'Doctor Who' Lucky Day Review | Season 2 Episode 4

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If there's one thing that this
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me, it's that you can't trust
podcasters.

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Noah and their deep, dark agenda
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And murder.

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2 Episode 4, Lucky Day, Yeah.
Oh, we're halfway through the

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season.
Halfway through the season of

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Lies.
I'm Noah.

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That's Derek.
So we're on another Doctor Light

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episode.
Will this compare to 73 yards?

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Who can say us?
We will say.

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Vinshuti's run of Doctor Who,
and this episode specifically.

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Yes, so let us officially take a
bite of Doctor Who Season 2

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Episode 4 Lucky Day, written by
Peter Mcteague and directed by

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Peter Whore.
The Vindicator anchors in 2007

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where the Doctor and Belinda
bump into a young Conrad Clark.

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Amazed by what he has seen,
Conrad spends his life tracking

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down the Doctor and eventually
finds the one and only Ruby

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Sunday.
Conrad and Ruby grow close, but

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what seems like a blossoming
relationship is actually an evil

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plot or Ruby.
Or Ruby.

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What did you think overall?
Oh, oh good I I think this is

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episode is very good.
I'm still I still question

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having these types of episodes
in such a short run of Doctor

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Who.
I like them.

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Last season, 73 yards I thought
was amazing.

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It was one of my favorite
episodes.

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This one, I honestly think it's
a very good episode of

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television.
Pushed Ruby's story forward a

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little more, even though we
haven't really seen Ruby this

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season.
But also it makes me question

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like, do we need the OR not not
do we need them?

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But with such a short run, I
don't know.

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It's more like, can we get to
the story?

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Like there's still so many
questions that we have.

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And I'm curious if this just
almost stops the momentum for

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the season.
Well, I think that.

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So if you're comparing this to
73 yards, it's kind of like a

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stand alone Ruby episode.
I thought, personally, I thought

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73 yards was more entertaining.
It kind of had me more on the

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edge of my seat.
But I didn't think 73 yards

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really did anything to progress
the plot of that season

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necessarily.
Whereas this one, if I think,

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you know, they're doing what
they're doing, like if I'm

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correcting that thought, this is
really the point where things

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start going bad and why the
doctor and Melinda can't get

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back to 2025.
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I mean, I will say this one, if
we're going to compare the 73

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yards in this, 173 yards didn't
really push the plot as much as

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this one did, especially in the
end because we have a new

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villain and we have another
mysterious figure kind of taking

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a villain into the fold in some
capacity.

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So there is stuff that is
setting up, I agree, but I don't

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know, it's just more of like,
ah, where's the Doctor?

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You know, like, I mean, we can
have episodes without it.

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But I will say if this is like a
soft pilot for a UNIT episode or

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if the Land in the Sea spin off
series is going to be anything

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like of this caliber, I'm very
excited for that.

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That is totally what it also
felt like to me, like they were

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testing a spin off series.
And you know, it's always funny

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when they do stuff like that
'cause they try and like sneak

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it in.
It's like when they try, when

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parents try to sneak vegetables
into their kids meals.

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It's like we're enjoying it, but
we know something's off.

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Yeah, they're trying to do
something else here.

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It's not.
As bad as when Stranger Things

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try to do a spin off in the
middle of their season.

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Yeah, these kids with power.
Yeah.

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So overall, I really like this
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I think the twists, there was a
few twists in here where

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genuinely I did not know that
they were going to happen.

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So that was a fun surprise.
But I think the biggest thing

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here is Ruby, right?
I was so excited to have Belinda

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and Ruby finally meet and
interact.

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Unfortunately, we didn't get
that in this episode.

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So that's my expectation.
That was not met the thought on

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the show.
But I really can't wait for them

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to meet.
I just can.

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We just have like a third series
with all three of them

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traveling.
I would love that so much.

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That would be really cool.
So Ruby had her solo episode

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last season and now Ruby has a
solo episode this season, but

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Belinda doesn't seem like she
like it doesn't seem like she's

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going to get a solo episode.
That to me seems unbalanced and

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unfair.
Well, I do think this season is

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still doing some weird parallels
with the first season.

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Again, I don't know if that's
intentional or not, but it is

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interesting that we're seeing
parallels again through the

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season, specifically with Ruby
Sunday.

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I always find it really
fascinating when we catch up

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with companions after the Doctor
has left their lives.

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And you know, a lot of times in
Doctor Who, the saddest thing

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isn't necessarily when the
companion dies, cause a lot of

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times the companion doesn't
necessarily die.

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It's more the, the death of the
friendship, which is just

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equally as sad because we know
we're not going to see these

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people again.
So when we do see them, like in

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this case for Ruby, we can see
how the time with the Doctor has

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changed them for the good or the
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And picking up with Ruby here
and seeing how she almost feels

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a little lost, but she has some
PTSD.

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But traveling with the Doctor
with the world ending, she, I

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think she said in this episode
that, you know, she saw

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everything turn to dust and she
hasn't really processed that.

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I think she's always still
waiting to hear the TARDIS and

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to be swept away again.
Yeah, that's one of the, IT

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almost seems one of the
dangerous things of being a

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companion of the doctor is,
well, first you might die, but

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you go through a lot of trauma,
and then he kind of says goodbye

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to you and he keeps going on his
adventures and living that life,

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and you're left to your own
devices, basically.

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And I think we really see that
here with Sunday and I think

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with Sunday with Ruby Sunday,
because something else that I

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think we need to talk about with
Ruby is that she's constantly

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being left by people, right?
She has a obviously has an issue

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of abandonment with her bio
mother.

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And granted, they've been
reunited at this point, but that

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was really her main thing
throughout the whole first

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season was trying to figure out
who her mother is.

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And so she once again is being
abandoned by someone she loves

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and again, with really no way to
contact them.

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And so being through wars,
having lived an entire life and

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73 yards and all the all these
different things, it's really

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left her kind of in shambles.
And I think that's a very

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realistic portrayal of someone
who's gone through these things.

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I will say it was very nice to
see Jerry and Carlo again and

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Louise thrown into the mix now,
which is just lovely to see

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Ruby's extended family and
immediate family of different

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sorts kind of hang out together.
I just, it's just so I don't

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know.
I didn't know how much I missed

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them until I saw them, so I wish
they were more of a regular on

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this.
That's why I really want just.

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Ruby, can you come back?
You were gone too quickly.

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I need all of you back.
Well I don't know, will she be

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in the UNIT spin off if they do
one?

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Or you think she'll just jump
back in the TARDIS?

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I don't know, maybe I, I mean,
we don't really know much about

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the last two episodes of the
season.

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So I'm hoping that she will come
through and she'll be with our

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current companion and Doctor.
But it's really for us to see.

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I think this episode was really
fucked up and what it did.

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So we meet Conrad, which we meet
him in 2007 when he's a child.

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We see that he his mother's an
alcoholic and she hits him a

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little bit.
So he's going through his own

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thing.
But he runs into the Doctor in

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Belinda and he's just fascinated
by that, right?

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He kind of becomes maybe
obsessed with it.

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Maybe it's the thing that could
take him away from his home

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situation.
But he never saw the Doctor

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again.
And I think seeing these two

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people, Conrad and Ruby, Ruby
went with the Doctor and we see

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the side effects of that.
Conrad never got to go with the

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Doctor and we see the side
effects of that.

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So I think it's a interesting
kind of character study with

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both of them on, like how one
side can go way far this way and

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the other one needs some healing
and some time to themselves and

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not waiting to hear that TARDIS
noise.

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Yeah, it's so interesting, the
effect that the doctor has on

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people.
It's like whether you're with

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him or you're not with him, you
become obsessed with him and

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what he can do.
Hence this podcast.

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And here we are, another two
victims of the doctor.

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I think for Conrad, he was
looking for an escape.

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He was looking for a way to get
out of the life that he was

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living.
And unfortunately, he was left

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wanting.
And so he really dedicates his

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life to trying to figure out
what's going on, but somehow

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that turns into him not
believing in the doctor or not

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thinking it's true.
And so it's like it takes a

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weird turn for Conrad.
Yeah, so the biggest twist in

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this episode is finding out that
Conrad, while being obsessed and

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kind of luring Ruby in with the
photo that he took of them when

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the doctor and Ruby were doing
their adventures, and then

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turning in pretty much doing
this elaborate prank on UNIT and

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Ruby and just.
I mean, they were dating for

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weeks.
And like Ruby, you hear from

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like her whole family unit,
like, oh, you haven't had a

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boyfriend.
Finally you have somebody else

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and everything.
They were so happy for her.

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And then for that to be
completely shattered and it was

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a lie is devastating.
But I think it shows that

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Conrad, you know, he was
abandoned probably multiple

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times.
And he maybe just felt jealous

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and slighted by the doctor.
Like, why Ruby?

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Why did Ruby get to go do that?
Why is Belinda getting to do

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that?
Why can't I do that?

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What made me not so special, You
know, the doctor spent time to

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give him a A50P and it was like,
it's your lucky day.

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But then he got smacked by his
mother and he left him.

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So like, is it really his lucky
day?

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It's one of those things as
simple as, I don't know, he just

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felt wronged even though he
really wasn't wronged and he

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felt like he was entitled to
more that he got.

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I mean, So what we're saying is,
is that he represents straight

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white men on this Earth, on this
planet.

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Yeah.
And just people that think like

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they know that they're lying,
they know that they're lying,

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it's just relentless noise and
that's all that they are.

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And even when he's literally
living through these horrors and

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these science fiction, you know,
tales come to life, he's still

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spewing out lies and still
saying it's make up.

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And so he's a frustrating
character to watch, obviously

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because of what he does to Ruby,
but then how he even progresses

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and presents himself throughout
the rest of the episode, I mean.

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Also, to convince all your
friends to do this is just wild.

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I mean, maybe they're not even
friends.

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It's just this think tank
bullshit of an organization.

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It's very like Joe Rogan ask
like, you know, just a weird

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cult following of people that I
think they know that they're

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wrong, but they just they're
loud and they want to just

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oppress people.
And I don't know, He said, I

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think Conrad when they were
recording, he said something

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like he looked at Shirley and it
was like, look at her.

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She's taking benefits.
And it's like, are you kidding?

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Like, I don't know.
I I think the whole twist and

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everything like that was just so
shocking that I don't know.

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I didn't expect them to go this.
Far at first I thought it was

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just a punked type show and so
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really evil.
But then as he kept talking and

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they brought all the cameras and
they were going live and they

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were recording them, it was like
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wrap my mind around everything

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that was going on.
He just was like, weaponizing

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it.
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And it became really just gross.
And I know, exploitative.

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Yeah, I I feel so bad for Ruby
just seeing the look on.

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Also, can we give it up for
Billy Gibson?

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I mean, jeez Louise.
Like, so fantastic, just the

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look in her face and how it just
progressively gets more

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devastated and just of course,
of course this happened to me.

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Especially when she it seems
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herself up to someone finally.
And you know, that point that

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you made about Cherry and Carla
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from the outside, they can see
that she's stuck, that Ruby is

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not herself and she's trying to
find herself.

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for them to be like, oh, you're

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you're trying something new.
You're getting out of your shell

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again.
We can see a little bit of

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yourself.
And you know, there's even a

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part when he kind of is like
throwing everything in her face

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once everything is revealed.
And he's like, oh, I had to

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listen to you whine and I had to
listen to your stupid keyboard

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songs.
And it's almost these things of

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she's opening up to someone.
And maybe she's finally

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expressing herself again through
music, and he's throwing that in

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her face as if those are bad
things.

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He literally said everything
that who she is is annoying.

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That's so that's so devastating.
That's so devastating.

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It's one of those things where,
I think, you know, she got

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infatuated by him, obviously,
and she was starting to fall for

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him, which everything we saw.
OK, yeah, that makes sense.

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There was a meet queue
everything.

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I think her going on that
podcast was very much like, this

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is a way for me to talk about
the doctor because I love the

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doctor and is a little obsessed,
right?

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And she's just waiting for that
adventure again.

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But to have to finally have this
other person, they, her family

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unit says, like, oh, she hasn't
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weeks.
And so she's finally being able

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to be herself.
And then she's told again that,

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no, I what whoever you are, I
don't want it.

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Yeah.
It's not worthy of my time.

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And that's all she felt with her
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It's so sad.
It's so like, can she catch a

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break?
It, it doesn't seem like it,

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right?
And it seems so unfair.

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And so, you know, I, I really
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progress and come into her own
more.

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I think that would be unfair to
us as the viewer and unfair to

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the character to kind of just
leave her squandering.

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And I, and I mean, at the end of
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some of the power, but there's
no closure for her in any of

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this.
I think she says to Kate

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something like she acknowledges
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She's like, I think I need some
time for me, like outside of the

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Doctor and outside of all of
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I don't know how long she's
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we were literally I would say 2
episodes away from like the two

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parter finale.
So good luck Ruby.

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I hope you can get some time in
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Again, I am going to harp on the
fact that I believe the Doctor

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Who universe needs good
therapists.

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UNIT needs to take some of their
money out of crazy guns and they

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would need to put it into a
mental health department.

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I think they should, yeah.
Yeah.

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Where's Rose?
Where's Rose at?

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And I didn't, you know, I was, I
was listening for Rose.

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She Kate says something like Mel
is in Sydney, which tracking

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something.
I don't know.

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But it was like they were
letting us know that Mel's still

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around.
Oh, maybe.

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So they're they are doing like a
spin off show.

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I believe it's still happening.
I haven't heard much about it,

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the land and the sea.
So I'm curious if she's going to

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be in some capacity involved
with that.

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I don't know.
We'll see.

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Maybe that's why, yeah.
They mentioned her and so kind

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of continuing in just this
little bit of the spin off

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conversation, I really feel like
they planted some interesting

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seeds here, especially like the
romance between Kate and I think

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it's Captain Abraham.
So it's.

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Like I call him Captain Arms and
Face.

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Guard Oh yeah, he's a, he's a
real hottie.

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But it was like they were really
kind of putting some plot points

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into place.
You know, we even have Shirley

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Anne Bingham come back.
So it's like, is this going to

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be our unit crew for the spin
off?

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I don't know.
I mean, I always worry about

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spin offs, right?
I think Torchwood had some

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success with being a spin off
from Doctor Who.

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I worry in this current state of
like streamers and stuff like

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that on the, I don't know,
willingness and the studios

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trusting that it will happen
because IA lot of these studios

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tend to be like, oh, in the
first 3 episodes of the first

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season, it didn't capture his
viewership.

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Now we need to pull the plug.
When in reality, I think if it's

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not like a huge like sometimes
it takes a minute for people to

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discover things and for it to
find its audience.

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I don't this is like a really
weird example, but Gilmore

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Girls, while it was really
popular when it was on, it got

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so extremely popular when it
went on Netflix.

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So I think that's a weird
example, but I just think it

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takes time for like an audience
to find something.

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Yeah, but unfortunately it's
just not how it works now.

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Right.
And Doctor?

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Who it's always now it's just
the fanbase is weird.

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Like people are always rooting
for it to end for some weird

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reason, and then people always
want it to continue.

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So I don't know, it's weird, but
I, I, I always want more Doctor

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Who.
I don't care.

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Like I could want something
where it's literally like in

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Donna's garden.
Just talking about what's

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happening in the world outside
of Doctor Who.

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This if this UNIT spin off, it
really seems like it would be

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sort of like an Agents of SHIELD
type thing, which is hard

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because I think when you're
watching Doctor Who, you're

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looking for the time travel,
you're looking for the creatures

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you're looking for this sort of
silliness every so often with

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this cast of characters that
they have here, it feels like it

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would be a very serious show.
Yeah, I feel it could be

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serious.
It could be, yeah.

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It would be very like political,
almost like a political

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thriller.
It could be supernaturally.

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You know, the way that they
dealt with the shriek in this

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episode I kind of liked because
it showed that they had a

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containment unit for all of
these different types of

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entities and creatures and stuff
like that.

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So I think it could be
interesting.

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I don't I don't know how much
legs it has that would like they

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would almost have to have
crossovers and really spill into

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each other to not make people
watch it but like why?

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Why does this have to exist?
Right, Yeah, and or, or some

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while I like Kate and Cap the
captain, I feel like we need a

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stronger, I don't know,
character at the lead.

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Then Kate.
How dare you.

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Kate is a legend.
Sorry.

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I think Kate would be No I I
agree.

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I think now her status is more
like she comes in when shit is

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bad and she's the person that
you don't want to piss off.

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And she's also that legacy
character.

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So she's definitely there.
But I agree they would have to

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almost fill it out.
Almost, but I don't.

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I like having like headquartery
type shows like that can tend to

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get a little repetitious.
So I would be very cautious of

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that.
I I think in Ruby has said

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something when she's talking to
Conrad about stuff and she's

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like, well, aliens exist.
We all know that when she's on

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the show.
So it's like, yeah, the the

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world does know aliens exist.
So it's interesting to see how

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the world kind of perceives the
Doctor Who universe.

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Well if if anyone needs it's
this spin off.

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It's Ruby, that's for sure.
I would watch it all of them.

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But so my question is, is like,
I feel like whenever I watch

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shows like this, I'm always
wondering how much this the

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general public know, right?
And it's so it's like the

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general public, they know the
doctor exists.

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And they know that unit exists.
Yes and no.

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I, I think sometimes it does get
confusing with like timelines

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and how much they do know
because we get so little of what

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they know.
But it's apparent that like it's

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not a secret to talk about these
things existing.

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I just think it's a secret of
what they can do because a big

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thing in this episode, it's
like, imagine if, like, you

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know, other people got access to
that time window or even time

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travel and stuff like that.
It would be really bad.

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So I don't think that everybody
knows about that, but they know

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that there's stuff, there's
things that exist.

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And obviously that their tax
dollars are going towards it.

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Yeah, which God, I this is the I
like having an episode like this

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in this current like political
climate is so stressful.

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It's like because Oh yeah,
before like I would I would love

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to be like this would never
happen.

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Like imagine if a government was
ran like this.

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It's literally happening right
now.

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Yeah.
So we're living through the

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apocalypse.
What did you think of Think Tank

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and all of them?
I got it.

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You know, it's so funny.
You're like think tank, what

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does it mean?
But it's just one of those like

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generally branded nonsense
things that people latch onto.

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And so I mean, it made sense,
right?

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And taking kind of the truth and
twisting it for conspiracies

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gain.
You have a charismatic, good

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looking guy at the head of it
who spews enough lies with

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enough passion and people are
going to follow it.

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Look, if Ariel could fall for
him and Ruby can fall for him,

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who's to say we can't fall for?
Him.

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He didn't even sing in this
episode.

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I didn't sing.
Yeah, I I think yeah, they they

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made sense.
They were very annoying.

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But to villainize Unit in this
episode and kind of put them as

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the bad guys was a really
interesting, I don't know, side

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to be on, even though we're
rooting for them and we know

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that they're not bad, right?
It was just interesting to see

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the world and media kind of turn
on them.

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And there's even the comment of,
you know, he's Conrad is playing

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sort of like this every man,
this almost pauper, this look

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how my life has been ruined.
And then Kate's like or, or

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someone at unit.
It's like he has 80,000 paid

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subscribers.
He's super rich, like he's lying

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about his mother.
And so it's like, you know, he's

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capitalizing on the kind of
foolishness of the general

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public.
I there's this whole thing, I

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don't know, I think there's some
people that keep getting access

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and, and things that shouldn't
get it and it's just constantly

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happening and it's very
frustrating.

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There's a this is like
completely sideways, but it goes

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along with the same point.
There's a, there's a recent

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thing coming out about the Oscar
voters, right?

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And that, oh, some of the Oscar
voters would just press play

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because they need to see that
they watched it but wouldn't

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actually watch it.
And so it's like, why are people

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like that continuing to get
access when it's like there's

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people that deserve access or
just fighting get their stuff

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seen, but these people are just
entitled to it.

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And it's kind of the same thing.
You see all these like

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thumbnails on YouTube of like
Doctor Who Woke that all the

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stuff.
And it's like, why are those

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things getting hundreds and
thousands of views?

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And people are paying them for
this even though they're just

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hate watching it?
It's like, turn the channel on

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them, silence that noise.
Like we need to just like, stop

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00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,160
it.
Yeah, I, I, I don't understand

451
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,600
it either.
And it's, I don't know it.

452
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,120
It's something to be said of
like the squeaky gear gets the

453
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,160
oil.
Someone yelling just foolishness

454
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,720
as loudly as possible seems to
get more love and more views

455
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,200
than people you know having an
intelligent conversation about a

456
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,960
property.
I mean, it's not even that it's

457
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,520
Yeah, I mean, listen to us, not
them.

458
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,440
Yeah, it's sorry.
That was like a weird soap boxy

459
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,400
moment.
But I think this episode plays

460
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,520
into that, right?
It plays into the just how much

461
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,200
people can get influenced just
to jump on a bandwagon, which is

462
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,280
stupid.
They they all know they're

463
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,080
lying.
So let's talk about the ending

464
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,240
here.
I did think it was a cool detail

465
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:13,680
that Remember when the doctor
first meets Belinda and he's

466
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,600
like, oh, your name is Melinda?
I was told, like I was told

467
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,560
about you already.
We find out that that's Conrad.

468
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,680
Conrad is the one that kind of
dropped to that hand.

469
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,160
But so like the final showdown
in UNIT, which I thought was

470
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,560
quite crazy because Kate almost
went too far.

471
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,320
Like she was, I don't know how
far she was going to let that go

472
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,800
because she didn't give Ruby the
thing to shock the shriek.

473
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,360
Like how far was Kate going to
let this go?

474
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,800
I wanted her to let it go all
the way.

475
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,480
No, she can't stoop to that
level though.

476
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,720
That's dangerous.
I don't know.

477
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,080
And it was live streamed.
And then they could have seen

478
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,640
that, but then they would have
said it was fake.

479
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,440
Whatever.
I know.

480
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:59,120
But you know, when there's a
character as infuriating as

481
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:03,880
Conrad, you want them to come to
their ultimate end because as we

482
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,760
see, because he didn't come to
his ultimate end, now he's able

483
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,560
to create more trouble.
And so I kind of wanted Kate.

484
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,880
I, I see how angry Kate was.
I see how frustrated she was,

485
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,680
you know, and it's that annoying
thing of like, well, when they

486
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,080
go low, we go high.
It's like, well, sometimes we

487
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,960
want to go low too.
No, Yeah.

488
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,720
I mean, I I don't even think
it's about going low.

489
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,800
I just think it's about no,
these are consequences, murder.

490
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,560
And you deserve to get eaten by
a shriek.

491
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,520
Yeah, You were given the
antidote.

492
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,800
I think you didn't take it.
Yeah.

493
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,360
Yeah.
I this whole, I think the ending

494
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:42,200
was fine, right?
I, I was worried that Kate was

495
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,160
going to go too far.
I maybe there's going to be some

496
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,880
consequences with that later on.
But what I really liked about

497
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,440
the end of this episode is after
Conrad is has his arm reattached

498
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,960
with some technology, he's in
his cell and the Doctor kind of

499
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,880
like, summons him into the
TARDIS.

500
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:02,320
I just love the idea of the
Doctor always having tabs on his

501
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,040
companions whenever they get
wronged.

502
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:06,600
So like, if somebody's really
rude to them, does he do this?

503
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,560
He's like you don't ever.
You hurt my friend.

504
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,400
Yeah, even like a nasty barista.
Yeah, he'll he'll bring them

505
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,920
into the TARDIS and give them
what for?

506
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,680
Absolutely.
But this, Oh my, I think this is

507
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:26,320
the first time we've really seen
the Anshuti like do the not dark

508
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,120
side, but the scary side of the
Doctor.

509
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:32,680
It was hinted at a little bit in
the beginning of the season, but

510
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,160
his like full on, this is a
Doctor's speech.

511
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,000
I love a Doctor's speech.
All the Doctors incarnations of

512
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,840
the Doctors have their speech
moments, and this was one of

513
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,440
them for Anshuti.
That's going to be like up

514
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,560
there.
And I think that this moment is

515
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,520
really powerful on a number of
levels, right?

516
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,640
We have this like white in cell
guy and then we have this

517
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,760
Blackbeard Dr., you know, really
standing in front of him and

518
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,680
giving him what for.
And you know, you want Conrad to

519
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,080
listen.
And I think Conrad is scared,

520
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,160
but obviously not scared enough.
No, he's not scared enough.

521
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,440
And I just the, the, some of the
things that the doctor says here

522
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,720
is just saying that like I fight
for everyday people that just

523
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,520
want to exist.
And then you come in here with

524
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,520
this noise, this relentless
noise, you're nothing.

525
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,200
You're ash in the wind, like,
just completely, like, putting

526
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,880
it in his face, like what you're
doing is not worth it.

527
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,320
And it's nothing.
And it's like, I think it's

528
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,480
like, what is he saying here?
He says something like, he's

529
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,560
like, I have all the time in the
universe and energy to spend.

530
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,520
And I was like, yes, he does.
Yeah.

531
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,280
Got him, got him, got him, got.
Him, he's so good, but then to

532
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,920
have Conrad just say I don't
accept your reality is also just

533
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,280
so frustrating on like just a
base level of like you can't

534
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,480
can't, you can't make up a
reality.

535
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,800
But that's how easy it is.
That's how easy it is.

536
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,720
You could literally show someone
in black and white, you can be

537
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,240
the living person saying I
exist, I'm real, I'm here and

538
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,560
they go, I don't believe it.
Oh.

539
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,280
My God.
Welcome to our life.

540
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,720
God it's so infuriating.
But to have the doctor go as

541
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,880
like dark as like, you're going
to die in the cell at the age of

542
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,080
49 when your heart gives out in
the same exact cell, lonely,

543
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,400
unloved.
See, but us as foolish viewers,

544
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,360
we think, well, he's going to be
in that specific cell he's in,

545
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,320
but I think unfortunately he's
not going to be in that.

546
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,560
I don't.
Know he might, you never know,

547
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,680
maybe things get reversed and he
gets put back in there.

548
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,560
But having Missus Flood come to
Conrad and call herself the

549
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,560
governor, which I think that's
just, which is calling herself

550
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:56,600
then and there, but her saying
it's bigger isn't like it's

551
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:57,920
bigger.
Not bigger on the inside.

552
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,360
She says something in the
inside, it's bigger.

553
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,480
She says it weirdly.
But so does that mean that she's

554
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,200
been inside the TARDIS?
It's I think that it's feeling

555
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,960
more and more to me like she is
another spurned.

556
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,520
I just, I hope it's not.
The set 'cause remember, in the

557
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,240
first season, the second it
landed, she knew exactly what it

558
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,440
was and she told Ruby to go for
it.

559
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,800
The weird thing was is that she
didn't recognize it at 1st and

560
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,600
then when we saw her again with
it then she was like, you've

561
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,320
never seen a TARDIS Because when
she first sees it she's like oh

562
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,840
what is this?
OK, ultimate, ultimate

563
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,880
hypothesis.
That's Ruby.

564
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,360
No, no, no, no.
We've seen Ruby though, when

565
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,280
she's older, she doesn't like
anything like Missus Flood.

566
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,760
I I'm still on the side of maybe
it's his child, you know, I, I,

567
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,640
it just kind of almost makes
sense.

568
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,400
Like maybe it just took the
TARDIS being close to like

569
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,560
reignite some of those memories.
I don't know.

570
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,280
There's so many theories out
there with Missus Flood, but why

571
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:07,040
is she like gathering people
that were beaten or scorned or I

572
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,040
don't know, the doctor is
defeated, why is she gathering

573
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,680
them?
Because they got a chip on their

574
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,000
shoulders, baby.
They want to get revenge.

575
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,280
Yeah, there's a lot of hand.
And and you know what, I, I hope

576
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,840
it's something like what we're
talking about because I think I

577
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,320
would be frustrated if it was
like she's just another God

578
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,920
like, oh, I.
Think we need to be prepared for

579
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,960
that though.
Or just like she's a Time Lord,

580
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,000
you know, there's been theories
out there that she might be like

581
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,600
certain Time Lord, which I'm not
going to say if you don't want

582
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,840
to get spoiled, but I don't
know, who knows?

583
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,080
Also, could she possibly be the
master?

584
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,880
There's too many theories.
But I I really like that they're

585
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,160
going more and more with misses
Flood in the season.

586
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,000
And we obviously can see that
she can time travel in some sort

587
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,720
of way.
So is she connected to the

588
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,160
TARDIS or what?
Does she have her own TARDIS?

589
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,840
So I guess we'll see.
But man, I will say I missed

590
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,200
Ruby.
I I really did that, that scene

591
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,560
in the pub when that guy was
like, who put you in charge?

592
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,080
She's like, why don't you go get
some fresh air?

593
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:09,960
How about?
That, yeah.

594
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,680
Oh, I missed her.
And then her explaining to

595
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,000
Conrad how the shriek works and
just that whole scene of the

596
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,680
lights flickering and getting
dark.

597
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,200
So good, So so good.
I I really like this episode.

598
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,080
I missed the doctor and I missed
our story that we were on, but

599
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,120
it was a nice little pit stop.
I miss Belinda, so I'm looking

600
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,440
forward to this next episode
with more Belinda and more

601
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,200
Doctor.
I I'm curious if we're going to

602
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,960
see the rogue.
I know this is sideways, but I'm

603
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,320
just trying to see like we have
some strings that are kind of

604
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,160
hanging from their first season,
and I'm just curious if we're

605
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,520
going to get some rogue stuff or
if that's going to be like a

606
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,520
future, future thing.
But when?

607
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,720
Yeah.
When do all of our characters

608
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,680
meet?
We shall see.

609
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,800
OK, well so we have episode 5
next week.

610
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,880
Let us know what you thought of
this episode, and if you thought

611
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,880
it was the Doctor's lucky day,
it really wasn't Ruby's.

612
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,680
I think it was just Conrad's.
I think just the bad person got

613
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,520
the lucky day every time.
That's always the way it works.

614
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,520
All right, we're going to go cry
now.