Doctor Who Ep8 'Empire of Death' Review & Reaction + Season Awards

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Hello and welcome to the last
ride in the TARDIS for a bite

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of, as always, your harbingers
on this podcast, Noah and Derek.

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Derek is just waving for those
of you that can actually watch

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this episode.
So today we are finally digging

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into the finale of Doctor Who
season one season 14.

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Whichever one you want to call
it, it's a finale that I think

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is going to be talked about for
a while.

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Russell T Davies 2 second go
around for Doctor Who.

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So oh man, lots of thoughts Yes
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Spoiler alert, if you have not

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watched this episode, you're
being alerted for spoilers.

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Major spoilers.
But let us officially take a

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bite of the season finale of
Doctor Who.

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Empire of Death.
Written by Russell T Davies and

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directed by Jamie Donohue.
Soo Tech and his Harbingers

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release the dust of death upon
the universe, disintegrating

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life on all planets.
The Doctor, Ruby, and Mel escape

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in the TARDIS and must count on
memories of the past to save the

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future.
Ruby continues to unveil the

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identity of her birth mother and
must look to a clue from another

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time for the answer.
That's the episode.

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So going into the finale, I know
it's hard to judge the finale

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because the episode prior The
Legend of Ruby Sunday was so

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much, you know, so much laid on
what the finale brought, right?

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So seeing the whole series as a
whole and your first full Doctor

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Who sees and watch through which
yay, I I converted him finally.

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What did you feel?
I I think my feelings are sort

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of all over the place.
I very much loved the

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characters, love the Doctor,
love Ruby Sunday, love her

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mother and and everyone.
I think I'm trying to piece

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together like how all these
episodes paint a picture and

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tell a story, and I think maybe
I'm not seeing it because a lot

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of the questions and theories
that we've had have not been

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answered or told are untrue in
this season of the show.

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So overall, I thought it was a
lot of fun, but trying to figure

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out the full picture of what
this doctor is.

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I'm still waiting with the big
question mark.

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Yeah, I really liked it.
I think, you know, it had all

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the makings of like a Doctor Who
season.

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It was rather short, which
that's like the biggest knock

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off I can give this season as a
whole.

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I liked the Doctor and Ruby as
characters.

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I think I still need to see them
more together.

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That was the detriment to having
such a short season and filming

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schedules and everything.
But these two episodes, I

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actually really liked The Legend
of Ruby Sunday, the way this

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episode, the finale picks up, I
wish the first like maybe 5

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minutes were the cliffhanger for
the last episode.

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So once everybody gets dusted, I
think once we see Kate Stewart

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get dusted and Cherry and this
is Flood and all that, I think

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that would have been a great
cliffhanger for the last episode

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leading into what we get for the
finale.

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Because this was about 10 extra
minutes then most of the other

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episodes.
So that was my one thing.

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I was like, oh, that would have
been cool as like a lead in to

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the finale.
As a finale as a whole.

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I think it gave us things.
They were playing with us,

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right, the whole season.
Russell T Davies likes to do

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this.
And it was like, we know that

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you're going to give these
things significance.

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What happens if it's not that?
So it wasn't necessarily

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misdirect, but it was like, what
if it was this instead of this?

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But before we get to the end of
it, and I'm sure we both have

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different opinions or we liked
it, didn't like it, I'm excited

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to talk about.
We have not talked about this

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really since we watched it on
purpose.

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So real time working this out.
Yeah, I do want to just comment

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on one thing that you said that
I really strongly agree with, is

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that because they were like
these very kind of adventurous

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episodes where like one of them
was always in some insane amount

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of danger.
We didn't get to say Ruby and

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the Doctor form that
relationship.

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Apparently that happened off
screen where they kind of fell

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in love with each other in the
way that the Doctor and his

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companions do.
So I I agree, I wish there was

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more screen time of them
together, really kind of getting

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to know each other a little
more.

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Yeah, I, I mean, the whole
season has this big question,

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Who is Ruby Sunday?
So, you know, we got to know her

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quite a bit.
And we know this doctor, right?

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And I don't want to say
completely like, I don't believe

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it.
Like I believe that they love

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each other and they're besties.
And, you know, we all have those

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friends where it's like you meet
them and immediately you're

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like, this person's my best
friend.

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We get that.
But I feel like for a show, and

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especially with how the show
usually is, I want to be able to

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like, know these characters.
So that way whenever some of

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these emotional moments happen,
it's like, yeah, I feel it

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because I'm a person and I have
empathy and I I can put myself

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in those shoes.
But I really want to feel it

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because I know these characters.
I'm invested, but emotionally

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invested.
I'm not sure I'm 100% yet with

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these two together as a unit.
Yeah, as a character, I love

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that Bright.
I always want the Doctor and

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companion to be OK and to be the
best they can.

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But you know, that's like my
major tick for this whole

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season.
I want to know, I mean, this is

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going to sound silly, but I want
to know more about Ruby's band,

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right?
We met her in a band, She plays

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keyboard.
We never got to see any of those

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skills pop out of her.
And I think that's kind of a

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missed opportunity as well, that
she's not only is she this

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orphan, but she's a musician.
Yeah, one of my favorite scenes

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in this whole season was when
she got to sing on the rooftop

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and like her actually playing
and her being able to sing.

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I love that scene.
I think it's beautiful.

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And it's cool to see these
companions not just be a

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companion with the Doctor, but
they have these talents and

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these things that they can bring
outside of that, One of my

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favorite scenes.
I I love that scene, but I

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agree.
So let's talk about Suitek,

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right?
Let's talk about the beginning

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of this finale.
And so everybody gets snapped,

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dusted, Avengers level end game
type stuff.

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We get the revelation that
Suitek has been on the TARDIS.

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We talked about this, we try to
theorize, everybody did.

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Suitek has been on the TARDIS
since the Pyramids of Mars.

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So 50 ish years just riding,
riding the TARDIS and planting

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Susan's everywhere he landed.
I think conceptually and as a

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plot, fantastic.
I think that is insane.

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And he was the one that waited.
He planted all of these, I guess

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you would call them dust bombs
essentially, but didn't even

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just, you know, create this
person created a full-fledged

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person that has family's history
and is a a different type of

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person everywhere they go.
I think it's great in this

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finale.
I think the Ruby stuff worked

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for me.
The SU tech stuff, I was a

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little underwhelmed and I don't,
I'm obviously we're not going to

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talk so much about things we
didn't like because I think

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there's a lot we did.
Like I just wanted a little more

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like Suitek was just on the
TARDIS the whole time, visually

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amazing.
I just wanted a little more from

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him.
Yeah, I I was interested in

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Suitek as a being in the sense
that it seemed that Suitek

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himself didn't have a lot of
power, right?

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It felt like, why wasn't he the
one delivering the dust?

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He had all these harbingers do
it.

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And then even in those final
moments where like Ruby and the

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Doctor are there, he doesn't do
anything to stop them.

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Why can't he kill them?
Well, I think I think it's one

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of those things where it's like
all of that is his power.

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He's just not literally the one
like putting his hand out.

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So it's like, you know, he's
destroying all life throughout

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all of time, everywhere the the
Doctor is.

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I think without and without
fully seeing him do that, it's

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it's easy to like separate him
from that power.

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But I would say that is his
power.

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I just he was just on the TARDIS
all the time.

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You know, I just like get off of
it like you already have it.

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You Harvard your hazard.
Get off of the TARDIS.

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He's just real creaky.
He's just been on it for

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decades, so that's all he knows
is just to be hugging the TARDIS

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the entire time.
One of my favorite things since

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that is everybody was going back
and thinking about things the

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TARDIS has done or situations
and was like Suitec was there

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when it happened.
Suitek was there when Amy and

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Rory made River Song.
Suitek was there in the 50th

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anniversary when all of those
Tardises were there.

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So I just love the thought of
all of these Suiteks just

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looking at each other like.
As a long time fan of Doctor

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Who, how do you feel about these
sort of things that you thought

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were defeated but were actually
are now actually coming back as

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a villain?
I think it's fine.

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I think it's smart to do it with
Classic Who because I don't have

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as much of A connection with
Classic Who.

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Then I do since 2005 because
that's what I really watched.

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I remember Classic Who and bits
and pieces and when stuff like

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this happens, I'm like OK, let
me go re watch that.

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I think it's fine.
I think it's cool to bring them

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back and show them in a new
light because the technology is

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different.
They can do so many different

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things.
Like Suitek looks cooler now

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than he did that.
Like the person in the Suitek

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cultural appropriation outfit
couldn't hardly move.

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So that's why he was like
sitting there for like 90

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minutes in that episode.
So I, I think it's cool.

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I I like when they do that.
Yeah, I mean, as someone who

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isn't as familiar, I thought it
was kind of a cool thing, a

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retro kind of throwback, but
updated, completely unexpected,

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right?
I think that we were given the

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missus flood thing throughout
the season to wonder about, and

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it wasn't her as the main bad in
this at all.

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And so to have Suitec appear, it
was definitely a bit of a bait

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and switch.
And like you said before this,

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that kind of seemed like a
little bit of a theme, a lot of

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the things that were happening
in this season.

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Yeah.
So one of the things that I

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thought was interesting, right.
So I love that it's the Doctor,

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Ruby ML kind of floating in
space, watching all of the Suns

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and planets turn to dust, having
the three of them there in this

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memory of a TARDIS, which is
just basically like a Easter egg

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filled TARDIS, which is so fine.
What seeing all the different

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accessories, all the different
screwdrivers and things like

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that.
But the Doctor has this moment

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where he's putting the blame on
this, on himself and he kind of

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has a little bit of a breakdown.
It's like 3 people in a small

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room with one of them having a
breakdown.

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It's a lot happening, a lot of
energy.

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I kind of felt like that was a
bit of a jump for him.

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You know, he was like, because I
was having fun, I ended up

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destroying all these worlds.
But I was like, Doctor, keep it

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together, bro.
Like you need to write this if

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you really think it's a wrong.
I didn't think he needed to take

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the blame so much.
It's the Doctor though, like I

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mean, he you know, he got upset
when he they were going to kill

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the boogie man, right?
And space babies.

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He gets upset at the end of this
when he knows that he is going

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Suitek is going to win because
he has to become what Suitek is

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by killing Suitek, which I will
say like Doctor, like he

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literally killed all life in the
universe.

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So like, this is OK, but it is
very much in character for the

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Doctor to feel like because I
was just having fun and I didn't

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know.
I should have known.

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I brought all of this death and
all of this stuff to everybody

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in all the space and time.
So like, I get the character

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reason of like this is my fault,
but being the Doctor, he picks

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himself up when he needs to.
But I love those small moments.

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Like, I think he does need those
moments to show that the Doctor

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truly does care.
Who else is there to blame?

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He's the one that stole the
TARDIS originally.

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He's the one that was going
everywhere.

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And I did like the line of.
I was just having fun.

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Yeah, I do think the Doctor and
I have different definitions of

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fun.
A lot of his fun from what I

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have seen is life or death
situations.

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I would love an episode of the
Doctor and Ruby just going to

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some sort of beach planet and
getting like in a volleyball

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tournament.
You know, every time they do try

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to do that, they try to go to
resorts, they try to go to

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paradise planets.
It's never.

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OK, there's always something bad
lurking, isn't there?

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Yeah, I remember a long time ago
people were like, does the

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TARDIS or the Doctor know that
something bad is happening there

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and he's going there to try to
help?

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It's one of those theories of
like, because every single place

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he goes and most of the time the
adventures that are just mundane

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and boring, we hear about, we
don't see.

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So it's one of those things if
like in a week, three of the

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adventures are life or death,
but most of them are fine.

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So it's like that's the only
thing we're allowed to see.

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But picture this Chuti Gatwa in
full Top Gun volleyball moment.

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Yeah, right.
Great.

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Come on.
Yeah, I mean, we saw Barbie.

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We, we need it.
Yeah, we need it.

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Season 2.
Come on.

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So with everybody dusted,
everybody in the memory TARDIS,

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the last beings that are there,
which I thought was really cool

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because the memory TARDIS is
Tales of the TARDIS.

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This is a TARDIS or a kind of
like special where it has past

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doctors and past companions.
They're in this TARDIS and they

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reminisce about their
adventures.

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And now it's Canon.
Now it's like a thing that

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happens and I love that.
It was like still kind of bigger

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on the inside, but not quite as
big.

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So it was just like just enough.
I can't even begin to name off

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all the Easter eggs, all of the
things from past memories of the

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Time Lord, but just a few that I
wanted to point out.

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So who won?
We got to see the license plate

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for Bessie, the, the, the
amazing automobile for the

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doctor.
Mel, she got to see her doctor's

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outfit.
She was clutching the question

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mark jumper.
It was really sweet.

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I love that moment for Mel
because Sarah Jane, they

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actually play.
Sarah Jane had sadly passed away

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and we did get to see her for
the periods of Pyramids of Mars,

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but it was nice to see an older
companion be there and there.

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One thing that I will point out
is that 13's, their TARDIS, like

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they had these like things.
It was the fireplace.

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Yeah.
Or I, I just really loved it.

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I loved that TARDIS.
It did give me anxiety because

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there's so much everywhere, but
it was amazing.

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And also the fact that the
moment that they stepped into

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it, things were like blowing up
and going on fire.

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It was, it was a lot of it was
hectic moments and you're so

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distracted by what they need to
do to save themselves.

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But at the same time trying to
pick out all those little

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details.
I'm sure like if you really just

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stop and paused it you'd be able
to find like 100 other Easter

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eggs.
Oh, there's videos, I'm sure

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there's probably like a Reddit
post of like every single type

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of thing.
Go find those.

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Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they're out
there.

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I.
Love to see it, yeah.

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So we have everything destroyed,
Suitec 1 essentially, and some

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time has passed and we only know
that because we're told that and

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the Doctor appears on this
planet and meets the kind woman.

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And we knew that there was this
woman called the kind woman from

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the cast list from Russell T
Davies.

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Teasing the episode, he said
there is a kind woman.

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I was very interested to see
what this character meant.

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And I really think we need
moments like this because

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everything gets destroyed so
quickly, and we need these

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moments to kind of sit with that
destruction because it's one

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thing for everything to get
destroyed and then the solution

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right away, What's the point?
Like, where are the stakes in

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that?
But for him to go to this planet

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and talk to this woman and to
see that how this, like death

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works is that it can also work
backwards.

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Kill your children so that way
you die twice is so upsetting.

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I'm not going to lie.
Got a little teary?

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Yeah, I think that the
performance by Sean Clifford,

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who you should know as Claire
from Fleabag, you haven't

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watched Fleabag.
Go watch Fleabag.

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It's incredible.
She got her hair back.

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She got her hair.
Back.

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She doesn't have that that
severe French cut that she got

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in Season 2, but she does a
really great job of bringing

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this character to life who we're
only really meeting for these

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few minutes.
This episode felt like two

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different halves or two
different questions being

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answered, right?
The first question felt like,

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how are we going to destroy
Suitec?

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The second question is, who is
Ruby's mother, right?

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So in this first one, it feels
like kindness is a message here,

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right?
In that even if a stranger is

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approaching you for help, if you
can look into their eyes and see

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kindness, then you should reach
out and help them, right?

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And so even with the the small
offering of a metal spoon, that

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helps to save the universe.
Because metal is a rarity.

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Yes.
But he he says something.

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She says something like metal is
very precious.

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And he says I don't think
anything's precious anymore.

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And I was like, when everything
is dying, nothing is precious

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anymore.
It doesn't matter.

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Yeah, I that was like, woof.
The the moment that really got

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me was when she was like, I
think my, my child died and I

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forgot.
That's so upsetting.

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You know, I will say like, no
matter what you feel about REL

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CT Davies as like a story long
or season long writer, he really

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shines in moments that are so
grounded.

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This one and the coffee, the
cafe scene, which we'll get to

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later were fantastic.
They're really big standout

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scenes for me because, again, I
feel like we need these scenes

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to really sit with this
destruction and what does it

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mean?
And the fact that it's not only

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killing people, but it's killing
facts, it's killing memories, It

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slowly gets to you, and then you
wither away into nothing.

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That's terrifying.
Yeah, it's, it's almost as if

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it's some sort of dementia,
right, Where you're existing,

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but you don't remember anything
around you.

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And so you're trying to piece
your life together, but those

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pieces aren't even there.
Yeah.

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So this scene, although it, it
felt like, where is it coming

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from?
I think that it did its job,

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yeah.
He needed a spoon to save the

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universe.
He sure did.

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Just a little piece of metal.
I love it.

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I this is so Doctor Who, right?
And I'm so curious.

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I mean, I guess I can ask this
to you, but you know, just kind

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of out there on the Internet for
somebody that's like not used to

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Doctor Who and no sci-fi as like
the Star Wars thing, right?

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It's like typically the thing to
defeat is like an action or like

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a weapon or something like that.
And in Doctor Who, a lot of

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times it's like such a simple
ordinary thing or just like

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talking through the solution.
So how did you feel about like a

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spoon?
Because it needed the the screen

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that they have needed something
real to power it.

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And So what did you feel about
that?

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What did you feel about like
using the whistle?

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Well, first I want to say that I
loved that screen.

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I thought that was so cool.
When he used the screwdriver to

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pop it out of the old boob tube.
I thought that was like, you

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know, retro iPad.
It was very cool.

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I liked it a lot.
I like that the thought of there

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are simple solutions to things
to save us, right?

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And so I think that was really
illustrated here.

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I think for me, the talking,
that's where I get lost

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sometimes he's talking and I
don't, I'm like, what is he

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getting AT?
And a, a big part of Doctor Who

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is that he knows what he's
talking about, but nobody else

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knows what he's talking about.
And so he's just like saying a

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lot of things and you're
watching him run around and I'm

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going, I don't know what's
happening.

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So that part I find confusing.
Most of the time they don't

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either.
Like the companions a lot of

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times, like one of my favorite
ones, especially Donna Noble,

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did it a lot.
And she's like, what?

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Like, yeah.
Can you just like, say it?

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Normally it's like, that is the
thing, right, of Doctor Who is

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very like, frantic.
And it's very like I'm getting

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all these things out because I'm
working it out in real time.

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Yeah.
I mean, I think that's that's

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reasonable.
That's like the nature of the

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show.
Yeah, it like even like that one

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scene before when they first got
into the memory TARDIS and it's

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blowing up.
And he's like, wrap this around

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there, pull that lever, do this,
do that.

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It's like what is happening?
Yeah, you know.

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But he knows.
But the companions and us as the

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audience, we have no idea.
Just do what he says, yeah?

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So I'm always just kind of like
hanging on and waiting to see

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what is actually going to
happen.

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Right, right.
I'm like, oh, OK, OK, OK, you.

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Have to wait for it to come to
fruition so one of the things

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that Ruby's mystery is very
integral to this right We find

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out that the reason why the
doctor Mel just kind of cuz

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she's there and Ruby haven't
been killed is because the

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mystery of her mother has
perplexed everybody like the God

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of death this being that can
destroy everything doesn't know

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the answer to this question.
We are Suitek.

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Suitek is US.
Basically, he's watching Doctor

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Who and he's trying to figure it
out.

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And he really wants to know
because he's been riding on this

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TARDIS this whole time.
And he's like, I can't, I can't

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see this.
I can't, I can't understand

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this.
And so one of the things is they

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feel like the key to this is to
find out who her mother is.

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This is where like so 73 yards
gets mentioned. 73 yards as an

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episode kind of plays a role in
this, right?

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We know who the the Prime
Minister is, right?

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We know who William is.
We know the 73 yards.

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We find out that SU Tech used
that 73 yards perception filter

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of the TARDIS to make the Susans
to change the reality around it.

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Now with the episode of seven or
three yards, I think that story

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never, never happened.
Meaning like her loop closed.

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Where the doctor went, I don't
know, but it was like her thing.

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But he defeats or he does the
stuff with the Prime Minister in

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the current timeline because he
knows this.

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He already knows what's going to
happen.

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But I did think it was
interesting that she still

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retains some of those memories
of 73 yards.

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And I'm not sure what
significance that holds, but it

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was interesting that he was
like, how did you know it was 73

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yards?
And she's like, I don't know.

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Yeah, I have no idea.
I.

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You know what, Doctor?
Don't question that.

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She's good at math.
How about that?

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He's like, how'd you know that?
She's like, I don't know.

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She doesn't know math.
She's a she's a musician.

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She doesn't do math.
No, she was left at the church.

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I don't know math.
It was ridiculous, but I, I

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think it's interesting in trying
to again, it's, it's a bit of a,

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a mind fuck because you're like,
did it happen?

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Did it not happen?
How does she know?

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How does she not know?
Do pieces of you and other

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universes exist in yourself when
you appear in that universe?

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You know, I don't know.
Don't overthink it.

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No, it's impossible.
Yeah, I'm, I'm a doctor.

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I'm just saying stuff out loud
until I get the answer.

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I feel like you can't overthink
it, but I feel like, you know,

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there is some significance that
that maybe we don't know yet

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00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,800
because we know that Ruby's
story isn't over yet.

447
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,640
So I'm curious to see what part
that plays in it going forward.

448
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:18,000
I do like that in this memory
TARDIS, a lot of the actions to

449
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,480
solve these problems have to
come from their past

450
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,200
experiences, even in the sense
of the glove from their first

451
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,240
meeting, reappearing again, and
then this magical rope, which is

452
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,520
like the glove.
Yeah, a bungee cord.

453
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,840
The scene where they go to 2046,
I believe is the year to use

454
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,080
that prime minister's like
mandate, the registry of DNA and

455
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,400
all of that, which is like kind
of weird, not a great thing.

456
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,520
But Bonnie Langford really
shined in this moment.

457
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,240
I feel like with her succumbing
to the influence of suit tech,

458
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,760
being outside the room while
they're trying to figure it out.

459
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,440
I felt like for most of this
episode, she was kind of there,

460
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,240
but she really shined in that
moment and she did the purpose

461
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,800
right.
She was supposed to betray the

462
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,760
doctor and Ruby and be a, you
know, an agent in there.

463
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,320
I thought it was really cool.
I thought she really knocked it

464
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,800
out of the park with that scene.
What did you feel about the

465
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,160
whole bait and switch?
That they knew something was

466
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,440
happening to her and they just
wanted to get closer to Zu Tech

467
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,360
to take him on a walk?
Well, first I thought it was sad

468
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:25,000
because really, she died and he
took her over as a harbinger,

469
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,120
which is, you know, kind of
heartbreaking when you think

470
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,600
about it, because we kind of
fell in love with Mel again

471
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,920
through this entire thing.
I appreciated it because in my

472
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,760
head I was like, you know, the
doctor has to know what's going

473
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,320
on.
And sure enough, he did.

474
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,960
So I was glad that the doctor
realized what was going on

475
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,800
because she was acting so
differently, you know, And so

476
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,920
whether or not he felt how cold
she was, you could just tell

477
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,240
that something was off about
her.

478
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,800
And so I was glad that he was
able to see that as well.

479
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,000
The it's, it's so much like
Russell T Davies to defeat this

480
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,200
God of death by taking him on a
walk.

481
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,440
Yeah, through the time vortex.
And then I was trying to figure

482
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,160
out, right, so, so the Doctor
uses a whistle to call the

483
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,360
TARDIS.
Does the TARDIS also a dog of

484
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,240
some sort?
Also some sort of pet.

485
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,400
No, it just works that way.
It just answers to remember.

486
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,440
He he found that whistle in the
memory TARDIS.

487
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,800
So it's something that's like
directly connected to it.

488
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,400
So I feel like while it is funny
that it's like, oh whistle,

489
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,840
there's a dog on the TARDIS and
the TARDIS is the one that

490
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,040
responds, not the dog.
It's hilarious.

491
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,480
The scene with Suitek.
I just want to point this out

492
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,640
because visually, this whole
season, especially this episode,

493
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,680
stunning, it looks amazing.
But the scene that I just love,

494
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,840
and I think it's so terrifying
and it's so cool and it really

495
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,680
speaks to Suitek as a character,
is when they're in the time

496
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,640
window and he turns the TARDIS
around so he can't get through

497
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,280
those doors and he still
clutches it.

498
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,880
So it's that like possession
thing, It's that paranoia.

499
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,880
It's that this is mine.
I won.

500
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,720
Oh so good, but bad for him
because they turned the doors

501
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,360
the other way.
So when that shooting thing

502
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:03,400
happens that apparently the
TARDIS has a beam of energy like

503
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,600
that go straight through the
crotch.

504
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,720
Yeah, and and blasts through
Harriet's face as well.

505
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,520
RIP.
Sorry, Harbinger.

506
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,360
I want to know also, like my
question is, 'cause I'm not

507
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:18,680
entirely sure.
Are harbingers just regular

508
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,600
people that succumb to the
pantheons?

509
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,080
Whatever.
Because there was that little

510
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,040
boy with the maestro and they
disappeared.

511
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,920
But then at the end of the
episode during the dance number,

512
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,720
like there's always A twist at
the end he was back and he like

513
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,160
looked through the door.
So I'm curious like are they

514
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:41,560
real people or are they just
like manifestations of the

515
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,120
pantheon member?
I think that they're real people

516
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:47,960
that have been taken over by the
Pantheon member.

517
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:54,800
And because I think it's Sue
that says something like finally

518
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,560
you can kill the Time Lord and
the girl and then you can end

519
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,800
our like petty little half lives
that we're living.

520
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,000
So they're half alive, half
dead.

521
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,920
But so then that brings me to
the point of Harriet's the only

522
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,320
one that actually dies and
suitek because Harriet's not

523
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,520
there at the end.
Because no one loved her.

524
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,120
Well, I'm but you know what I'm
saying?

525
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:17,480
So it's like, that's weird.
Does the TARDIS laser negate you

526
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,000
coming back to life?
Well, I guess her physical form

527
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,960
was destroyed.
Yeah, by the laser.

528
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:29,320
Yeah, right.
Whereas Sue and Mel were not

529
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,120
killed.
Right, it's just funny to me

530
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,320
that like the doctor did this
whole speech in the time vortex

531
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,320
of like I am now becoming death.
I am the thing you've won in

532
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,040
this aspect.
And like Harriet died and

533
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,360
there's no mention of like if
this person was innocent.

534
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:47,800
It's like RAPI just find it
funny because like they tried to

535
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,320
build these stakes, right?
And this isn't one of the other

536
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,240
ticks I'll give this this
episode is that as soon as

537
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,880
everybody in UNIT died and
dusted Cherry and Missus Floyd

538
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,160
and Carla, all of them, I was
like, OK, they all come back.

539
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,960
Like the stakes of people dying
just was like negated once

540
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,000
everybody kind of bit it.
I just find it funny that like

541
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,640
all of them died, came back but
Harriet is just like no mention.

542
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,960
Everyone forgot about Harriet.
Yeah, unless Harriet's doing

543
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,120
something bad somewhere else.
Is it one of those things?

544
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,360
Why would she do that if she's a
normal person is my thing.

545
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,720
I just need to know if these
harbingers are actually like Sue

546
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,920
where they make these full
people but they can be activated

547
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,080
by the God, or if they're not.
I'm just curious.

548
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,640
Tyson.
Called Russell.

549
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,000
Figure it out.
Right.

550
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,560
We'll never know, so let's talk
about walking the dog.

551
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,640
OK, So what did you think about
this scene of pulling him on the

552
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,400
TARDIS through the vortex?
I thought it was.

553
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,760
Silly.
I thought it was great.

554
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,480
I loved it.
Like, I have no issue with it

555
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,880
because of course.
Yeah, they found a way to call

556
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,320
back the first episode with Ruby
and the Doctor.

557
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,920
They use the intelligent rope,
the intelligent gloves that he

558
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,760
brought him back into the time
vortex because that's where he

559
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,440
wanted to be anyway.
And he's like, let's bring you

560
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,480
back.
Now.

561
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,720
Apparently two negatives do make
a positive.

562
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,160
I don't get it, but I do get it.
It's like, oh, he brought death

563
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,120
to death.
He killed death.

564
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,920
So therefore what's left after
that life, if not nothing?

565
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,160
Because death is nothing.
I feel like if you kind of try

566
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,040
to piece it together, it's like
it works.

567
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,840
Like let's hand wave that.
It's, again, it's a very Doctor

568
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,560
Who thing where the doctor just
says something and it is

569
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,520
scientific law.
Well, it worked, right?

570
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,360
He's like Ruby.
What happens when you bring

571
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,920
death to death?
You make life.

572
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,480
She's like.
She's like, I, I guess you're

573
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,320
right because it's happening,
you know?

574
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,080
And and I just kept thinking I'm
like, OK, well, when you

575
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,680
multiply 2 negative numbers, you
get a positive number.

576
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,960
Yeah.
So there you go.

577
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,760
Yeah, exactly.
Two wrongs do make a right.

578
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,800
See.
So if your enemy does you wrong,

579
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,360
you do wrong to them.
And then if everyone's happy.

580
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,000
I do have to say though, during
this, Shootie gave a fantastic

581
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,080
performance.
I love these are like the Doctor

582
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,840
speeches.
These are the moments where it's

583
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,320
like, I just love the Doctor.
Like I love that he can put

584
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,320
together these strings of words
or what this stuff means.

585
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,040
I know it's the writers, but
like the doctor delivering it.

586
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,240
And I do feel for him in this
aspect because one of the things

587
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,280
I love about the Doctor and he
says it and he's like, I pride

588
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,080
myself in being life.
I'm supposed to be this thing

589
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,160
like if you're deaf, I'm this
opposite thing.

590
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,120
And he always strives to be
that.

591
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,400
He tried to save the people and
find time even though he knew

592
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,000
what they were.
So like, that's who the doctor

593
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,360
is.
And for him to even be upset

594
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,640
that he has to kill Suitek,
which I will say this is

595
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,840
probably like the only person
that you should be like, fine, I

596
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,520
get where he's coming from.
It's like a very big moment for

597
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,280
the doctor.
And he does it kind of

598
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,400
gracefully.
He just closes the door and

599
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,720
Suitek made his bed and he laid
in it.

600
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,560
Do you think he's actually dead?
No.

601
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,560
I think he is.
I don't want him to come back.

602
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,920
I mean he probably could cause
what is it the the toy maker

603
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,960
said my legion is coming or
something like that.

604
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,240
So like is the toy maker the
head of the pantheon or one of

605
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,920
them?
And Suitek kind of has to be

606
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,040
along with that.
Does the embodiment or the God

607
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,920
of the thing actually die, or
does it just change into

608
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,000
something else?
How do you kill a God?

609
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,680
I don't know.
I don't know either.

610
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,040
We haven't seen it until Suitek
so I don't know.

611
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,640
Is he just sprinkled through
time now?

612
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,680
Or maybe he's just like some
sort of like withering bat dog

613
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,000
and then they'll kind of someone
will come and bring him back to

614
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,280
life again where he can bring
death.

615
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,120
Once Upon the universe.
So any final thoughts on Suitek?

616
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,920
No, no, yeah.
I mean, I, I will say, you know,

617
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,720
I said in the beginning that I
was a little underwhelmed only

618
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,200
in that, like, it was cool.
I think the idea was cool.

619
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,240
I just like, I don't know, like
some, I don't want to say the

620
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,000
word is underwhelmed because I
very much enjoyed it and I got

621
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,720
it.
I just feel like it was just

622
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,240
missing something.
Maybe to me it was, oh, the

623
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,920
stakes are going to be reversed
like immediately.

624
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,080
I again, I wish that first part
wasn't the last week to give us

625
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,840
time to really sit with it.
Even though we got the kind

626
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,960
woman seen, we got to stay with
the consequences of death taking

627
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,080
over.
It just felt like we needed a

628
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,360
little more stakes, not killing
somebody, but.

629
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,360
It almost, it almost feels like
the opposite of my kind of

630
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,800
critique of the season as a
whole in the sense that now we

631
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,200
got too many of the down moments
and not enough of the action,

632
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,880
and this last fight didn't
really feel like a fight.

633
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,000
What are you talking about?
No one fought.

634
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,480
Ruby smashed the screen.
She fought.

635
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,000
There you go.
She fought Mavity and she won.

636
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,040
OK, there you go.
I do want to say though, like

637
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,720
before we leave Suitek, I love
that moment.

638
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:04,360
That is like a companion moment
for Ruby to know, I guess.

639
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,080
Know who her mother is, not
understanding it.

640
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,360
Going along with these plans of
the Doctor and facing up to a

641
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,280
God and being like you're the
God of nothing and then smashing

642
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,920
the only thing that he can get
the answers for.

643
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,880
I loved that.
Go Ruby.

644
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,920
I enjoyed in these final scenes
that the Ruby and the Doctor

645
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,560
were doing Lara Croft
cosplaying.

646
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,960
They were.
They sure were.

647
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,560
They took off their cute little
jumpers and everything, and they

648
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,800
just put on some utility pants
and T-shirts.

649
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,560
Oh yeah, this is the season for
all the types of outfits,

650
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,440
whatever they're doing, so of
course they're going to be ready

651
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,840
for war.
They sure were.

652
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,160
They must have found those duds
in that memory.

653
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,480
TARDIS.
I loved it.

654
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,640
All right, so moving on to the
review, the mystery of the

655
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,160
season, literally since the
conception of these two

656
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,920
together, who is Ruby's mom and
what does all mean?

657
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,160
So her mother is a regular,
ordinary person.

658
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,200
What did you feel about that
revelation?

659
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,199
What do you feel about the
aspect of she was only so

660
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,679
important because we put
importance on things, we made it

661
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,960
significant.
What did you feel about that?

662
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,719
I think that in a show like
this, it's very tough when the

663
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:29,480
payoff doesn't necessarily fit
the what we've all been

664
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,480
thinking.
Give me more.

665
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:36,880
We've been, we're living in this
science fiction zone where we're

666
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:42,560
cloaking this person in so much
mystery and it feels like almost

667
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,000
like a let down that it wasn't
anyone with more power or any

668
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,440
other sort of being, you know,
because we were fed so much

669
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:57,040
about Ruby being some sort of
magic being some sort of music.

670
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,400
Where does she come from?
You know, who is it?

671
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,320
Even if it was like a new God,
you know, So that felt like a

672
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,880
let down.
I will say though, that again,

673
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,040
the message I think is
beautiful.

674
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,680
Right, Right.
It's very much along the lines

675
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,480
of the spoon.
It's saying that although we are

676
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,440
just regular people, one in 76
million, we're still special to

677
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,360
someone.
There's a famous line from the

678
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,440
11th Doctor where he talks
about, you know, ordinary people

679
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,360
and everything like that.
And he's like, I've never met

680
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,320
somebody that wasn't important.
So that is something with the

681
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,000
Doctor, right?
That this, the theme running

682
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,680
through the 60 plus years that
Doctor Who's been around is that

683
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,240
companions themselves become
important people.

684
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:42,120
They've always been important
people, but they're important

685
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,840
because they are important.
I think, you know, it's almost

686
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,440
like taking a page out of like
Donna and Opal's book is that,

687
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,160
you know, something that she
always said she was, you know,

688
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,400
she's a temp.
She's like not special.

689
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,200
She is special.
And she, it took her a while to

690
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,480
see that.
I liked it.

691
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,960
I think I'm more in the boat of
like, at first, you know, we had

692
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,800
fun, right?
We were theorizing we were doing

693
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,880
all this stuff like, could she
be this?

694
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,040
Could she be that?
Whose companion's child is she?

695
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:15,040
I think that it would have made
it too complicated and weird if

696
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,360
it was something, you know, the
the pantheon aside, somebody's

697
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,800
that we news child.
I think it would just make it

698
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,000
too complicated, right.
I feel like we're not done with

699
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,960
it, mostly because Russell D
Davies said so.

700
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,040
We don't know who her father is.
We kind of know why it snows,

701
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,360
but we kind of don't know why it
snows.

702
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,120
I feel like there's still
something more to her.

703
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,400
Agreed.
But the fact that her mother is

704
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,560
an ordinary person is like, fine
with me.

705
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:52,200
I do have one little tiny issue.
They really hammed in that it

706
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,960
was like somebody something,
right?

707
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,880
And I get it.
But like, I don't, I feel like

708
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,560
they messed with us a little too
much.

709
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,280
And it was one of those things
where it's like they knew we

710
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,840
would think these things and it
was like the whole time you made

711
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,640
it important.
And so it was important, but it

712
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,520
turns out she was just her mom.
And it's like, I guess like you,

713
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,840
you got us with what they were
thinking, right?

714
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,040
We were the doctor and Sue Tech.
We were everybody.

715
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,480
We made it so important and it
was just, you know, it was what

716
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,840
it was.
Yeah, and I just kind of

717
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,320
touching on the hamming it up
thing of, you know, the cloaked

718
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,160
woman pointing so strongly at
the doctor and it just turns out

719
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,880
she was pointing to the road
sign.

720
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,080
That is the one thing like
cloaked fine, I don't care, you

721
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,840
know, she's 15. 2004 Where'd she
get that cloak?

722
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,960
I mean, it was like Hot Topic
emo central.

723
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,080
She got it from Hot Topic or
somewhere.

724
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,040
That's fine.
You know, I, I really do feel

725
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,520
like because the doctor said
like it's changing and thing

726
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,240
keeps changing and I'm curious
if it was changing because they

727
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,280
all kept adding to the mystery.
They all kept saying like, we

728
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,560
don't know, we don't know.
And it just kept adding to it.

729
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,920
Who knows?
Who knows how this time window

730
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,760
stuff really works.
Yeah, the pointing thing, that's

731
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,160
the only thing where I was like,
OK, like, that was a step too

732
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,440
far.
Like, that just doesn't make any

733
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,240
sense to me.
Like, yeah, maybe the person

734
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,560
picking up Ruby Saul.
And she was like, I wouldn't

735
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,160
know what that meant.
I honestly thought she was named

736
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,040
Ruby because the church on Ruby
Rd. is like the name of the

737
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,280
special.
And I thought, like, Oh yeah,

738
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,600
she was named Ruby because
that's the road.

739
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,920
That's where they found her.
Yeah, and it turns out that is

740
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,200
why her name is Ruby.
It was just nice to know that,

741
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,640
like, OK, her mom named her, so
that's nice.

742
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:39,400
Yeah.
Yeah.

743
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,960
The pointing thing, I'm like,
OK, fine.

744
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:42,760
But I just love the memes of
everybody.

745
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,480
Like, good thing she wasn't born
here.

746
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,200
And they put like, they show a
street sign from that name or

747
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,760
that place and it's like, not
good.

748
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,040
Yeah, if if it was my childhood,
she'd be 133rd Ave. so.

749
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,680
I'd be Adams St.
Well, Adams at least, is good.

750
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,160
Adams as a first name is weird.
They're like, oh, it's a little

751
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,320
more special because there's an
S on the end.

752
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,840
It's pluralized.
So many.

753
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,000
Adams.
OK, I have a question.

754
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,080
OK, if you found out who your
birth mother was after being,

755
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,800
you know, away from her for 20
years and you had the

756
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,320
opportunity to say, hey, I'm.
I'm your baby, would you have

757
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,000
done it?
I don't know.

758
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:28,280
I mean, yeah, I, I think a lot
of this, if Ruby didn't have the

759
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,040
support system that she did, I
think it might have been a

760
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,120
different, like I, I don't know.
I, I, I just want to say, I

761
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,360
don't know.
But I think with her, with Carla

762
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,120
and Sherri being so loving and
supporting and like, yeah, if

763
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,920
you want to find your birthday
mother, we'll help you and all

764
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,320
of this stuff and encouraging
it.

765
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,120
I probably would, right?
It's like if you could finally

766
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,320
get the answers.
I do find this whole situation.

767
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,760
So when they finally find her,
when they find her mother in the

768
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,440
cafe, and this is where it's
interesting with the doctor,

769
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,520
right?
I feel like it's he has this

770
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,360
weight of Susan over his head,
his granddaughter, like he

771
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,200
hasn't gone back to see her.
And I feel like he was putting

772
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,480
his fears on to Ruby in this
situation.

773
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,800
I don't know if the you know, he
tried to make it reason with you

774
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,920
know, you found her via time
machine, like she had 7000

775
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,480
whatever days to come find you
and she didn't.

776
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,080
When she did try, she did try to
find her.

777
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,840
She just couldn't.
So I think it was a good choice

778
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,960
for Ruby to go and find her and
I love the way she did it.

779
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,840
It was, it was kind of clever
and it just was a such a sweet

780
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,480
scene.
Her being like, Oh, if I tell

781
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,360
the barista my name, they'll
call out my name.

782
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,000
She sat right across from her.
I loved that moment.

783
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,400
Another teary eye moment.
It was very 20240 cappuccino.

784
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,080
And then she's waiting for the
barista to call her name.

785
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,520
I I did.
I had a problem with the doctor

786
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,080
trying to stop her.
Personally, I thought this whole

787
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,960
season you were trying to help
her figure out who her mother

788
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,640
was, and now you do.
And now you're telling her not

789
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,600
to.
And I think it bothers me when

790
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,560
rule Breakers want others to
follow the rules.

791
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,800
And sometimes I feel that with
the doctor right, he's a bit of

792
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,120
a rule breaker.
He can change laws if he wants.

793
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,920
To well, he's still the TARDIS
to begin.

794
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,800
With exactly.
And then yet he's standing there

795
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,600
and he's like, oh, this has been
your lifelong dream.

796
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,760
You shouldn't do it right.
You know, so that I kind of feel

797
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,640
like me the wrong way.
Yeah, I feel like he was trying

798
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,360
to protect her when he should
let her make her own decisions,

799
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,960
right.
I don't think it's like he

800
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,080
didn't do it out of like bad
reasons.

801
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,680
I think he was just being he's
projecting onto her what he

802
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,880
feels and then also was trying
to protect her.

803
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,440
That's that's what I would say
because there's a moment like

804
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,000
after he sees them hugging and
like it's OK that he kind of was

805
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,360
like, oh, could this be how the
reunion is with my

806
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,960
granddaughter?
It could be why don't you just

807
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,040
go see her?
Like I feel like because of

808
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:59,600
Susan being named Susan SU Tech
doing this all on purpose, if in

809
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,800
the near future he doesn't go
actively try to find Susan, I'm

810
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,360
going to be very frustrated.
These are all signs, right?

811
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:06,640
But.
Find her.

812
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,040
What we learned over this season
is that even though the signs

813
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,200
are there, doesn't necessarily
mean we're going to get it.

814
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,120
I mean, OK, so let's let's go to
like what was answered, what

815
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,560
wasn't answered, right?
A lot was answered.

816
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,920
I feel like at least like the
main mystery of like who is

817
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,000
Ruby?
Where did she come from?

818
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,440
Or at least half of it, right?
We did get her father's name,

819
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,840
which was like William Garnett I
think was the last name.

820
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,560
No idea who he is.
So she's Ruby Garnett.

821
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,400
Oh.
Two Reds, two gemstones.

822
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,160
Yeah, Interesting.
Cool.

823
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,400
I didn't even notice that she's
very powerful.

824
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,920
I mean, like, that is the last
name.

825
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,400
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Listeners and watchers, I'm

826
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,400
pretty sure that is.
So let's go to the final shot,

827
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,560
right?
So let's do the farewell and

828
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,960
Missus Flynn.
The farewell I thought was

829
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,800
sweet.
Those are moments where when the

830
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,440
time comes for a companion,
either by choice or not by

831
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,280
choice, is very sad.
We know Millie is going to be

832
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,000
back.
So I think with knowing that

833
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,240
almost a detriment to the scene
because it's like, Oh well,

834
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,960
you'll be fine.
Like you guys are going to see

835
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,120
each other.
I think it was smart for the

836
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,320
Doctor to be like, go like,
enjoy your story, like you got

837
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,640
some answers, go enjoy it.
I think that's very smart and a

838
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,480
good thing.
Her being so upset, OK, We just

839
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,640
know she's coming back.
So I felt like, oh, this was

840
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,240
very sweet and is really well
done.

841
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:35,720
But it's fine.
Yeah, they'll see each other.

842
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:40,200
I again, I think because we
didn't get the emotional

843
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,800
resonance of seeing them build
their relationship through these

844
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,680
adventures, them saying goodbye
to each other wasn't as

845
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,960
impactful as I think they wanted
it to be.

846
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,720
And I think that he could have
hung out for a little bit.

847
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,960
She's like, you're my best
friend, like my mom now knows

848
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,280
everything about you.
I want you to hang out with her.

849
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,560
And he's like, bye.
Yeah, I mean, she said.

850
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,680
You don't do that, right?
He doesn't do that.

851
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,120
Rose's uncle is hanging out in
the somewhere.

852
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,760
Right.
He's allowed to because this

853
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,200
doctor exists.
But that, that is the thing.

854
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,240
That's why that moment is so
like big because the doctor

855
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:19,360
doesn't stay.
And that doctor finally did.

856
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,040
I do.
I was hoping he would stay just

857
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,040
a little bit.
But that's what makes me think

858
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,840
that because we don't know who
her father is.

859
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,280
And we know from SLT Davies
talking about the special and

860
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,960
talking about what's to come,
that there are more revelations

861
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,520
for Ruby to come.
So I'm curious if there's a

862
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,520
reason why he's not there,
because then it would be too

863
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,480
obvious.
I don't know.

864
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,640
Yeah, I'm very curious about
that.

865
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,440
But I did like how they were
wearing their outfits, their

866
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,600
little Christmas outfits, the
same ones that they had in the

867
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,880
first adventure.
And this one is a nice little

868
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,640
bookend moment.
Yeah, very sweet.

869
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:56,440
OK, Missus Flood, this, this
broad is driving me crazy

870
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,920
because I don't know.
I don't know if she's good.

871
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,920
I don't know if she's bad.
I don't know if she's in the

872
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,360
middle.
There's moments where when she's

873
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,760
talking to Sherri in bed and
she's like, can I have a cup of

874
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,120
tea?
And she's like, do you believe

875
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,680
in God?
Like, dear, Jeez.

876
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,120
And she's like, tell your maker
that I'm going to bust down his,

877
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,000
you know, golden gates or
whatever.

878
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:17,240
Terrifying.
Yeah.

879
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,480
Also she had plans and then we
see her on the roof looking like

880
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,880
a a a Mary Poppins.
Snow Angel.

881
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,640
Yeah, it was snowing, which is
interesting.

882
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,840
So we know that the snow happens
or they said it happens because

883
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,360
the memory of Ruby was so
powerful that it's just coming

884
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,160
through right next to the
explanation we got.

885
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,920
I feel like there has to be
more, right?

886
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,640
If Missus Flood is making it
snow.

887
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,600
Was she always doing it the
whole time?

888
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,200
I'm curious, I I need to know
who she is because people online

889
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,960
have pointed this out.
I don't want to take credit for

890
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,480
this.
People online have pointed it

891
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,120
out that in the scene with
Sherri, she's wearing an outfit

892
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,160
that looks very much like Carla
or Clara Cheese.

893
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,200
I'm getting the the names mixed
up too.

894
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:10,120
Similar, but it looks like Clara
Oswald the 12th companion and

895
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,680
then in this one looks like a
past companion as well.

896
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,520
Ramona wore that same exact
outfit.

897
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,640
Yes, it was that fuzzy.
And then the umbrella makes me

898
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,920
think very much Missy slash the
master.

899
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,280
She also had a suitcase, it
looked like she was holding a

900
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,360
suitcase.
She travels.

901
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,960
So my theory is here we go is
that she is a forgotten

902
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:34,080
companion who has been waiting
to get her revenge on him,

903
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,920
leaving her behind.
Does it?

904
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,480
Is it really revenge truven
though like?

905
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:44,640
Did you see how he just leaves
you heartless after he put your

906
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,760
life in danger?
I think that is interesting.

907
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,120
I think that because he doesn't
know a lot about his lives

908
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,480
before, like, the show
technically started with 13's

909
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,000
run really changing the lore,
right?

910
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,000
He's a timeless child and
doesn't know all the lives that

911
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,040
they had.
I guess maybe, yeah, it could be

912
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,080
some type of companion that was
lost.

913
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,720
I know that there's this theory
floating around that, you know,

914
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:10,560
maybe she's the God of stories
because the way she narrated the

915
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,120
end was very much like a
children's book.

916
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,720
And she at the end, she says
night, night.

917
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,960
Yeah.
And she also says that he's

918
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,960
going to have a terrible fate,
basically.

919
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,440
Oh yeah, I have no idea.
I'm I'm very excited.

920
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,600
I think it was very smart to
plant the seeds of who is Misses

921
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,360
Flood kind of forgetting about
her and then bringing her back

922
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,360
in this way.
I think it's very smart.

923
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,240
Yeah.
So I guess final thoughts on the

924
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:41,600
finale before we give out our
ABO kind of awards for this

925
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,520
season.
Things that we want to say

926
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,840
you're like are the best or a
favorite.

927
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,840
Things just kind of reflecting
back on the season final

928
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,200
thoughts.
Final thoughts are there are a

929
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,720
lot more questions than answers
and so I find that frustrating

930
00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:00,720
as as a season as a whole, I
liked getting to find out who

931
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,880
Ruby's mother is.
I'm looking forward to more

932
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,640
adventures, but yeah, I think we
mentioned a couple of clunky

933
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,280
things along the way, but I
think that this episode answered

934
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,080
two big questions and that's
enough for now.

935
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,960
Or at least mostly answered
them.

936
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,360
And then they were like, by the
way, her father, it's like, oh

937
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,680
shit, yeah, I forgot.
We were talking about her mom

938
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,640
the whole time.
We forgot that she probably is a

939
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:24,360
father.
I also love that her name,

940
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,400
Louise Miller, is like the most
generic name.

941
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,320
Miller has a last name, you
know, it's yeah, it's just

942
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,960
amazing.
Sorry anybody's last name is

943
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,920
Miller, but you know, it's like
Smith.

944
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,000
I feel like it's as akin to
Smith or whatever.

945
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,960
Yeah, I think this season was
different and being that story

946
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,840
wise, or they were trying new
things, no classic villains at

947
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,480
all, which I think was really
interesting.

948
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,640
And for that I have to commend
them on still making such an

949
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,800
engaging season with it still
feeling like Doctor Who.

950
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,280
I'm just really looking forward
to hopefully a season where the

951
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,040
companion and Doctor a little
more together.

952
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,760
Yeah, because I think with
knowing that he was filming

953
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,040
other things and shootie, it was
a detriment almost.

954
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,160
I still feel like the episodes
were enjoyable and great, but

955
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,080
just as like a love and
connection with the characters.

956
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,200
I just need more screen time.
Just a little more screen time.

957
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,000
I'm with you all.
Right.

958
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,480
Should we get to our
superlatives?

959
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,160
Yes, let's say some favorite
things.

960
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,920
All right, so we are going to
and also listeners slash

961
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,440
watchers, feel free to give us
your answers to these.

962
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,480
So he came up with some
categories.

963
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,680
OK, first category, favorite
episode of the season.

964
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,800
And in these parameters we're
only doing the episodes that

965
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,640
started with and shooting.
So the giggle does count for any

966
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,880
of these categories.
Just putting that out there.

967
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,880
So what is your favorite
episode?

968
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,720
My favorite episode of the
season is Drum Roll Please, 73

969
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:53,800
Yards.
Mine too.

970
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:54,520
Really.
Yeah.

971
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,400
So we didn't share these at all
between each other.

972
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:58,640
So that's that's funny.
What's?

973
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,920
Kind of hilarious is that the
Doctor really isn't even in that

974
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,080
one and we're like, it's our
favorite.

975
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,520
So why 73 yards?
I liked it a lot because I loved

976
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:14,840
seeing Ruby be the hero rather
than the victim.

977
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,480
Right?
Which I think happens a lot to

978
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,680
the companion.
She got to be the one to save

979
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,480
it, although it was sad that she
was by herself getting to see

980
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,400
her entire journey and how she
took the time to realize what

981
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,200
she had to do.
Even though she lost everyone,

982
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,840
she was still selfless enough to
sacrifice that and save the

983
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,600
world.
So I think the sort of horror

984
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,680
aspects of it were really well
done.

985
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,720
I loved a lot of the camera
angles on this kind of leaning

986
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:47,120
into that genre as well.
So All in all, I just thought

987
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,360
brought together it was a really
great mystery, nice horror, and

988
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,080
it was encapsulated within
itself.

989
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,440
And we saw it now in this
episode, how that episode

990
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,640
actually really mattered to what
was going on.

991
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,000
Yeah, I loved it for all of
those reasons.

992
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,520
I think it was important to have
an episode that really showcased

993
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,680
not only Millie Gibson's, you
know, talent, but showcasing

994
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,040
Ruby Sunday in a light that
wasn't necessarily had to do

995
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,320
with who her mother is.
So I like that it separated from

996
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,000
that a little bit.
Also, I love horror.

997
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,760
Anybody that knows me, I love
horror.

998
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,400
So if we were going to get a
horror episode of Doctor Who,

999
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,120
it's probably going to be my
favorite, especially if it's

1000
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,760
done right.
I just like the music in it.

1001
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,920
Also, hats off to Murray Gold
this season killing it.

1002
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,480
So the music was amazing.
It visually looked awesome.

1003
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,080
I loved the camera tricks that
they did in it.

1004
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,840
I just loved it.
I loved the mystery behind it.

1005
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,560
I loved that it felt like folk
horror going into like political

1006
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,320
thriller.
It was just great.

1007
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,680
Also, the old lady doing this,
oh hand movements, she was

1008
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,520
thacking, she was thacking, she
was doing the Macarena.

1009
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,560
She's doing everything.
I love finding out that she

1010
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,200
didn't know what she's doing.
It's just random.

1011
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,680
She's.
Just like ner ner, ner ner ner.

1012
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:02,880
It's just her board waiting for
her scene to be done.

1013
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,920
Exactly.
All right, so next category,

1014
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,400
favorite villain, alien creature
in that category.

1015
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,680
Go ahead.
I know everyone's going to be

1016
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,640
really surprised with my choice
here, but it it just so happens

1017
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,640
that my favorite villain is
Maestro.

1018
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,040
So we had the opportunity to not
just pick villain, but creatures

1019
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,120
are aliens and Maestro was your
pick.

1020
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,600
Yeah, it was my pick too, but I
picked something else because I

1021
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,240
knew you were going to pick it.
Why can't we match?

1022
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,160
Because I knew we were going to
match on the.

1023
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:42,720
First one I so honestly I
believe the best performance of

1024
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:45,640
this season was by Jinx Monsoon
as maestro.

1025
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,960
I think that she brought so much
to this role I couldn't get

1026
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,640
enough of it.
I wish that she was in more

1027
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,480
episodes because that's how good
I thought it was spin off.

1028
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,000
The pantheons and it's just Jinx
Jinx Monsoon as the main

1029
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,480
character.
Going around trying to figure

1030
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,320
out what music really means to
her.

1031
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,640
I love that, right?
I would watch it.

1032
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,480
Do I steal it?
Do I enjoy it?

1033
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,920
What is music?
OK, so since I knew it was going

1034
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:20,280
to be Maestro, I had to I had to
had to just say my runner up.

1035
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,400
It's the slugs from find time,
the slugs, the racists eating

1036
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,560
slugs, those angels coupled with
the dots.

1037
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,040
I just love them.
What more is there to say than

1038
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,120
seeing that beautiful slug when
it showed that picture of the

1039
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,120
home world and the slug just
being like racism is dead?

1040
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,400
We did it.
We did it, Joe.

1041
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,040
I loved.
It as they said yeah, I agree

1042
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,000
that was a great bait and switch
yes right of thinking Oh my God,

1043
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,120
they're they're the enemy but
really they're doing.

1044
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,520
Good and not only you know, we
should have put like favorite

1045
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,080
performance on here, but I kind
of didn't want to because I knew

1046
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,880
Jinx would be the Maister would
be there somewhere.

1047
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,600
But I would say like and shooty
did a fantastic job this season.

1048
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,720
I do think Maister really just
like chewed the whole thing, but

1049
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:10,080
at the end of fine time is
probably the Doctor's best

1050
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,960
performance in this in this
whole first series.

1051
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,440
Just want to put that out there,
but thanks, legs.

1052
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,640
All right, next one favorite
Susan Twist appearance.

1053
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,560
Susan Triad, Susan Twist,
whatever you want to call it.

1054
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,640
Sue T Sue T.
So my favorite is the ambulance.

1055
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,080
God damn it, is that yours?
Yeah, that's my favorite.

1056
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,960
To be fair.
It's like, what other

1057
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,400
performance would we pick?
Right?

1058
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,120
I, I guess Susan Triad would be
the only other one where we

1059
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,800
really got to see her.
Yeah, just for the the Theresa

1060
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,240
May dance alone.
I think we need to take a moment

1061
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:49,280
and just think, what is Russell
T Davies trying to say about

1062
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,680
older women?
That they're amazing and

1063
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,400
capable.
Or that they're harbingers of

1064
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,800
death who can dance.
What is he saying?

1065
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,880
I don't think that, no.
That is hilarious.

1066
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:03,720
Yeah, the ambulance I think is
is a terrifying performance by

1067
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,160
Susan Twist.
It was layered, it was amazing.

1068
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,120
And she just played this AI
robot.

1069
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,560
Loved it.
And I feel like that appearance

1070
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,560
of Susan Twist really kind of
solidified where these

1071
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,280
harbingers were coming from and
existing in this place of war

1072
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,920
and just killing people for any
reason.

1073
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,160
Yeah, the the Angels of Death,
as SU Tech called them.

1074
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,680
That was really the first
episode where I was like,

1075
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:31,720
Russell T Davies is a liar.
It's not just because they

1076
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:33,120
didn't have a shortage of
extras.

1077
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,440
She means something.
Yeah.

1078
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:36,000
Yeah.
Fantastic.

1079
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,760
All right.
Second to last, favorite fit

1080
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,320
specifically.
We didn't want to just say the

1081
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,760
Doctor because there's so many
amazing ones in the here, but

1082
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,000
favorite fit of the entire
season.

1083
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,560
So I did just kind of think of
the doctor.

1084
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,080
I was looking at all of his
outfits, and I actually have one

1085
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,720
that isn't that exciting, but it
was just my favorite.

1086
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,640
So I loved his outfit in Space
Babies.

1087
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,320
Interesting.
So it's a high waisted blue

1088
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:06,080
trouser with a Gray coloured
striped zipped jumper that he

1089
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,120
has very long and he also has a
leather trench.

1090
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,520
And the reason that I like it is
that it felt the most classic

1091
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:19,480
Who, but updated in the sense
that I don't know, whatever I

1092
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,280
think of Doctor Who, I think of
stripes, I think of coats, I

1093
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,880
think of.
Is that the same outfit that he

1094
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,240
wore in the Goblin episode?
No.

1095
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,880
So the pants are the same, the
jacket's the same, but the shirt

1096
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,520
is different.
So that one has vertical

1097
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,520
stripes, this one has horizontal
stripes.

1098
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,680
Now I have it in my head, yeah.
And so that was my favorite just

1099
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,960
because it felt like the most
now, but it also, I think,

1100
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,080
nodded to the past.
I agree.

1101
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,000
Can you guess mine?
I'm just curious if you can

1102
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,400
guess it.
They think about me as a person.

1103
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,360
Can you guess what my favorite
outfit and I'll narrow it down.

1104
00:56:55,360 --> 00:57:00,200
It is the doctor.
OK, I think of you as a person.

1105
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:05,160
Yeah, I'm looking behind you.
Fantastic Four Macabre Prince.

1106
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:06,880
Some things tell.
I don't know.

1107
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,600
I feel like his like very.
I'm I'm.

1108
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,680
I'm stuck between the devil's
cord outfit.

1109
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:14,920
Is that the one you calling?
No.

1110
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,600
Or the rogue outfit.
Oh, so close.

1111
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,960
What was it?
So I have a tie.

1112
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,480
I don't know if we can do this.
We're making the rules.

1113
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:24,880
I don't care.
I have a tie.

1114
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,760
Devil's cord is one just I think
it's felt or velvet.

1115
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,920
It was blue suit.
It was amazing fro I just loved

1116
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,200
it.
It was just a sick plain look

1117
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,280
and also 73 yards the yellow.
Trench.

1118
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,400
That's why I was like, think of
me, think of yellow.

1119
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,480
You know what was funny was that
what I did is that I looked

1120
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,320
through all the images on IMDb
for each episode and for some

1121
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,360
reason, 73 yards, they don't
show him a lot.

1122
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:52,920
Well, he was in it because he's
not in it.

1123
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,680
Yeah, I just love that outfit.
I thought it was so cool.

1124
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,560
I loved the yellow jacket.
I love the red beanie.

1125
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,240
I his boots.
I just I would be like that

1126
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,520
would be an outfit I want to
wear.

1127
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,640
Give me the codes to put in to
find that online and I will buy

1128
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,040
it immediately.
Yeah.

1129
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,040
All right, so last one we have
for this season.

1130
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,520
Favorite non lead character?
OK because he told me I couldn't

1131
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,920
but I do want to mention that my
favorite non lead character

1132
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,480
originally were the slugs from
dot and bubble.

1133
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,600
He said that didn't count so.
Because we have favorite

1134
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,600
villain, alien or creature.
I'm just saying it doesn't

1135
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:31,720
matter but that they're a
creature.

1136
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,680
They could still be a non
leading role.

1137
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,320
So my favorite non lead
character is Mel.

1138
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,640
Oh.
I love Mel.

1139
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,720
I yes, I love her appearance in
The Giggle.

1140
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,080
I love that we're not
questioning who she is.

1141
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,880
She knows what she's doing,
she's super personable, she's

1142
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,120
great.
You could see why the Doctor

1143
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,640
loved her and wanted her along
on his adventures.

1144
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,680
Yeah, I loved it.
I also loved how she saw her

1145
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,040
hair ties because if you look
back at what Mel looked like in

1146
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,960
her original run, she had this
big hair, big red hair, and she

1147
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,600
had these hair ties that was so
cute.

1148
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,360
I love Mel.
I did not expect that.

1149
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,720
So my favorite non lead
character is Rogue.

1150
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,080
Of course it is.
Like, of course it is.

1151
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,240
But also Misses Flood.
You know, I feel like everybody

1152
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,440
needs to keep an eye on Misses
Flood.

1153
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,960
But Rogue, What can I say?
Jonathan Groff knocked it out of

1154
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,520
the park.
I'm a sucker.

1155
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,000
We're finally getting like a
really true queer moment with

1156
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,480
the doctor.
I want him to go find Rogue.

1157
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,200
I love the character.
I think there's a lot of mystery

1158
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,800
there.
Yeah.

1159
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,240
Really stood out to me.
Yeah.

1160
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,640
So those are our awards.
Let us know.

1161
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,960
Let us know your your your picks
for that one.

1162
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,840
So before we go, we're just
putting this out there or what's

1163
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,960
to come.
What's still out there?

1164
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,600
What threads are still laying in
the time vortex that need to be

1165
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:58,280
brought back into the TARDIS?
So loose threats.

1166
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,280
Whose Miss Flood.
OK.

1167
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,560
What is the deal with the new
companion?

1168
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,680
Because we saw her and boom, at
least the actor.

1169
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,760
Is it going to be Monday or is
it going to be a completely

1170
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,800
different person?
Right.

1171
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,120
Where is Rogue?
We need to know that.

1172
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,480
Why snow and music 'cause
there's, you know, the scene

1173
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,480
with Maestro saying this
creature is wrong.

1174
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,560
There's a hidden song inside of
her.

1175
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,800
It seems separated too much from
the mystery with her mother.

1176
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,000
Like, yes, Carol, the bell is in
the snow.

1177
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,160
I just feel like there is a
little more something there that

1178
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,800
we need answers to.
This kind of feeds into that.

1179
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,160
Yeah, is the boss who the Meep
said and also Rogue and kind of

1180
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,640
Maestro different from the one
who waits?

1181
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,720
I believe so.
Is Missus Flood the boss?

1182
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,640
Is she also serving this boss?
We need to know.

1183
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,760
Yeah, yeah.
And I think the most important

1184
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,360
question did Cherry get her tea
it?

1185
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,760
Didn't look like.
It didn't look like it.

1186
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,680
Or woman.
I will say one of the funny

1187
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:06,120
things about After Unit coming
back of being detested is that

1188
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,240
they have pizza, right?
They're having a pizza party.

1189
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:08,920
Pizza.
Party.

1190
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:14,000
But I just love the thought of
everything coming back and those

1191
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,920
pizza people working are just
like, OK, I guess we have to

1192
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,640
keep making pizzas.
Now back to work I think.

1193
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,960
The world deserves like a week
off.

1194
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,440
After that, I also just want to
point out one thing that we

1195
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:30,040
didn't mention, the fact that
Morris Gibbons has firearms

1196
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,480
built into his little Segway of.
Course he does.

1197
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,320
It was incredible of.
Course he does so good.

1198
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,000
Amazing, yeah.
And I also want to see where is

1199
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,680
Rose going to fit into this,
right?

1200
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,280
We brought her back.
She's kind of interning is.

1201
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:45,560
Sorry, I have something in my
eye.

1202
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:52,640
There is a rumoured unit spin
off, so that would be nice

1203
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,960
because that would mean we get
to see more Rose.

1204
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,800
Yeah, maybe possibly pop ups of
14 and Donna.

1205
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:03,400
I don't know, but I just love
that, you know, Kate Stewart is

1206
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,480
still trying to recruit people.
She tried to recruit Susan Susan

1207
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,280
right away.
And the and the relationship we

1208
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:10,960
saw them holding.
Hands, I don't know if it's

1209
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,600
romantic or not.
Colonel Handsome, you know, I

1210
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,560
thought him and Jadosi, you
know, he was real upset with

1211
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,400
Jadosi dying.
And he's back, by the way, and

1212
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,960
he's back.
What is he going to think

1213
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,160
whenever Kate Stewart and
Colonel Handsome are together?

1214
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:25,680
They're just holding hands all
around unit.

1215
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,560
All right, well, until probably
the Christmas special.

1216
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:30,880
We'll talk about Doctor Who
again.

1217
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,120
Yeah, maybe.
We'll see.

1218
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,040
We'll see what's going on.
Oh my God.

1219
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,760
All right, so till next time, I
need to get this thing out of my

1220
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:37,000
ass.
Oh.

1221
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,760
My gosh, we're, we're, it's,
it's bad.

1222
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,240
We gotta go.
We gotta go.

1223
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:41,960
It's a bit too much.
Goodbye.