Doctor Who Episode 4 ' 73 Yards' Review & Reaction

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Hey, I'm Derek.
And I'm Noah, and you're

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listening to.
A bite of where we take our

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current favorite pop culture
obsession and enjoy it one

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nibble at a time. 73 yards
apart.

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That's yeah, I'm going to get my
phone out and measure it.

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That's how we do it 73 yards
apart.

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Talking about this new Doctor
Who episode and I feel like this

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is the first episode where I
really just need to talk about

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it.
And with you are watchers and

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listeners, help us understand
it.

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Or maybe that's a point.
Don't understand it but I need

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to.
I think the only way to get

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through it is by talking about
it, so I'm glad we're both here

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today to do it.
Before we get into this timey

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wimey horror infused episode of
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Yeah, on Spotify.

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We're pretty cute.
Crazy, we're both wearing very

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spring inspired attire today.
Yeah, I wish I could wear

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shootie.
Got was Paddington inspired.

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That yellow coat and that orange
hat, he this doctor's just

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knocking it out of the park as
far as fashion is concerned.

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The.
Fits like.

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I just want just a compilation
of all the insane fits for the

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season because.
Holy shit, there must be some at

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the end of it.
There must be some sort of

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secret message they're trying to
tell us through everything.

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That the doctor can look good
too.

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So secret after all.
That's that's the point of it.

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And then down the line, so we're
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episodes, right?
We do have a very special

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surprise coming.
I don't want to jinx it, so I'm

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not going to really say too much
about it, but just just just be

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on the lookout for that.
Leave it at that.

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That's it, I'm done.
All right, spoiler alert, if you

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do not want to be spoiled in any
of the details of 73 Yards, stop

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listening.
All right, you've been warned.

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So let us officially take a bite
of Doctor Who episode 473 Yards,

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written by Russell T Davies and
directed by Dylan Holmes.

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Williams.
Landing on a Cliff in Wales, the

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doctor accidentally breaks a
fairy circle, causing him to

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disappear 73 yards away.
A mysterious old woman follows

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Ruby Sunday.
Wherever she goes, she drives

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anyone away who tries to talk to
her.

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Ruby is left by those she holds
most dear for decades, trying to

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figure out what it is the
peculiar apparition wants.

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That was good.
That was tight.

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I almost didn't get any of those
words out, so that was exciting

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that I made it through.
Before we get into the general

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thoughts of this episode,
actually that's not what I meant

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to say.
I meant to actually say let's

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get into the.
I am in a tiny wimey loop.

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I don't know what's happening.
You're you know what?

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I think that you need to take a
breath because this episode has

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just been driving you mad since
last night.

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It has.
OK, give me your TARDIS eye view

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of this episode.
We are halfway done with season

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one is.
That true?

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Yes.
Oh dear.

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All right, well, so this is so
funny because I feel like when

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we watch things kind of in this
vein, I'm usually the one that's

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like I don't understand this
didn't make sense, blah blah

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blah blah.
It finished last night and I was

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like, got it.
I was like, that was awesome.

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And you're like, but what?
I was like, no, I get it.

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It totally made sense.
I think that, as you all know, I

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love the Twilight Zone.
This was giving me so much

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Twilight Zone vibe that I was
just completely taken in by it.

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IA 100% agree it was weird.
It was like we swap places

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because a lot of times I'm like
it was ambiguous.

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I love that about it.
Like it's just left up to the

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person and usually you're the
one questioning.

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So it was a bizarre situation
all the way around and it was a

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bizarre episode and I loved it.
Oh, I absolutely loved it.

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Loved everything about it and I
do get that Twilight Zone feel

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for it.
I loved that it was like a mix

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between two of my favorite
episodes of Doctor Who, Turn

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Left, which both of these
episodes, if you haven't watched

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them before, you can watch them
on their own.

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So there's a Turn Left, which is
a Donna Noble centric episode,

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and then Midnight, which is a
David Tennant with Donna Noble,

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but it's his episode.
It was so good that they made it

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into a play.
Just saying it's very good.

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But it gave me those vibes from
it and I loved it.

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I enjoyed every minute of it,
but I left it being like, what

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the hell?
I wait, are we do we not know

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what what what happened?
What is this?

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And sometimes I feel like maybe
we'll know by the end of it.

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Or that's the point, yeah.
Like it was just there just to

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confuse you.
One of the things that you've

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kind of always shared about
Doctor Who through the years is

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that sometimes there are just
really tough lives of some of

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the companions or years for the
companions.

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And so this felt very much like
that.

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There is just a entire life of
rubies that's really hard.

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And so like, that's where I took
that.

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But as far as I I wanted to
mention the Twilight Zone

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episodes that I really felt
this.

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Please do.
So I have three.

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One of them is a little bit of a
stretch.

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It's more about how they shot it
than anything else.

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But the first one where I really
see vibes is the hitchhiker,

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right?
So there is that young woman,

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Nan Winters.
She's driving cross country and

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she keeps seeing the apparition
of a man who's saying going my

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way, right?
So we we feel that right,

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especially in the scenes of Ruby
on the Train where that woman is

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just always appearing and she's
there for a reason.

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The second one is an episode
called Nightmare as a Child.

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So this is when that isn't like
that popular, I feel like.

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But there is a woman who comes
home and there's a little girl

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playing on her steps of her
apartment and she feels some

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connection to this little girl.
Is it her little girl?

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It turns out it's her as a child
because she's warning her of

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danger, right?
So again, we see the same person

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split in their lives.
The last one that it reminds me

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of is the After Hours, which is
one of my favorite, right?

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When she comes back and turns
out she's a mannequin, right?

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But spoiler alert.
But the thing that really kind

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of reminded me of this in this
episode of Doctor Who is the

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scene in the pub when there are
those really tight close up

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shots of their faces and they're
talking, right?

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And there's that, there's that
part when she's back on the 13th

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floor and it's like Marsha,
Marsha, get off it, dear.

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And it's just the close-ups of
their faces.

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I really felt like there was so
much inspiration from Twilight

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Zone in this episode.
And you know, two of my favorite

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times of the year are 4th of
July and New Year's because

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there's Twilight Zone, there's
Twilight Zone marathons on.

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So this one just had me right
from the beginning.

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Yeah, it's a very tried and true
tradition.

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And our household, the ABO
household, we actually did some

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episodes on The Twilight Zone.
So you can go back in our

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catalogue and look at that.
We kind of group some episodes

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together of like it was Earth
all along and stuff like that.

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And The Hitchhiker and After
Hours were one of those that we

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talked about.
So if you want to hear our

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thoughts on those, go back.
Yeah, go on the TARDIS and go

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back.
Years ago we covered that.

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Years ago.
That's fun.

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I love all those episodes.
I love it when Doctor Who does

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horror.
It doesn't do it too often.

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It's very rare, but I absolutely
love it because, you know, we

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get the sci-fi, right?
And in this season it really

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seems like a lot of the rules
from the past Doctor Who seasons

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are kind of jumbled up, right?
We got a lot of myths.

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We got the the pantheon, we got
the toy maker, we got the

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maestro.
And it seems like myths and

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legends and gods and stuff like
that are now here.

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And I would say that it's
probably because of fourteens

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taking us all to the edge of the
universe and with Donna Noble

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and all that in the wild blue
Yonder.

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And so that probably is going to
be something that comes back at

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the end of the season.
But I just wanted to throw that

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out there because I feel like
it's as a long time Doctor Who

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fan, it being not so much
sciency is my knee jerk reaction

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to be like this is weird.
I see, you know what I mean.

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The supernatural more is seems
to be taking a foothold in this

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season and I'm like, I like it,
but like a.

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It's different, right?
I have a question for you as a

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long time Doctor Who viewer.
What is Doctor Who's as a

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property?
What's its thoughts on free will

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versus destiny?
It depends.

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Yeah.
On like what Doctor, what story?

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You know, I always do feel like
the Doctor is a champion of free

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will, but because of paradoxes,
because of timing, wimey stuff,

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because of time itself,
sometimes there are those fixed

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points in time where you can't
change it.

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So then that's the whole
conversation of destiny and

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fate.
I think that there are some

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points where you can't change
them and no matter how many

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times you do try to change it,
it's always going to happen

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regardless.
So it depends.

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But I do feel like the Doctor is
always a champion for your

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misunderstanding.
This thing, this thing has a

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mind of its own.
I mean, in space babies, he

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tried to save the boogie
monster.

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Come on.
Like they just thought it was a

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monster.
And he's like, no, everything

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deserves to live.
So I would say that OK.

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Yeah.
All right, So getting into

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really one of our first details
of this episode, there is this

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fairy circle, right?
And as they are walking towards

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this fairy circle, the doctor
tells her of a future Prime

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Minister of the UK.
That's one of the most horrible

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things to ever happen to the
country.

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And so he accidentally steps on
and breaks a twine in this fairy

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circle.
And then he disappears.

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Because he was shooting the
final season of Sex Education.

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Is that really what it was?
That is, yeah, No way.

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Yeah, I like it.
I mean, regardless, like I think

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it's really fun to have a
companion centric episode.

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And also fun fact, at the time
of filming, Millie Gibson is 18

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and this is her first shoot for
Doctor Who.

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So her first time filming for
Doctor Who, she knocked it out

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of the park.
Oh, absolutely.

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And that's a really interesting
fact because if you think about

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it, so much of the magic between
the Doctor and his companion is

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their chemistry.
So it's really kind of like it

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makes sense that they weren't
together much in this episode,

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especially if this is their
first time shooting where they

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didn't need that chemistry on
screen, that they would need

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time to build off screen.
So giving her this moment to

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just shine as herself and really
be Ruby on her own I think is

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interesting for the actor as
well as the character.

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And she I mean phenomenal
performance.

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I love that in Boom, the last
episode, Shooty and Millie, but

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shooty, I mean performance,
series defining performance for

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him.
And in this one, I mean, jeez,

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she layers layers of like acting
and emotion and the genre mixes

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in here, and her having to
sidestep between both of those

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is fantastic.
Not even layers, but years.

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She she had to play Ruby at 20
something, 30 something, 40

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something.
Elderly.

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I mean that's that's range.
I want to, I do want to bring

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up.
So it does seem like so far in

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these four episodes, there's a
theme of the Doctor stepping on

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something like stepping into
something, you know, the first

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episode space babies Ruby or I
guess it's not just the Doctor,

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but so Ruby stepping on the
butterfly and changing the human

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race, right?
The devil's cord.

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I don't really know if there's a
stepping thing that happens in

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there, only that they were
stepping on the road.

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The the zebra keys essentially.
And in the last one stepped on

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the mine and in this one he
stepped on the fairy circle.

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So it's very interesting that
he's not looking where he's

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going.
Yeah, well, maybe that is really

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a core thing with this Doctor,
is that he's constantly leaping

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before he looks, right, Right.
So what does that say about the

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Doctor?
I feel like the Doctor is always

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kind of taking things in and
digesting them and figuring

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things out, but Shooty's Doctor
is always kind of just flying

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out of the TARDIS.
Yeah, and it it, I believe in

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the Devil's Court episode, when
they were first stepped on the

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road, the TARDIS made like a
weird groaning noise.

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And even the Doctor was like,
that's weird.

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Like the talk, the TARDIS is
acting very odd this season.

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So I just wanted to like preface
that with this.

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Is there something to be said
about the fact that it's kind of

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only half a TARDIS it it's
having trouble existing on its

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own?
Maybe right?

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Because he split it.
He hit it with that hammer and

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it was he too.
Very loony tunes.

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Yes, totally.
It really was.

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It was like the, what's that?
Roger Rabbit?

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Yeah, right.
Yeah.

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So this episode again, horror,
the first like I would say 1520

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minutes, amazing like this.
I was like, oh, if the entire

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episode is in this pub, I am so
here for it.

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Even so, the woman being 73
yards away from her, if she goes

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towards her, she's still 73
yards goes away, always

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following her.
That is terrifying and I love

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that.
So there's these episodes called

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Doctor Who Unleashed and it has
everybody, Russell T Davies and

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people talking about the episode
and you get kind of a behind the

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scenes of it.
The reason why it's 73 yards is

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because Russell T Davies wanted
to know the distance of when you

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can't really make out somebody
to recognize them.

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And that was 73 yards.
That's.

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Scary.
That's really.

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I love that.
Little detail and I'm like, that

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makes sense because sometimes
you'll see somebody like across

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the way and you're like, is that
I don't know.

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I can't really tell if that's
them.

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So us being not able to see who
it is and then finding out it's

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Ruby this whole time, that's why
she couldn't tell that it was

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her.
Yeah, that that was really, I

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mean, that's pretty brilliant,
right?

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And I love when we hear about
these, the thoughts they have

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behind the creation of certain
aspects of the show.

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And another thing that's
interesting is that it's not

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just Ruby that can see the
woman.

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Everyone can see her.
They can approach her.

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But when they talk to her, she
says something that scares them

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away.
And so the question is, what is

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it that she says?
And so right there really isn't

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a specific.
Thing yeah OK again on Doctor

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Who unleashed I had to I I just
needed to know right I was like

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this is odd like I'm fine with
by the end of this we're

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probably going to get some
answers right Russell D Davies

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said we will never know what
older Ruby or whoever this woman

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is said to them but essentially
what he said was to the actors

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think of the worst possible
thing to be said to you and

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that's what she says so like
we're never going to know but

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this is where I'm like on to you
Mr. Russell T Davies.

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I don't believe him for a
second.

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I mean, maybe we might not know,
but like I'm taking everything

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he says with a grain of salt
because Susan Twist, right, she

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shows up in this episode and
Ruby kind of recognizes her and

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she has a conversation with her.
So Russell T Davies said, oh, we

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just like ran out of extra.
So we just like hired this

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woman.
I don't believe you.

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Now, like after this episode
with Ruby actually confirming

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like I've seen you before, like
where have I seen you?

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Is fishy, very fishy.
So I mean, maybe another, I'm,

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I'm getting off track here
because I had another question

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for you, but it almost feels
like are we seeing multiple,

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like multiple lives of rubies?
Well.

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OK.
Right.

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And the same people are showing
up in it because it's her life

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and these characters will always
be there.

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So I think there's a
conversation, especially with

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this one, where multiple
timelines is a thing, right?

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And it seems like, see, this
episode is like so like all over

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the place that like even saying
one thing can lead to like 10

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different things.
And what's so wild about this

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episode, though, is that it does
have a very straight through

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line, right?
It's literally just following

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her through the years and her
figuring things out.

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But because of the ending,
everything goes bonkers.

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Right, right, so OK, I'll just
This is why I think in this

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season there's multiple
timelines and that's an issue.

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So when she's talking to Susan
twist very weird.

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She says something that's very
odd.

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I had to go back and re watch it
'cause I was like, did she say

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that when Ruby tells her, hey,
can you go tell that woman like

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I'm sorry, I guess.
And oh also ask her if she's

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seen the doctor and she was
like, oh, do you need a doctor?

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So I feel like she's playing
stupid, but before she walks off

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she says make sure the both of
you go and get warm.

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Who is she taught?
Who's the both of you?

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Because she never prior to that,
she never said anything about

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being with anybody else.
It's just odd.

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I thought she was talking about
the old woman.

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Maybe, but Ruby had told her.
I don't know who she is, so why

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would she couple her with them?
It's and I can watch it.

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It's just strange.
And isn't it weird that she asks

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her if she needs a doctor and
just in the episode prior she

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was a murdering ambulance?
Do you?

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Need a doctor?
Not from you.

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Not from you, lady.
So I've been trying to think

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about what is it that the
mysterious woman says to these

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people.
And I've been thinking that she

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shows them their greatest fear
or she shows them their death.

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Because in my mind, the at the
end of the episode, Ruby is

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dying.
And so that's what allows her to

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kind of see herself young again
and be on the Cliff.

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And so I think in that moment of
death is what transports her.

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And when you talk to her, you
see your own death.

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Maybe I don't.
It's just it's very strange,

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like my what I'm trying to
figure out, and I guess we'll

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never know.
Who knows by the end of this?

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Was that woman always Ruby or
was it something else?

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And then when Ruby finally was
able to confront that thing, she

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became her and was able to stop
the events that led her to that

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point, You know, so it's like it
could be either one that that is

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the fun thing about this, right?
I feel like this episode with

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its like horror roots, political
thriller and all of that, it

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leaves room for you to fill in
the gaps that you want until it

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comes back, right?
Until we get any definitive

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answer, it could be I guess
whatever you want it to be.

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Yeah, I was in my head.
The way that I looked at this

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episode was that, like I said,
this particular Ruby, who is

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with the Doctor when he
disappears, unfortunately has to

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lead a very sad and lonely life.
This is one of my, this is the

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thing I hate about Doctor Who is
like the companions coming to

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the realization that like they
can't be with the Doctor

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anymore.
They've had this fun and

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wonderful and dangerous and
beautiful life with the Doctor,

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short amount of time for some of
them, very long time for some of

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them.
And the scene where she can't

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get back in the TARDIS, which is
like also very intriguing.

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There's this whole thing of like
the theory of like the Doctor

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and the TARDIS being connected
to each other and with the

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Doctor taken out it.
Just lies dormant.

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Who knows, but her talking to
the TARDIS, hoping that the

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Doctor can hear her saying like,
you know, if you come back, I'd

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really love that.
But I guess by and it was so sad

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to see that.
And those are the things that

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like I dread with Doctor Who is
the ending of the companion

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story, because the companion is
meant to be us.

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Like I could be a companion.
Companions are usually like, you

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know, normal.
Ordinary people, a temp like

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Donna Noble, like she's not
special even though everybody is

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special.
So having those endings and then

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them confronting it with it.
And then this episode goes

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further and it just shows her
life and she's without the

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doctor.
She's tried to date, she's tried

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to have a fulfilling life.
And maybe she did, but she was

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undercover the whole time trying
to take down this Prime

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Minister, so it's just really
sad.

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I mean, how could you date and
have a normal life when, first

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of all, that apparition scares
your mom away, and second of

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all, there's just always an old
lady watching?

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Yeah, and you can't date.
How can you concentrate?

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She's just over there doing like
the OA symbols like.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's like, she's doing the

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Macarena.
I'm like, what is she doing?

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I'm like she's trying to send a
message.

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She wasn't.
Yeah, you better make sure you

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have like a small apartment
that's not like something for

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yards in your bathroom the whole
time.

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Get out of here, lady.
Leave me alone.

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But I mean, by the end of it,
she kind of befriends her.

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She's like, hey, good seeing
you.

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Love you.
Yeah.

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On top of like all the layers
and genres that this is the base

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of the episode is like what
happens when everybody abandons

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you in your life.
Everybody abandons her.

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She has nobody left from her
mother, her grandmother,

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Everybody has gone, the Doctor
to her dates and her sitting at

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the Cliff with the TARDIS all
covered in Moss and flowers and

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all these other things that
people don't know why they put

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him there and how she's like, I
wasn't alone.

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Like, that's a good thing,
right?

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I had this thing, this shadow
following me the whole time.

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And even though everybody left
me, that was there.

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So it's like a very bittersweet,
sad thing for her to like,

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realize and say out loud when
she's on her deathbed.

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Yeah, I don't like it.
I'm just throwing out a theory

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that obviously is not true, but
I just want to say it just

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because I think it's fun.
What if old Ruby is the one that

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drops baby Ruby off at the
church?

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There is a lot of theories of
like is so the question is like,

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what is Ruby?
Ruby is the girl that makes

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snow.
Ruby is like the thing that the

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maestro doesn't know the doctors
scanning doesn't even know.

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There's something weird about
her.

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And I feel like maybe this whole
episode was showcasing some of

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her power, even though she
doesn't realize it because when

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they first go there, she's like,
I've only been to, you know,

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here twice.
At the end of the episode, she

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said she's been there three
times, and he's like, three

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times.
So it was the third time.

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And she's like, now.
So even though that timeline got

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erased or everything in the
events of the episode got

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erased, she still has some
underlying memory of what

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happened.
So it's very odd.

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I'm still throwing it out there.
OK, I think Ruby is music.

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I think Ruby.
It's too close to the Maestro,

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though.
But the maestro isn't music.

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The maestro steals music.
I think Ruby is song.

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I think that she is timeless,
and I think that music can bring

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you back to a time when you
were.

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Younger, I feel like that seems
more likely, but I would, I

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personally wouldn't say song
just because it's too close to

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the Maestro and it feels like
everything we've gotten from the

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Pantheon so far is like a
particular sector, right?

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I feel like it's too close to
the Maestro.

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I would say more let's go on the
time route.

449
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,120
Like is there something where
she is time or something?

450
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:34,160
Or maybe she's Christmas.
She's the spirit of.

451
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,480
She's Saint Nick.
Hello.

452
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,240
Hello.
She's the spirit of Christmas.

453
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,400
Saint Nicholas.
Yeah, it's actually Ruby.

454
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,840
Yeah, I think we we're getting
little tiny bread crumbs still.

455
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:47,880
She's.
Easter Sunday, No.

456
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:55,880
Surprise, she's the Bunny.
No side and eggs.

457
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,320
No all.
Over time.

458
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,480
So in this episode, what did you
think about the whole scene that

459
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,840
takes place in the pub?
I loved it, right, because

460
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:11,800
there's it's so fun to have her
in the pub with these people and

461
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,680
the danger is so far away and
blurry, but we're still so

462
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,280
scared of it, right?
And again, this is really when

463
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,360
they play with a lot of camera
angles of when they're kind of

464
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,000
creating this tale of Mad Jack
and everything that's going on.

465
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,240
It's it, it's frightening.
And I think they do a lot of

466
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,560
bait and switches here.
When she asks if she can pay

467
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,400
with her phone and they don't.
They're playing like she can.

468
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,760
You're like, wait, what time is
it?

469
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,720
What universe is it?
But it's actually just now,

470
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,600
right?
So I think that they had a real

471
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,680
a lot of fun in this scene.
I liked it a lot.

472
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,320
I, I thought it amped up the
horror element a little bit.

473
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,520
There was a part of me like
towards the end where I was

474
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,360
like, OK, you guys are like
being mean too long.

475
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,840
Like let's there's sarcasm going
to only get you so far.

476
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:56,360
Like you have a visitor giving
you more business inside from

477
00:24:56,360 --> 00:25:02,320
these three chumps that are. £65
a night, £5 for a coke.

478
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,240
Coke.
Yeah.

479
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,760
No, I don't know.
No, thank you.

480
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,720
That's a lot, yeah.
I also did like the little there

481
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,080
was a part where she mentions
fairy circles and the girl looks

482
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,560
at the guy, Josh I think was his
name and she's like he knows all

483
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,640
about that.
And then he also says I'd be the

484
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,320
first one to die, which is the
trope of yeah, a minority

485
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,960
usually dies first in a horror
thing.

486
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,600
And so we love a queer emo in a
small town.

487
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:25,960
Hello.
And they love him.

488
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,640
They always hang out at the pub
together, apparently.

489
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,880
The What did you think about the
political thriller aspect of

490
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,280
this?
So I liked it because it gave a

491
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,960
purpose to Ruby having to live
this life by herself, you know,

492
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,400
And I think without that it
would have just been really sad.

493
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,280
But it was this Ruby's mission,
you know, she finally figures

494
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,640
out that that's the point.
And so, you know, was it a

495
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,560
little clunky that when they're
getting out of the TARDIS, the

496
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,480
Doctor just happens to mention
this horrible Prime Minister?

497
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,400
Yes, it definitely was an info
drop.

498
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,480
But you know, we needed that to
realize what was the point.

499
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,160
Side No.
I do think it's interesting that

500
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,640
the Doctor said like he's the
worst Prime Minister in history

501
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,360
when Prime Minister Saxton, who
turned out to be the Master back

502
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,280
in like past seasons is the
thing.

503
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,360
So like Doctor, don't give it to
him yet.

504
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,120
Well, yeah, I mean, maybe
there's a difference between,

505
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:22,880
you know, the master and nuclear
war.

506
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,800
Hey, the Master was world
domination.

507
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,960
You know it.
It is also interesting that at

508
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,480
the restart at the end of the
episode, he starts mentioning

509
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,720
the Prime Minister and then gets
interrupted.

510
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,240
So there's that layer of like,
he mentioned it before they

511
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,280
stepped on the thing.
So is he himself because he's a

512
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:49,360
A, a complex temporal event?
Is he himself not able to piece

513
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,560
together which timeline or
what's happening?

514
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,800
Because I find it very
interesting that prior to

515
00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:00,520
breaking the fairy circle which
lets Mad Jack out, he knew that

516
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,520
it was a thing.
Right.

517
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,520
But she changed it.
She stopped him from becoming.

518
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,880
But then he started saying it
again but gets interrupted.

519
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,840
So it's very it's, it's time.
So that's the question, right?

520
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,680
Is is this a complete new
timeline or is this them

521
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,920
reliving that timeline but with
the change?

522
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,680
There is a a conversation with
Kate Stewart, the unit director,

523
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,880
when they meet in a very like
political thriller way where

524
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,640
they're like in a open air cafe
and they're talking about.

525
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,120
We got eyes on a.
Yeah, and there's tons of agents

526
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,760
everywhere, but she did say
something.

527
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,640
Where maybe your timeline is
side by side to something else

528
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,760
like she said something along
those lines and I was like, OK,

529
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,320
so UNIT is aware of alternate
timelines, the multiverse.

530
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,920
Honestly, I'm getting confused
because I feel like, right, we

531
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,560
did Loki season 2 and then we
just did X-Men 97 and now we're

532
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,720
in Doctor Who and they're all
about timelines and fixed points

533
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,080
and I'm just, I'm trying to keep
it straight in my head.

534
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,920
It's not working.
And we also did A3 body problem

535
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,640
which dealed with like bending
space and oh.

536
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,920
Dear Lord, Dear Lord.
But so I do, I do find that

537
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,200
interesting that there is this
open conversation of alternate

538
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,160
timelines and things changing.
I mean, is there still a

539
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,040
timeline out there where the
Doctor completely disappears and

540
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,600
UNIT and Ruby and everybody are
left to, I don't know, protect

541
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,520
Earth without the Doctor?
What does that look?

542
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,120
Like, is it like Buffy the
Vampire Slayer that when one

543
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,240
doctor disappears, another one
appears?

544
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,960
Well, there are no more time
warrants.

545
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,680
He's the last last.
But I mean like how how how the

546
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,880
Doctor is kind of regenerated,
right?

547
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,680
So does that mean that there
will be another one popping up

548
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,200
somewhere else or because Judy
is gone?

549
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,640
Well, it depends if the Doctor's
like, actually erased.

550
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,640
I mean, if he dies he
regenerates, but if he's erased

551
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,240
he can't regenerate.
So that's the question.

552
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,080
See like.
But no, this was like literally

553
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,240
the first thing that I mentioned
and we went on a total other

554
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,080
thing because my next question
was why does he disappear?

555
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,000
Right.
I don't know.

556
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,920
I have no idea.
That's that's where I'm thinking

557
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,680
that this was all Ruby.
I think this was very much Ruby

558
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,680
because everything that he kind
of seems to mention or like he

559
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,000
started talking about the fairy
circle and everything, it's

560
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,120
like, you know, it's meant to
keep things in.

561
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,280
And then that happened and it
was almost like she, because of

562
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,200
what happens, knows that like
I'm the only one that can save

563
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,800
this thing.
So he needs to go away and I

564
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,360
need to play the long game to
save this timeline from this

565
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,360
Prime Minister.
I have no idea.

566
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,000
See, that's where it gets all
jumbly.

567
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,040
I will say the political
thriller stuff heavy.

568
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,800
You know, we got that.
The other assistant Marty, which

569
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,560
I do feel like it was insinuated
that he might have assaulted her

570
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,800
inside.
And this being an election year

571
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,760
in the US, I'm like, I don't, I
don't want I, I know it's

572
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,080
important, but I'm just like, it
was too familiar.

573
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,240
And I feel like a lot of
countries in the world are like,

574
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,560
I can see this thing reflected
in my real world.

575
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,600
Didn't like it, but I understood
the point.

576
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,320
Yeah, I this is really
completely out of left field,

577
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:14,400
but I just watched a short 60
minute segment about a new play

578
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,080
by Moises Kaufman that's based
on a photo album found of a

579
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,600
soldier, a Nazi at Auschwitz,
right?

580
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,520
And how these Nazis, they had
festivals, they sang, and

581
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,160
meanwhile they are killing
millions of of people, but they

582
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,760
lived a life that they were
happy with.

583
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,520
And so they, in this interview,
spoke to a woman who had

584
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,760
survived and she never saw the
rest of her family again.

585
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,200
And one of the things she said,
and I'm paraphrasing, is she

586
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,600
said something like, humans are
the most dangerous animal, and

587
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,520
all they need is permission to
be horrible and they'll take it.

588
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,640
And so we're seeing that in our
lives here and also in this

589
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,440
episode of that this horrendous,
horrific person can come to

590
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,960
power because the people have
given him permission to, Right?

591
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,760
And so he's not only dangerous
because of nuclear weapons and

592
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,560
wanting to just use one because
he can, but he's also a horrible

593
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,240
person to the people around him
constantly, including this young

594
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,040
woman.
Yeah.

595
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,400
So it's it's terrible.
Yeah.

596
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,600
You know, I'm a little confused
on, you know, he did this whole

597
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,200
speech.
I think in the the interview or

598
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,600
the pre taping of it where he
talks about he wants to secure

599
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,800
the borders and all that stuff
we we've heard, right?

600
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,680
It's very xenophobic.
It's very like othering and it's

601
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,480
like what I don't think like I
wish this episode was 10 more

602
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,960
minutes longer, especially for
this political part, because

603
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,400
while I found it engaging, I
wanted a little more because it

604
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,840
seemed like his switch into
being awful.

605
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,920
He was always awful, but like I
wanted a little more because him

606
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,120
just saying I wanted nukes.
It's like for what?

607
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,120
Like I know to use them, but
like I I personally wanted like

608
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,800
more of like what is his plan
here?

609
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,880
I'm glad he didn't get to it or
do it, but that's my only

610
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,000
critique with this episode.
It's like 45 minutes was a

611
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,960
little short personally for like
how layered this episode was.

612
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,920
Sometimes it's just about power.
Yeah, and you know, just being a

613
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,280
mad person.
He's mad Jack, right?

614
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,560
Also, I think the another big
question we have here is what

615
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,520
was with the grass on the pitch?
Don't go on the grass.

616
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,880
Don't touch the grass.
I'm, you know, any of our UK

617
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,120
listeners like, is that like a
respect thing Maybe?

618
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,160
I don't know, I have no idea.
They were they they had a gun on

619
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,840
her because she was on the
grass.

620
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,520
I did like how she got rid of
the Prime Minister.

621
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,400
She was like, oh, like this is
like what I'm supposed to do?

622
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,560
So her counting and like making
sure it lined right up with him.

623
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,120
Another sort of info Dumphy
thing again, was right before

624
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,680
she does that, right before she
makes him speak to the woman,

625
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,440
the kind of campaign had
campaign persons like oh, look

626
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,440
at that.
He says hi to everyone even

627
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,760
though he's, you know, such a
big guy Now it's like, oh, OK,

628
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,880
so then he'll definitely say hi
to the woman because she's on

629
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,160
stage with him.
But like, if a random old lady

630
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,160
appeared next to me, I'd just be
like, whoa, hi, you know, I

631
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,480
don't think we needed them to be
like, he talks to everyone.

632
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,680
Well, I also think though, as
part of the perception of like

633
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,960
these awful people being like
seeming like they're good people

634
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,000
around everybody, but like,
they're truly awful, right?

635
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,840
That's how I got that.
But you bringing that up and

636
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,880
like, oh, OK, I could see how
that relates to it.

637
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:31,160
I want to say I need to know
Ruby's skin care routine because

638
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,400
even though I loved and loved
the way this whole episode was

639
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,600
shot, but especially her going
through the years with the card

640
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,640
and then her drinking that glass
of wine, looking out at her

641
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,600
perpetual shadow.
She looked amazing.

642
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,520
Like she just put glasses on,
had a wig and she's like, I'm

643
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,560
40.
They said as you get older, the

644
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,560
only thing that changes is that
your hair gets bigger.

645
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,920
And you drink wine, right?
Regularly I.

646
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,760
Mean, which is very true, that
is.

647
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,200
Correct.
True.

648
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,760
I just, yeah, I, I thought she,
she looked great.

649
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,560
I did want to say, though, that
I loved that the way that we

650
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,960
knew time was passing was that
every time she was looking out

651
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,040
the window at the woman, there
was a different birthday card.

652
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:11,639
Yeah, that's what I just said.
But fine.

653
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,159
Yeah.
No, it was a again, that's like,

654
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,320
I love like that silent
storytelling.

655
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,960
It's like, OK, more time has
passed by.

656
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,840
And then when it said 40 years,
I was like girl, like damn.

657
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,760
I think it would have been great
if she was 73 years old when

658
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,560
she, whatever is happening in
that hospital, lights off or

659
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,280
whatever.
I am kind of curious though,

660
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,320
like why they didn't do aging
makeup on her.

661
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,800
There is an episode that is in
Matt Smith's era with Amy Pond,

662
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,239
and it's called The Girl Who
Waits.

663
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,080
Watch that episode.
I watch every episode.

664
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,239
I'm going to stop saying this,
but I'm actually going to show

665
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,920
you this episode.
He's pointing at me.

666
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,080
He's pointing at me, pointing
very vigorously.

667
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,520
I'm going to show you this
episode because it's fantastic

668
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,640
and Harkins to this a lot.
But Amy ages right and they put

669
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,040
this makeup on her and like,
like, Dang, like the years

670
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,760
really went on you.
So it was, it was an interesting

671
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,640
choice to like, just give her
glasses a wig and.

672
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,880
Well, I mean, she was only like
43 and excuse me, I'm going to

673
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,560
be 39 next week.
Oh, OK.

674
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,240
I don't know, that bad.
Roll back to the tapes of our

675
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,240
first episode.
Oh, my God, baby.

676
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,920
Smooth skin.
Although I do have a lot of Gray

677
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,920
chest hair showing right now.
Silver, silver.

678
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,160
We call it silver.
Yeah.

679
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,960
But I think that, yeah, we could
have maybe done with a little

680
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,920
more makeup.
But, you know, they were like,

681
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,240
it's our first episode.
Don't put too much makeup on it.

682
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,920
What did you think about all the
stuff with her mother and her

683
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,000
grandmother?
I love seeing them again.

684
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,680
Yeah, but it like, it's so scary
to think about.

685
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,040
What does this woman say to them
that would make them disown

686
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,160
their pride and joy, the thing
they love most in the world?

687
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,280
I think there's a interesting
thing to think about with that.

688
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,440
The way you put that is that we
all act that way.

689
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,840
We all have this perception that
somebody could take away the

690
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,760
closest people to us from how
somebody perceives us or them

691
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,160
telling them something.
You know what I mean?

692
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,840
Like that feeling of like this
could always go away with

693
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,040
somebody just saying something
about me, even if it's bad or

694
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,160
not.
But like, I don't know, that's

695
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,840
just that's the feeling I got
with it.

696
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,200
And like the scene with her
running after her mom in the

697
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:34,120
taxi one Carla looking like a
boss in that taxi when it was

698
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,280
like driving by her.
She was like.

699
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,520
She was like I.
Don't think she might as well

700
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,640
just done that.
Devastating.

701
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,040
And for this to be her first
time, like filming for Doctor

702
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,880
Who, tears so sad.
Her sitting outside of the house

703
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,640
after she's locked out, that was
messed up.

704
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,920
Knowing and just like hearing
the most worst possible things

705
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,120
that could be said to you, It's
like, yeah, no wonder your mom

706
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,520
didn't want you.
It's like what is.

707
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,720
Wrong with you, you know we have
to.

708
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,920
So, OK, so old mystery Ruby,
right?

709
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,120
Has to say the worst thing to a
person because they cannot

710
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,960
disrupt this timeline.
They can't take her off the path

711
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,080
she's going on.
Yeah.

712
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,760
And so she needs to be with her,
Ruby needs to be with Ruby until

713
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,960
she's on the field, on the pitch
with that Prime Minister.

714
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,480
To make him run away.
Right, so she needs to drive

715
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,040
everyone away from her because
she cannot stop it otherwise

716
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,920
it's nuclear.
War which is insane.

717
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,360
It's so sad.
Yeah.

718
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:41,880
Now another question I have is
when old Ruby is laying in that

719
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,640
bed in the hospital and the
figure is coming closer and

720
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,680
closer, why is it that we're
only seeing the back of the

721
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,320
figure?
I couldn't tell if it was the

722
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,480
back or she just had a hair in
front of her.

723
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,840
Oh.
She's doing garage, She's she's

724
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,280
doing the ring.
Maybe, you know, so the actor

725
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,160
that plays that woman is a
different woman that plays older

726
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,640
Ruby.
And I feel like they did that

727
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,360
production wise to throw off the
scent of like, this could be

728
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,640
Ruby, you know?
So maybe we didn't fully see her

729
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,160
face because they didn't want to
be like that.

730
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,880
Wasn't Ruby, even though it's
supposed to imply it is Ruby.

731
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,960
And maybe because she's always
so far away from her, she

732
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,400
doesn't know what her face looks
like.

733
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,600
Well, I mean, even UNIT with
their advanced technology, they

734
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,680
couldn't even get a picture of
her.

735
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,640
So maybe it's just the whole
thing.

736
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,560
In this episode, they do bring
up the perception filter again.

737
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,600
It's been gone for a while.
So the perception filter can

738
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,560
literally just make you perceive
anything.

739
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,800
And so I'm partly curious of
like, you know, Ruby gets told

740
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,440
that there's the whole circle
thing and stuff.

741
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,440
And maybe because the TARDIS
landing near it or on it, the

742
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,880
the older woman in the pub
talked about like the stilted

743
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,160
man and the the veil between
like the sea and the land.

744
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,160
And with the TARDIS being right
there, was the whole perception

745
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,600
of everything skewed or was it
made to look like something else

746
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,320
or.
I don't know.

747
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,120
Yeah.
It's just Or is it that it

748
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:09,200
landed between 2 realities and
and they just split from there?

749
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,600
The the whole scene in the
hospital 1 Ruby being like,

750
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,680
yeah, we had Alexa with me
growing up.

751
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,040
I know.
Thank you, nurse lady.

752
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,280
Yeah, it's like that meme of
like when it's like the child

753
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,600
walking the old lady and she's
like, back in my day we had

754
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,600
compact discs and they're like,
OK grandma, like that's what it

755
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,000
felt like.
That whole scene was terrifying.

756
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,720
Yeah.
Oh I loved it with the IT going

757
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,680
to her then going to old her
then like creepy her and the

758
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,040
lights going in and out.
Production.

759
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,240
Yeah.
And apparently Ghost Ruby or

760
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,960
whatever.
Harry Ruby also knew to do

761
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,520
lights on, lights off, or
whatever because she kept

762
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,600
shutting them off.
She was like lights.

763
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:46,880
Lights.
Lights.

764
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,360
It was Ellie Goulding.
Yeah, it was Ellie Goulding.

765
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,920
And then you know, her finally
being able to the scene with

766
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,920
just her hands and you realizing
that it's her beautifully shot

767
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,760
and her being able to finally
tell Ruby don't step, don't

768
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,840
step.
And so it warned the doctor not

769
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,920
to step, which is really
interesting, that.

770
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,120
It broke the time loop, I'm
assuming because this had to

771
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,320
have happened how many times or
in different timelines for her

772
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:18,960
to finally breakthrough until
this Ruby don't step to prevent

773
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,760
all of the stuff from happening.
It's very it's timey wimey, it's

774
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,280
confusing.
I'm really really really.

775
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,320
Yeah, so it, you know, it really
does.

776
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,200
It to show at the end.
Sorry season, sorry.

777
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,560
I think it really is separate
timelines.

778
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,600
It has to be because by her
showing up and getting him to

779
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,640
not step on it, he can't even
remember the name of the Prime

780
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,920
Minister anymore.
So it's totally different

781
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,720
because then what's the point?
You know, if her, if she can't

782
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,120
survive any more than she
doesn't stop the Prime Minister

783
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,640
from becoming Prime Minister.
So it has to be a separate

784
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,040
timeline.
You're thinking like a Doctor

785
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,080
Who viewer.
The more you question it,

786
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,600
sometimes the more it's like
wait.

787
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,120
Am I in the Tardis?
Yeah, it's interesting.

788
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,080
There's a whole thing of
paradoxes and time loops and

789
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,240
everything, and then there's the
supernatural element.

790
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,880
You know, I I don't know, I
mean, this episode for me, 10

791
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,880
out of 10, I really, really,
really enjoyed it.

792
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,360
Do you have any final thoughts?
I wrap it up.

793
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,760
No, I was just going to say I
like this much better than the

794
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,480
last episode.
I actually this was better than

795
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,240
Boom.
Oh, man, yeah.

796
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,000
This was like, you know, again,
I'm always here for a strong,

797
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,360
you know, female leads.
So that was exciting.

798
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,600
And I just thought it brought so
many elements.

799
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,480
This is my type of horror.
I like creepy horror,

800
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,960
psychological horror.
I don't like murdering people.

801
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,640
I don't like torturing people.
This is right in my wheelhouse.

802
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,240
SO2.
Thumbs up.

803
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,160
Two thumbs up.
Yeah, I final thoughts.

804
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,920
Great.
Really enjoyed it.

805
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,080
I'm very excited to see where
this goes.

806
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,200
It is one of those episodes
where the answers will come when

807
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,840
they come.
Maybe sometimes they don't, but

808
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,800
sometimes that's a good thing.
Like the ambiguity.

809
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,320
We've had this whole
conversation of like, literally,

810
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,800
we were here for like, what, 30
minutes talking about what this

811
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,480
could mean, and it could mean
any one of those.

812
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,720
Things I want to sit down and
write the letters out of Ruby

813
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:13,680
Sunday and see if it's like a
mixed.

814
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:16,320
Up if it.
If it really spells something

815
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,320
else, Oh.
Man, well, so let us know what

816
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,080
you thought you know.
Add us anywhere ABO

817
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,480
nipples@gmail.com Our mailbox is
always open.

818
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,440
So yeah, until next week, till
episode 5.

819
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,920
Here we go.
Oh dot and bubble social media

820
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,880
commentary.
Oh my.

821
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,120
Gosh, not social media.
You know, what's really funny is

822
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,120
that that episode seems like
it's Ruby and Doctor Light,

823
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,280
right?
So it's like, we got a very

824
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,840
heavy Doctor episode, we got a
companion episode, and now

825
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,280
they're just going to be like on
a screen.

826
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,920
I'm already getting feelings of
it's the Circle meets that one

827
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,000
Black Mirror episode with Bryce
Dallas Howard.

828
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,520
Oh, nose dive, Yeah.
Very good.

829
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,040
I guess we'll see what.
Happens.

830
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,280
Oh my God, see you next.
Week bye.