back in that and they were

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able to do that.
So he talks to Kate Stewart in

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this episode about children
because they talk because Ruby

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has I think she mentions like
Susan, like your granddaughter.

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Could that be your
granddaughter?

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So that's when that sets the
whole thing into motion.

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Like is she Kate Stewart Messen
mentions a chrysalis theory,

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like a Caterpillar doesn't know
it's a butterfly until it's a

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butterfly.
Phoenix doesn't know it's a

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phoenix until it burns.
So that's with Susan, right?

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Missus Flood, I'm interested in
she says something of like, what

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is it like I've been waiting or
I've been like something like

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like I've hid myself away or
something like that.

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And the Doctor had recently said
when he was talking about

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regeneration that we can like
prevent death.

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But also hide who we are.
And it was an interesting

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parallel between what Misses
Flood says in this scene versus

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what he had just said.
So I don't know, is she Susan?

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Is she, I don't know what
harbinger for another God?

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I have no idea.
Yeah, I don't know either.

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But it does seem like the TARDIS
had some effect on her.

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You know, when we first meet
her, she's like, you can't leave

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this here in the middle of the
street.

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She doesn't know what it is.
She's annoyed that it's even

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there, but then by the end of
the special she knows exactly

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what it is and she tells Ruby to
go inside it.

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So does the TARDIS sort of
infect people around it or

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something like that?
Can whatever is in the TARDIS

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leak out and go into those who
are waiting near it?

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Well, I mean, it's called, it
has a being on it, so maybe.

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That nobody realized was there.
There is not to get to the final

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reveal too early, but Sue Tech
being who he is and thinking

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back into like the 1975 when he
first appeared and everything

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Suitek is a, is a part of being
called the O Sirens.

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And they're pretty much what
inspired the Egyptian gods.

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And Horus is like the brother to
Suitek and they've been kind of

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at odds and they're maybe I'm
just saying maybe Flood could be

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the harbinger for Horus and she
is acting like a activation type

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thing for Ruby because Ruby has
to Ruby has to connect to this,

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right?
And what does that mean?

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Why is she so close to the
Sundays is interesting to me.

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I don't know, that was a wild
theory, but I'm just putting it

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out there.
Hey, that's what this episode's

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about.
Let's just throw wild theory,

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see what sticks.
She keeps looking at the camera

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too.
So these 4th wall breaks are

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just like kind of concerning to
make.

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The doctor has done them.
Mrs. Flood has done them almost

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every time.
I don't know.

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So Mrs. Flood thread?
Kind of, Yeah, who knows?

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Maybe just the theme of this.
We're going too big.

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I think this, we're like music
and babies.

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The theme is just women.
It's just powerful women.

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Yeah.
All right.

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So don't trust them.
Don't trust the old lady down

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the street.
Well, not Harriet, right?

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Definitely not Harriet.
Mrs. Flood is on the list.

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We're, you know, we're still
wondering about Susan.

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I don't know, Cherry Sunday we
can trust.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.
She's amazing.

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She needs her cuppa.
Just give her a cup of tea.

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Oh, she wanted so simple.
All right, so to the time window

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we from timey wimey, time travel
explanation and sci-fi shows the

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Doctor can't go back to that
time because he was already

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there.
Paradox, end of universe, all of

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that stuff.
It's a typical Doctor Who thing.

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Sometimes they break it,
sometimes they don't.

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And then this particular one, he
does not break it.

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I find it really interesting
that whoever Ruby's mother is is

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shadowed and it seems like they
could manipulate the time window

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in some way.
We have seen the time window

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throughout the history of Doctor
Who, but not on this scale of it

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being like a manifestation, but
then affecting things in the

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present to bring something
through that powerful.

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I'm still not.
I don't have answers, right?

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We don't have answers because
how is Suitek able to attach?

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How did they get there?
Is it because the salt at the

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end of the universe that the
Doctor did in the wild?

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But Yonder we don't know yet.
We don't have any explanations

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with.
I think is interesting for a

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Doctor Who episode and the
Doctors like to not know, but I

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don't know.
Do you think that she's

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connected to Suitek, a different
Pantheon member, or just

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something?
Completely different.

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Do you think Ruby is her mother?
Like what are your thoughts on

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her mother?
So one of the things I'm

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thinking right now, so right, so
being in the time window, being

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back in 2004, they have to stay
in one spot.

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But the interesting thing is the
cloaked figure kind of skips

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them.
Like glitches it.

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Glitches, She can go past them.
So it does seem like Ruby's

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mother is not just a human.
There's something more about her

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where she has more power.
And the thing that I'm wondering

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now is if Ruby is actually the
key defeating SU Tech and her

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mother, whoever she is, knows
that she has to start her

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journey by leaving her at the
church on Ruby Rd.

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I hope so, right?
Like you, you would hope that

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that would be the reason why she
abandoned her child.

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Because we see her.
They're they're, they're all

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panicking, going, what is she
doing?

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What are you seeing?
And we have Ruby's mother going.

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She's crying.
Carla, Carla, because she left

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her, her child there.
She's devastated.

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That's what's happening right
now.

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So she's not leaving there
because she doesn't love her.

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She's leaving her there because
she knows she's the key to

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saving the world.
I'm just going to say Carla

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though, if you can see her
crying, why can't you see her

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face?
It's one of those things where,

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yeah, it's not so much about the
face, it's about the body going

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into this.
Yeah.

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It's crying shoulders, you know
what I mean?

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She could see her really racking
the tears.

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So that's my my current theory
is that it broke her heart to

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leave Ruby there, but she knows
it in the future.

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Ruby is the key to defeating
Suitek.

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That's like the best case
scenario, right?

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You would hope that the parent
that abandoned you had to do it

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for a good reason.
Not yet, right?

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And is upset about.
It and The thing is, is that

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don't forget she does that long
pointing at the TARDIS, Yeah,

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being like hello, hello.
Yeah, it's one of those things

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of like, was she warning the
Doctor of what's on the TARDIS?

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Because so we see the scan and
then we see the smoke lost

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monster come up.
I'm it's interesting.

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And also the Doctor said
something about how his memory

449
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,040
of this event keeps changing.
Time keeps changing.

450
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,280
One of my favorite lines in this
whole episode is how he talks

451
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,560
about memory is time and time is
memory, but what he says

452
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,560
something what is the memory of
a time machine It's scary.

453
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,120
I don't like the thing that OK,
I'm, you know, stakes aside,

454
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:47,720
with humans, I am terrified for
the TARDIS.

455
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,120
Do not touch that TARDIS.
Leave the TARDIS alone.

456
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:52,960
They're.
Going to have to do a cleansing

457
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,120
of the TARDIS something.
The TARDIS is like an infant.

458
00:22:56,120 --> 00:23:02,320
There's infinite space in it.
I I'm worried about the TARDIS

459
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,760
by the end of this.
Like what is that going to look

460
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,400
like?
How if they separate Suitek from

461
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,480
it, is that going to kill the
TARDIS in some way if the TARDIS

462
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,840
dies?
I don't what does this show.

463
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,240
How could they do that?
They can't.

464
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,800
Absolutely.
Not they're not allowed.

465
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,640
No, definitely not.
They can kill as well.

466
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,280
They can whatever, Get rid of as
many Doctors as they want.

467
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,160
You can't get rid of the TARDIS.
No, you can't.

468
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,040
I mean, unless, no, no.
What if he's just drives around

469
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,920
it and like a very modern police
car?

470
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,080
From now on, absolutely not.
What if.

471
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,760
This is just a theory, right?
What if something does happen

472
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,880
with a TARDIS and UNIT?
It being at UNIT is able to

473
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,160
repair it, but it takes time and
so he has to use Rogue's ship.

474
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,000
So maybe it's not as advanced as
the TARDIS, but it does have the

475
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,040
capabilities to do what the
TARDIS does to some extent, so

476
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,480
he knows where it is.
And then he can clean it up and

477
00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:59,920
then he can go find Rogue.
Right.

478
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,880
Exactly.
Maybe the doctor's next season

479
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,240
is just about finding Rogue.
Yeah.

480
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,000
I mean, OK, so sorry.
Back to to Ruby, though.

481
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:14,800
I had a thought of kind of the
way that Suitek.

482
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,280
There you go.
I was the letters roll scrambled

483
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,280
in my head.
Suitek is being portrayed and

484
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,600
kind of being like this bringer
of death and destruction.

485
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:28,600
And if we think of Ruby, Ruby is
joy and music and snow, right?

486
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,040
So it does seem like that could
be the perfect thing to fight

487
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,280
Zutek.
So she's the key.

488
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,080
I would, it would have to be
almost right, like Ruby has to

489
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,440
be in some way the key to this,
like is Ruby a pantheon member,

490
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,760
a God of some sort?
I know Harriet, the amazing

491
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,960
scene with the entrance of Zutek
and Harriet saying all of the

492
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,240
other gods, the trickster, the
toy maker, the maestro, the

493
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,800
daughter son, the mouse and all
that.

494
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,600
Is there one that is the
opposite of each one?

495
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,160
Like, you know, a lot of times
there's it's balance, right?

496
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,280
And so is there the good
versions of these pantheon

497
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,640
members or especially one that's
destruction?

498
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,320
Which one is life?
I guess you raw.

499
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,520
Oh cool.
I don't know, like I'm, I'm like

500
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,000
do not know about gods that way,
but which one would that be?

501
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,400
Yeah, our only studying of
Egyptian gods that we've done

502
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,760
recently is watching Moon
Knight.

503
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,960
I'm Percy Jackson.
Yeah.

504
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,680
So I think we have some
interesting stuff here,

505
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:38,360
especially the fact that by the
end of the episode Ruby is back

506
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,200
in this time window.
Yeah.

507
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,040
RIP to Colonel Chitosi.
Oh yeah, sad.

508
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,720
He tried.
We we only just met ye.

509
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,960
He didn't.
He did, and Ruby trying to find

510
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,040
him.
He didn't find him.

511
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,280
And ye and ye hath been dust to
death, he done dusted.

512
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,040
So the with the time window kind
of breaking or setting into

513
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,600
motions a lot of the stuff, I am
very curious if it was needed,

514
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,080
like the time window needed to
happen for Sue Tech to fully

515
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:12,080
bring himself to being one of
the biggest mysteries of this

516
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,480
that we still have answers to.
And hopefully we get him in the

517
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,640
next episode.
With Susan particularly, she

518
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,400
does seem like just a normal
person.

519
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,640
So who are these harbingers?
And also is Susan one of them?

520
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,840
Or is she just happened to be an
unlucky person that Sue Tech

521
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,080
chose because of the name Susan?
And it might be like it might be

522
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,880
a trap, right?
Everything, her name Susan

523
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,240
Triad, anagram for TARDIS
Everything is a trap to get the

524
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,240
Doctor to go there, showing him
her face and her having dreams

525
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,160
to get him to go to that place.
But then the question remains,

526
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,800
why?
Why Susan of all people, does

527
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,280
she know?
Does she not know?

528
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,960
Is she just possessed?
Yeah, well, we learned that

529
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,560
Susan has been around for quite
a while and she's been a giant

530
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,240
in the tech and software
industry.

531
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,840
She's kind of a genius.
She's also very benevolent.

532
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:10,680
So for SU Tech to choose someone
to kind of inhabit that has so

533
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,920
much reach makes sense, right?
He's able to possibly see into

534
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,600
the future of this world and
know that she is going to do a

535
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,240
worldwide press conference.
And at that moment is when he

536
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:29,520
can release his whatever into
into into our world to destroy

537
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,000
it.
And so it seems that he's chosen

538
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,320
her, you know, for a reason.
And I think the reason is, is

539
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,280
the reach.
I mean, can a God dance better

540
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,840
than this?
I don't know, Rome, if you want

541
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,760
to.
It's all about the elbows close

542
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,200
to the body and the.
Arms.

543
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,440
It's very Theresa May.
Yeah, like that's she's

544
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,480
literally done the exact same
dance and it's hilarious.

545
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,200
It's also very danger.
Will Robinson.

546
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,840
It's those arms for sure.
I love her.

547
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,720
I love, I love that this actor
not only got to play all these

548
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,640
characters, but really got such
a great character to play.

549
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,360
Terrifying.
Also, like, sympathetic in the

550
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,840
beginning, right when the Doctor
first meets Susan, we hear from

551
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,240
Mel that she's just a nice
person.

552
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,240
She says call me Sue, that's how
nice she is.

553
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,360
Not not missus triad, no.
Call me Sue.

554
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,400
Call me Sue.
So it's one of these things of

555
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,560
like, this whole episode was
playing with fans, right?

556
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,880
They knew that we would be doing
all these theories.

557
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,800
They knew that we would find the
anagram for TARDIS.

558
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,560
They even found in the
beginning.

559
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,480
As soon as they found it, I was
like, that's not right.

560
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,760
There's no way that they tell us
this revealed this early and for

561
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,680
Sue to be somebody that seems so
innocent.

562
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,640
Going back to Kate's, Kate
Stewart's theory of the

563
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,920
chrysalis theory, was she always
this and she just didn't know?

564
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,440
Because again, a Caterpillar
doesn't know it's a butterfly

565
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,480
until it's a butterfly.
So that's what brings me back to

566
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,760
was it always plan?
Was it a coincidence?

567
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Reach.
It's all about social media,

568
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,640
right?
Hashtags.

569
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,360
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm very
interested to get these theories

570
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,560
and get these like loose ends
tied up.

571
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,200
And also, what would it mean for
the rest of the show and the

572
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,600
series going forward?
Yeah, Well, you know, I think

573
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,880
there's something to be said
about gods just using humans as

574
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,160
their toys, as their playthings.
And so unfortunately for Susan

575
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,760
SU, Tech did that to her right
and is using her, and she

576
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,800
doesn't understand what's going
on because she's having these

577
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,520
dreams, but we all know they're
not actually dreams.

578
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,320
She's appearing in other worlds
and following the Doctor around.

579
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,160
I guess the question is though,
is why would Sue Tech want to

580
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,240
infiltrate all of the Doctor's
adventures in that way?

581
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,240
Well, I mean, so thinking back
into the 4th Doctor with Sarah

582
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,720
Jane Smith, they defeated Sue
Tech by putting him in this like

583
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,520
time corridor and like putting
it far into the future to where

584
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,280
he'll like die there.
So like trapped in there?

585
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,880
Not far enough.
And like, there's not far

586
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,000
enough.
And this is where like, so as a

587
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,160
Doctor Who fan, I haven't
consumed a lot of the extended

588
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,400
universe stuff.
I know there's audio dramas, I

589
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,960
know there's comics, I know
there's books.

590
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,360
I haven't really consumed those.
I've whisperings and kind of

591
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,360
seen some stuff.
And I'm curious if something in

592
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,160
there would answer on how Suitek
is able to do this and why he's

593
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,280
there.
Hopefully we get those answers.

594
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,320
But I do love the thought of
Russell T Davies being like,

595
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,560
this is season one, this is good
for new viewers.

596
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,680
And then they get a villain from
like 50 years ago and it's like,

597
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,760
good luck.
Right.

598
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,480
And, and my question is, and
looking at the sort of, I feel

599
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,360
like there's three
representatives of Suitek in

600
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,600
this episode, right?
There's Harriet, who is the

601
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,920
Harbinger.
There's Susan, who is another,

602
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,960
you know, Scullion figure.
And then there's the large dog

603
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,960
beast that's living on the
TARDIS, right?

604
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,120
So is that actually Suitek?
Yeah, I would think because so

605
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,320
Suitek as a whole has these
abilities of like psychic

606
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,920
possession and stuff.
So that's why I'm thinking I

607
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,600
don't know if Sue is a willing
candidate in this and she's just

608
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,200
now possessed and she's the
main, like conduit for Suitek.

609
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,400
Like, does Suitek have to stay
on the TARDIS to channel his

610
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,400
powers?
You know what I mean?

611
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,720
So that's why I'm thinking maybe
the separation between them is

612
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,200
going to.
I don't know.

613
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,400
Yeah, he's, it's like he's using
the TARDIS as a conduit of his

614
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,640
energy.
Like that is what is able to

615
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,000
make him bring Susan through
those adventures and transport

616
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,600
her there.
If he's stuck in this time

617
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,680
corridor, he needs something
that can travel through time,

618
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,040
right?
Which is the TARDIS?

619
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,960
Right.
And that's how Susan has been

620
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,360
following them, right?
It's just connected.

621
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,600
To the TARDIS, I think Susan
Triad the human is just

622
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,760
unfortunately a pawn in all of
Suitec.

623
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,440
'S I think so too.
Evil doings?

624
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,440
I think so too.
I hope so, because that's a very

625
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,280
Doctor Who thing, right?
It's an innocent person being

626
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,600
put into these situations.
That is heartbreaking.

627
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:12,920
And we also see, you know, that
Mel, I guess part of her job

628
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,400
with UNIT is to get some sort
of, you know, tissue specimen

629
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,080
specimen from Sue every day to
make sure she's still human.

630
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,960
Daily, daily.
She's always shaking her hand.

631
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,280
I love Mel.
Being undercover, Oh yeah,

632
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,360
Because she is like the nicest
and most capable person to do

633
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,120
that and you would never suspect
it and she's so good at.

634
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,840
It she's on the media team.
Yeah, OK.

635
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,920
She's on the media team.
Of course.

636
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,440
She just walked into places.
She's fine.

637
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,200
I also love her taking off on
her Vespa to bring the sample to

638
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,360
unit.
You know, we need more, Mel.

639
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,840
We do.
We need more Mel.

640
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,320
We need more.
I think she came up I think in

641
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,640
the Doctor Who like book line.
I think there is recently a Mel

642
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,400
book that came out.
I might want to read that.

643
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,880
You everyone just go.
If you haven't just Google Mel

644
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,640
when Mel was actually on the
show.

645
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:03,520
The the the amazing curly red
hair.

646
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,360
It's just beautiful.
I she is a better character now.

647
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,600
Like, she was great then.
She's a better character now

648
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,920
because like in when she was in
the show, it's a lot of running

649
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,680
and screaming.
It's like there's like, I'm glad

650
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,560
she's able to like, do
something.

651
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,560
Giving the companions depth here
in 2024.

652
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,880
So let's talk about the reveal
of Suitek I.

653
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,600
Holy crap.
So Gabriel Wolf voices Suitek,

654
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,600
who originally voiced Suitek,
who has also voiced the beast,

655
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,160
which is a, is let's just say
it's Satan, right?

656
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,360
And so this is a, a, a villain
or a, a creature that the doctor

657
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,040
has encountered.
So he's been able to voice these

658
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,600
like very huge characters, these
demonic things.

659
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,680
Perfect voice for it.
When Carla in the time window

660
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,240
part had said it's the beast, I
was like, there's no fucking way

661
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,360
is it the beast?
It's not, but I'd like to call

662
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,400
back to it because he does voice
that character.

663
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:05,600
I thought it was so well done
having Harriet just list all of

664
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,960
the things that Suitek is the
destroyer and all of that

665
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,040
terrifying everything like dims
down.

666
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,560
You have Ruby in the time
window, not knowing what's going

667
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,320
to happen.
It goes back to 2004.

668
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,600
The doctor didn't tell her what
to do, which is like, what is

669
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,960
Ruby supposed to do?
She's just in that time window

670
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,159
now.
Like hi, what am I supposed to

671
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:27,320
do?
Do I move now?

672
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,239
Can I not move?
But the reveal of Susan Triad

673
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,199
having that like skull
prosthetic and that wispy gross

674
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,480
looking hair.
Terrifying.

675
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,480
I think that they did a really
good job right.

676
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,920
So in in this these final
moments, we're in two different

677
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,840
places.
We're at UNIT and we're in the

678
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,520
studios or, or wherever that is.
And we're watching mayhem in

679
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,440
both places.
And it's kind of like Kate's

680
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,360
saying to the doctor, doctor,
you need to get here.

681
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,280
And the doctor's like, no,
something's happening here as

682
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,520
well.
And both of them are kind of

683
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,560
spouting these words.
We're watching the words on the

684
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,560
prompter and it's really just
amping up the tension for that

685
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,360
reveal of the skull.
It's so frantic and it builds to

686
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,120
that tension having Marigold
bring that score.

687
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,000
I do want to say any any
listeners that might have

688
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,120
catched it in this particular
moment, specifically when Ruby

689
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,680
goes into the time window, it
sounded like the score for the

690
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:30,880
master and I don't know if
that's purposeful or maybe just

691
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,960
a new rendition of it, but I
thought it was really

692
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,880
interesting.
That's kind of what I thought

693
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,320
immediately when I heard it.
And I was like, but they but

694
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,880
Russell T Davies said we weren't
doing the master.

695
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,000
I don't believe him one second
anymore for anything because

696
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,480
he's been lying this whole time.
So is Susan Flood the master?

697
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:48,720
Is that Missy?
I don't know.

698
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:54,960
It sounds this feels very much
like the what is it Mephisto

699
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,600
days of Marvel.
Yeah, but we actually have like

700
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,160
confirmation like the Mephisto
and Doctor Who is Sue Tech and

701
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:09,160
he is here or they are here.
So the question I have is, in

702
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:14,040
all this mayhem, why does the
doctor say that Ruby needs to go

703
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,880
back to the time?
Window right again, this is part

704
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,880
one right?
And so we're left with so many

705
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,040
questions.
Yeah, we got the villain reveal

706
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,400
of who's been waiting.
Why?

707
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,960
What does it have to do with
Ruby?

708
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,680
Why is she in the time window
again?

709
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,160
Why did it activate by itself
after it's seeming like kind of

710
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,600
destroyed itself?
It's a lot of loose.

711
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,720
Threads here.
OK, so crazy cuckoo theory.

712
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,280
What if Ruby's mother is Amy
Pond?

713
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,560
No.
And she had to give up another

714
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,000
one of her children to save the
world.

715
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,560
I mean, I love the Ponds.
I love them.

716
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,520
They're, they're gone.
The angels took them.

717
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,560
I could not fathom Russell T
Davies being like, you know what

718
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,640
would be good?
Having Amy lose another child.

719
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,080
That's why she was crying.
And having another River Song

720
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,080
moment, there has been, I have
seen people say like is Ruby's

721
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,000
mother River Song?
Is she connected?

722
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,360
I was thinking that too.
I mean, I would love Riversong

723
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,480
to show up again.
I don't know how I feel about

724
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,400
that.
Not that she couldn't have kids,

725
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,240
right?
Like, Riversong is the doctor's

726
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:29,640
wife, so that would technically
make Ruby a child of the doctor.

727
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,680
I don't know.
Well, and there's that whole

728
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,280
conversation, though, in this
episode with the doctor of

729
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,400
going, well, if you have a
grandchild, that means you have

730
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,600
children.
Yeah.

731
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,920
But then there's that whole
thing of like, a weird

732
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,400
conversation of him saying,
well, not yet.

733
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,360
And so he explains that I took
it as like, either him skirting

734
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,880
around talking about kids and
all of that because it's like a

735
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,640
touchy subject for him or
because he's a Time Lord.

736
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,000
They're technically not born yet
in their, like, 21st century or

737
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,840
whatever, but he still has a
granddaughter because he brought

738
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,680
her to this time.
So like his kids aren't there

739
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,840
yet that his granddaughter is?
I don't.

740
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,720
Know like River Song goes
backwards while they go forward,

741
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,840
so she's already had the kids.
Yeah, we've seen the beginning

742
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,800
and the end of River Song.
It's all the in between stuff

743
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,680
that we haven't seen so.
River Song.

744
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,800
This whole thing was about
music.

745
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,040
I mean, that's probably the more
probable theory when you put it

746
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,120
that way.
Right.

747
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:35,040
I mean, I'm sorry, I just keep
seeing that video of the actors,

748
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,120
obviously, but it's, isn't it
like River, they're like on a

749
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,720
panel and she's like very, she's
whispering into Jodi's ear like

750
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,880
very sexily or something.
Have you seen that?

751
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,040
So that just makes me think that
she's having babies.

752
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,840
Maybe.
Yeah, unfortunately for the Pond

753
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,160
line of children, they're just
destined to always have to give

754
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,240
up their daughter.
Let's not do that to the pawns.

755
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:03,520
They've had enough.
They got taken by the angels and

756
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,400
all of their life potential is
gone.

757
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,760
So let's not bring them back.
Of all the companions, don't do

758
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,400
that to them.
Where's Karen been these days?

759
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,800
Hello.
She's been on the Doctor Who

760
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,720
set.
That is true.

761
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,280
That is true.
All right.

762
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:24,320
So loose threads, the only ones
that we have going forward, Who

763
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,520
is Ruby Sunday's mom?
Why and how Suitek.

764
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,160
That's the that's literally what
I wrote down.

765
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:36,000
Why and how Suitek and how it
all connects together.

766
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,200
Missus Flood.
Hopefully we'll find out.

767
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,760
Those are the questions we
really have for the last

768
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,920
episode.
And a part of me is thinking we

769
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,200
might not get any answer.
I hope we do.

770
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,120
I think that we're going to see
who's under the hood, right?

771
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,040
Because that's kind of one of
the final moments that we're

772
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,160
left with is the hooded figure
coming towards Ruby.

773
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,400
And of course, it goes to be
continued.

774
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,480
So I'm thinking that we will get
that answer.

775
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,640
And I feel like a lot of times
when a penultimate episode ends

776
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,480
in a frenzy like this, we're
going to have a very calm

777
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,280
flashback to start this next
episode.

778
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,720
Yeah, it typically either does
like a flashback with something

779
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:18,720
we need to know for the episode,
or it picks up right where it

780
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,400
stops.
Right as Sue was going straight

781
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,760
for the Doctor, she was about to
try to turn him to dust.

782
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,920
There is a scene.
The only thing that I think

783
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,920
we've seen from the finale in
the media that has come out is

784
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:34,000
it looks like a bunch of sand is
engulfing the city.

785
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,760
And that makes me think, is it
like sand or is it like a dead

786
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,760
people?
No, like, that's not good.

787
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,040
No, I'm terrified.
Like the stakes are very high.

788
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,360
Like Suitek and especially this
incarnation of Suitek who by the

789
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,320
way, the visual effects people
need to be praised for this

790
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,520
episode.
Everything looked amazing from

791
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,440
the practical to the special.
Fantastic zoo tech look cool.

792
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,600
Yeah, zoo tech look cool.
I love the practical makeup on

793
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,360
Susan and Harriet.
That was very cool.

794
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,560
Even the vlinks looks awesome.
Yeah, I love the vlinks.

795
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,360
Da da da doing some typing.
Love them.

796
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,600
Oh.
OK, let us know your thoughts.

797
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:19,960
What did you love?
What did you?

798
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,760
Oh my God.
I just thought of something.

799
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,680
Sorry, end of episode.
This is how these go.

800
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,320
This is a review slash reaction,
right?

801
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,080
There was a very specific moment
with Harriet.

802
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,240
I don't know if you caught it.
And the only reason why I

803
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:36,720
thought about it is because I
don't know the conversion rates

804
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,080
for measurement.
OK.

805
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:45,000
What I do know is that she said
the CCTV footage was 66 yards,

806
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:53,760
not yards meters away from where
Ruby was left in 73 yards, which

807
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,680
when Ruby meets with Kate
Stewart, she talks about all the

808
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,960
distances in the conversion
rates. 66 meters is 73 yards.

809
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,240
The only callback we've gotten
to 73 yards because 73 yards

810
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:12,120
events have are kind of erased.
So how would they come back?

811
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,080
I don't know if it was just like
a callback to the episode or it

812
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,280
means something.
I don't know.

813
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:19,480
I don't know, but that's a good,
good looking out.

814
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,600
Just wanted to put that out
there.

815
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,320
I also want to just think about
sort of Suitex army of skull

816
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,080
heads.
Like I feel like he can make

817
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,080
them pop up everywhere.
I think that there are people

818
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,360
that are going to exist.
Sleeper agents.

819
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,640
Very much like Prime Sentinel.
You know what I mean?

820
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,000
Like that type of thing where it
should be like bam bam skull

821
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,800
heads skull heads.
He can possess, yeah.

822
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,760
I guess we'll see if he does
create.

823
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,360
I mean, his whole thing, he
wants to destroy everything.

824
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,640
He wants to destroy life.
He wants to take away the the

825
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,360
the burden of choice, which is
death.

826
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,560
So he's scary.
He's a very paranoid guy, so

827
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,480
it's not good.
It's not good at all.

828
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,240
Poor season.
Oh my God.

829
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,880
So next week finale?
Oof, yes, we'll see you then.

830
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,440
So many questions, hopefully
they'll be answered.

831
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:17,800
Goodbye, bye.
The.