The Last of Us 9: Look for the Light | HBO

0:03 Take her with you to Boston, find someone to bring her up and make sure that she's safe. I can't and I want you to give her. This, her name is Ellie. Hey, I'm Derek. And I'm know it listening to a bite of where we take our current favorite pop culture of session and enjoyed one nibble. At a time, you're doing a lot of head movement. I was trying to say it as clearly as possible. Uh-huh.

0:49 No words. Yeah, yeah, we didn't. We didn't skimp on the intro words. Yeah, sometimes I think I say it so quickly. It's just like a cacao cacao. Yeah. But I tried to slow it down. Okay. Okay. After nine weeks, we made it to the end of The Last of Us episode 9. The shortest one in the Serie. I can't. I, yeah. It was like what we have a lot to talk about, obviously of the, the series, as a whole, the ending of this chapter and then what to expect going forward to season two, what is a few to hold?

1:35 If I do pad here, what are they going to do? Is hit the rafts more drafts League. Now, let's add the only giraffe and the theory. Yeah, goodbye. All right. Better off. You know, it don't bring them back because, you know, I don't want them to die fine. Well, speaking of better off. What better off way to start your day then to make sure you're subscribing to this podcast because that's how you get all the episodes on your feeds. You got there. You got there baby? Yeah. Follow it subscribe. Whatever you want to do you like us on Facebook? Your photos on the Tweeter and to stop Derek from doing that Italian accent.

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3:01 That'd be nice please. So before we get into talking about the final episode of The Last of Us, we wanted to take a short little moment if you follow us on social media, you know that we unfortunately lost our girl Lola. Terrible few. You months since September. So and some of you have been so kind many of you actually been so kind with words with support financially and emotionally. So it's been, you know, very rough. But we very much appreciate all the very kind things that you guys have done for us. And it's been I know, it's kind of one of those things where you take a step back it's like oh people care, you know. Yeah people you all have been so wonderful and so supportive. Echoing everything that no is saying but there's one thing I really kind of have noticed, is how important pets are to folks. People understand that pets are family and when you you lose one, it is like losing a member of the family. So thank you for being so sensitive. Thank you for being patient with us throughout this entire thing. And just know that personally, I am on the brink of Tears. / Insanity at the moment, right?

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5:01 So, thank you under the episode. Let's go because this one is super bright and yeah, great. All right, so let's take the last Look Back. The Last of Us episode 8, when we are. In need. Ellie cares for Joel who lays on the brink of death, noticing, a growing infection in his wound. She sets out to look for food, Ellie. Runs into David and James from the old cult down the street. Okay, James James, bring back brings back penicillin and it is revealed that the pair actually know that Ellie's with Joel who killed one of their members, later Ellie is kidnapped and discovers that David's group is not only a cult but a cannibalistic, one at that.

5:51 Okay. Only few of them know. I'm just going to put that out there. Delicious, she manages to escape. David's electress clutches killing him and losing her innocence in the process, Joel finds her covered in blood and Comforts The traumatized Ellie. Cool. Ok. Ok. Spoiler alert for the last of us including the first part of the game and all of that. So let us officially take a bite of The Last of Us episode 9, look for the light, which is the continuation from the first episode, which was great circle moment. Yeah, there's quite a few full circle moments in this finale. I will say, just at the start of us talking about this, I want to put it out there that I do feel like this is a very much, like, Games of Thrones easy way of doing a season where the penultimate episode is like the, like, the intense whatever, like the climactic part of the Season almost, I'm not saying necessarily for emotional arcs, but that's all Game of Thrones did it.

6:59 And then the finale was more, the aftermath, and then setting it up for the next season. So I did get that feeling. Mmm, a little bit with this one even though I knew what was coming. Yeah, I agree. It was interesting, like you said, it was the shortest episode of the season and it was like things happened. But did they happen? And the way that they happen felt? Like, I don't know, there were some very intense things that were happening, but they like amped up, the music while it was happening. So you weren't, I don't know. They it was an interesting episode especially for a season finale. Let's get into. We should just like tear this apart like a like a clicker. Because the cold open was.

7:40 There you go. We got one, we got one final cold open and it was, so as a fan of this property, it meant a lot. But I also I realized I didn't want to see it. Mmm, You Know, It Go like it was one of those things where we knew that Ellie doesn't have family and that she was taken. And she was an orphan, and she was put into the federal school. That's how we know, Ellie, that's where we meet her. So, To see it is. Nice to see what her mother went through. To make sure Ellie was safe and we do get hence now of owed. This is how she's immune. Yeah, so she was, she was born that way but it was from external circumstances.

8:22 It was like she received an inoculation, she got a vaccine, right? Just give it a tiny bit of the virus everybody learned how to fight it. And that's how it happened. So her mom Anna is played by none other than the amazing. The Stellar the Fantastic. You might know her from critical role or from The Last of Us series playing as Ellie. Ashley Johnson, yes. So I know Ashley Johnson. Actually Johnson has been in the business since she's all into little kid. Yeah, a little kid, she was in growing pain. She picked, she played the new little sister that they added on she was in a show called Phenom that I really liked with Judith Light. So, it's interesting that she kind of moved from, I mean, she's in front of the camera now, but she did a lot of voice acting and she has it.

9:08 Yeah, has that voice? Ooh. Yeah. So to see her as I knew her, as a little girl and then into voice acting. And now as this full, you know, fledged adult actor. It was a cool Journey For me. Even for someone who didn't want, who didn't play the game. Yeah. I love seeing ever, since the show came out, a lot of people since it's a mainstream, now they're playing the games and they're finding the behind-the-scenes footage that has been out there for a while. And I love seeing Ashley Johnson and Troy Baker in the motion capture suits, doing the scenes. Yeah, and it's just, it's So crazy, these voice actors, you know, it's on the level of, like, I would say that Ashley Johnson her voice. Mostly sounds like this, like Ellie, but you almost don't expect that voice to come out because it is, they just sound younger.

9:52 Sure, then who she is. And so just to see The Voice coming out of it, but then to hear Ellie's voice. As she's playing, Ellie's mom. So she, she gave birth to Ellie in both ways. She literally did in the show, but she also gave her life in the game. Poetry full circle. Mmm, another false area I told you theme is full circle, holy smoke there's so many circles. Wow. But this this cold open was so it's it was intense, we knew something was going to happen but we didn't really know what happened to her mom but to see how much she fought to make sure Ellie was born safe.

10:36 Even to the last moment while in labor, killing a stalker as it's running at her, it's just bad ass. Yo, these stalkers, they're using Google Maps. They're finding all the roots, breaking into homes, going upstairs, get out of here lady. Well, so the, I think this is one of explicitly. One of the first times we've seen a stalker in the show because these are the ones that are like, sneaky will hide. And pounce on the prey. These are like I would say like juvenile infected because you have the infected which are Runners they're just violent and running. Then you got the stockers were kind of calm down a little bit and know that they have to like, wait to pounce. Mmm.

11:19 And so they usually run on all fours. And this is like the first time we really saw that and I was like, oh okay. Yep. They got it in the season. They checked all the boxes. Yeah in this very emotional moment, there has to be some sort of BuzzFeed quiz about what type of infected you. I don't want to be. Any, I'm a bloater for sure, slow-moving and strong and behind, oh my God. But this, this scene was great. I think that having the connection between Marlene and Anna was great because it gave that deeper connection to Marlene and then made the decision and the kind of just cut off.

12:01 You know, emotionally that she had in the hospital at the end of this episode, a little harder to swallow because she was there, she took Ellie from her mom, she's supposed to keep her safe, and then in the end, she's ready to give her up. Yeah, she's saved her to later. Kill her. Yeah, I, you know, you have to wonder about the the Marlene character and saying, Where where did it? Where did the switch happen? Where did it happen that she needed? She saved this child. Gave her up essentially to fedra and at some point and then knew that she had to kill her. Well, yeah, I mean, how long has she not been with her? You know, because she was in fedra school, and how long was it since Merlin wasn't with her.

12:48 So I don't know if she was able to detach a little bit. I mean to me, I guess you're right. It kind of did feel like she took the baby and dropped her. Off. Yeah, you know she was very much a, you know, infant in a basket at the doorstep sort of thing. She's a little bit Moses. But II mean in the the fact that she had to kill her childhood friend, you know, she gets infected and when Marceline finds her, she knows that she has to kill her. Even though she's begging her, she's like well he's fine L he's fine. We know that she actually got bit before she was able to cut the umbilical cord umbilical cord. I keep wanting to say in biblical cord it's not right. Umbilical cord above leaky. Yeah, but good thing, she didn't because that's what made her immune.

13:33 Hello. Yeah. One of the things that's so funny, is that I saw a lot of articles that like, finally, the last of X explains why Elly is immune. I never really needed a justification. I mean, I like being able to see it. Like I was like oh, that makes sense. But it to me it was always like she's just the chosen one for some reason. Yeah. Thing in her is just immune so it was just interesting. It's like fun. To see that people really needed to know why, I don't think. Yeah, I think I really appreciated it and it's one of the fun things about watching this show is that they can expand on some of those things. But I think I'm with you. I didn't I don't think I ever really needed to know why but it's great that they gave us that.

14:16 I feel like when I was watching this episode, a lot of this episode for me was just kind of like, oh yeah. Okay, got it. Like I felt like Almost like they were giving us this information and I was like, oh I see. And I wonder if I had an attachment to the game more, if it would have, meant more to me like seeing Anna seeing this all play out, you know, Marlene for a cat as a character for me. She was only with us for the first episode and then she disappeared. Well, that's how it really is in the game, too. You know, I've seen some people say, like, oh, Tommy really wasn't in it, you know, this character really wasn't in it and that's how it is in the game. It's really Joel, and Ellie the whole time.

14:57 And then they run into all these people. But if you look at it if you kind of step back for a second, look at these Nine episodes and see how many people they showed and like the extent of what they showed of them. It's quite a lot and I think they did a good job of introducing these characters us loving them or having some type of attachment to them. And then of course, all of them dying. Hmm, But I think that that just goes to their storytelling in the writing and the game itself though. Yeah, I it's them as Joel and Ellie which is great. I think we do need it for the first season. Hmm because it really sets up the second one. Yeah. And like you said earlier it was the last episode really had so much action and so much character development and this was just like it felt like the road to get us to that final moment. Yeah, yeah.

15:49 This the road to the hospital I think is a very interesting Thing that happens in the story because you have Ellie after the David stuff, there's been some time that's passed. They're going to Salt Lake City because that's the where they know that the fireflies are at or they hope that they're at their there and Ellie is trying to deal with what happened, you know, she's trying to process it and she's growing up very, very fast. And then you have Joel completing his emotional Arc. He's went from being losing his daughter to now, Now, gaining one and not only that, but being completely open with Ellie and flat-out, telling her everything telling her about Sarah saying, her name to Ellie and then also saying where he got the scar from, it was him trying to kill himself because of what happened with Sarah, and that's also why he's forever going to be mostly deaf on that side.

16:49 It's beautiful but then it's it's interesting because they almost Teeter, right? Exactly. If they were, it's almost If they were standing at opposite ends of the spectrum, instead of meeting in the middle, they just walked to the other end, right? They didn't they didn't meet each other in any common ground. It's he's completely open emotionally now and she's completely closed off. So it was it was almost hard to watch as, as a viewer because Ellie was the one that brought levity to the relationship and to see her completely shutdown was sad. And and the fact that Joel is now trying so hard, you know, to be like wanting her to open up and we're on the same page and we're finally here for each other and not getting that response from her. It felt like almost like a disappointment for all of us. This is defeating.

17:39 Yeah it was a little defeating he tried, though. He even he was like look I found Chef Boyardee like he thought that I would get something out of her. Oh my gosh. What was it? Like something aroni or whatever. Beefaroni Beefaroni. There you go. How Derek come on, we were in a Chef Boyardee family that's sad. I was a military brat. So, of course, we were. Yeah, we, I think I had Chef Boyardee once during Lent, the cheese ravioli because you couldn't eat meat on Fridays. So, okay, and we were just like so you really splurged and got there just like we're going to have a going to try and we were like this is really sweet. What is this? Oh sweet. The cheese one probably The best one to do. You gotta go for classic Beefaroni? Yeah, you gotta blame Joanie.

18:21 I don't know. Joanie mom. Yeah, we know you're listening. They send Eric, I can't. Oh no, he beef saying. It should probably be like, what? I gave my kids fresh pasta. What do you want? Get pizza. Love you. Mom. Love you Dad. So the the giraffe seen and this, I Hold on real quick. Let's talk about the draft. Okay before, yeah let's do it. We actually talked so tall, the meaning of this should be. Yeah, this is that's what makes it a draft. Look at that neck, both Derek and I thought it was a CGI, drafty 100% thought it was, because it just gave that fuel. And I'm sure some of it was CGI, but no, they released behind the scenes photos, and it's a real giraffe mama. She she was from the zoo baby.

19:14 She came over. Over and said, hey, they had to work for weeks to like bring these giraffes drabs. What's a group of drafts called necks? A neck of giraffes Tower is their toll? Oh, who is that? Probably, right, maybe comment below, what is a group. Hey! Hey Siri, well, I like how we use our listeners as Google that. Well, you know, we don't want to break up the flow, the episode to look stuff up. So, thank you all so much for helping us in this production. You little angel. Little Beauties. Yeah, I thought it was CGI. It's not it's kind of cool to you know think that it wasn't. I was watching it. I was going that that giraffe ain't eaten.

19:56 Nothing that ain't real. It's not. It's the leaves of real. Everything's fake. It wasn't. I was I was I was flabbergasted and blown away and excited. I also want to say that I was very excited. I don't know. I kept waiting for something horrible to happen to the giraffe because like, what were they and like a stadium of some sort. All right. Yeah, something listen. These giraffes created. A beautiful little society and this in the stadium and then we got David down the road, eating his friends, right? Hello. It's that. Well, I mean, they're like the next state over, but yeah. Whatever down down to Road, you could have tried. You tried harder. We said this in the last episode like Ellie found meat, that was not human within 30 minutes.

20:37 And how you, what? David wasn't real leader? He was a little bitch. Yeah, yeah. I think he just wanted to eat people. Hello. That's I came downstairs, sicko 66 ago, cuckoo cuckoo all right weeks ago. Let's not talk about David. I don't want to talk about him. I find Raph trick a trap but anyway, nothing bad happened to the drag know. And so to good happened mostly in Joel seeing Leb a kid. Like, he's seeing this moment of like, oh, what happened to her didn't completely break her like she's still, she's going to be able to heal just like I am and he's does that smile. He does that Pedro. Pascal smile. A band and I'm like, all he's a full dad. Now, there it was, it was very like, much a bizarre moment in the sense of like, people take their kids to the zoo all the time, right?

21:28 And so it's like this dad, taking his child to the zoo. Having this feed the giraffes experience that they probably paid extra for, but it's like, hold up backdrop, apocalypse, something horrible just happened. So it was like this really bizarre, you know? Like it was like a fighting of these themes of like something wholesome, but happening in a horrible backdrop. That's the last of us. You got it. You figured it out. Remember Bill enough Frank? Yeah yeah exactly, I do berries, I do really like in this episode to that, they added another game mechanic that is very well-known between people that play the game and it's the latter passing. He doesn't in the game where he has to put Ellie up somewhere to get the ladder to.

22:10 I mean, she threw it at him this time. But that's something that does happen to the game. I like those little things because they make sense for the show, like you wouldn't think that that would be in the game, but as the game player, it's like, oh, that's really cool that they made sure to add that because they didn't need to add the going from point A to point B. Sure, but it's just so cool. I like this little nods that they do. Yes, be feel nice and seen. I remember when I did that in the game. Yes, Yonder a decade ago. I was once a young Ellie. I will say though like that game. Oh man, if you ever want a good laugh, especially with the Last of Us in the realm of that rare, go on to tick. Tock and look up the hashtag, but look up.

22:52 Like the glitches are bugs. That happen who because Ellie is, sometimes she bugs out and it's amazing. Absolutely amazing. There's the same word. There's one that I saw were Joel and a test or talking and Ellie is a literally upside down and spinning uncontrollably and they're talking about something very Serious, and I'm like this is amazing. Breakdancing watches Mira Nair. Here she just couldn't stop and loved it. But side note, but if you want a little giggle, go ahead and I could use a Last of Us. Giggle. Yeah, please. Okay. Okay the it's out. Okay. The final big scene Of this series, it listen at the finale on the season. I should say because we know it's getting a season two, maybe three.

23:45 They take Joel and Ellie, they knock him out. First take them and Marlene, is there to welcome Joel with some fireflies? Let me know. Go on. I'm sorry, yeah, you're allowed to talk. I'm just so mad. I hate her, I hate her. I hate her. Okay, listen, I hate her. She in the beginning. Couldn't trust her Firefly. Right then. Guess what? She's like. Oh, Joel. You gotta bring her cross-country, surprise. I got there before you. Why he had some, he was literally dying. If Marlene could have taken her herself, she should have done. Did it? Well, Derek, what tell me, I will defend it only in the aspect of she had to heal and then they got sidetracked a bunch of times.

24:34 I'm just saying Marlene If you were planning on going yourself, you could have done it. Well yeah, but they had to get out. So I'm just saying. And then on top of it, she just very, you know, blase is like, yeah, well, you know, you just what? No, she's in surgery. So yeah, I mean, so the whole decision at the end, again choices is the whole thing, as well, choices. And what happens to him? There's a couple layers here that I want to talk about because I feel like they're not easy things to talk about and it's very like one way or the other. There's no good people in this show.

25:14 There's really not and except for Sam. Oh really? I mean, Sam is later the best one out of all of them. But there's also, what is morality? What does that mean in a world? That is inherently violent and you're always going to have to be that way. It's kill or be killed. So not only do they, she she doesn't give Joe the full information and she didn't expect Joel to grow an attachment to her. She didn't expect Joel to take that long to take her there. He had a car that was the plan. They knock her out in her going to put her in surgery without telling her. Not only that is she's going to die. So they did not tell her any of that they knocked him out with the thing and then that was going to be it. So very bad decision, telling Joel that, right? And then Joel has the decision of do I let them do? We literally are coming here to do or do I stop it. And in that decision Supposedly not saving Humanity. Yikes.

26:18 It's a, it's a whole bunch of stuff. Mama Humanity already done dead, they're gone. I mean, at this point. Everybody's terrible. Well, most people are. Yeah, I feel like out of the groups that we've met throughout this series together, there were a lot of large, factions of bad people. And the fact that they would expect T', Joel to I don't know, sacrifice this person that he's had such a bond with who's basically can't become his daughter for all these horrible people that they just met it just doesn't make sense to me.

27:00 You know, I see the debate, I see where the debate could be, but I was kind of like, no this makes sense, he's making the right decision right now. Yeah, I I mean it's the trolley problem. Have you seen the good because it's are taken philosophy 101 in college I did. Which we all did when you watch the good place to when it's, you know, is saving, you know, one life more than saving a few or is it's, you know, saving this many worth saving this money. It's murder regardless. But I think you bring up a good point because okay, Humanity socks, not all of them, maybe the kids, you know, like it does suck for them but this is the world. They know.

27:48 And if we just think about like the scientific side of it, I, you know, it was one of the things that bothered me in the games and it bothered me again. When I replayed this part, you have this one guy one, his name is Jerry, by the way. Good. All Jerry Jerry. And he, their plan is to. I don't know if he's like a scientist and like a neurosurgeon or both. I was pre-med. Yeah but it sounds like a pre-med experiment because he's going to destroy his one subject. That's immune to hopefully create a vaccine from her brain. Do you know?

28:33 I just think like maybe taking some spinal fluid first, or there you go putting her blood into something, like trying to do all the processes first. They went from zero to 100 immediately and I, you know, it's like I don't want to like be like this ruins. It does not ruin it for me. No say that. But no is flimsy at best. Well, you know, I guess there's something to be said about people grasping at straws, but I also think that like yeah, that's the thing is that? It's a vaccine which cool but there are like, you know, millions of infected out there, it's not going to cure the millions of infected people like yes, it'll protect you when you have Maybe come up against them.

29:18 I think that's the point. But it's like if killing Ellie meant that you can heal the millions of infected people, maybe maybe, but it's like just to protect like the cannibals. Well, that's I think that's the thing though. Like, how if you think about it logistically? And, you know us, I think today, or this week is like, the anniversary of three years since covid and the pandemic and everything. Oh, my gosh. Yes, the 13th is when It'll shut down. Yeah. So we know how crazy it was to distribute a vaccine in modern, a non mostly a post-apocalyptic times. How would Jerry and like the 15 fireflies be able to mass produce this thing and distribute it? And then not only that What what, what is the incentive, like, how, how are they going to convince these people fireflies? Exact waited as radicals?

30:19 Yeah, hey. Hey Kathleen. What's up, stranger danger? Jerry, I've got a vaccine for you, bang? Yeah, I mean, like, it would not go well, no, the like oh where'd you get it? Some dead girl's brain. Yeah, we push some brain up. We now we put it in a syringe e. We had to kill her. No, it's just like the more you think it's one of those things? It's like the more you think about it the more it just doesn't work out. That's why I mostly mad at Marlene. Yeah. Well This is your best friend's daughter. She believes in it, though. You know, there is something sad about Anna, giving Ellie to Marlene and saying, somebody give her like, protect her. Give her to somebody that's going to protect her and love her which eventually that's Joel, which is beautiful. But Marlene kind of did do that.

31:10 She fulfilled her promise to her best friend but in the end she believed her cause. Right over, what she probably. Should have questioned a little more and then not only that in the games, just a side note, you find out a lot of this backstory between like, Jerry and like, how they're coming up the vaccine and all this stuff from like recorders and notes that you find from like some of the staff. That's there. It's one guy and like he didn't write anything down. So it's like you think that like a normal scientist or even med student or doctor would be like in case I die? Because there's infected and crazy. Cannibals around.

31:52 This is what I'm thinking. Yeah, should have put it in your Palm Pilot, you dummy. It seems almost a little self-righteous. So I kind of want to question Jerry just a little bit. And I also think there's something to be said about Marlene like grasping onto this idea of maybe someday finding a cure early on in the outbreak, but not being able to see that maybe that opportunity has passed, and it's time. To focus somewhere else, 20 years? Yeah, it should be the focus should shift back into taking out the oppressors and getting Society back to something more human, right? I just don't see people wanting to I mean it's hard to get people to take vaccines now, I don't see people there where it's just a free-for-all absolutely not.

32:38 Yeah, because what is it, what is it going to do? It's like, most of them are in their little freaking Resorts, eating people anyway, that I just want to go to Jackson, Tommy. Oh my gosh, I just want to go to movie night but this so, so I mean what did you say? I comment below. Did you agree with Joel? Do you agree with Marlene? Do you agree with Jerry? Do you agree? What do you think? Like, do you think it could have worked? I do I won't believe you if you say it will but you can plead your guys I mean it would have been such an interesting turn for the character of Joel to finally have had this full circle moment and in the end be like yeah that makes sense.

33:23 They should have knocked him out more. They should have put a sedative in here. That's the thing that I mean I guess I guess the thing is like you had said before is that she's not aware of the bond that they've created. But I think on some like on some level she must have Have really seen Joel as an animal. Yeah, right knows who he is, right? And knows if his past and so he, you know, she probably just thought he would always see her as cargo, but he has Humanity, which is one of the most beautiful arcs of this entire season. Is that Joel is human is capable again letting down those walls and loving? Yeah, you know, and it's just, it's the last of us thing where he's finally opening up and he As a daughter back and we're has a new daughter and he feels like everything's going to be okay.

34:11 Is like I did it. I'm going to say in a get her there. Yeah and then it's taken away and I don't in this world. I feel comfortable saying, I don't blame him for what he did in a more now world and real life. I don't think I could agree with him for killing that many people. They are all complicit and killing this girl. She's a child. She's 14 and they're all complicit in doing that. The intentions are good. But again, Charlie problem. The more you think about it, the more it just doesn't make sense. It's all bad in The Last of Us world, it is a kill-or-be-killed world. So he didn't have a choice. That's how he had to do it.

34:53 Yeah and I love the the decision to have Joel or Pedro. When he's killing all the fireflies to get to La he just seems so, disconnected attacked. Yeah, he just disassociated himself from doing this because he knows he can, but he knows that what he's doing. He kind of moved ask that but he has to go back to get his future. Well, here's the thing again right here. He is again. Dealing with losing his daughter. Yeah. And what is he going to do to make sure that doesn't happen, exactly. Can't fell it fell again. He's told us this episode's, we knew this was coming.

35:37 He was going to do it at all kinds. This is what he wishes he could have done for Sarah. Yeah. And so now it's like it's like all those past emotions that past experience he goes into like some sort of I don't know pre-programmed mode where he just dis Associates and knows he just has to plow through all these people to get her. Yeah I mean it's a harrowing I love that word scene. And because it's so uncomfortable but you're also like kind of rooting for him but also kind of like Joel. Like this is a lot because he just doesn't, there's nothing there. He finally gets to the operating room and I like the shots that they did leading up to it. It was the music was a little muted. It was kind of fuzzy and some areas so it's very much showing or kind of giving us that tunnel vision. He's got blinders on yeah.

36:30 Then he It's their kills the doctor which is up a scalpel. He's like, I'm not gonna let you take her. Well, he doesn't have gotten go bro. Not at least the bone saw. Like I mean something that I would say don't even? Yeah, just leave. Yeah. Glen take her. Yeah, take a right. But Joel kills the other people. The other nurses everything. So I think he was just on autopilot at that, at that moment, but a little Easter egg and you find this out. If you watch the inside the episode or saw any of The Last of Us, postings online, but Laura Bailey who plays Abby and the second game, big character equal parts story as Ellie, the voice actor.

37:15 Laura Bailey is the nurse, that's in there. So that's pretty cool. I like that, they're just still adding people. They're like you go, here you go. So we know she's not going to be a, be sure. Very true. Like in season it's wild to think with the voice actors right there. Like, oh, you sound Like this character but then when a time it's like casting them in a live action show you, you don't look like the carrots. Like you know what, you're not that care. Know what how confusing? Yeah. Yeah. But he gets a lie and he is leaving but not before. He takes one more life and it's Marlene this. This parking garage scene is hard. I think it's hard because she's begging him one more time to like, realize what he's doing and She's trying to again. It's is our the fireflies, good.

38:06 I don't know. I really don't know. Maybe, what is good? Yeah. In this world in some aspects, maybe they are because we see what Federer does to people, but we also see groups that overthrow ephedra. I don't know, I just know that Ellie and Joel are good together and they love each other. And that's what I want. And Marlene wants to take that away, right? She tries everything. She's like, just will forget about it. Will let you go. You killed everybody. Even the doctor that was supposed to do this, but let's just think about it. How they shot that with in the car, then showing what the choice that he did to kill. Marlene, it's just it's so upsetting and it gives me Goose Bumps thinking about it. I think for Joel, he has his pain, his past, he has done so much that people would see as evil already that doing taking these other lives and killing Marlene. Well, they're tick marks for him. You know, he doesn't have remorse because it almost feels like in the past it was more survival. This is more for love, right?

39:16 So he's willing to do whatever it takes, you know, part of me thinks that if he really thinks that why does he lie to Ellie? I think he doesn't want to disappoint her in any way. He's afraid of her judgment. Yeah, the saying he's okay with what he's done, but he doesn't think she will be. She the final scene with them on the cliff. They're back in Jackson, he had the car and was able to take him to the pool boy back to Jackson. You can tell she knows that he's lying or something's not right? He tells her that they tried it, there's other people, it's just not going to work, so your whole life's purpose, your whole. This is why you were put on this shitty planet to do. Now, you're not important.

40:13 Like what are you anymore? And she knows that's the thing about Ellie that I really like about her characters that she can tell bullshit. She knows when people aren't being fully truth, Oil and the fact that he it's almost like a parent where it's like you're lying to them to protect them because you love them. You have to wonder if if Marlene said to Ellie you have to give your life. What Ellie would have? Chosen well that right she might have said okay hmm I don't think Joe would have let her know but Ellie has the autonomy to make those decisions and I think on the other end of it, Ellie Lost everyone.

40:57 That was, she was close to the person that she loved to per her wanting to save humanity and she can't do that now. Yeah, well, she never got this. Oh, for sure is, what was the point of losing everything? Yeah, she never got the choice, right? They never gave her the choice to do that and I think that was the fucked-up thing and somebody probably should have just woken her up and asked her maybe had Joe on the room and had like a little conversation, maybe. Thinking about not destroying your only test subject, but yeah, reason reason doesn't exist in this world, we shoot first and then ask questions after apparent. A very leap before. They looked type of situation.

41:38 Yeah, the god, the, okay, the Ali says, the last word that's really said, in this, the season one is, you know, I really, I don't think that she Is okaying it like oh okay. I believe you it's a convincing herself. it's something, it does feel like something else like she just feels so much like I don't think you're telling me the truth. I think she knows she knows, but I think in order to go on what would be the point of fighting it? Hmm. So, okay. All right. Well she knows they're gone. So yeah. No.

42:19 Actually she doesn't, she doesn't know that they're all dead because he doesn't tell her that he tells her that they tried and they couldn't so, we're going back. Yeah. And I took you while you were still asleep. So yeah. Yeah. Doesn't make sense like nobody's giving this person. Any choices and any yeah she you know he gave her puzzle pieces but she knows that they don't fit. Yeah yeah. That is the point this. Really if you're questioning why this had to happen What like the shitty decisions and everything like that this is what sets up the second part. This is a huge driving force, literally the decisions in the hospital have big consequences or repercussions.

43:01 Yeah. And I'm very Excited. They've been giving little hints about what they're going to do. I don't know if we're going to get Elly story or a be story, or somebody else's story, because he said it's going to be multiple season. So yeah, I'm expecting a lot more heart-wrenching story lines, a lot more tears, a lot more, decisions of morality. I think that I hope that we get more of these moments. Of love more of these moments of finding solace in a world. That's burning around you because I think that's what felt so strong in this season.

43:43 I would hate to lose that in the second season, or they're going to give you more moments of that, just so they can take it away. Well, it seems, that's what they like to do. Is true. I will say, and I'm not sure if it's true. I thought, you know, it's Twitter. And one of the news things were saying that Craig Mazen Mazen the showrunner for the show said that. That there is possibly going to be more infected and the second part and I don't know if that's true or not. I'd be happy for that because While I think this show is nearly perfect. Could have used a little more and that's not a big deal breaker for me, I just, I just know, like, oh they could have like this finale, didn't have to be 45 minutes, it could have been a movie length and showing some of the scenes that did lead up to that.

44:34 There's a whole Subway scene. There's there's stuff like that, where? It's like, they could have, I'm not sure why they didn't do that, but I'd be happy to see more. I'm with you, I think in a, you know, He's a zombie genre. There could have been more of those types of characters. Yeah, I agree. I think that. I also think that something that's tiring is the human on human violence. Well, and deceit. And we could use more human on Infected violence, right? Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, we're beaten over the head with these very real decisions.

45:14 Give me a couple of scenes, where they're running from, you know? Heads that they have to shoot. Yeah it does feel like they really use the in fact because anytime the infected were involved in the show somebody died hmm started with test every single time so I don't know if they did it. To make the infected seem more menacing and more of a we definitely don't want to be around these and make them more of a threat. But you know, it's it is based on a video game kill hundreds of them so they travelled for a really long time and we didn't get many scenes of them running from fact. And in fact, what are we get? One in the museum outside Boston? Yeah, that was really it.

45:56 Yeah, that was cool scene. I like exactly we could have used more the clickers in the museum. I loved it. Cacao clickety-clack that cow, but overall I would say if I had I had to read it. People love ratings. So I'm going to be rating and it doesn't matter if you don't agree, because everybody has different opinions. I'm going to give it a 9 point 8. Yeah, it's like they've literally, if there was just the final episode of little longer and there was just like, for more scenes of infected 10 out of 10. Mmm. Yeah, I agree. Definitely not a perfect 10. I think the thing is for me to be giving it really High Praise of in like eight or nine out of ten.

46:37 That's a big Deal for me because I don't really love dramas like this. These sort of our long heavy heavy things but it kept me interested, they did such a good job developing the characters developing their Humanity. That there was a lot for for anyone to really enjoy and watching this. But yeah I needed some more infected but your rating Eight or nine out of ten. You can't do that eight and a half out of ten. I could say, like a 10 or a nine. This is half of my podcast and I can rate it. However, I want. Okay, Derek's rating is a 8 or 9. Thank you.

47:20 And mine is a, a solid 99. A solid nine point, eight. Yeah, I didn't say or 9.2 Brown, only round numbers. Yeah. And I'm giving you two. Okay, fine nine and a half. Nothing. Is that a round number? No, whole numbers 0. Okay? And it's either 9 or 10 9, then, but it's more 10, that doesn't count know. So maybe you might want to say 9 or 10 and I would let you do that. This is the end of the podcast, guys. Last episode, goodbye podcast among others. Yeah.

48:01 All right. Well, okay. Let us know what you thought. Yeah, I'm gonna stuff. You gave it an 8 or a 9, or 9 or 10. Emotionally and physically exhausted from this show from life in general. But it was good. It was a fun, weird Journey. Yeah. Super grateful for it. Cuz it happened. Oh, it's weird like ending covering shows because it's like that's it. That bad happened at bat. Yeah. Like so yeah. We have some other stuff coming. So look out for that.

48:41 Good for you. Good to scripting. Oh my God. We're okay. Spoiler, we're not covering Shadow and Bone season 2 there. Like we didn't even know you coverage both see that one surprise we covered show. Owen bone season 1. Oh gosh, I'm hoping for shadow and Bone season 2. It's better than Shadow and Bone season 1, right? And that's all we'll say. And of podcasts Derek gave me like a couple lion. Alright, I think that's it for us. Our episode is now longer than the finale of The Last of Us. We did it. You're welcome. We love you. We love you. All right. Bye guys. Bye. Thanks for listening to a bite of artwork and editing by our own Noah. Be sure to follow us on Instagram and Twitter at a bite of pod and on Facebook at a bite of. If you have any questions recommendations or just want to say hi, you can Contact us on a bite of pod.com, please be sure to subscribe rate and review to spread the word. See you next time, on a bite of pie, Contact us on a bite of pod.com, please be sure to subscribe rate and review to spread the word.

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