The Last of Us 9: Look for the Light | HBO

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Take her with you to Boston,
find someone to bring her up and

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make sure that she's safe.
I can't and I want you to give

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her.
This, her name is Ellie.

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Hey, I'm Derek.
And I'm know it listening to a

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bite of where we take our
current favorite pop culture of

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session and enjoyed one nibble.
At a time, you're doing a lot of

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head movement.
I was trying to say it as

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clearly as possible.
Uh-huh.

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No words.
Yeah, yeah, we didn't.

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We didn't skimp on the intro
words.

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Yeah, sometimes I think I say it
so quickly.

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It's just like a cacao cacao.
Yeah.

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But I tried to slow it down.
Okay.

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Okay.
After nine weeks, we made it to

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the end of The Last of Us
episode 9.

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The shortest one in the Serie.
I can't.

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I, yeah.
It was like what we have a lot

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to talk about, obviously of the,
the series, as a whole, the

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ending of this chapter and then
what to expect going forward to

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season two, what is a few to
hold?

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If I do pad here, what are they
going to do?

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Is hit the rafts more drafts
League.

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Now, let's add the only giraffe
and the theory.

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Yeah, goodbye.
All right.

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Better off.
You know, it don't bring them

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back because, you know, I don't
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So before we get into talking

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about the final episode of The
Last of Us, we wanted to take a

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short little moment if you
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Terrible few.
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of one of those things where you
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people care, you know.
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wonderful and so supportive.
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That is why?
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is, you know why?
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reflect on.
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month and a half with this stuff
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were covering The Last of Us.
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Like one of the most emotionally
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It's just been a mindfuck.
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Not our best decision but who
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Again.
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but we wanted to get this
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end that chapter and you know,
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because you guys gave us some
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So, thank you under the episode.
Let's go because this one is

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super bright and yeah, great.
All right, so let's take the

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last Look Back.
The Last of Us episode 8, when

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we are.
In need.

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Ellie cares for Joel who lays on
the brink of death, noticing, a

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growing infection in his wound.
She sets out to look for food,

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Ellie.
Runs into David and James from

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the old cult down the street.
Okay, James James, bring back

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brings back penicillin and it is
revealed that the pair actually

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know that Ellie's with Joel who
killed one of their members,

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later Ellie is kidnapped and
discovers that David's group is

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not only a cult but a
cannibalistic, one at that.

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Okay.
Only few of them know.

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I'm just going to put that out
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Delicious, she manages to
escape.

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David's electress clutches
killing him and losing her

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innocence in the process, Joel
finds her covered in blood and

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Comforts The traumatized Ellie.
Cool.

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Ok.
Ok.

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Spoiler alert for the last of us
including the first part of the

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game and all of that.
So let us officially take a bite

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of The Last of Us episode 9,
look for the light, which is the

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continuation from the first
episode, which was great circle

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moment.
Yeah, there's quite a few full

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circle moments in this finale.
I will say, just at the start of

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us talking about this, I want to
put it out there that I do feel

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like this is a very much, like,
Games of Thrones easy way of

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doing a season where the
penultimate episode is like the,

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like, the intense whatever, like
the climactic part of the Season

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almost, I'm not saying
necessarily for emotional arcs,

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but that's all Game of Thrones
did it.

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And then the finale was more,
the aftermath, and then setting

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it up for the next season.
So I did get that feeling.

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Mmm, a little bit with this one
even though I knew what was

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coming.
Yeah, I agree.

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It was interesting, like you
said, it was the shortest

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episode of the season and it was
like things happened.

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But did they happen?
And the way that they happen

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felt?
Like, I don't know, there were

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some very intense things that
were happening, but they like

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amped up, the music while it was
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So you weren't, I don't know.
They it was an interesting

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episode especially for a season
finale.

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Let's get into.
We should just like tear this

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apart like a like a clicker.
Because the cold open was.

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There you go.
We got one, we got one final

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cold open and it was, so as a
fan of this property, it meant a

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lot.
But I also I realized I didn't

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want to see it.
Mmm, You Know, It Go like it was

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one of those things where we
knew that Ellie doesn't have

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family and that she was taken.
And she was an orphan, and she

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was put into the federal school.
That's how we know, Ellie,

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that's where we meet her.
So, To see it is.

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Nice to see what her mother went
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To make sure Ellie was safe and
we do get hence now of owed.

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This is how she's immune.
Yeah, so she was, she was born

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that way but it was from
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It was like she received an
inoculation, she got a vaccine,

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right?
Just give it a tiny bit of the

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virus everybody learned how to
fight it.

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And that's how it happened.
So her mom Anna is played by

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none other than the amazing.
The Stellar the Fantastic.

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You might know her from critical
role or from The Last of Us

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series playing as Ellie.
Ashley Johnson, yes.

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So I know Ashley Johnson.
Actually Johnson has been in the

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business since she's all into
little kid.

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Yeah, a little kid, she was in
growing pain.

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She picked, she played the new
little sister that they added on

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she was in a show called Phenom
that I really liked with Judith

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Light.
So, it's interesting that she

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kind of moved from, I mean,
she's in front of the camera

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now, but she did a lot of voice
acting and she has it.

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Yeah, has that voice?
Ooh.

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Yeah.
So to see her as I knew her, as

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a little girl and then into
voice acting.

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And now as this full, you know,
fledged adult actor.

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It was a cool Journey For me.
Even for someone who didn't

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want, who didn't play the game.
Yeah.

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I love seeing ever, since the
show came out, a lot of people

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since it's a mainstream, now
they're playing the games and

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they're finding the
behind-the-scenes footage that

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has been out there for a while.
And I love seeing Ashley Johnson

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and Troy Baker in the motion
capture suits, doing the scenes.

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Yeah, and it's just, it's So
crazy, these voice actors, you

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know, it's on the level of,
like, I would say that Ashley

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Johnson her voice.
Mostly sounds like this, like

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Ellie, but you almost don't
expect that voice to come out

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because it is, they just sound
younger.

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Sure, then who she is.
And so just to see The Voice

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coming out of it, but then to
hear Ellie's voice.

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As she's playing, Ellie's mom.
So she, she gave birth to Ellie

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in both ways.
She literally did in the show,

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but she also gave her life in
the game.

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Poetry full circle.
Mmm, another false area I told

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you theme is full circle, holy
smoke there's so many circles.

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Wow.
But this this cold open was so

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it's it was intense, we knew
something was going to happen

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but we didn't really know what
happened to her mom but to see

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how much she fought to make sure
Ellie was born safe.

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Even to the last moment while in
labor, killing a stalker as it's

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running at her, it's just bad
ass.

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Yo, these stalkers, they're
using Google Maps.

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They're finding all the roots,
breaking into homes, going

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upstairs, get out of here lady.
Well, so the, I think this is

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one of explicitly.
One of the first times we've

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seen a stalker in the show
because these are the ones that

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are like, sneaky will hide.
And pounce on the prey.

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These are like I would say like
juvenile infected because you

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have the infected which are
Runners they're just violent and

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running.
Then you got the stockers were

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kind of calm down a little bit
and know that they have to like,

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wait to pounce.
Mmm.

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And so they usually run on all
fours.

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And this is like the first time
we really saw that and I was

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like, oh okay.
Yep.

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They got it in the season.
They checked all the boxes.

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Yeah in this very emotional
moment, there has to be some

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sort of BuzzFeed quiz about what
type of infected you.

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I don't want to be.
Any, I'm a bloater for sure,

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slow-moving and strong and
behind, oh my God.

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But this, this scene was great.
I think that having the

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connection between Marlene and
Anna was great because it gave

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that deeper connection to
Marlene and then made the

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decision and the kind of just
cut off.

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You know, emotionally that she
had in the hospital at the end

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of this episode, a little harder
to swallow because she was

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there, she took Ellie from her
mom, she's supposed to keep her

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safe, and then in the end, she's
ready to give her up.

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Yeah, she's saved her to later.
Kill her.

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Yeah, I, you know, you have to
wonder about the the Marlene

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character and saying, Where
where did it?

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Where did the switch happen?
Where did it happen that she

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needed?
She saved this child.

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Gave her up essentially to fedra
and at some point and then knew

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that she had to kill her.
Well, yeah, I mean, how long has

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she not been with her?
You know, because she was in

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fedra school, and how long was
it since Merlin wasn't with her.

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So I don't know if she was able
to detach a little bit.

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I mean to me, I guess you're
right.

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It kind of did feel like she
took the baby and dropped her.

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Off.
Yeah, you know she was very much

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a, you know, infant in a basket
at the doorstep sort of thing.

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She's a little bit Moses.
But II mean in the the fact that

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she had to kill her childhood
friend, you know, she gets

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infected and when Marceline
finds her, she knows that she

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has to kill her.
Even though she's begging her,

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she's like well he's fine L he's
fine.

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We know that she actually got
bit before she was able to cut

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the umbilical cord umbilical
cord.

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I keep wanting to say in
biblical cord it's not right.

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Umbilical cord above leaky.
Yeah, but good thing, she didn't

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because that's what made her
immune.

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Hello.
Yeah.

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One of the things that's so
funny, is that I saw a lot of

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articles that like, finally, the
last of X explains why Elly is

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immune.
I never really needed a

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justification.
I mean, I like being able to see

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it.
Like I was like oh, that makes

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sense.
But it to me it was always like

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she's just the chosen one for
some reason.

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Yeah.
Thing in her is just immune so

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it was just interesting.
It's like fun.

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To see that people really needed
to know why, I don't think.

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Yeah, I think I really
appreciated it and it's one of

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the fun things about watching
this show is that they can

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expand on some of those things.
But I think I'm with you.

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I didn't I don't think I ever
really needed to know why but

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it's great that they gave us
that.

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I feel like when I was watching
this episode, a lot of this

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episode for me was just kind of
like, oh yeah.

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Okay, got it.
Like I felt like Almost like

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they were giving us this
information and I was like, oh I

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see.
And I wonder if I had an

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attachment to the game more, if
it would have, meant more to me

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like seeing Anna seeing this all
play out, you know, Marlene for

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a cat as a character for me.
She was only with us for the

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first episode and then she
disappeared.

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Well, that's how it really is in
the game, too.

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You know, I've seen some people
say, like, oh, Tommy really

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wasn't in it, you know, this
character really wasn't in it

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and that's how it is in the
game.

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It's really Joel, and Ellie the
whole time.

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And then they run into all these
people.

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But if you look at it if you
kind of step back for a second,

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look at these Nine episodes and
see how many people they showed

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and like the extent of what they
showed of them.

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It's quite a lot and I think
they did a good job of

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introducing these characters us
loving them or having some type

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of attachment to them.
And then of course, all of them

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dying.
Hmm, But I think that that just

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goes to their storytelling in
the writing and the game itself

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though.
Yeah, I it's them as Joel and

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Ellie which is great.
I think we do need it for the

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first season.
Hmm because it really sets up

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the second one.
Yeah.

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And like you said earlier it was
the last episode really had so

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much action and so much
character development and this

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was just like it felt like the
road to get us to that final

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moment.
Yeah, yeah.

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This the road to the hospital I
think is a very interesting

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Thing that happens in the story
because you have Ellie after the

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David stuff, there's been some
time that's passed.

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They're going to Salt Lake City
because that's the where they

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know that the fireflies are at
or they hope that they're at

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their there and Ellie is trying
to deal with what happened, you

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know, she's trying to process it
and she's growing up very, very

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fast.
And then you have Joel

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completing his emotional Arc.
He's went from being losing his

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daughter to now, Now, gaining
one and not only that, but being

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completely open with Ellie and
flat-out, telling her everything

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telling her about Sarah saying,
her name to Ellie and then also

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saying where he got the scar
from, it was him trying to kill

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himself because of what happened
with Sarah, and that's also why

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he's forever going to be mostly
deaf on that side.

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It's beautiful but then it's
it's interesting because they

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almost Teeter, right?
Exactly.

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If they were, it's almost If
they were standing at opposite

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ends of the spectrum, instead of
meeting in the middle, they just

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walked to the other end, right?
They didn't they didn't meet

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each other in any common ground.
It's he's completely open

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emotionally now and she's
completely closed off.

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So it was it was almost hard to
watch as, as a viewer because

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Ellie was the one that brought
levity to the relationship and

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to see her completely shutdown
was sad.

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And and the fact that Joel is
now trying so hard, you know, to

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be like wanting her to open up
and we're on the same page and

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we're finally here for each
other and not getting that

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response from her.
It felt like almost like a

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disappointment for all of us.
This is defeating.

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Yeah it was a little defeating
he tried, though.

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He even he was like look I found
Chef Boyardee like he thought

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that I would get something out
of her.

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Oh my gosh.
What was it?

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Like something aroni or
whatever.

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Beefaroni Beefaroni.
There you go.

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How Derek come on, we were in a
Chef Boyardee family that's sad.

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I was a military brat.
So, of course, we were.

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Yeah, we, I think I had Chef
Boyardee once during Lent, the

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cheese ravioli because you
couldn't eat meat on Fridays.

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So, okay, and we were just like
so you really splurged and got

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there just like we're going to
have a going to try and we were

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like this is really sweet.
What is this?

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Oh sweet.
The cheese one probably The best

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one to do.
You gotta go for classic

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Beefaroni?
Yeah, you gotta blame Joanie.

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I don't know.
Joanie mom.

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Yeah, we know you're listening.
They send Eric, I can't.

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Oh no, he beef saying.
It should probably be like,

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what?
I gave my kids fresh pasta.

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What do you want?
Get pizza.

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Love you.
Mom.

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Love you Dad.
So the the giraffe seen and

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this, I Hold on real quick.
Let's talk about the draft.

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Okay before, yeah let's do it.
We actually talked so tall, the

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meaning of this should be.
Yeah, this is that's what makes

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it a draft.
Look at that neck, both Derek

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and I thought it was a CGI,
drafty 100% thought it was,

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because it just gave that fuel.
And I'm sure some of it was CGI,

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but no, they released behind the
scenes photos, and it's a real

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giraffe mama.
She she was from the zoo baby.

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She came over.
Over and said, hey, they had to

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work for weeks to like bring
these giraffes drabs.

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What's a group of drafts called
necks?

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A neck of giraffes Tower is
their toll?

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Oh, who is that?
Probably, right, maybe comment

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below, what is a group.
Hey!

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Hey Siri, well, I like how we
use our listeners as Google

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that.
Well, you know, we don't want to

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break up the flow, the episode
to look stuff up.

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So, thank you all so much for
helping us in this production.

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You little angel.
Little Beauties.

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Yeah, I thought it was CGI.
It's not it's kind of cool to

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you know think that it wasn't.
I was watching it.

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I was going that that giraffe
ain't eaten.

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Nothing that ain't real.
It's not.

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It's the leaves of real.
Everything's fake.

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It wasn't.
I was I was I was flabbergasted

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and blown away and excited.
I also want to say that I was

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very excited.
I don't know.

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I kept waiting for something
horrible to happen to the

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giraffe because like, what were
they and like a stadium of some

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sort.
All right.

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Yeah, something listen.
These giraffes created.

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A beautiful little society and
this in the stadium and then we

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got David down the road, eating
his friends, right?

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Hello.
It's that.

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Well, I mean, they're like the
next state over, but yeah.

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Whatever down down to Road, you
could have tried.

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You tried harder.
We said this in the last episode

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like Ellie found meat, that was
not human within 30 minutes.

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And how you, what?
David wasn't real leader?

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He was a little bitch.
Yeah, yeah.

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I think he just wanted to eat
people.

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Hello.
That's I came downstairs, sicko

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66 ago, cuckoo cuckoo all right
weeks ago.

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Let's not talk about David.
I don't want to talk about him.

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I find Raph trick a trap but
anyway, nothing bad happened to

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the drag know.
And so to good happened mostly

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in Joel seeing Leb a kid.
Like, he's seeing this moment of

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like, oh, what happened to her
didn't completely break her like

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she's still, she's going to be
able to heal just like I am and

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he's does that smile.
He does that Pedro.

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Pascal smile.
A band and I'm like, all he's a

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full dad.
Now, there it was, it was very

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like, much a bizarre moment in
the sense of like, people take

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their kids to the zoo all the
time, right?

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And so it's like this dad,
taking his child to the zoo.

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Having this feed the giraffes
experience that they probably

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paid extra for, but it's like,
hold up backdrop, apocalypse,

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something horrible just
happened.

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So it was like this really
bizarre, you know?

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Like it was like a fighting of
these themes of like something

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wholesome, but happening in a
horrible backdrop.

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That's the last of us.
You got it.

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You figured it out.
Remember Bill enough Frank?

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Yeah yeah exactly, I do berries,
I do really like in this episode

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to that, they added another game
mechanic that is very well-known

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between people that play the
game and it's the latter

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passing.
He doesn't in the game where he

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has to put Ellie up somewhere to
get the ladder to.

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I mean, she threw it at him this
time.

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But that's something that does
happen to the game.

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I like those little things
because they make sense for the

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show, like you wouldn't think
that that would be in the game,

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but as the game player, it's
like, oh, that's really cool

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that they made sure to add that
because they didn't need to add

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the going from point A to point
B.

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Sure, but it's just so cool.
I like this little nods that

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they do.
Yes, be feel nice and seen.

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I remember when I did that in
the game.

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Yes, Yonder a decade ago.
I was once a young Ellie.

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I will say though like that
game.

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Oh man, if you ever want a good
laugh, especially with the Last

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of Us in the realm of that rare,
go on to tick.

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Tock and look up the hashtag,
but look up.

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Like the glitches are bugs.
That happen who because Ellie

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is, sometimes she bugs out and
it's amazing.

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Absolutely amazing.
There's the same word.

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There's one that I saw were Joel
and a test or talking and Ellie

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is a literally upside down and
spinning uncontrollably and

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they're talking about something
very Serious, and I'm like this

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is amazing.
Breakdancing watches Mira Nair.

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Here she just couldn't stop and
loved it.

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But side note, but if you want a
little giggle, go ahead and I

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could use a Last of Us.
Giggle.

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Yeah, please.
Okay.

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Okay the it's out.
Okay.

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The final big scene Of this
series, it listen at the finale

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on the season.
I should say because we know

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it's getting a season two, maybe
three.

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They take Joel and Ellie, they
knock him out.

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First take them and Marlene, is
there to welcome Joel with some

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fireflies?
Let me know.

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Go on.
I'm sorry, yeah, you're allowed

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to talk.
I'm just so mad.

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I hate her, I hate her.
I hate her.

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Okay, listen, I hate her.
She in the beginning.

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Couldn't trust her Firefly.
Right then.

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Guess what?
She's like.

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Oh, Joel.
You gotta bring her

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cross-country, surprise.
I got there before you.

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Why he had some, he was
literally dying.

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If Marlene could have taken her
herself, she should have done.

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Did it?
Well, Derek, what tell me, I

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will defend it only in the
aspect of she had to heal and

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then they got sidetracked a
bunch of times.

450
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,700
I'm just saying Marlene If you
were planning on going yourself,

451
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,400
you could have done it.
Well yeah, but they had to get

452
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,600
out.
So I'm just saying.

453
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,200
And then on top of it, she just
very, you know, blase is like,

454
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,000
yeah, well, you know, you just
what?

455
00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:55,000
No, she's in surgery.
So yeah, I mean, so the whole

456
00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:59,500
decision at the end, again
choices is the whole thing, as

457
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:01,000
well, choices.
And what happens to him?

458
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:05,700
There's a couple layers here
that I want to talk about

459
00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:09,800
because I feel like they're not
easy things to talk about and

460
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,300
it's very like one way or the
other.

461
00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:14,400
There's no good people in this
show.

462
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,900
There's really not and except
for Sam.

463
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,900
Oh really?
I mean, Sam is later the best

464
00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:22,700
one out of all of them.
But there's also, what is

465
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:24,800
morality?
What does that mean in a world?

466
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,100
That is inherently violent and
you're always going to have to

467
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:28,600
be that way.
It's kill or be killed.

468
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,500
So not only do they, she she
doesn't give Joe the full

469
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:35,400
information and she didn't
expect Joel to grow an

470
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,200
attachment to her.
She didn't expect Joel to take

471
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,600
that long to take her there.
He had a car that was the plan.

472
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,500
They knock her out in her going
to put her in surgery without

473
00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:51,900
telling her.
Not only that is she's going to

474
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:54,400
die.
So they did not tell her any of

475
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,800
that they knocked him out with
the thing and then that was

476
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,100
going to be it.
So very bad decision, telling

477
00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:03,600
Joel that, right?
And then Joel has the decision

478
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,800
of do I let them do?
We literally are coming here to

479
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:14,200
do or do I stop it.
And in that decision Supposedly

480
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,200
not saving Humanity.
Yikes.

481
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:23,400
It's a, it's a whole bunch of
stuff.

482
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:27,400
Mama Humanity already done dead,
they're gone.

483
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,800
I mean, at this point.
Everybody's terrible.

484
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,600
Well, most people are.
Yeah, I feel like out of the

485
00:26:34,608 --> 00:26:39,000
groups that we've met throughout
this series together, there were

486
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,600
a lot of large, factions of bad
people.

487
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:50,100
And the fact that they would
expect T', Joel to I don't know,

488
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:53,500
sacrifice this person that he's
had such a bond with who's

489
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:57,100
basically can't become his
daughter for all these horrible

490
00:26:57,100 --> 00:27:00,100
people that they just met it
just doesn't make sense to me.

491
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,000
You know, I see the debate, I
see where the debate could be,

492
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,500
but I was kind of like, no this
makes sense, he's making the

493
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:11,000
right decision right now.
Yeah, I I mean it's the trolley

494
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,800
problem.
Have you seen the good because

495
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:17,100
it's are taken philosophy 101 in
college I did.

496
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,000
Which we all did when you watch
the good place to when it's, you

497
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,200
know, is saving, you know, one
life more than saving a few or

498
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,000
is it's, you know, saving this
many worth saving this money.

499
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:35,800
It's murder regardless.
But I think you bring up a good

500
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:43,400
point because okay, Humanity
socks, not all of them, maybe

501
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,800
the kids, you know, like it does
suck for them but this is the

502
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:47,800
world.
They know.

503
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:54,600
And if we just think about like
the scientific side of it, I,

504
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,000
you know, it was one of the
things that bothered me in the

505
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,700
games and it bothered me again.
When I replayed this part, you

506
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:05,900
have this one guy one, his name
is Jerry, by the way.

507
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,100
Good.
All Jerry Jerry.

508
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,800
And he, their plan is to.
I don't know if he's like a

509
00:28:12,808 --> 00:28:17,000
scientist and like a
neurosurgeon or both.

510
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,600
I was pre-med.
Yeah but it sounds like a

511
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,100
pre-med experiment because he's
going to destroy his one

512
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:28,800
subject.
That's immune to hopefully

513
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,400
create a vaccine from her brain.
Do you know?

514
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:37,100
I just think like maybe taking
some spinal fluid first, or

515
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:40,900
there you go putting her blood
into something, like trying to

516
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:45,700
do all the processes first.
They went from zero to 100

517
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:50,900
immediately and I, you know,
it's like I don't want to like

518
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:53,600
be like this ruins.
It does not ruin it for me.

519
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,400
No say that.
But no is flimsy at best.

520
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:57,900
Well, you know, I guess there's
something to be said about

521
00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:02,300
people grasping at straws, but I
also think that like yeah,

522
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:05,900
that's the thing is that?
It's a vaccine which cool but

523
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:10,300
there are like, you know,
millions of infected out there,

524
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:15,200
it's not going to cure the
millions of infected people like

525
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,600
yes, it'll protect you when you
have Maybe come up against them.

526
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:22,000
I think that's the point.
But it's like if killing Ellie

527
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,800
meant that you can heal the
millions of infected people,

528
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:32,600
maybe maybe, but it's like just
to protect like the cannibals.

529
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,400
Well, that's I think that's the
thing though.

530
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,100
Like, how if you think about it
logistically?

531
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:42,200
And, you know us, I think today,
or this week is like, the

532
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,900
anniversary of three years since
covid and the pandemic and

533
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:45,900
everything.
Oh, my gosh.

534
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:47,800
Yes, the 13th is when It'll shut
down.

535
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,900
Yeah.
So we know how crazy it was to

536
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:58,300
distribute a vaccine in modern,
a non mostly a post-apocalyptic

537
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:04,300
times.
How would Jerry and like the 15

538
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:07,900
fireflies be able to mass
produce this thing and

539
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:12,400
distribute it?
And then not only that What

540
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,500
what, what is the incentive,
like, how, how are they going to

541
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:19,300
convince these people fireflies?
Exact waited as radicals?

542
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:21,000
Yeah, hey.
Hey Kathleen.

543
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,300
What's up, stranger danger?
Jerry, I've got a vaccine for

544
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:28,000
you, bang?
Yeah, I mean, like, it would not

545
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,100
go well, no, the like oh where'd
you get it?

546
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:34,400
Some dead girl's brain.
Yeah, we push some brain up.

547
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,100
We now we put it in a syringe e.
We had to kill her.

548
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,000
No, it's just like the more you
think it's one of those things?

549
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,600
It's like the more you think
about it the more it just

550
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,600
doesn't work out.
That's why I mostly mad at

551
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,100
Marlene.
Yeah.

552
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:50,100
Well This is your best friend's
daughter.

553
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:54,500
She believes in it, though.
You know, there is something sad

554
00:30:54,500 --> 00:31:01,200
about Anna, giving Ellie to
Marlene and saying, somebody

555
00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:04,000
give her like, protect her.
Give her to somebody that's

556
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,600
going to protect her and love
her which eventually that's

557
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,600
Joel, which is beautiful.
But Marlene kind of did do that.

558
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,600
She fulfilled her promise to her
best friend but in the end she

559
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,300
believed her cause.
Right over, what she probably.

560
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,700
Should have questioned a little
more and then not only that in

561
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:25,600
the games, just a side note, you
find out a lot of this backstory

562
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,300
between like, Jerry and like,
how they're coming up the

563
00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:33,000
vaccine and all this stuff from
like recorders and notes that

564
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,700
you find from like some of the
staff.

565
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:37,900
That's there.
It's one guy and like he didn't

566
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:42,300
write anything down.
So it's like you think that like

567
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:46,700
a normal scientist or even med
student or doctor would be like

568
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:50,200
in case I die?
Because there's infected and

569
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,800
crazy.
Cannibals around.

570
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,300
This is what I'm thinking.
Yeah, should have put it in your

571
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:57,700
Palm Pilot, you dummy.
It seems almost a little

572
00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:00,300
self-righteous.
So I kind of want to question

573
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:02,800
Jerry just a little bit.
And I also think there's

574
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,000
something to be said about
Marlene like grasping onto this

575
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:13,500
idea of maybe someday finding a
cure early on in the outbreak,

576
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:17,200
but not being able to see that
maybe that opportunity has

577
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,100
passed, and it's time.
To focus somewhere else, 20

578
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:22,000
years?
Yeah, it should be the focus

579
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,400
should shift back into taking
out the oppressors and getting

580
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,200
Society back to something more
human, right?

581
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:33,200
I just don't see people wanting
to I mean it's hard to get

582
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,500
people to take vaccines now, I
don't see people there where

583
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:38,700
it's just a free-for-all
absolutely not.

584
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:40,700
Yeah, because what is it, what
is it going to do?

585
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:43,900
It's like, most of them are in
their little freaking Resorts,

586
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:47,200
eating people anyway, that I
just want to go to Jackson,

587
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,300
Tommy.
Oh my gosh, I just want to go to

588
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:54,200
movie night but this so, so I
mean what did you say?

589
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,300
I comment below.
Did you agree with Joel?

590
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:02,100
Do you agree with Marlene?
Do you agree with Jerry?

591
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:03,700
Do you agree?
What do you think?

592
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:05,800
Like, do you think it could have
worked?

593
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:10,400
I do I won't believe you if you
say it will but you can plead

594
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,000
your guys I mean it would have
been such an interesting turn

595
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,800
for the character of Joel to
finally have had this full

596
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,500
circle moment and in the end be
like yeah that makes sense.

597
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:24,700
They should have knocked him out
more.

598
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:26,200
They should have put a sedative
in here.

599
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,200
That's the thing that I mean I
guess I guess the thing is like

600
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,800
you had said before is that
she's not aware of the bond that

601
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,100
they've created.
But I think on some like on some

602
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:38,600
level she must have Have really
seen Joel as an animal.

603
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:40,900
Yeah, right knows who he is,
right?

604
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:45,100
And knows if his past and so he,
you know, she probably just

605
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:49,800
thought he would always see her
as cargo, but he has Humanity,

606
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,200
which is one of the most
beautiful arcs of this entire

607
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,500
season.
Is that Joel is human is capable

608
00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:00,200
again letting down those walls
and loving?

609
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,300
Yeah, you know, and it's just,
it's the last of us thing where

610
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:08,300
he's finally opening up and he
As a daughter back and we're has

611
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:11,699
a new daughter and he feels like
everything's going to be okay.

612
00:34:11,699 --> 00:34:14,000
Is like I did it.
I'm going to say in a get her

613
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,100
there.
Yeah and then it's taken away

614
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:21,900
and I don't in this world.
I feel comfortable saying, I

615
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:27,199
don't blame him for what he did
in a more now world and real

616
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,000
life.
I don't think I could agree with

617
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,000
him for killing that many
people.

618
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,300
They are all complicit and
killing this girl.

619
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:37,400
She's a child.
She's 14 and they're all

620
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,400
complicit in doing that.
The intentions are good.

621
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,699
But again, Charlie problem.
The more you think about it, the

622
00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:46,300
more it just doesn't make sense.
It's all bad in The Last of Us

623
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:49,900
world, it is a kill-or-be-killed
world.

624
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:53,900
So he didn't have a choice.
That's how he had to do it.

625
00:34:53,900 --> 00:35:01,200
Yeah and I love the the decision
to have Joel or Pedro.

626
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,200
When he's killing all the
fireflies to get to La he just

627
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,400
seems so, disconnected attacked.
Yeah, he just disassociated

628
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,600
himself from doing this because
he knows he can, but he knows

629
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,200
that what he's doing.
He kind of moved ask that but he

630
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,900
has to go back to get his
future.

631
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:24,000
Well, here's the thing again
right here.

632
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,800
He is again.
Dealing with losing his

633
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,700
daughter.
Yeah.

634
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,200
And what is he going to do to
make sure that doesn't happen,

635
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,500
exactly.
Can't fell it fell again.

636
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:36,500
He's told us this episode's, we
knew this was coming.

637
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,500
He was going to do it at all
kinds.

638
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:40,800
This is what he wishes he could
have done for Sarah.

639
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:44,200
Yeah.
And so now it's like it's like

640
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,400
all those past emotions that
past experience he goes into

641
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,200
like some sort of I don't know
pre-programmed mode where he

642
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,800
just dis Associates and knows he
just has to plow through all

643
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,600
these people to get her.
Yeah I mean it's a harrowing I

644
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,400
love that word scene.
And because it's so

645
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,600
uncomfortable but you're also
like kind of rooting for him but

646
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,800
also kind of like Joel.
Like this is a lot because he

647
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,600
just doesn't, there's nothing
there.

648
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,300
He finally gets to the operating
room and I like the shots that

649
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:22,500
they did leading up to it.
It was the music was a little

650
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:24,700
muted.
It was kind of fuzzy and some

651
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:28,500
areas so it's very much showing
or kind of giving us that tunnel

652
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:30,300
vision.
He's got blinders on yeah.

653
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,700
Then he It's their kills the
doctor which is up a scalpel.

654
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,300
He's like, I'm not gonna let you
take her.

655
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Well, he doesn't have gotten go
bro.

656
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,600
Not at least the bone saw.
Like I mean something that I

657
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,800
would say don't even?
Yeah, just leave.

658
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,100
Yeah.
Glen take her.

659
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:52,300
Yeah, take a right.
But Joel kills the other people.

660
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:56,000
The other nurses everything.
So I think he was just on

661
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,900
autopilot at that, at that
moment, but a little Easter egg

662
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,900
and you find this out.
If you watch the inside the

663
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,300
episode or saw any of The Last
of Us, postings online, but

664
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:11,600
Laura Bailey who plays Abby and
the second game, big character

665
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:15,500
equal parts story as Ellie, the
voice actor.

666
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:18,500
Laura Bailey is the nurse,
that's in there.

667
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:20,600
So that's pretty cool.
I like that, they're just still

668
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,400
adding people.
They're like you go, here you

669
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,200
go.
So we know she's not going to be

670
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,400
a, be sure.
Very true.

671
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,300
Like in season it's wild to
think with the voice actors

672
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:32,500
right there.
Like, oh, you sound Like this

673
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:36,300
character but then when a time
it's like casting them in a live

674
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:38,700
action show you, you don't look
like the carrots.

675
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,200
Like you know what, you're not
that care.

676
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,400
Know what how confusing?
Yeah.

677
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,700
Yeah.
But he gets a lie and he is

678
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:53,200
leaving but not before.
He takes one more life and it's

679
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,300
Marlene this.
This parking garage scene is

680
00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:58,300
hard.
I think it's hard because she's

681
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:01,300
begging him one more time to
like, realize what he's doing

682
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,100
and She's trying to again.
It's is our the fireflies, good.

683
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:09,100
I don't know.
I really don't know.

684
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:10,700
Maybe, what is good?
Yeah.

685
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:13,800
In this world in some aspects,
maybe they are because we see

686
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,600
what Federer does to people, but
we also see groups that

687
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,900
overthrow ephedra.
I don't know, I just know that

688
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,900
Ellie and Joel are good together
and they love each other.

689
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,400
And that's what I want.
And Marlene wants to take that

690
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,200
away, right?
She tries everything.

691
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,700
She's like, just will forget
about it.

692
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:32,900
Will let you go.
You killed everybody.

693
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:35,500
Even the doctor that was
supposed to do this, but let's

694
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:39,400
just think about it.
How they shot that with in the

695
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,200
car, then showing what the
choice that he did to kill.

696
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,700
Marlene, it's just it's so
upsetting and it gives me Goose

697
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:52,600
Bumps thinking about it.
I think for Joel, he has his

698
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,400
pain, his past, he has done so
much that people would see as

699
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,800
evil already that doing taking
these other lives and killing

700
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,000
Marlene.
Well, they're tick marks for

701
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,100
him.
You know, he doesn't have

702
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:13,000
remorse because it almost feels
like in the past it was more

703
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,100
survival.
This is more for love, right?

704
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:21,600
So he's willing to do whatever
it takes, you know, part of me

705
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:29,900
thinks that if he really thinks
that why does he lie to Ellie?

706
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:34,200
I think he doesn't want to
disappoint her in any way.

707
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,100
He's afraid of her judgment.
Yeah, the saying he's okay with

708
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:41,400
what he's done, but he doesn't
think she will be.

709
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:46,000
She the final scene with them on
the cliff.

710
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:49,800
They're back in Jackson, he had
the car and was able to take him

711
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,800
to the pool boy back to Jackson.
You can tell she knows that he's

712
00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:00,300
lying or something's not right?
He tells her that they tried it,

713
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:04,100
there's other people, it's just
not going to work, so your whole

714
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:09,700
life's purpose, your whole.
This is why you were put on this

715
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:13,100
shitty planet to do.
Now, you're not important.

716
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,500
Like what are you anymore?
And she knows that's the thing

717
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:18,700
about Ellie that I really like
about her characters that she

718
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:21,300
can tell bullshit.
She knows when people aren't

719
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:26,800
being fully truth, Oil and the
fact that he it's almost like a

720
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,200
parent where it's like you're
lying to them to protect them

721
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:37,100
because you love them.
You have to wonder if if Marlene

722
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:40,500
said to Ellie you have to give
your life.

723
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,500
What Ellie would have?
Chosen well that right she might

724
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:49,200
have said okay hmm I don't think
Joe would have let her know but

725
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,600
Ellie has the autonomy to make
those decisions and I think on

726
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,500
the other end of it, Ellie Lost
everyone.

727
00:40:57,500 --> 00:41:02,700
That was, she was close to the
person that she loved to per her

728
00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:06,900
wanting to save humanity and she
can't do that now.

729
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,800
Yeah, well, she never got this.
Oh, for sure is, what was the

730
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,600
point of losing everything?
Yeah, she never got the choice,

731
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,200
right?
They never gave her the choice

732
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,500
to do that and I think that was
the fucked-up thing and somebody

733
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:21,300
probably should have just woken
her up and asked her maybe had

734
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:25,400
Joe on the room and had like a
little conversation, maybe.

735
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:28,100
Thinking about not destroying
your only test subject, but

736
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,300
yeah, reason reason doesn't
exist in this world, we shoot

737
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:34,700
first and then ask questions
after apparent.

738
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:38,100
A very leap before.
They looked type of situation.

739
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:44,500
Yeah, the god, the, okay, the
Ali says, the last word that's

740
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:49,600
really said, in this, the season
one is, you know, I really, I

741
00:41:49,607 --> 00:41:53,800
don't think that she Is okaying
it like oh okay.

742
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:59,300
I believe you it's a convincing
herself. it's something, it does

743
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:04,400
feel like something else like
she just feels so much like I

744
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:06,300
don't think you're telling me
the truth.

745
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,600
I think she knows she knows, but
I think in order to go on what

746
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,200
would be the point of fighting
it?

747
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,400
Hmm.
So, okay.

748
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:17,600
All right.
Well she knows they're gone.

749
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,700
So yeah.
No.

750
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:21,500
Actually she doesn't, she
doesn't know that they're all

751
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:24,200
dead because he doesn't tell her
that he tells her that they

752
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,000
tried and they couldn't so,
we're going back.

753
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,500
Yeah.
And I took you while you were

754
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:29,900
still asleep.
So yeah.

755
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,800
Yeah.
Doesn't make sense like nobody's

756
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,500
giving this person.
Any choices and any yeah she you

757
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:39,000
know he gave her puzzle pieces
but she knows that they don't

758
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,300
fit.
Yeah yeah.

759
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,400
That is the point this.
Really if you're questioning why

760
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,500
this had to happen What like the
shitty decisions and everything

761
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:51,700
like that this is what sets up
the second part.

762
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:56,600
This is a huge driving force,
literally the decisions in the

763
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,100
hospital have big consequences
or repercussions.

764
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:04,400
Yeah.
And I'm very Excited.

765
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,300
They've been giving little hints
about what they're going to do.

766
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:12,800
I don't know if we're going to
get Elly story or a be story, or

767
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,800
somebody else's story, because
he said it's going to be

768
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:21,500
multiple season.
So yeah, I'm expecting a lot

769
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:25,800
more heart-wrenching story
lines, a lot more tears, a lot

770
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:31,500
more, decisions of morality.
I think that I hope that we get

771
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:36,600
more of these moments.
Of love more of these moments of

772
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,600
finding solace in a world.
That's burning around you

773
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,000
because I think that's what felt
so strong in this season.

774
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,800
I would hate to lose that in the
second season, or they're going

775
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,900
to give you more moments of
that, just so they can take it

776
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:50,800
away.
Well, it seems, that's what they

777
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,100
like to do.
Is true.

778
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:54,400
I will say, and I'm not sure if
it's true.

779
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,500
I thought, you know, it's
Twitter.

780
00:43:55,900 --> 00:44:00,900
And one of the news things were
saying that Craig Mazen Mazen

781
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:03,400
the showrunner for the show said
that.

782
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:07,100
That there is possibly going to
be more infected and the second

783
00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:09,500
part and I don't know if that's
true or not.

784
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:15,500
I'd be happy for that because
While I think this show is

785
00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:19,800
nearly perfect.
Could have used a little more

786
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:23,000
and that's not a big deal
breaker for me, I just, I just

787
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,000
know, like, oh they could have
like this finale, didn't have to

788
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:32,300
be 45 minutes, it could have
been a movie length and showing

789
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:34,000
some of the scenes that did lead
up to that.

790
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,700
There's a whole Subway scene.
There's there's stuff like that,

791
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:38,500
where?
It's like, they could have, I'm

792
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:43,800
not sure why they didn't do
that, but I'd be happy to see

793
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,900
more.
I'm with you, I think in a, you

794
00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:53,000
know, He's a zombie genre.
There could have been more of

795
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,800
those types of characters.
Yeah, I agree.

796
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,300
I think that.
I also think that something

797
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:02,900
that's tiring is the human on
human violence.

798
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:07,800
Well, and deceit.
And we could use more human on

799
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,700
Infected violence, right?
Yeah.

800
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:11,800
You know what I mean?
It's like, we're beaten over the

801
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,800
head with these very real
decisions.

802
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,800
Give me a couple of scenes,
where they're running from, you

803
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,300
know?
Heads that they have to shoot.

804
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,400
Yeah it does feel like they
really use the in fact because

805
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,200
anytime the infected were
involved in the show somebody

806
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,900
died hmm started with test every
single time so I don't know if

807
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:31,900
they did it.
To make the infected seem more

808
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:35,700
menacing and more of a we
definitely don't want to be

809
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:37,900
around these and make them more
of a threat.

810
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:42,500
But you know, it's it is based
on a video game kill hundreds of

811
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:47,100
them so they travelled for a
really long time and we didn't

812
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:50,400
get many scenes of them running
from fact.

813
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,300
And in fact, what are we get?
One in the museum outside

814
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:56,300
Boston?
Yeah, that was really it.

815
00:45:56,300 --> 00:45:58,400
Yeah, that was cool scene.
I like exactly we could have

816
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,600
used more the clickers in the
museum.

817
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:05,900
I loved it.
Cacao clickety-clack that cow,

818
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,000
but overall I would say if I had
I had to read it.

819
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,200
People love ratings.
So I'm going to be rating and it

820
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,900
doesn't matter if you don't
agree, because everybody has

821
00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:17,000
different opinions.
I'm going to give it a 9 point

822
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,700
8.
Yeah, it's like they've

823
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:23,200
literally, if there was just the
final episode of little longer

824
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,000
and there was just like, for
more scenes of infected 10 out

825
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,000
of 10.
Mmm.

826
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,400
Yeah, I agree.
Definitely not a perfect 10.

827
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,100
I think the thing is for me to
be giving it really High Praise

828
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:36,600
of in like eight or nine out of
ten.

829
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:41,100
That's a big Deal for me because
I don't really love dramas like

830
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:43,300
this.
These sort of our long heavy

831
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:47,500
heavy things but it kept me
interested, they did such a good

832
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:51,300
job developing the characters
developing their Humanity.

833
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,800
That there was a lot for for
anyone to really enjoy and

834
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,100
watching this.
But yeah I needed some more

835
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:02,900
infected but your rating Eight
or nine out of ten.

836
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:05,400
You can't do that eight and a
half out of ten.

837
00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:08,400
I could say, like a 10 or a
nine.

838
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:14,800
This is half of my podcast and I
can rate it.

839
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,400
However, I want.
Okay, Derek's rating is a 8 or

840
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,800
9.
Thank you.

841
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:26,100
And mine is a, a solid 99.
A solid nine point, eight.

842
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,900
Yeah, I didn't say or 9.2 Brown,
only round numbers.

843
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:32,400
Yeah.
And I'm giving you two.

844
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:36,200
Okay, fine nine and a half.
Nothing.

845
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,600
Is that a round number?
No, whole numbers 0.

846
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:43,700
Okay?
And it's either 9 or 10 9, then,

847
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:46,800
but it's more 10, that doesn't
count know.

848
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,100
So maybe you might want to say 9
or 10 and I would let you do

849
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:55,200
that.
This is the end of the podcast,

850
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,600
guys.
Last episode, goodbye podcast

851
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,100
among others.
Yeah.

852
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,000
All right.
Well, okay.

853
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,200
Let us know what you thought.
Yeah, I'm gonna stuff.

854
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,300
You gave it an 8 or a 9, or 9 or
10.

855
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,600
Emotionally and physically
exhausted from this show from

856
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,600
life in general.
But it was good.

857
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:19,800
It was a fun, weird Journey.
Yeah.

858
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,400
Super grateful for it.
Cuz it happened.

859
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,400
Oh, it's weird like ending
covering shows because it's like

860
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,900
that's it.
That bad happened at bat.

861
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,400
Yeah.
Like so yeah.

862
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,400
We have some other stuff coming.
So look out for that.

863
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,900
Good for you.
Good to scripting.

864
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,000
Oh my God.
We're okay.

865
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:49,800
Spoiler, we're not covering
Shadow and Bone season 2 there.

866
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,100
Like we didn't even know you
coverage both see that one

867
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:55,700
surprise we covered show.
Owen bone season 1.

868
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,800
Oh gosh, I'm hoping for shadow
and Bone season 2.

869
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,100
It's better than Shadow and Bone
season 1, right?

870
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:07,800
And that's all we'll say.
And of podcasts Derek gave me

871
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,200
like a couple lion.
Alright, I think that's it for

872
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,900
us.
Our episode is now longer than

873
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:15,300
the finale of The Last of Us.
We did it.

874
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:16,900
You're welcome.
We love you.

875
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:18,700
We love you.
All right.

876
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:19,300
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877
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:23,500
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